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She was a slip in her california home, one in the middle of the night, a month in a ski mask, answer her bedroom holding a knife to her throat, tying up her hands and feet. Im raping her. I dont care these old. Im curious, feeble. He, i do care that he sits in lives with it until the day he dies. He just needs to die with the weight of all of the pain of all of the families. The long wants to killer is responsible for 12 homeless sites, almost 50 rates and 120 home burglaries and currently spending most spend the multiple lives synthesis increase on all through the technological power of the me. 436 the view. Im for tennis, atlanta, back to the study. Wow, lots of information to process there. Thank you so much bucks on it. To now to help us discuss is criminal offense. Attorney joseph toley address is totally, it has over 15 Years Experience practicing criminal law in california. And has been certified as a criminal law specialist, but a california board of legal specialization. Now in addition, mr. Tow, it has been recognized by the National Trial lawyers as a top 100 trial lawyer. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. This is a really interesting topic. You know, if someone chooses to have their dna or genetics tested for personal reasons, what protections are offered to the sample given . Well, youre basically at the mercy of these companies and you have to read the fine print. If the company slips in there, you know, were going to sell your Genetic Information or you, by signing up with us, you give us license to use this. However, we want including cooperating with Law Enforcement and then you, your choices either to go through what the process and if youre curious, you know, you want to do it or, or to not do it. I see lots of options, but i have to wonder how accurate are the commercial dna services. So thats part of the problem here. Is it were talking about this mix of, you know, the criminal law world with the, with the, with the commercial world of, you know, your, your genes. But in a court room, you know, you can, you can cross examine witnesses experts in order for evidence to come into a court room. It needs to past past scientific muster. There, theres a certain legal test that, that the information is scientifically valid. However, in these commercial genetic testing labs, theres no such regulation. So its not designed to provide forensic analysis in court room cases. So its really up to the lab and theres, theres no true regulation of, of whats going on right now. Were, were in the early days of genetic testing, and after the sample is given, whos property is it . It would depend on what the Licensing Agreement is or what the agreement is. Again, we all buy things every day. We buy computers, we buy cellphones, we sign up for facebook, we sign up for instagram, twitter, and in a lot of these things, you know, take talk assignments for this. And all of the services have spike provisions in there. Really theyre, theyre saying look, even if the app isnt on, were going to listen to you. We can sell that information. I mean, weve, in the last decade signed up for almost 24 hour monitoring by these, the corporate um, you know, all of the corporate corporations. So here its the same thing with genetic testing. Again, theres no regulation right now. Um, the based on whats going on with the Law Enforcement, you here . Law enforcement found this, you know, this suspect or theyve got leads by doing this. Well, thats because theyre allowed to do it. So presumably, these companies are working hand in hand with Law Enforcement because theyre able to do so. Maybe you can help clarify this for me. What are the differences in labs between dna, which is tested by commercial services, or by Law Enforcement and criminal cases. Theres no regulation, so its not the same regulation would bring standards that would bring protocols. And in court theres, theres a test, its called the kelly fried test and its a see it kind of governs what evidence can come into a court room. But before the person who wants to introduce that evidence can present it in court. If the other side objects, then the, the proponent of the evidence has to prove to the court judge this a scientific merit. This is widely accepted within the Scientific Community so that they dont have to prove that this is the best methodology out there. But they have to prove that its widely accepted and that most scientists within that Peer Community would accept these results. Whereas with these private companies, its literally private companies and the, the labs are not set up in the same way that a lab would be set up for a forensic case in a criminal case. Now, back in 2020 the Investor Firm blackstone acquired ancestry dot com. Weve actually heard relatively little about this acquisition. Since, are you concerned about the security of the data . Which and history dot com owns considering . And blackstone has more than 230 other companies who would find the dna very valuable. Yes, i think the, you, you fit the nail on the head. This is, this is a huge privacy concern. And a lot of times people, you know, and in my experience dont understand privacy, the, the 4th amendment. But to those people, youd say, okay, here, give me your wallet. They say, what do you, what do you want my wallet for long . Im going to show it to everybody in the room. Im going to walk around the park this afternoon and just let everybody touch and deal. Look through your wallet. People would instantly say no. If you said, hey, give me your cell phone, hey, whats wrong if you have nothing to hide . What are you worried about . But, you know, i think kind of putting, giving an example where the rubber meets the road is, is really, really critical here. And, you know, again, our, our conversations are being monitored and then thats being sold to people who want to sell us stuff by internet corporations. And it could be the same thing here, where people imagine if theres, you know, predispositions towards diseases or certain types of entertainment or, you know, we, you could be, you can have your, your g known basically cracked and hacked and they can study it with, with all the money that these, these investor groups have, i mean were talking about deep, deep pockets and they can start specializing, you know, selling data for commercial purposes, not based on your, your web browsing history, but based on your genetic code, i mean think about that. Interesting. Thank you so much, joseph tali. And now after the break, were going to continue this discussion, look at the ethics of dna being collected commercially being used in a criminal process. The the notice of both, both the models you need to do both stops throughout the us for the worker, the 50 wallace. Im so sorry. For the 1st phone number here, the the look forward to talking to you all. That technology should work for people. A robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except were so shorter is that conflict with the 1st law show alignment as a patient. We should be very careful about our personal intelligence at the point, obviously is too great to trust. Rather than to the job. I mean, with the Artificial Intelligence we have so many with him in the robot most protects his phone existence with alexis, the take a fresh look around, theres a life kaleidoscopic, isnt just a shifted reality distortion by tell us to do vision with no real opinions. Fixtures designed to simplify will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground . Can the question of the Nuclear Envelope she was most schools do. If you look for the visual, do 1 oclock significantly post on zillow, while it be almost getting used to put value when you do oil change. But you also still, this is done, the newest 3 government buildings systems to build a new do what i see these the buses. The little gear limitation says this, done by the welcome back. You are watching the 360 view. Im a scouting now hes. Were going to continue our discussion about the value of dna and a criminal court with our guests. A criminal defense attorney and joseph tali. Joseph, thank you so much for continuing this conversation. You know, i wonder officers can submit dna samples obtained by g. D, match and family tree dna to the only genealogy websites which allow Law Enforcement access to the databases in court. Should dna obtained by commercial services be made accessible and criminal proceedings. So again, this theres, theres a push and pull to everything and as the years go on we will, if not figure it out, completely get better at it. So here theres a lot of cold cases, evan solve, i think, the, the brian cobra or case where he is accused of stabbing for College Students in with constance that was solved by genetics. There, there is a lot of old, you know, cold cases that brings peace to, to the families of the brain, security to society. On the other hand, were having these, these corporations sell us out or, or be very, very invasive. Again, people wouldnt want to give up their cell phone. Why would they want to give up their, their genetic code . Um, even if you have nothing to hide, its not really whats, what, whats on you. Its really about where it is going and whos going to have it. Can you trust that person . Can you trust that person to act ethically . Do you think that person cares as much about your privacy as you do . Do you think that person cares about the genetic privacy that you have or the privacy that you have in your own genes . And then a testing has lied to convictions, but can also prove innocence. Therefore, for someone who is innocent, what did they be favorable to dna testing if they were being charged criminally . And certainly yes. We have the innocence project, which for decades over a decade now has fried anyhow, innocent people, people who are factually innocent, they didnt do it. And genetic testing has freed them. On the other hand, we havent seen some of the, the down sides of the invasion into privacy just yet. And maybe the technology hasnt been there. So that the, you know, people who are holding this could have use it. Again, information is power and getting Genetic Information about someone could lead to having an immense amount of power over them. So, you know, the secrets of life is balance. And we have to balance here, privacy versus all the, the wonderful uses, the genetic unlocking can bring versus the detrimental benefits for the detrimental, the down sides. So, so for instance, theres privacy, theres lack of consent. We have accuracy and reliability concerns. And we have instances where this could not only be used against one person, but could be used against people, you know, Group Genetic groups of what is genetic discrimination . And how do dna testing factor in. So imagine if the Law Enforcement has an incomplete profile and they say, well, we know the killer, the rob or the burglar, the rapist, has, you know, it is a, is a male, is of this racial group. Then the police could go to a certain area and kind of use that as a pretext to kind of start shaking down members of that group, whether they have probable cause or not. Well, you know, we know its this certain group. Theres only, uh, lets say, you know, one percent of that population in this city. Lets go to, you know, where the population is concentrated and, and start, you know, doing a shakedown, so to speak, that that would be the concern. Or is this a craze all over the world, or just in the west . Its happening all over the world. So the agent generally speaking, i do lots of commentary on, on legal analysis. You know, Supreme Court cases of how, what i tell people is that if you had to bet, you know, i dont have a crystal ball. But if you had to bet that on the ruling coming down on the side of concentration of power and less rights to the people, more power of the corporations, more power to the government. Thats the, thats the, the 40 are trends that, that were in right now. And based on peoples beliefs in Walking Around the street, and i dont see that ending any time soon. I dont see being a concern of people. I see people accepting it, accepting and accepting it. However, it, at some point, i think it might be a situation where, you know, eating a Sleeping Giant is awakened. Isnt there no data being harvested from the 3rd world like it is here in the west and for what purpose . So i think that it is very possible for a more sophisticated, wealthy western corporation to go in to a 3rd world country and work with corrupt leaders, corrupt dictators who sell out their population for money to these corporations. And then we have the situation that were talking about here. Here we have a very good bill of rights, a very good constitution. You know whats left out of it after you know this, these last 4 years of judges and the Appellate Courts kind of striking it down. But in 3rd world populations and in 3rd world countries, they dont have the constitution that we have and they dont have the mentality of, of, of concepts, of individual liberty. So, um i, i cant speak to any certain countries by name, but i could say that youre really raising an important point that weve seen what corporations do with respect to mining. Weve seen with what corporations do with, with respect to raw materials, with respect to populations in terms of their labor. So is this really is a recipe for disaster . And i think that, you know, the important point that youre bringing up is that this is not only a National Discussion for us. This is a global discussion for all of humanity. What regulations or oversight would you suggest need to be established in order to protect individuals in the future . I think we would have to deal with the right of privacy. Again, the tendency of people in power, whether it be government or corporations, is to abuse power in the end, and its to grow that power as well. Once you have power, you want to keep growing it. So i think a good model actually is, is our constitution because it says, listen, you cant stop humans from wanting more or acting in their own self interest. So the best way to deal with that is to pick these individual groups against each other so that you have checks and balances. So i think we need rigorous scientific standards. And if we are going to use genetics in, in court, then those labs need to be regulated to the same standard as a forensic lab would be, lets say, in, in, in a county or federal department where theyre responsible for testing evidence and, and bringing it into court so i think, you know, regulating the labs, regulating privacy and perhaps a global bill of rights for all of humanity, recognizing the right to their privacy in terms of their own genetics. Do you honestly believe any of the suggestions will ever be put into place . We either yeah we, we either do that or we have a tier any creeping in more and more and maybe instead of tip toeing, so itll start walking. And then, you know, a jumping then, then leaping. So were, were either going to regulate it or its going to put a choke hold on this, and im talking about the whole world. And thank you so much, joseph, totally for joining us. Mankind is curious, especially when it comes to information about himself. We look to find out more about our past. Hopefully it will give us answers to questions. We speak about ourselves in the present and possibly help us in the future. Where does my temper come from . Why am i allergic to shell fish . Why do i have the warranty or when everyone in my family has bred here . I think most looked the commercial to get a sides all for innocent reasons. But just like with Everything Else in the present day, once something is deemed extremely valuable, there was an open invitation for corruption. Sadly, something as innocent as wanting to find out your genetic disposition or background can now be used for other purposes. Without any disclosure to the individual. The lack of trust people have not only for the money hungry corporations, but the government, only age and the fear individuals have for the commercial dna industry. Once we realize how powerful our dna information can be. Sadly, we are already behind and creating standards of regulations to protect privacy and individual rights in regards to their own dna. And just like with Everything Else deemed to be lucrative and hold power. I doubt the government. Does it any hurry to correct the sky . Now using this has been your 360 view of the news affecting you. Thanks for watching the doors. 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