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I mean, who wants to fish the last bit, the message i would leave to you is the importance of not giving up the importance of working together and also the importance of taking care of your corner of the ocean. The. The hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered on peter lavelle. Nato has made it clear it deems it to crane proxy war against russia as ex, essential, as such, russia to cease the conflict as ex, essential, it could not be otherwise, there will be no negotiated end to this conflict. One side will lose the smart money is not on fighting for nathan, the cross starting nato state. Im joined by my guess. Lucas gauge in brick. Hes a marine veteran, author and philosopher in salt lake city. We have david pine. He is Deputy Director of National Operations for the task force on national and Homeland Security and engine able we cross through the tone. He is a swift journalist, writer, and politician, alright. Prospect roles and effects. That means you can jump anytime you want. And i always appreciate, lets go to uh, break for us. Lucas. Uh, theres a lot of things in play. Theres a lot of moving pieces here. And the last new cycle, zalinski still determined to retake crime me. Uh, we have the uh, building this summit within nato. Gathering uh, in about 10 days time. Um and we have this prospect of a false flag being mentioned intentionally into the media. Is lot of scare mongering involved here co and one more thing the counter offensive in ukraine is not going is, is scheduled no surprise there. Whats the lay of the land, my friend, what do you see here . Go ahead. Well, i see that the russians are still doing what they are doing tactically, taking their time. Theyre not trying to put themselves in a meat grinder and ukraine is doing the exact opposite. Theyre being pressured by nato and washington to go in full force. And as you mentioned, its not working out that well, but they have to sell the story that are going well and people arent really buying it. I see more and more people question the narrative. And, you know, ukraine has been getting very desperate doing acts of terrorism stretching back since the beginning of the war from the bombing of the bridge ascending barrier davina. Now that the dam being flooded, i mean all these things, its not a sign of someone winning the war. So russians are doing the great that theyre doing very well on the battlefield there. Ive heard people say 7 to one killed death ratios with the ukrainians are losing 7 people, one russian. So its not looking. Busy for them, and i think that the russians will went out this war just how many people before the negotiations, how many lives are lost before they sit down and actually talk peace. Thats really the question. I absolutely agree, and i an on the back of that, i would suggest that everyone go to sub stack and read John Mearsheimer slay dismissive, which is a basically reflection of lucas is lots and mine. Let me go to d. N a in geneva. We keep hearing about these different scenarios about negotiations that the ukrainians couldnt we conquer a certain amount of land, cutting off the land bridge to you could cry me, theyll have a better spot at the negotiating table. But theres, theres something wrong with that assumption. What, why would russia even sit down and negotiate and table at this point . Go ahead in geneva. Yes, i dont think that the russia is, is now why do you follow up on the goose chase on that . Because for sure we have to step thats. Its exactly the existence of the site because if they go now on the goose chase from the wall anywhere we continue because of the claim he has read the accept. Or the question shines, as i said theyre already doing to uh do, do, do to may call on to the work on crap. Nothing to be done by the time. Yeah. So to rush out, its not the time to negotiate. They can negotiate under the if the recording is ready, not to be a member of may to, which is not the case. No, and no peaceful, ready to go to you. As long as im here we can spend see dr. Try shop is of the types of all there would have to jump into. Well, well thats, thats exactly the point. Im glad you mentioned that because david, this is, you know, its, its not one ukraine one. So, i mean, we can listen to whats a wednesday. The is a panhandler, he just wants money and he wants prestige. He wants a wants to pump up as he go fine or funny, and people in the west, the want to do that. But david, its not what the crane wants, its what washington wants. Okay. And what washington wants as a strategic defeat of russia. Well, russia is not going to go along with that. And you know what in between time and in the middle is ukraine being grinded into dust . David . Yeah, so true. Um, you know, the, the dirty secret, i guess, or the secret of the western media refuses to admit, is that, uh, you know, of course the russian being ukraine. Do so after being provoked by, uh, buying the nato. Uh, but uh, putting this uh uh, these terms on the table since day 2 more, i think covered that in the National Interest and my real wars of stack websites. And most recently, in september of following the next agent as a score, you probably know lost by the Russian Federation of the russia, essentially stated that it and cheap all of its nearly all of its objectives. And the remaining objectives could be obtained through a piece that goes with the and to go to the steel. And that, that offers the table since september. So russia is really been in the side. Its been trying to end the war and the world would have ended it for us. You had his way back in march, march. 31st, of course, has went out to the peace deal was signed between russia, ukraine, which is great. And then ended up completely ranking on after it was pushed to do so by the, by the ministration and prime minister, a few k worse johnson. So that would save the lives of perhaps 450000. 00 or more. A radiance of those old soldiers incidentally, is i do agree with you with lucas that you know, be bringing counter offensive. It has been going very badly with your brain suffering, the 71 casualties, and treat one overall more than russia during the war. So this, lori is going to end it, were going to do a huge peace settlement, the sooner we do into better russia, you know, the key i think is to, uh, uh, conclude, reinstall a pharmacist agreement. And the warrant gets it for one control. Yeah, well you know, i come across as im going to look is here, come across, this was the korean analogy. Is that the problem with using it in this case here is that the major powers all agreed to the, to the arm assist in, in, on the korean peninsula. I dont see, i dont, i dont see any reason world right. Well, in the world by rush, it has to compromise on anything. We had the minutes process. Okay. We already know what the negotiating position of the west is, is to lie. Lucas, and thats correct. And the screams were violated. So the russians have no reason to trust the west at all. They have to wind completely in this more and unfortunately thats gonna take more lights on the creating. And so, i mean, of course the russians are losing as well, but not as many people as the great inside. And its just a tragedy to see this and fold because it is the west pushing the ukrainians into that me credit. They dont care about your grand. Ive said it since ive comments in the beginning, this war along the guy said theyre just using his cannon fodder because they want to week and russia with sanctions in this work and everything. Its backfire. And peter, nothing has worked at his strength and brushes economy. Its a stipend or alliance with china and other countries, and to show the world that the western hedge and monique is collapsing, nobody trust america anymore. Nobody trusts nato people. Question why didnt even have nato at this point. Its only causing problems and you know, people are saying that the premium is one adjoining. They dont, they dont even have to. Busy at this point, because its already that the west is acting as if theyre already part of nato. So there are hardy putting troops in the ground mercenaries from several countries, not just ukraine fighting russia. Its every one fighting russia yet again, im so glad. Lucas brought that up because defacto ukraine is already a member of nato. But without the article 5 guaranteed, i mean the washington must be popping champagne bottles everyday. So the gradients are willing to die, but we dont have to protect them. This is amazing. And the arms about producers, theyre making tons of money. I mean, this is the, the best possible outcome because it, the us is no obligation. Other than to watch, you know, they usually ukraine grind itself into, into ashes. Its remarkable that theyve been able to get an elite and ukraine to go along with this. Maybe even more remarkable, gentleman is that youre, a goes, is being led by the nose by washington. By a guy that is comatose in the white house. Go ahead and geneva. Yeah yeah. Youre the part of the stuff nobody cares about to credit them because americans dont care about and credit and they to doesnt get to. And even who quin yang because on that doesnt care about is on citizen because those events easy way being to fight going to the last quite a need so yeah. So nobody can spend duration. They have no reason to care about good credit. Yes. Yeah. Ready to fight against the last or you know, to recall quite me. Yeah. And done by us, which rush does on reset or that the homepage that for good reasons. Because the population of duration speaking people are often boss and also crime the, our primary tools reply to the 2014 back to the russian speaking people. And as the harsh, im from the boss really a tech to by go or inquiring and go down that down there were going to 14000 people refuse in their last year. So the volunteer rush of the have to but that, thats also the reason why the russian, theyve got the new quiz because to protect the ethnic and russia speaking people the best. Dont forget it. And know, yes, later, later we probably need to do is just uh, the next the, during the next summit there were probably give a huge and even higher commitment to praying for fighting to do last my last the big g, but games mailed him a lot of things i have no doubt about that, but david, but david, they will not keep the membership. David, go ahead. The best. Absolutely correct. You know, its a, its an open secret that youve created. Well, never joined data. I mean, certainly as a faculty member, but theres never been any chance for a rated joint data for many reasons. So france and germany veto that long ago, back in 2008 until recently they helped the same position. Francis recently come around the other side of a turkey and hungry would also join germany and in between the membership at any point, even if the war was over. And it also is a requirement of nato membership that a country need to aspirant approval will not have any territory dispute on any 4 groups occupying in spiritual group. And that can only be achieved with the by and praying formally seed in all uh, territory direction control to russia. So thats the only prospect the i agree with you that for a very technical legal point of view. But i, i, i dont put it past nato breaking its own rules, but your other reasoning is actually spot on. Gentlemen, im going to jump in here. Were gonna go to a hard break. And after that hard break, well continue our discussion on natos fate. Stay with our team, the, [000 00 00;00] the, im a film director, ive written many strips during my career, but i got really curious, cutting Neural Networks collaborate with a human to make a documentary film for a new set up for much. Im not sure about this. The volume of cher comergence, this human more than shows was more lets do this. Well. No, but i would feel with exclusive internet and i still goal this like do you feel is the funds from all of the Funds Available . The loss finally, probably for you really important have literally to sort of by the way we havent introduced ourselves. I have the strangest feeling weve met somewhere before. The, the russian states never is as tight as im sort of the most sense community. Best of all sense and up the same assistance must be the one else holes. Question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin move. Yep. Mission, the state on the rush, putting s r t sports net, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube. The question, did you say a request for check the welcome x across. Ok, were all things are considered. Im peter. Lets remind you. Were discussing nato state the okay, lets go back to look is the, the thing thats making the headlines right now and i think its a intentional war. Mongering is the possibility of a false flag. Of course, the narrative is the russians for some reason will damage or bomb a Nuclear Power plant in its own possession. I cant really understand the logic of it, and its never explained in the mainstream media. But when i hear talk of that, i understand a couple of things. Nato is losing. Im not going to say ukraine, because this is natos war now. So nato is losing ok and its getting desperate. I think you probably heard of Lindsey Graham and Richard Blumenthal talking about is a Senate Resolution that if any kind of new killer action is happens at that plant, it would be a trigger. A article 5 we action by nato. Remarkably blumenthal said, this is, you know this, this is not a move out of desperation or panic. Well then why did he will use the words desperation and panic . Ok. It shows to me that they are moving up the escalation lot. Are your thoughts, lucas . Yes. Anyones going to do a false flag, its going to be nato and the ukrainians, or some other people doing it like north strain pipeline. You know, all these other things that i mentioned this as a nation of their duty during the bombing of the crimea bridge. This is all, this is a sign of someone losing a war. The russians are not doing these kinds of things are not assassinating. People are not sabotaging anything. Like i mentioned the dan before. So if theres a false flag, its been a 100 percent p. Nato and its allies, you know, and thats obvious to everyone who understands how the script is played. Its always that way, you know, the United States or its allies and say, dont cross this red line. And then suddenly its crossed by the people that theyre paying, whether it be the jihadists in syria or some other country. Its always the same set up and it works all the time. But people are starting to see that this is come on. This is, makes no sense of what with the russians through this. They wasnt just like they didnt bomb word stream to. Well, you d, i mean im glad that lucas brought it up because the scenario that we had with um, uh, the use of chemical alleged the use of a dirty bomb and syria. This is exactly the same thing that theyre trying to convince get. And its warmer and a new crane, theyre talking about it. I think its more of a ploy by the other zalinski res, seem to mobilize Public Opinion as a morgue goes on. And, and of course it is that terrified the population in that country and further afield. I dont understand why as im kind of nuclear reaction, we wouldnt the wind blow in go east and not only to the west that doesnt make any sense here. But these people have not been making sense for a very long time. Nato is nato is a very existence at stake right now. Its put all of its eggs in one basket. Yeah, you know, we have to understand that its this type of just a shot can oh, you know, and if you look as since the stopped and go to school every 2 months, you have a big event. Laptop such as a workshop. I found log stream. Got golf, go that and so on. You know, dont do pop up to shop into Country Convenience in the western countries in the fable for supporting the wal mad girls. So thats fine. But she been throwing steps of the stucco, georgia. So ill plan to follow up that can be used as such to create such a short you know, the 2 pro hawk. Oh, because your fault or fault queen. Especially neutral question. Um it is using on the wrong which is the. Ready since the beginning of discount or pricing. So in my view is not that youre pushing for that or offense, so frustrate that continues to fall off much zacko jack good can, can happen. Due to this, we have to do to cross the doctor to the narrative. Its very important for the rest of the course of the the printer from tech, to do the as good as the direct to use this information role as those to be kept in the rest. Davids read, they need to do so thought id, but such short events. Yeah, david, i mean in my introduction i talked about how this has been turned into an existential war for both sides. But there was a craving choice on the part of nato. Its never been explained to western publics what the Strategic Value is of ukraine. It hadnt been during the cold war after the cold war. And a certainly is of no some teasing value to go to europe and then and when they throw in the usual and its usually they may use platitudes. As you know, its about democracy. Well then ski cancel the election this. There are no political opposition. Parties dont exist, theres no freedom of speech, an eccentric, etc. And, but they still can be a parole. This out is it, is, it is a excess dental for the existence of democracy in the west. In general. I mean, this is this growing absurdity. David. Yeah, i mean theres, uh, i mean is it, was he put it in to the service that were just getting democracy in ukraine because there is no democracy in ukraine. You know, zaleski is active to us acetate and imprison. All political opposition. Leaders is uh, you know, how about 11 different political parties, these take it over all opposition, tv networks and have them broadcast. So you, for any problem in the 247. So theres really no democracies all the work were doing there. And theres no other way, theres no strategic interest at all. Theres no National Interest at all for us to be involved in ukraine. And in fact, i would argue theres no nationalist, theres no security interest for nato to be involved to migrate the emissions. Ukraine is kind of referral to, to nato, and its a worse generally, i mean, overall and support dispute between what rushing you prayed over uh, swap the territory about the size of a baltic nation. So this is a war that has, on only one ending russia overwhelmingly. Matches over matches the pre and in terms of military power its, its gotta be calling 11 times larger and 35 times more territory. It occupies nearly a 5th of your brain and theres no few prey and get any any but back. It is 5 times more people. 5 times more takes our to her systems and combat aircraft. So we need to recognize that the longest work it was on the created, the death and destruction you created. And the more territory that russia is likely to gain the worse and the worst piece of terms that will pull the ultimately being published upon t. Well, to say theres only one more step to take outside this false flag, which i anticipate, sorry, but i do a bit. And its the mindset of these people. But what we have to deal with here is that they will be the last straw is to, you know, allow lensky zalinski to convince nato to join the war. Thats the last ultimate step. Yeah, i, like i said, i think theyre pretty much in the were all ready. I think we all agree that there are many different quotes who now know what i mean, lucas is that, you know, they go to war with russia and then more size taken out. Been berlin then bill. And thats, thats what i mean. Thats what i mean. Yeah. Yeah, i mean look, the, i think russia, because you mentioned earlier, this is an essential threat to russia. Everything else is just made up and build. Busy up is not brand by proven, hes not going to take over the entire continental, like hitler or Something Like this. This is all propaganda and, you know, yeah, and this is, this wouldnt be the final step if nato goes too far, but i dont think putting wants to do that. He has never said he wanted to do it. No one saying, i know, saying commentator a political analyst is saying that he wouldnt do it or could even do it by the way. So, you know, that wouldnt be the final thing, but i dont see that happening. And, you know, with nato push that far, i think they, what i think the United States, one of the greatest things were good at is destroying everything, lying and stealing and cheating us. You know, so many of our agents would say, and its just a very bad situation to see this loss of life for absolutely nothing but special interest. So i just hope that this more and sooner than later i hope it ends within the next year. I would think, i dont think its gonna be another vietnam for 1015. 00 a rock or whatever the case. Lets hope thats not. I dont know if its even possible to sustain it that long at this point. But yeah, the nato will do whatever they have to do to try to defeat russia and they will fail, in my opinion. Yeah. But in the process they destroyed themselves here. And, you know, weve, weve talked about the lack of democracy in ukraine, but its damaging Civil Liberties in the west as well. I mean, people being canceled and shadow band and all of this. I mean, i mean, i was banned from twitter for quoting brock obama on about you crate. Im going to, im a conservative. Im the, i dont walk around it quoting brock obama, but when i said, well, this is what obama said about ukraine that i was taken off. Thanks to you on it. Im from you on. I am back on twitter again, but i mean again a their, their turn this into some kind of moral crusade, but it should be about security. Yes, it does. Thats very clear that it sorts of collapsed onto west on the body with this great in the war because i bought enough to know about that to a space in which the extent of this was this was mainly the collapse of the rest of that was because we cut out the piece, you know, it was for instance, the unit was created in order to make peace and you walk and now hes making cool. So thats a very big country. I did shop. Same for you, my wife know last, last week it was stored in the video about his balding come, my thoughts restful, but that made use for smoke, desponding. It draws, it draws, but this ball being books the draws the, the, the drawers, the, the, the concept of these exxons, the next unit president s and then they just have to be next us. Next you are in the, you know, quite so wednesday landscape is confident each for democracy theres not to were up in the west of media, thats the default of this address on that. Thats why or do so a narrative about the value is just like im to david 11 last question for you. How much that impact is is going to have on the 2024 election. We have about a minute left. Well, i think its, its going to be a huge impact to the 2024 election. The binary restriction is secretly trying to wind down or trying to establish the security guarantee for the pre, and that will be replaced and they dont membership. And that would only be the issue down for a negotiated piece of the problem is the, there are so far behind the power curve. Uh, they havent been negotiating with russia and all that weve been through the diplomatic temper tantrum with russia. On the republican side, the 3 leading republican president ial candidates are also for the warranty trade in trying to reestablish the come of a better relations with russia in or so Us National Security interest or so we can counter re focus on try it. We should not be involved in, you know, this is horrible. Well, i, i, well, i warned for a very long time that russia gate would bleed into policy, and this is what we get. Okay. A fantasy creating a tragedy. Thats all the time we have gentlemen want to take my guess in salt lake city, brake and in geneva. And of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here dollar fee. So you next time remember prospect rolls. 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