The largest economy by pvp in the top 5 along with russia, china, and the usa. But now in the years on the rise, what threats are facing adjoining me now from its capital. New delhi is one of indias most famous politicians and intellectuals, Indian National congress, m p, and former of the secretary general of the united nations. Doctor strategy for thank you so much for coming back on his ration. He didnt become president of the congress policy. I thought youre going to good clinch that by the time that you an extra ongoing undergrad. I should that he just bought a truck and he said it was a failure design during the space. I have been a, since you havent been the most successful news in the history of congress spots here. Elections, which i suppose is, is a kind of modest consultation. What has to pack away the, the bottom of was a lot of strong. Sure. It will happen. One day before we get to independence, i better just quickly ask you because uh the world is looking at these. Yeah. What would bidens ending . Victoria newland down to new im a a and a lot of people talking about these. Yeah. Because its a source of uranium for Nuclear Weapons when you think about 25 percent going to the u. V. R, as well to the former Indian Indian on voyage. And he just said as well as indias relations with these, eric concerned the overall relationship is not going to be damaged by that much warranty. Plastic response, then say, paris or washington talking about full scale invasion then . Yes, i think youre probably getting some of those are supposed to be right. That is a basic relationship with uh with these. Yeah. And indeed with most of it is an effort cups has tended to be free of its, of its own democratic credentials and convictions. As attended by lodge to, to avoid the kind of sort of model advising the western countries or nations of african countries. I do possibly be causing the focus on national interest. And partially because in depths, i think has realized that sometimes different standards would need to be applied in situations in which countries have to govern themselves as best they can and well, to whats best they can middle of necessarily match the standards that youd like to set the, well, well, some, some of the same revolution promising the revolutionary government as more democratic credentials than the us, the nato backs one uh, the preceded hits. So who knows who gets a go to, to be sure exactly what that is largest. Yes, i think well have to seats as they settled down. There is also, as you know, the legend demands for regularly the most of the group to be involved in the right. No sizes are coming in all that takes the direction of the government and, and how they behave would also remain to be seen. And weve seen what is a big c i a basic needs. Yeah, they put an offer 1000000000. 00. What into the into that area. So clearly this is the size of proxy war and i given its 76, he is independence and the brutal partition indian wants to fight it seems to me on this geo political stage with nuclear pockets. Time is fighting with new k, a china off the time. And this is while the global south, including the jab again of 5. So including brazil, including the south east asia. Theyre all talking about this new world. India is fighting with pockets the with china. I think you being critical with the working with the rush or i mean dont you one Russian Energy is a new india is there in the indian political class. Completely unaware of this new world order and its breaking out nbc made one clean that on on these measures. And youre saying this. I see, i think of being a little on just because lucky and bosses adversarys who have in, in, in both cases, initiates its actions that have force us in the obligation to defend ourselves. But having said that, nobody in, even though human, our investigators in these situations is content facing anything by way of a new care engaged. So were looking at what ive been struggling with the chinese minus stablish is on the frontier. The one of them was use enough for us to use 20 soldiers in one episode with the chinese. I will, buckets on the side, its not being directory consultation with the box on the armies, but rather with militants instead of re sent across from that side. So we, we had a long way short of new care conflict to thats what youre concerned about. Certainly everyone was also bringing the heads wouldnt be concerned about the prospect a new k was, but its not exactly human and notarized. Seems like it has been coming in, but what i will say, however, is that every country has a responsibility to hook up this national security. And were not exactly living in a safe neighborhood. Weve Government Insurance on both side, 2 sides of us. And we need to be a series of reality. And so to be careful. Yeah, you see even the way you said belligerence on both side sounds like the the old world give me im well, india is doing lloyd austin was there in india on june, june of this year, 5 year road map to count. Its showing the regina thing was there to hear about us a weapon. Sales to india had combat land mobility, surveillance intelligence, munitions, basically is the india or a bit likely European Union. I mean, the United States wants to fight russia through your grain, and youll find china through india. And weve seen what its done to the European Union because germany is in recession. And many people are talking about europes demise. India continues in this way. Is it actually a vassal states on the 75th . And 6th, none of us are the mc one option is dealt with. India knows that no one gets to use india to pursue any other objective of option and as interest. I dont think thats any engine governments with a lot of except we use in 76 years since independence. And i can assure you that they will be absolute, say no tolerance for playing. Anybody else has game is the rest of selling ourselves. Thats because thats Good Business for them. And of course it happens to coincide with some of that g o strategic objectives, underwear of buying those items, just because we need to not because we are willing to pay anybody else has been. The truth is that we are and invisible situations are pretty simple. Um, suppliers itself running shorter weapon rates because of its water, new crate. Oh, we have to diversify services and we go to the us content from script and is ropes. And this is not surprising. We also turn on true to other countries that used to be in the soviet orbit not might have spare parts for some of the russian ribbon. Are you still huge . We see that obviously the power of india and maybe in your constituency and carrier that will be saying you can spend the money more cleverly than that by military arms. But i should also say the Us State Department of human lab, lincolns man at the, in washington said, you know, the us regularly raises Human Rights Concerns with india. Weve done that in the past with india and well do that in the future just just for the past few weeks. This is what the United States thinks of india. Its a human rights violating country while simultaneously trying to make cash out of india by selling them uh, the general atomics of you avis 2000000000. 00. I think you just spent on that. No, to get better already shoes in india like reading the opposition policies have been raising consistently. But we dont go and asking western countries to do our work for us. We where is issues as part of our response to rule as an opposition in democracy. And we will challenge our government, but um, but i think by large its up to indians to solve their own problems. Whether in relation to human rights or anything else, i cannot make policy political approaches Foreign Policy. Visa methods are the subjects for database within the indian context, but we are, we are not particularly on either side of the political aisle welcoming, of foreign interference and these issues. Well, you being critical of moody things too close to russia and isnt the point here that joseph bar l, the you the believe good give the European Union foreign minister said your up is a god and the rest of the world is a jungle. I mean, its obvious that your ex colonial rule is those, those countries in europe because portugal was there in the india. I mean, they, they see, and heres a cash cow. Now as its economically has risen in the past decades. And while navigating this movie is trying to navigate it and your last thing, we should be close to the washington as the congress body does, under some video, simplifying my position dramatically. First of all, let me stress and reaction to that comment. Then gardens, maybe more comfortable, but john, those are more interesting. So i think im going to be where, where people find that interesting challenges facing with number one. Number 2, i did not say that in this too close to russia. I fully understand that it was possible that a person, instead of a long time, i simply said that on the ukraine measure, that india had failed, especially initially to uphold principles that it has to sort of just stood by the 7 big change, including these sovereignty of states being violent, but to see a voters of the Unit Investment in it. Visibility of use a force to Settle International disputes. So i said, since i didnt hear you say one word about that when uh, when off to the us who in care of there was shedding and killing 14000 people in east and ukraine. I didnt see you make one speech in the congress saying uh that the ukrainians were killing 14000 people in east and ukraine. Why now you re reciting to me, washington talking points will be a you are and the un isnt it . As a 2nd, general one involves a into a Member States of the united submissions violating the sovereignty of another. The other involves a government of a recognized member stage of the un attaching a portion of what is seen internationally as its own tendency. There is a difference and i think on these messages, countries like india, can you afford to surrender the principals because that surrender will and could be used against us in parts of our own country such as, for example, if me is i, i, im very consistent with my approach, so we need to stand by the principles of your role is always off hills for the last 7 decades. Its nothing against russia as a, as a friend, its against russias pacific action. Its likely people can do wrong things. This was a wrong thing and we had to point to that, but i will say that india has to fight its own battles. And india has to stand up for its own security in which every responsible in good citizen will support the government of india, whichever party they may be from. As long as they take responsible actions to progress to project national security. We wont be critical where the governments ive seen is immune, sufficiently muscular, as we find has been the case of the china border. Well, obviously russia sees that battle in europe is existential. And has a proportion of the population of the un general assembly. The majority of humanity didnt vote for the resolution condemning russia for its all patients in, in ukraine. And what you just said gives me those vision as well as the it might with the shanghai cooperation organization. The idea of a new security world. Does this really . I mean its, its more of the old world of game youre talking about india or is that while the rest of the global south or well talk about the new Security Architecture talking back babs to to band do. And then on line move with as well in the as you know, as, as in some ways been playing. Its all sides. Its chad. The su, chairing the g. 20. I activated the brakes. Uh it has, it has in many ways tried to keep all the channels of communication and a good relations of and i think thats and so where is this being a tough act to pull off which india so far managed to do well then to rely them tegan, isaac, anybody else is heading into the bridge . Somebody in south africa in the spirit, very much off, all sort of baptists of patients. There are important issues before breaks, including the possibility of its expansion, which fits into what youre talking about. The emergence of new configurations. Why are the same time it has actually reaffirmed its thrown in the g 20 during its chairmanship. So i think, i think you have to give credit to india for not presenting in a way that can less itd be tied cost on one side, all the other of what youre seeing as a global device, especially for ill stop you the more from the Indian National congress and being for the Indian External Affairs minister after this break the, the, the, [000 00 00;00] the, [000 00 00;00] the, the welcome back to going on the garden. Im still here with one of the news was famous politicians and intellectuals, Indian National congress and being shushing through joshua. You were talking about the brakes in a few days time at the, at the end of the month in south africa. I do think good. You are right to criticize breaks for platitudes, rather than action. We had role though, neil for the Goldman Sachs boss who coined the term brick on the show. And he said the economys have to be careful about how they say dispose of dollar debts in nature. Nation, you know, your opinion, data is as the rise of bricks happens, if you do, you dont want to see the acceleration of the dumping of debts and this new bricks. Well, the order of the dollar eyes ation. Well, we dont really know how thats going to go, and i think theres been some conversation about this, but nothings changing anything remotely like a formal shape. The individual government sort of taking individual actions. And i think governments are going to be guided by what they see as being their own interest makes extremely interesting issues going on in the, in the bridgestone text. Best of all, its going to be very widely attended. I gather the invitations to attend the summit. Im not just for the, the 5 meters and a 5 member countries up to 67 meters across africa, left in america, asia in the caribbean. And on top of that, the 20 degrees, including the sectors of the united nations, the jap, personally, the african union. And the president has a new developing bank holding invited. So we are looking at the much larger sources context for breaks business the. Those are going to be attending and theres going to be open discussion of something that some members have been pursuing more heavily than other than that is expensive. But adding adding new members. Now i know theres some skepticism by some theres more winning this for others. But um, in order to suggest that drugs, bricks is boys for an evolution that might indeed make it more relevant rather than less because as it shoots, certainly have had problems and organizations like to come and roast. I love the british set of bruce come to for to go that way. It has to find a certain clear relevance coming off of this. The spreadsheets. Im not sure. Im not sure on the brick fleet is would like it to be compared to the to the kweisi imperial commonwealth. But i say we, we, that is huge and thats what i reminded me of weve, weve had little on this show brazil, obviously taking a big lead to be russia massively involved in this new diesel arise ation world. China very much involved. South africa, there was a recent conference in st. Petersburg talking about the close to us between the african nations away from the i m f and will banks again and again, it isnt the i thats the india. Thats the problem here because it has problems with china. Youre talking about the fact that you should basically be condemning rush, youre over you grain, and im not sure what the, what you want to say about south africa and brazil is indian, is not a bit of a problem. Yeah. It is actually a very Good Relationship with both of us, again, brazil, and indeed there is a separate organization of the 3 of them, both himself endeavors of south africa, which is actually got some of its own developing projects going on and dates respective countries. Uh, 7 days, the smallest uh best country has both in terms of population and perhaps in terms of the size of the economy. But they were the 1st beneficiaries of expansion when bridge became breaks. And i would argue that now with a group that comes to more than 40 percent of the population and about 26 percent of the Global Economy out, there is the emergence of what everyone sees as an alternative forms for countries um, or to develop new diplomatic channels which indeed all 3 of these conditional dominant western pods. And i think the, you know, weve been seeing, and weve been hearing a lot of talk of the decline into increasing get a relevance or some would suggest of a normal Line Movement breaks. Could be the nucleus of something thats, thats the, in the sense is a successor to the non Line Movement. Another is large and as on really is on the line much about perhaps capable of more focused engagement. I would say that as long as countries like brazilian india, i have the kinds of use that have and ive seen is having the, the credit ability in the clouds that have um, uh no one is going to choose brakes or just being a cash sport to russian and chinese infants, but i really have to reason see, i think the, how all these things go, what comes out from these, the rich, somebody, i think ups. Yeah. The logo questions, question some of the i googled your ballistics are very important, but there will be discussions on trade. Theyve been discussions on a china is major leap on infrastructure developments and many of the british countries i think, i think were going to have to see some, some pretty solid progress coming off of this. So this metering including on depression of expansion because there are 20 sweep ending up positions near bricks images. And i think thats, again is something that is bound to be of some concern a to, to some members in brazil has been opened these capital, for example, of enlargement. India has been surprising that theres more welcoming and, and we know that we know that russia and china have been quite keen on seeing some new members coming in. Um china, i think is, is, is obviously the main driver for expansion of bridge. So i think theres, theres a lot of questions yet. A lot of possible trends wed love to see, i would imagine as a mobile unites brazil, i mean, lula was obviously imprisoned because of a defacto us back who he said. So in this show, we know what russia thinks of washington, we know what presented thinks of washington. We know what china thinks of washington in the google vessels dates of europe. And we know what south africa thinks you trust them, dont you . I mean, you and the congress body of india seem to trust of United States and European Union countries as a, as nations that youre going to do masses of arms deals with and attempt to side with what, why is india still exaggerating the role . That honest plays and all this is a useful element, but its by no means dominant. None of these countries is principally, for example, not so none of these countries has a principal element in the relationship of lloyd austin was there, as i said on june, a 5 year roadmap for india for you. I mean, the 0 um, from the United States coming to indian 20 way, then a 20000000000. 00. Thats right because theyre selling guessing. But we believe we needed which frankly, i would be more or more than just been civil. And we have a sense of why do you think itll work . Why do you think american arms will work because its clearly being blown to pieces in the training, but battlefront, as well as facts as your notes, some of the media say exactly the opposite. That is the russian ups that have not been over your grades advertisement for the weapons supplies. I, im not a ministry man, im going to stay away from that. But ive seen both both kinds of arguments and more, more to the printer does seem as it rushes, docs of replacing with each passing day is a while when you print, making them less and less likely to be a reliable supply of more weaponry. And most parents, i think we certainly need to diversify all sources. I want to stress that india has always tried to preserve its own sense of autonomy by maintaining good relations with all sides and to maintain the channels of communication as well as on sales, as well as trade with all sides. Um, even with china, even off to china, can 20 also just a trade relationship has actually gone up, which this may some of us. But it also points to the fact that this is an increasing range of dependent growth when it comes to trade and commerce. And no one can afford to be finicky about who wants to change with. So all of these things i have to say to wait for your refers to the us sanctions. I mean, penny, the United States and nato countries. Im not happy with india buying. I think more energy from russia than ever before in the past few days. So youll complete before the how they see it as breaking their sanctions, the, the, you on so as to be trading with russia. Yes, and i would say that as far as treatment rushes, concerned, it isnt into is national interest. But i would argue that one might be overstating all the happy. The western countries over this because, you know, russian or it goes into the mix of all of it is Important Oil which isnt refined and, and then the surplus is sold to the us and the u. K. Anyway, so really ready, countries that have sanctioned russia are indirectly benefiting from russian oil once through 5 months since youre finding in this is rose up. Do you have the fact that the, the india buying russian or stabilizers water prices because its not, it would be adding to the number of countries competing for the rest of was or is, or, or in supplies. And that would drive the price is up with the pump for consumers in america, britain and the rest of your. So youre looking at the broad picture, i think you would genuine, you have to understand that one thing is doing is not in fact uh isnt. Why wouldnt turn it around and say just it is in the interest of the west as well as of india . I was a restaurant of not. Yeah that, that isnt the regularly coverage on the us and European Television channels. What you just said, that i was not sure what i was ask you about him wrong. Com. It was on this show clearly detailed washingtons role in his own withdrawal as he saw it. He. So it is a washington capitalized to, i mean, the closest uh its, uh, india is coming to washington directory affecting uh, uh, your region and the problems on the geo political problems of face india today. No, im quite sure the industry, it ends off on the buckets on situation. We believe is this fall apart . Kasanya used to work out for months themselves. We all know that where is other countries you can say that the state has an offer in buckets on the, on the has a space and no head of government has been able to survive so far in the 76 years of existence. It means that head of government has folded the father really so in every case as in design, easy, co existence between the civilian leadership and the ministry. I think the side of the time the ministry has ruled the country director and the rest of the time is really the country in directory by controlling who gets to be prime minister. I dont think we have a dog even despises expression goes and i certainly would not have told, expect any, and in a pharmacy agency or individual or government lead us to interfere in the slightest way on. If i could stop in wrong, tom was a bus and friend of mine before he became prime minister. Im very happy to come to him as one but tough. But as an indian, all i can do is sit back and watch and see what happens. Um, well, but as, as, as the process plays itself out in a neighboring country. I think most indians want to see a staple bucket sun because instability in bucket stuff is bonded to spill over one way or the other and talk about how that stability is insured. Who, by and was looking at the helm, is really not in our hands, nor should it be an racial simply watching weight. Well, the pocket sondra additionally, always close to china, do you think land and i looted to visit info one that the United States will use india against china over taiwan. I dont think india is right still being used by anybody ever. I dont think any country is so far and 0. 70. Yes, we do said that before. But i mean if, if the American Warships with down there, which side is indeed going to be on, its just going to layoff the can watch. Its going to be involved in the indian sites with china and india as problems with china or the land border. There are no american troops in india. Youre talking about a geostrategic. If youd like just name what people in the back rows. Ill suggest broad. Im looking at the big picture where we are unfortunately engaged. Our bibles live over the chinese is on the snow. You reset them others and its on the lab. Then its got nothing to do with the american war search. Okay. And theyre american soldiers all around india. It has to be said, ive just been sort of this not, no, not in the saw there around india. If india continues to disobey the, i say that kind of rules being given to your p and countries as to what to do in terms of Foreign Policy and how to trade and who to sanction i, i dont know whether you believe biding was behind the north stream uh, bombing at do you think, and you will never come to be threatened in the, in bigger ways than just the state department in the past few days. And you are human rights allows the i didnt need to solve completion. But i will say that if it ever comes to that, we know how to take care of law search. Im not somebody who wants to buy from is going to threaten us at the moment. We are aware of the existing threats and ive identified a couple of them. And then we hope to diffuse. But we are not going to be making Foreign Policy out for fifths, nor are we going to be making it out of ours and complacency we will keep on our toes. We will certainly protect our own security interest and we will ensure that our strategic autonomy, which weve generously safe, got into 76 is, is not diagnosed by any of our Foreign Policy decisions. I think thats a offense summary. All that, both the government and the opposition would stand on this line of question dr. Treasury through abbey, india de thank you as well all day is tomorrow, the 15th of august option, but to thank you very much in advance. So thats our independence day. Thank you. Thats over the show will be back with a brand new episode on saturday, but until then you can give it to us by law. So shell meet you if its not sensitive in your country and add to our channel going on the ground tv on rumble. Dont come to watch new and old episodes of going undergrad c on set. The total is the aggressive today. Im authorized with additional strong sanctions today. Russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. A number that is constantly growing, but i think the stitch of the thing is just click on the only thing and we see more in the way we shift for banning all important show russian oil and gas is suffering the price for another country. Hope alls well. Were going to reset the phone service involved, the little joe by and imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. So theres a boomerang, the the, these years to government is open to dialogue with eco last, as it seeks to resolve a stand off with the blog and put an end to escalating pensions in the region. Also this hour the and r t crew gets exclusive access to the front lines of the guns for public, for furious bottles are under way a 1st hand report from the ground coming up in a few minutes. But this is