Id be Getting Better coming or they would have to be met you engaging in, bringing to get us that will be any idea of you uh, the country is having this change for bar google. That has to be met a lot of the do, but ation exchange between them they nearly came to arms length of war. Uh, a set of circumstances in 2019. So ive listened to the width of this initiative, and i will that the, that theyve been chinese to for that no going to be is wed be able to go forward and wed be able to go successful this various methods. Thatd be like several. Now, one of the reasons why i think the, the news of the Saudi Arabian deal astonished many is that we have come to take this risk for granted as almost the natural rather, the man made stayed off by international affairs. How much do you think your politics and by that i mean this uh uh, fluid mix of, uh there is interest um the various influences how much has the influence the, the initial rift and how much has of influence its apparent resolution. Now, i dont have the idea that there is any in they would get really deep in international relations. Nor do i believe that, that have been any in every day really deep when they got to the estrangement, which means that will be the idea that they havent been long periods when able to study them. And making the most out of the in india actually had really, really jumped out. Thatd be, thatd be a lot of you had, but it is upside down the with the thing. Yeah. And they werent able to decide a very made the dealer had to go to the exchange the wall, the visit after that there have been issues, theyve divided them not necessarily connected with anything that had happened between them. But that same sort of d d or what availability i will call it, you know, we are out of the way. And so ill be at a pretty bad bad. And so it would be any of yeah, itd be really good can see there. But lets do about it, so not enable me to watch so much bigger and it had such a Large Population and contribute defense. Gabriel, really be people can say what it was bored full of im sure. So the fact that the mortgage thatd be going to be affiliated with the american, the americans of us have both to be security guided them as far as like even worse cancer. But the situation injuries they were brought, she was late and see the added. Yeah. Been thatd be way did them and that was the same. So 0 sub z, matthew. Yeah. Genes does situation find that basically what theyre going to be and i teach him. Yeah. Thatd be a medic. Bills are more, could i be able to take you in a dobro either. I mean this or this lead and then for the last few years, the style needs have been looking at. I did provide the options and they have big w b of ideas. Already. You probably wouldnt be going to be boxed ready. Bread depot, bad 5, but i will drop, wed be good about that and it must got and i would see that the chinese in egypt, they in this bag, you know, so i will say that yes, this is a very positive development. Indeed, that can be nature affected by germs on both sides, certainly, but at the same time rebuild for like a native then china has not to blame that it is going to be a significant political and diplomatic, but it lives in that age. And let me ask you specifically about chinas role here. As i heard you say before, the china recognizes the limits and understands the problems can only be addressed and hopefully resolve by the countries themselves. But its ready to provide what psychologist, call a safe container or what you called was i need you to me, the asian, the sort of congenial, authentic atmosphere of that, where those difficult issues could be tackled or leave this car. Now, how important it is, are there any other countries or any of the platforms that can provide these safe space for genuine authentic negotiation of difficult issues . The background relating to china is that has been the age of china in the east midland, where to go fast or the last for p. S the 1st 20 years, but i was no peace of it before proclaimed debbie board making progress. And it was concerned that if the western border seem to know about be they will do anything to jeopardize the dental correct. Before i brought the mission labs, the open economic director about the emergence of china and the legs. These occur exactly 10 years ago in 2013, but i didnt, she didnt being and i was the one bed one brought any ship, a bed land there became the bed and all the ship 10 years later, time not has allowed them to get this also going to be a major only because clearly and were trying to live on this cannot be that people are not familiar with with dish out have not been there for a long time in the northern region, the language and because of what the last 10 years i have no, get there jamie is going to have read that makes roy movie bees with the god forbid each year and the child that variable is much more obvious would be in the chinese, which is quite different from that of the americans. The american approach is to have a very strong, maybe the but im sure that you do have to have bread and river that be at the office to be interviewed. And would it be covered by the probate dreamforce . I would say if they already brandy, they go with a lot for b a. Since the end of the or more i would say through your, theyd be like his dads has left the region to be shipped to the what the chinese offer is something quite different. The only way if i may be a trim order is the west side media should warranty being the week of solve your problems. Going to be solar by country. Its only pro engagement with each other. Well, the chinese goal is all for the offices, has been in the sales and garbage dialogue and have the be the whos the, where are maybe in disney. Got they look forward to being brokers. They are as good they do dialogue between people and standing by a loading goal, yet theyve disagreements. He has not been by that. The indeed, with the views of the chinese have lead themselves and again big or box or disagreement and therefore have bid themselves gather the fits squarely the try. China is a reputation as a piece builder, or as a mediator has received a significant boost. But the, there are also some provisions economic provisions in this deal. For example. Amazing is trying to encourage saudi or rage iran to conduct any uh, by lights troll trade deals uh, being denominated in you on youve got comes to pass. What do you think is going to be the significance of that both for the, the countries involved and perhaps even broader . That is, at steves amazing stage, i need this, i believe. I have already seen a number of reports from baby, a source is indicating ending 3 using action or using one or any of the barcode transactions every to comes through that in order to flush really big green. Because the lag does dance, it would be nice to have missed your dont bother under god, but the you need that the sanctions, the board up on the, on the here you need let the drawer from the new did agree with the green sanction they bought when you ball would understand the country, it does seem as a cross miss yours or their daughter. If you have a st. Jude, i would say, agree will very frankly, it can take any more st. Gym or more be a medic whos been taking advantage offers financial status globally and it made it the bible study, although as to the device, the Community Deep robot dc paid in these sanctions. And that has been that this a junk did the device no Community Live number, role deeded in the risk dasia as well as the bar of egypt. A serious deep concern that do this kind of will be lack of grossly unfair action can be big. I guarantee that already they all are against any trailer or against any of the example. Lets not move. They only sent them the room as well. And yet, and it gives us, yeah, geez pockets are you can already see that the chinese by a lot of the, like the android in the a heads up to ensure the guys, i mean, the actions on to be just by the sanctions. Im you, im and child can be, id like you to build up or leave a girl, make the visits to cover things that have been a fairly targeted by the american only articles brokerage by then just go out of like, you look for a dental. Now im sorry, i dont know if you would agree with that, but i think the americans had a tend to view these defines of the universe. So policy as an ideological move they like to portrayed as a sort of a battle existential battle between a head democracy and a talk receive. But from what youre saying at the countries, i do not know that out of any idea of logical or recent, per se, but there is simply pursuing the commonsensical. If not survivalist interest, do i understand you correctly that its not so much and asked of defying the americans as simply a, you know, holding your own pass and doing whats, whats good for you without necessarily trying to steal something from others, to read orders back to the american policy makers in washington dc, their business or, or a baby and lives a democratic gad, he has no conviction workshop. Ever. Nobody in the world to believe it or the americans argue with us or argue against us. That is the legal. It doesnt matter why you will remember that in there by the americans have been the strongest support, the hop outside south africa, or part of the baby and the gmc imagine the baby guy in africa or pottery davy and reggie limited. Yeah. So i am not impressed with this. Any it is, it is when people considered, but during the description, we are looking for depth with them as you know, Neither China nor glass, you know, india, and nor do that or any web binds, decide you linked up on liability of a new board or what we have been doing over the last 20 years, ill show you that youre looking at what the board up that told me. I think we have simply said, you didnt order that. You are ready to book jeff. We have saying its a large number of countries. Every month on the words page, they have that all mean says and, but theyre all good. They have the priorities, the workers, the pain, the option of big data or more important is the bought jo best basically making sure that comes with your team in the context of the bought in your dream. Hardly any because we had supported the american agenda or the walkers the lives that are already daddy gave them all about them hardware extra. Thatd be great because of where to believe we, i mean by the board were, we have our right big. I really, this feature is the guy who made the mistake as well as methods each member of the device, ok, well, im bassinger. We have the right and obligation right now to take a little break, but they will be back in just a few moments state you in the, the, the, [000 00 00;00] the welcome back to was a parts bit telling me so smart, induced foreman bassett, or to saudi arabia investigator before the break, we were talking about how various countries finally have the result and perhaps the necessity to pursue that own uh, National Interest um, being the concept of multiple a world not as a necessarily ideal logic color defines to the United States, but simply out of uh, their own interest them, i heard you say before the, the us as answer to that changing world order has been the new cold water, which i have to say in ukraine, turned into a hot or do you think that will help the americans to hold onto the so called leadership and im not asking for a moral judgment here. Do you think thats a good strategic decision to pursue confrontation . Read the russia as a way of sort of holding onto the um, to the benefits that they have been sustaining. The d is for mr. Brewer and western leg work order. And the days of us in june would be our that word order is now that will be more us see in your 3, in the last, at the desk. But that the by the americans have no fuel west, the light that they have to do. But its the dry re being that court order in some more detail order that has no relation with the the word has gene. I wont be no pointed disregard, but when building dead shore bbc america, lift the lid charlottesville, football in the woods. Ok. The next strawberry violent said damage that big inflicted variable. We have to be looking at 20 years after the beat you out for. We also know that maybe the simply the database thatd be america. They did a kind of stuff. We are bore officially, that half a 1000000 people would have kids there during the American Occupation of their full countries in the, at this time. And you know, that is the reason why that is what the thinking did. A good deal. There has to be that i use the other countries, they are not claiming to pop our data, but they are getting that service degree will be the ones. And she came of age learned that more does that provide these changes. The book is very black jeep through their own ward, florida is boxy, and thatd be a good. Itd be hard games. The problem might be. Boiler, would it be hard to get or beans or video . Yeah, youll get the same diag walbridge in oregon. I vision air bags and the Indian Origin marine buffalo version and numerous other in the deep level of the bombing ada environment. The board of each of the leasing owners, full dynamics on the beach, resolve its own logic. Im going to make one more point that they do that either verbal and that is this for the time being showed in west European Countries have locked in for the american edge. And it is depths of game that were getting. What has happened is the market taking the water, you green, germany agree army with hundreds of videos of products. The words that makes i did this in many of those several folk offensive point. One point me can one imagine the job would be coming subordinate would be a very collision that in say, if i worked 10 years back, can you imagine from remaining subordinate to the american intent that i have job . I really boss of bank because of its insecurity. Restarted the china, but not at all. Yeah. Oh yeah, youre not really good join. Itd be less than a lions a gated china as well. So therefore, im suggesting to that war to she as game going this all around the americans. I believe that every link is or full in a n t bridge. I and theres lots of games. Can i ask you about that . Because this is something thats be is being discussed in russian circles a lot. Namely, what you mentioned, whether we can imagine a re on germany or france remain under the american uh, control or the american can for the next 5 to 7 years. But if we look at the national lead, a leads of those countries, most of them are western educated that, that level of expertise or the level of knowledge, even of the basic european history, seems to be very, very limited. What makes you believe that something go happen and those are great european nations that will provide the kind of leads that will be more, its not more. So there are different guns the, the americans, but then at least a little bit more independent than minding the old interest is a difficult question for me. Gland show, we dont or equal french, i have as a long term pro magic every year after the 7 years. I had been a board at the extent of 11 are in western countries, particularly best of europe and United States in regards to this claim that gotcha. And the dynamic stability could either be all countries in africa and asia. Im glad you know maybe even menu of their soul or disc burch b, actually in the leg looking they are full on the board. Measurement is that theyve been seen that the same should require an offer to bromwoods as well as all of objective omen. 3 is that you must move in your, in the top is coming to, you want to know what is as you did in game or the walk out of their priority then into your fault. Cuz you did your really, chris, your, your priority. You have, you have the lives yourself, particularly be a baby, give her the extension of the people in the what the other board for it would be american believe that both american videos that are born on watch movie news. Yeah. And now for the guidelines of america, that they just dont read your boards to yes, we have a problem, but each of the theyre not something that you can get a goal. What people are looking and you will have small, a lead to where you wont be at their own invest the Bank Debit Card may be believe in warning letter g m motorcycle. The same 3rd more worried about their future. And therefore, yes, there is a certain lens and im 70 in the these and that are all the way and thats what we are leaving. So moving towards that, theyre leaving to just a whole bunch of that be i want to ask you a specific question about uh, energy and nothing much energy, but rather uh, saudi arabia and utilize your norm is expertise in that area. Easily even more striking than uh, china is the reason 6 as the, the saudis intention to, as a result, to go the own way. Because for many years, the scientist position themselves as a staunch american l. And yep, if we actually look at the recent statements and the recent moves, for example, the commitment to the 8 pack it class deals that refusal uh to sell oil 2 countries that introduce price caps on oil, including uh, you know, thats the measure that is forced by the, by the west, you know, it seems the guy Foreign Policy is far more independent and far more actually inward looking then at any of the countries that, um you know, surround the west at this point of time. Absolutely. Right. You know, a range, you know, part of the word game is a set price for wisdom. Common data is because it was for me we can get your logic. This is the price for us. Remember yeah, i have to watch. So it would be at abn. You barble, would it be vehicle site . Yes, they have talked themselves about another. They had a smaller population of about maybe 1000000 plus 10, medium, florida, another. They did not have a very strong, medium printed issue. They bought the american website and ive had no intention of using that. I just, i did, she did change, did attempting to engage with the daughter daughter toms busy day and she actually literally did the district job went in web page. Yeah. When the guy with the americans being see the st. You and, and keep her away and started the process or lives the some of the rules they might be like. Blaze. Yeah. You brought some of the work your degree months i had heard because weve gone from china, you will need to all the which i made. Youll need to or glad time i gave you them good. They dont come every bit. So j v b were blue is yeah, they the word work, the visions baby bad, theyre bad. That was the beginning. The 2nd world, the new, clear, agree, live, or wed be of that means i didnt buy with the region was that you did that of all the allowed you them. It concerns related to your wardrobe. All my negotiate the viet agreements without consulting any of them. The 3rd or the media to volunteer to come when they wanted us to angle between the us and the same general and the idea and that our best bet brought it back on the boys, but certainly all the beads and then the find those pro. Well, the know me this american big drawers from i was at this time, frank goblin beach me sole and be towards media. They might be does or how they had back then. But from vietnam or adult years ago, that same back the or im giving you what i lied, actually not being a how do you have them, but i mean go it a lot as you get the region, the bed, the less than really bad. And they are like that now the new world order has come, begin not depend on be americans added security provided all got it that we need to look at its true demo booking, particularly do provide. Thats the, the jump. It says i have come off each. So the user believe so probably be any people that but i, i told him washington d, v, but i pad is a button and theres no user be, ive been watching this happen for such a long pain the same. So be 3 in the same problem though. A method or maybe there is a also very inspiring messaging on the 1st of all the fact that its not only the americans, but any other country in the world that has a sense of its own manifest destiny and the right to pursue it on its own terms and in the front of the relationship with the others. And the 2nd good news is that credibility is not something that comes as a burst, right . You, you actually have to earn if you actually have to treat others as youre yourself want to be treated. And i think thats the basis of all major philosophical and religious schools that have been used vehicle manifest destiny. It reminds us on degree and cora, the news that might even be that isnt being gabby and the white mans burden. You dont get the mass murder the general say that because you know, in the name of stabilization, the white being out of the entire and in the community, the American Indian community then be wiping the institutionalization of slavery. They told me nation window of a lot of our most r o b i in africa, the painter of beach and during the week, almost to be live vision of ready for the penny. That is not acceptable, but its actually not just and we shall love it. Remember, all of us have it is easier that it is a matter into the roses list. Depression menus beautiful dan see realizing we should be with say, we live 5000 a year before any of them fall and see me live vision. The important issue of outbreak that we have, particularly every year. But when we hear of these people are as it is that are both, thats on same m like full born and right. The as be called this utilizing vision, me savvy . Yes. More to basically realizing mission had meant mass murder. Absolutely, and you know, i once interviewed former for design a Prime Minister and run filing. And she said that the, you know, one of the worst vestiges of colonialism is the nation. Start to believe that colonial letter to themselves and i think in a sense would weve been discussing today is that many of those countries, im finally ready to free themselves from all those narratives. And to recognize that theres something inherently good and valuable and charitable in their own history and own national path. And indeed in that old manifest destiny. Because you know, all the nations in the world have something special, something unique, too old for even the International Environment supports that. Unfortunately, we have to end up here at im, as i said, great, the owner them briefly, inspired by this conversation. Thank you very much. Its a great pleasure for me and thank you for watching hope to hear again next week on was a part of the, [000 00 00;00] the more expensive. And im going to plan with you whatever you do. Do not watch my new show. Seriously. Why watch something thats so different whitelisted opinions that he wont get anywhere else. Welcome to please do the have the state department c i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. Choose your fax for you. Go ahead, change and whatever you do. Dont want myself to stay main street because im probably going to make you uncomfortable. My show is called stretching time, but again, you probably dont want to watch it because it might just change the wayne state to take a fresh look around as a life kaleidoscopic isnt just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real live indians. Fixtures, design to simplify will confuse really one say better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground . Can the 90 point, say, new Prime Minister, following the military, who in the country and in the face of potential military intervention from neighboring states. We hear the thoughts from the nations from citizens image. It seems that the text me share, im sure that all the emphasis across member of countries here will be destroyed. People, douglas cdl, even if that goal was to us and fall, and even if the whole worlds mobilizes against these, yes, we will remain vigilant. As delegations from neighboring martino spouse. So,