Alice took rookies, not director of the baby based conflicts for him, and he joins me again from rome initially. So thank so much for coming back on. I know youre in a bit of an equi room kind of reba abused in hotel california. Or i think people that have to read your writing as to why i have to have the lyrics of the eagles hotel, california on this device here with our industry. And chief is more into pink floyd. But you have, people really will be my actually name check is im drawing this into you so gala or of in new york, thats all in the hills or wednesdays, informal bricks, meeting bite and celebrating with zalinski. The wife has 2 separate welds now and the International Community versus the United States. And uh, as i said in the intro, arguable vessel states of the United States. So to me, but increasing maybe the United States is, is becoming isolated. I think that although europe is told, come ahead. No, its too old washington. What can i do was, i mean, it is made itself of bustle of washington, all the bite and administration. So you know, uh, it wants to keep its jobs. So they have to say the right things, but theres great divisions and much more. So in the ground level where people, i mean, the economic consequences of the sanctioning of russia. I just playing, i know, in terms of high unemployment and people cant afford food. I mean, the food prices are going up so much. There are many, many, most of the 41 percent of battalions couldnt afford us on the holidays here. Many of them are in the policy. Its is, its fairly serious so. So the stirrings of anger, im pro chest just what has happened, but of course theres no, theres no vessel for that. Theres no structure. Theres no policies that credit ready take that for because all of the main parties were co opted long, the co 5 russell says, so to send for his left send chris, right lookalikes. So, you know, i to reform of the European Union all the project or even a serious analysis of why they made so many mistakes. That by to crate, we made the mistake of sanctioning russia made a mistake because thinking that this was all going to come right in, in, in, in a few weeks made the mistake of getting involved in the proxy will with ukraine. And made a huge mistake in is pursuing this and formulating language and formulating expected outcomes that are actually going to head back like a boomerang. Them hooked them more because theyre not going to get you know, rusher isnt about to collapse either economically. Politically or culturally. In fact, its cold, stronger during those process of sanctions, and theyre trying to think europe has got a lot poor a long weekend, very much for the zip codes medias. Cents to ship where your speaking to me from the official medias. Censorship in the European Union, of course, and in britain as well. But the signs of defense in the United States. I mean, even the sold spoke of New York Times, showing the fake news that rusher inject a market with. It was, in fact, it looks like the lensky forces killing civilians in, in dont. Yes. How easy will it be . While, as you say, west in europe just sits there with many people dying this winter . How easy will it be for the United States to d . Couple from of, i suppose, west in europe and from the policy given that it has managed to do so very well, was in regards of failure in afghanistan and so on. It did manage to do the switch quite, quite easily, isnt it historically, as well . Europe is divided and it makes it much harder for, for washington to go ahead because a narrative is always be, you know, nature is united in your nature is together. Thats no longer true that are on deep positions, both at the military level and also increasing the political level about that. But that point you made about the New York Times, you know, these things dont happen by accident. I mean, the last times the list keys came to came to washington. Um, you know, this was too too much for us. Welcome in congress. And he was a hero and he was a sort of celebrity. Everyone wanted to shake his hand. This time it was a bit different. So when the, when biden spoke in the us at the general assembly, you know, there was a policy in reference to ukraine, but most of it was about reforming the world older and about the Security Council and the brakes. And how to actually change well order and yes, so was that a reference to, you know, where with ukraine, but it was born to play to plus and it was nothing and they looked so great and, and christ for them. I mean, the, the, the ukrainians were really unhappy. Lensky had a sort of angry sort of grim look on his face and the others did as well. And then, you know, the writings on the wall, poland, once youve agreed to, to meet with him. It was agreed to meet with him in the us and um, you know, when he did speak, i asked the simply, i dont know the exact numbers, but i mean, it was also easy. Yeah. I saw the reverse shots that was very interesting. And of course it lends you not addressing congress either all of these congressmen who are being enrich guarantee or these, the donors, the backs them having to enrich from the companies from this conflict. Um, you mentioned sideways. So it is quite important, these sort of signals and sign so you know that we havent shifted yet, but we are shifting in and washington is shifting um, just as your of is sort of a sort of robert crab like sort of trying to find a way for to but i mean, yes, it was quite important. The symbol, some of the, the change in the change in the tone as well. Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, as i say these things, a choreographed in washington. They dont happen by accident. This was a clear signal to zelinski. It wasnt just, you know, pull, you know, pull reception pulls the landscape. This was intended from the New York Times piece to the reception at the assembly. And also was, you know, no, no, no, no, no, congress, this time, no signing of a flag. And everyone sharing are, are in the, you know, this is the saying, i mean, look, what happened, the g 20 meeting went ahead. So lensky was not invited. The last time he was there was no, so lets keep that and even in vilnius can use or so overall, the full long cycle on the margins of the g 20 gathering to discuss nato and g 20, discussing the future of the project to crate. So the big shift and how are they going to get out of it . Well, its, its to, to exercise. Thats the relevance to vehicle. So they, they dont seem to be able to check out of the hotel or do you credit the culture. Gosh, because youre always welcome to come forgetting i, which is always difficult and its, its different. Its going to be additional for everyone. I mean, you suggest, pointed out to your or, but i mean for the United States, particularly its difficult to get uh, because they keep talking that they want to phrase with conflict and they want to just simply a see saw along the constant construct line is around i should just have been told from so then schemes though we need to learn to live with the call and say we need to learn israel is it will we have prepared for a very long time like in israel, for example, we can live like the that was that i know well thats, yeah, but thats nonsense. I mean, the quite incapable of living like that and lets see americans are prepared to finance it to the new york institute. I mean, the money is a, is all expended in front of them. And i mean, the forces of the decimate, they have almost no shells best. But the point is, youve, you know, youve handled a new, a new on me from amazon. It just doesnt work like this. I mean, you, you may have to grow for a generation, but theyve really lost so many man, maybe up to her 1000000. Dad. Its really, i mean, its tragic, more than anything else. Its really tragic. Its all these young men have been sent off to that. Thats works for good, all the takes it the general assembly. Good all thinks in washington that they be fighting right up to the last moment. The chief of defense stuff of the, of the premiums say they can probably just as i continue for 30 days, small, 3040 day small. But after that they wont be able to continue any offensive at all because theyre wrong. I mean, you, you know, you, you, you need bodies. Theres no point having weapons and tanks given to you. If you dont have bodies to drive the tanks or the whole weapons, and theyre getting to that point, which is a point really of complete spaces. I mean, almost as if, you know, or when your stung by a school can just different things, thoughts, new youre, youre just paralyzed and theyre getting very close to that. Does that mean the end of the war . Well, it depends which war were talking about in terms youll be understanding, it says, the less, if you, how to the greater to out in the sense that the less i do is the, the military war inside you. Crazy. Well, i mean, thats probably coming to an end or low. We may see another chapter because russia has been diligently preparing another chapter to it. Its used as a period of the sort of offences where ukraine without success as being by me is head against the defensive florida. Russian. Russia has been quietly doing that as being costly renting a manufacturer of shows is drones over across tank. Steven and accumulates and it looks as if a ready and been delivered from the stall, piling these weapons, and there will stop hiring that cruise. I mean, you have the headlines, worry about the blacks, the fleet being damaged, some of the big zalinski victory. Well, how did they understand that . Why was there in that field from which to launch attacks on . So thats the bull, as well as they. I mean they havent been shutting. They did destroy all of the storm shadow munitions recently, but the burner smith at the break. Yeah, no doubt the brits rushed them some more if they still go to any. But yes, i mean, yeah, visa, annoying to russia, but then ill just teach it can any way. I mean, they hit one landing cross late damage to submarine with, after sending 10 Christmas Hans and a 3 go through, out of the 1010. Did some damage, but in the, in the, in the Bigger Picture of so well, i mean, its a pin break. I mean, you know, the russians just have to bite the bottom left, but you can say, you know, its a sign x ray of someone who is desperate not assigned to someone who is in a powerful position that you get around to doing this. These are just all takes that they look great in the western press. Oh, you know, headlines and some basketball being attacked. And so, but if it doesnt really do much and they are um, taking stronger measures against it. And, you know, as it will be, the will, the moment solves the will be another launch of missiles. Were waiting to see in the winter. I think its quite evident what we have very much you said, you know, across the russians here in terms of telegram channels. And chat shows on television things. Everyone is rarely calling on the government to say, the, lets, lets just bring it to an end for us. Capitulation from can just finish it as a group called stop. You. The more from the former advisor or middle east issues, the Foreign Policy g, 5 years, one. Often this break, the the clustering solidarity which you pray, particularly in eastern europe, is being tested at the flood of cheap ukrainian green into the u. As in raged farmers. And terrified politicians facing the voters. Ukraine is behaving like a drowning man willing to take down their so called friends if they have to the welcome back to going undergrad. I am still here without us to correct former british diplomat and founder and current director of the baby based conflicts for him. Well see what we were talking. I think you were mentioning zillows me in the 1st half. I want to get onto his conflict, perhaps in case of with the nazis that ill give me a, but i was gonna mention biting since we were talking about him and he was on the loan with zalinski more to come from the impeachment of joe biden, media narrative in the United States and i dont know how well it will be reported in western europe, which is also funding this conflict of the bible by an impeachment to if it is reported daily on us television, could make a difference. Oh yes. I mean, the Democratic Party is in the isnt panic at the moment. Not just because of the that is going to be extremely damaging they expect, because its increasing the obvious to them that hes not a credible candidate, a tool. And that, you know, the larger majority of, of the democratic supporters dont want to see him as a candidate for the presidency. But theres no alternative. They havent got a, you know, sort of standing ready. But the frames are, are in some, technically. Yes, and thats why its going to by saying impel the democratic um, the d n. C, the National Council one, i seem to get away from ukraine for the rest of the election to concentrate some other issues. I mean, obviously they kind of concentrate and the ones that they say will help like abortion policy, but mostly, you know, and for them. And the other thing very warning is that the economy is coming bad and they is out as being kent from people, you know, information is going down from 93 percent. Well, if you believe this isnt the old saying, i bought a bridge to sell you. Its not done like that is the fate goes to be manufactured and the sort of massage to keep it down by trying to supply oil from the strategic cause of get the Oil Price Stock put pressure on you said the u. S. Has 20 days from this through to anybody. Thats right. First of all, theyve got less space. They have to use, they have to use the strategic use of to run the country, it would run out in 20 days. So, i mean, the, i mean theres a lot of stress on the Democratic Party and they dont really know how to do it. And, and equally, they all, you know, there are forces that the, the, the, the state to the Security State is determined to stop. Trump from ever being allowed to be president again, and yet he is far away the most popular leader in the it, were pumping the others that was sort of put on this, you know, reserves to like, if he didnt style, i mean a training miles behind the hard, hes thinking to jail him. Cool is here so well, at least to get a guilty died, then probably drills and then you go to hell. So the wild card, those kennedy whos very popular and is a sort of the sort of cross Party Support take case. I mean, so many of the trauma people support a candidate for hes going to be talking truth. I mean, he is very, a very much knowledge for the fact that heres the person who actually says it has it is. And so can sort of intersect between parties between crosses, between left and right. Its, its sort of new phenomena taking shape in the United States. The democrats are also very frightened about that. Yeah, i understand that kennedy has no uh, security detail as for vitamins decision and there was some kind of attack. So between the dempster jail and trump and that perhaps as, as a nation on a land from a family who was famous for assessing nations. I said worrying democracy over there, but yeah, back to the village, be the battle mt a because the nature, the media, the battle was, well, booting this over because as a cool in the offering and use of being writing however, there is a battle between the i suppose i call them nazis and the nationally and that, that side of the Ukrainian Government in kiev. So could that explode at any moment . Yes. Any time that can explode, because its become, you know, increasingly obvious to the military, that they thing let up, the primrose paul know theyd be sending, you know, a young man, a new law offices. I dont care who they are doing, like sending mail to that dest, unnecessarily, from the political military game. So theres increasing dissatisfaction in the military, of course, propaganda, or as pride to keeping so this contain during this period. But thats so much the case because the question keeps coming up to them. Okay. You know, you say youre going to start again next year. Why is it going to be any different next year from this year and whats gonna happen this winter . So do you have any idea about that . So the, the, the ultra nationalist are very much on the defense. And im trying to keep everything going by really, by strong law tactics more than anything else. And, you know, just try a propaganda. But i, as a tensions are enormous. And of course, the people are really because theres been less conscription where, you know, theyve had that brothers and fathers and things just sort of rounded up people and thrown in a truck to go to the front to be killed. I mean theres a lot of that, but theres no, theres no structures for popular defense. Its whole being crushed. I mean, they, it does when bmw popularizing a con, happen. So its got to be a sort of internal fight at the top level of the regime to sort this out. And you know, it may happen, and im sure the russians are watching very, very close games and much more information than we do about, you know, these tension. So know if that maturing, cause i authorized this, i mean, put it in has been very catholic. He hasnt wanted, as you know, you told me earlier. Why was that . Why was there an axial skill going still operation . And many people say, well, why of, of bridges still operation will put him as old as tried to do a process of uh, you know, not completely devastating. The concrete not leaving in like, uh, you know, uh the school district. So its like youre ok no, and so, i mean, hes always done it sort of ink or mentally. Hes always had his eye on the politics, the global politics, the brakes generally the politics trying to judge when is the right moment that the ukrainian system is completely exhausted. And then maybe to contemplate a push to give a, to put it at the end of the end of this process. I think, you know, thats probably what we may see and offensive, and i would think he would probably go on as far as a need for the new pro probably would hold that. Well, put him sort of re, sort of political tailings in the west and europe. I mean, obviously, you know, you just starting the russians, the russians may have a handle the g o u, or whatever have a handling will be in the circle. Theyre in p a but show the ca did the accurately predict the move. Finally, to save the people have done best buy boots in strips. And you know, youre being close to the Intelligence Services in britain for decades. Do you think . Not think that the british specific day as opposed i have a, some kind of idea about this uh at the moment 5, typically a rupture in case of destroying of the british war a, sort of in the british conflict games and new great of the people on the ground americans on the ground, new kids, and i mean, oh, most certainly inside and attached to the ministry. The know whats going on with that information gets up the treat to the political Decision Maker is a, is there a move in in d . I know it wasnt a great intelligence cru, vibe, a c i a then, because it was, it was quite a, it was quite obvious what was, what was happening. I mean, who to never went in to ukraine with the intention of us, of military victory. He went to just show us a show a holes to show. He was serious about negotiation. Well, that didnt happen. I didnt want to, so he had to mobilize and they have to regroup. And now they all ready. Is there any indeed for well, with the hold of nature if necessary. Theyve been preparing enormously. Theyll have at the end of the sort of reorganization allow me in about 1200000 really big. I mean, were talking serious numbers. I mean, they to come do nothing against us. Nothing. Okay. Im afraid im afraid of day. Was that obvious to some of our Pretty Amazing guests we had on this program in the run up to the s m. O beginning is the russians call it. There is another demand for those troops have been sitting on the boat for about 9 months, right . Up on the border as a t, a c. The gift was an attack on the bus as i had made, you know, they would come and then we had 4 days in the lead up to the thing. Wherever was Something Like 20 fold increase in the shelling of dung boss. And you not to be honest. And also i knew, i cant say exactly how, but i knew that the russians that got the full plans for the offensive against on the exc. And now its given to the bias also as best. So they knew it had to add to stopped in february and they knew they have to act. They have to full story a just and finally, because we have, we could be talking for hours, of course, as usual, a zalinski in the economist curtailing a. Do you grain with her on the war . And then this warning to the capitals of western europe, including where you are rome, i suppose. Theres no way of predicting other millions of ukrainian refugees in European Countries would react to the country being abandoned. If youre not with ukraine, you are with russia. What sort of threats i mean is talking about Nuclear Weapons in new data. So im going to rush here at the Un General Assembly rather bizarrely that with the on this if there is a ton in washington, what are these millions of refugees in western european capitals . Whats the threatening exactly . A look when he says the war is going on. I mean, the reality is the test united said the states just simply said no more money and no more weapons, april, a widow would em very well be at peace suggesting the sleeper cells. Oh yeah, sure. I mean, you know, theres been so much exaggeration. There may be one or 2. We sold the water one or 2 in russia. I mean, one of them killed a friend of mine diarrhea to gain. She was assassinated by a state police. So the car turned into a fumble. She was a very, very intelligent young woman and just loose assessments. Its like theres no doubt they keep track numerous. Im not sure how capable of doing it, but certainly once the money and the weapons go, it will be a game changer. They content they come. I mean the idea is that they can just go on that it can go on. So, yes, i how please walk through you because i say you can just go to ikea or an order or a new ami. Its not like stuff is, you know, and there are lots demand and then you know, even if you get some 16 year old, so 60 year old. I mean theyre on trade. They have no motivation. I think a lot of the ukrainians actually with us that theyre all in the or, or todd of the more people would love to get back to normal. Just go back to normal life to see that relative some to you know, celebrate christmas and so used to. So i dont think will be, i dont think well be in a, in a crate to turn against. Um, we are a pull. There may be one or 2. I think europe is much more worried about others. I mean, weve seen most been happening in line producer with huge influx of a young man from africa. And who, you know, i dont know what the future is in europe, but its not going to be. Its not going to be easily settled. This one, let me see, let me away. We will have to come on and told you guys about that. Of course i was just correctly. Exactly. That was a good. Thank you. Thanks to you have thats it for the show will be back on saturday with a brand new episode of going on the ground. But until then keep in touch. I will let social media if its not sense, it didnt your country and had to watch. I dont going undergoing tv on rumble. Dont com to watch. New and old episodes of going underground sees that day the the, the most affordable cuz it also the business. And you put in the dining those chairs. I know mary comes to you when you go to it is just such an upcoming thing to know. So let me provide you with best options. Sure. 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