The accession of sweden into the block. Today will examine what this means for the military alliance and for security of europe or even the world. All right, lets get into the m o. The after much consternation and bluster, turkey is reversing. Course no longer blocking suite an application to join the so called security alliance. The norfolk state is ending its centuries old tradition of neutrality and joining the us and expanding natos orders and circling the russian federation. Initially sweden was part of a to for deal with its neighbor, finland who shares an 800 mile border with russia, but suspended its bid when it was clear that the trucks would flock its application. So when spring 2020 free finland was officially ad, its to membership, but vice summer after rachel are to want narrowly eat down victory and his re election did. He had a sudden change of heart. Critics of are the one say the release of a is off po ws was the 1st lurch into his betrayal of Vladimir Putin. Then came the sweden decision. His moves met with applause by the west. As a thank you from the us or the one. Well now get new f 16 fighter jets. Now to break this all down, we are joined by d med tom. He is a former swiss m p, a journalist and author of several books. Lucy, oxygen originally in french, translated to english, is russia west, and most relevant to the issues unfolding today. A title called europes existential dilemma to be or not to be an american vassal. Do you thank you so much for joining the program. First. What is your general reaction to the news that swedens bid to join nato is moving forward . The application of freed up to date to as being as being capped for, do you prepare the scenes . No, doesnt, doesnt or jobs. So if you look how in the recent uh, just the simplest publications of the russian army has been used to, you know, the mount, the swedish, but the swedish people against russia. The smoke is now very logical. Uh, what, what was most of passing . What was the law, which is not surprising is the capacity of the turkish president wizards to such and such a move in the past year. But that was for me to real. Thats a good sell price of the past time because it was able to prevent the, the Testing Process the application process. Busy of the, of the sweets i think the draws progress from, from outcome to be able to resist the piece. Huge pressure i was made by or, or the member of alternate to do a molten can now talk to nance. This being said, the recent decision taken by turkey to offer was the sweetest copy, dusty to go. Ed is really in fault and thought you meant because the swedish membership, as well as the finish one, was not improved to situate the content between the green was because what shall we react . And the gain of reactions and counter reactions renewed to, and this condition will detentions, and go to our moments ways and to call them to come to 3 and actually use that sort of trapped. Now we go all for some time now. Uh, sweetest application to the block was halted by one country. That country is turkey, richard or the one seemed resolute on his demands at suite. In return several p. K. K members who his country labels as terrorist. He express outrage over kron burning outside of the Turkish Embassy and sweden. He was upset with us, kicking him out of the f. 35 joint striker jet deal. But these were all remarks made while he was campaigning for reelection. Now that hes narrowly won the presidency again, you were versus course on sweden. Is there any coincidence here . Did he perhaps betray his voters . Yes, i think the doctors move is difficult to another size because its too close and we have trucks that this tends to, to, to, to come see the full context of what the so weve also a decision. But as you mentioned, also, it happened just a few days after the swedish migrant has gone to guam in district default to the embassies talk you soon bye. See in the instruction. And normally, i would have problem with a big scale that youve been in the dark. It has proven to be stronger than the for the restroom. Well, well packaged on the images used. And we have seen, for instance, the human rights constituted in geneva in the voting origin emergency. Ready lucian to condemn these act. But despite up the president of the gun, decided not to consider. Its not because he does not as a glass firm is used to to do uh in the bought in the pastor. But the change or change is made and decided to ever rot personal, redo queen. Busy you received the presidency last year, we order or nose in, you know, camera. We decided also to release the. Busy as of the new and thats the new and eightys as of right. So originally we track the thing in talk to or use them and they would be that theres a header that we talk to to great now. So it was a. Ready see a yes or fixed. Again, there are games. Yes. The russian violence projects on the east west balance of stock. So, you know, by june i can explain that that because of the color, the difficulties of the talk you, she kind of me know, the now i still the elections, the gun needs to rebuild t z economy and you research to, to get the more move thats a access to worst on investment to russian capital. And thats why youre now running off to the west. Probably. Yeah, because hes hoping to get more rest of the investment in usually thats may be one reason, but there is a 2nd resolve which is not so much experience use in my view. Thats the result of the simplex of turkey. The media is doing piece last month if you look at ca or expense as the our country have decided that during the last last so need to have a lead to reintegrate seals. Yeah. As a full member of the league of because. Busy a set back for him to come, because now its yeah, yeah. 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Uh, we talk and probably elder gum is feeling that these opposing got used and tries to, to what to raise the stakes with the rest on one side and read the russia on the other side. Thats why use uh, getting to for a re drawers shop reset. Yes, we definitely do. I shop. We sent to you. Yes. Excellent points about getting western capital into his country and, and then losing his upper hand with syria and what of russia . Here are the one has been the sort of counter balance between the west and their action against russia due to his seat on nato. Has he stabbed Vladimir Putin in the back and does this risk any future renewal of the black sea green deal . I mean, russia says no for now, but maybe later, this is a little sit by cool. You can, because you was the piece blocker. It was the agreement between grant and russia, and between russia and the rest of the country. And do it was he is the course and for him it could be no. Well important on the e commerce ive seen a thanks to disagreement now it collapse and its not the uh, uh yes, set back for to amazon. But i dont think that the gun is between russia inmate view, as i said, is the usage is getting tougher. Years are raising the stakes because uh, he is a really, inc to get more from russia from west text where he is. You did. Ready through quinn, but also wed rush, i dont know. Now what is your machine, but youre trying to get some food to you cannot of you for your washer. Because do you kind of make uh, a release on the printer and uh, and russia opportunity bought them to go to, i mean, for richard to explore not to rush i sprang, laptops are eager to our products to, to, to talk, keep was because of to waste hundreds of thousands russian are taking or the days in. Busy ready talk to you because now. Busy off will be done because when were supposed be going to go to the restaurant well, so they go mostly on direct see cost and darky. And also the average, the new gap left to go, which was, you know, great by resend the and you just, you talk was based by washin. Uh there is also a group project. Uh huh. Orland gosh, the dark key to to create is very important. Talk between meet at easter and. Ready ready 10 countries and thats important was tied to the kind of because you but strategy credit you for fall talk to you. So i think considering all these elements a advercum, we not break not work to relate. Thats a really the release of. Ready rush, you reply to keep a balance, to be the yes to be the, the full care of the piece to be the balancing power between both the region between the west and east. But hes trying to, to improve it to improve its fuzzy. So thats why you know, uh uh, increasing the tensions. Ready we invite you coming up next, the United States. Its called russia, and expansion is empire over its action in ukraine. Is that really the case . Well discuss it when we return with the me. 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My show is called stretching time, but again, its not, we dont want to watch it because it might just change the way and say what hes got to do is identify the threats that we have. Its crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is on often very dramatic. Only personally, im going to resist. I dont see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. Time to sit down and talk the welcome back to the m o m l a. Chance after the latest nato summit in vilnius, some numbers appear to question the us amendment to the block. With nato even exist without United States. Back with us to discuss is warmer, switch m, p, and author of europes existential dilemma to be or not to be an american bass or mr. Game at all. So game outside of these western narratives, according to russia and much of the global south expansion of nato, is precisely why there is conflict in ukraine now. Broken promises by the us that nato would not expand even one inch to the east, the broken or perhaps even false. Michel courts. Yet, just a few months ago we see finish accession to the block without much objection by russia. And now we will probably see sweden rushes entire western border is surrounded by nato. Does this actually make the world safer, or does this perhaps risk world war 3 . No, i dont think its very expensive to nate, Good Computers on the industry that will increase the security of the company. I think it was some of the security situation in europe and not to new york, but well, you can do well. Uh uh, because uh dont forget that your shop is. Ready power and the risk of escalation or the risk offer. And actually the general uh, and the purple purple button queen. For instance, default being groceries. Upper was young, nuclear to prompt or Something Like that. Its good. Any kind of true publication can be used, you know, to poke such and such a wall or maybe or not. But uh well. Busy um, but uh thats why i think this, this expansion just bear with me and me got you got to use my point of view but. Busy lets, lets see, i hope this has never happened. And thats uh and does your piano or do you all, can you guys re cheaper there . All right, cool. And provide such as conditions. Why dont, why dont we recruit, but have any more your thoughts or the directions between us . Yes, the good felt, uh, well, what really happened. So other than its geographical location or, you know, proximity to russia. What else to sweden bring to the nato table . I mean, what do they have to offer the block . Why does the block, once done . I think there is to uh, 2 different case. I think in terms of military, if we speak about the military, i dont think the swedish contribution to the need to repeat this is, i dont think concrete. It was tank then. The items. Uh good. This is a take a video. So suddenly its up to divide the call to 193. 00 fonts on fonts to center font and south fonts. Sounds sounds good, good sounds really isnt in theory, but it really increases to the call to nation tasks. You 3 and also increase your risk of recent studies between 2 or 3 fourths and the 3 y uh, where is the cost of working together. So really tell me who youre speaking to get from long and, and then the street the in the audience is not a big deal. But, and we have to go see the cost side of the thing of this expansion. And thats probably because sense. I think it was a big success because of the big successful i mean we go through the night its. Ready to be able to extend the, the ideas to, to smell some countries and especially to sweeten which was, seems essential is another truck country. So in terms of soap opera and in terms of just pretty uh, pretty nice. Its a success. Any expense, some good because the, the as a sexes and its a special your success because um, it has all the piece up queen after have since now, 15 months as uh, as a very good option for United States to western eyes. You work on countries. No, not on the, the tradition of the rest of your countries. Oh, because as you know, because it became, became the best size of the United States. But also the domain boss of lycos, redone and virginia tech. There were the you to grant the evidence and decided to buy them surveys to become the best thoughts. And i think thats for america because it was a big deal. It has been a big party to party because success to be able to do that. And thats why ive talked to the yes to some it present by been decided to visit the general. Because for the last uh, because its always a big pleasure to bases easy to ease a sub sal, gym to sleep. And as the go finish genes people decide to join the i just buy them sundays because i then just a big joy bridge, right for me to pay a visit to dentist to up. So. Busy that i would accept or to be wrestling. Now, during this latest nato summit in lithuania, there seemed to be a small level of consternation among Member States about the u. S. Commitment to nato. There was all this talked about. If donald trump were to prevail in the us 2024 elections, there is this year that he might withdraw the us from the block as he threatened to do in his 1st presidency. Are those fears legitimate . And what would the Alliance Even look like without seeing us . This feels really, really happened one day. I cannot do my job much. I need to read out to us. And i cannot imagine nate, to, uh because nate to use the u. S. A. And the us is. Busy good, nate to i so i dont mean to come, even if hes elected, we leave late to you is why we try to, why is the cost for the you up the, as you really try to get more money from your dns. But as he tries to 4 years ago when he was president , but the rest of the dad so much invested to west side to European Countries to russell. Busy the u. N. Nato countries that there were never a bump of nature because the, they talk is the tour in the us, you know, the, to keep that group on under your plan continental. And thats why you then its plugged into the that the president of the next year youre not. Busy the. Ready ready the audience youre required to raise the stakes, but the reason that you and you know, you have also to consider that pump is also an input. Yeah, this is also available to us you but. Busy if you look at the slow go make, i mean we cant wait to greet. Its a little bit like the i dont slow down. I just was west. Oh yeah. I know you can either make America Great to get why too big. Grant again, just in order to be to, to make United States more able to do. I mean, they do well. The only do press between you to look for us as the dream to go to all the work. And we can present tasks such as reagan or do show as an hour where as we saw folks where theres all the companies and all the subjects as much as the democrats. So there was, there were no big difference between what you can and democrats, president , you went to court. No, its always the case today. Youre honestly the press between trump and biden. Is that trump as well for trump. China is the main y a side by side, that is your priority site sign that has to be defeated has to be defeated in good view of the top and the for the democrats, the. They want to display russia before after china. But in the case of time was to dc china and after you think was shelby collapse i bytes and thats the only difference. Differential priorities. Lets not put the principle of good at gmail. Com. Thank you so much for that. And great analysis. Thanks your to your, to wish you all the best. All right, that is going to do it for this episode. Ive noticed operandi the show that dig deep into Foreign Policy and current affairs. Im your host manila chan. Thank you for tuning in. Well see you again next time to figure out the m o the oh, what else seemed wrong . Just dont safe house and engagement because the trail when so many find themselves will support. We choose to look for common ground, the on the, on the, on the digital collaboration profit, guess what is the best thing move on to the idea of ive done this and the purpose of it fits it as it doesnt have to be complicated. That moody mood liberally know what our to school car wasnt it for backwards or something. I certainly mean much gimme ports to me and car daughter is the stuff that isnt most interested in life. Its called really of gardeners. Ok. But they still do what you to send, you suggest. So im using mean youre the one that you dont can be come loose at the corner. Somebody at the community, which the thief come as a computer, definitely not as all like supposed to be shut off. Thank you. So i think the only out of the media with us, thats in disclaimer. But that much the with industrial cleaning, the basically the 2 forces looking at them what to do with a some of this list. Especially if not we will be presenting. I will shoot you a copy from us pretty to do. We have found all of the great will. It was, it was the 1st one was a and then you paid us a lesson people that they should our subscription to get to the office of chicago for though were still at the bus stop in stone, im proud of were not even though you was in the middle of 11 us, some of the, the, the, the piece of an early monday morning has been shifted here, but its dont yet Safety Center came on the fire from you crazy and shedding. You can see the sky, the devastation behind this. Most of williams killed and would have been just the latest round of you training and selling in volume bad military forces a couple of the government, a need to say that the full, the colonial power of problems is providing and thats hot. Its a free that the same president and even reinstate also the organization of his vomit cooperation has denounced the recent bindings of the code on paul. Yet not the desecration of the holy book takes place in sweden