The is this the sure blue be expensive . So thats it. The series doing it for you and you have them by see the display of this, of the property, but even the way needs. Yeah. The cost, if youre saying you missed us and you to see cause that to those him. But the School Mental village doesnt notice. We are gambling with the future of all mankind and were, were risking it for not the bullying is a serious problem, not just here in the United States, but around the world. It leads to depression, anxiety and in some cases, suicide. The us centers for Disease Control reports that one out of every 5 us students is bully during the Normal School year and half of all students report having been bullied online. So why is it so difficult to get a handle on this International Problem . Why would anybody be opposed to anti bullying legislation . And why are so many adults who should know better bullies themselves . Im john, carry onto and youre watching the whistle blowers the. 2 2 2 2 bullying is a societal scourge. Nothing good comes of it. Its serious enough that it even has a legal definition. Bullying is unwanted aggressive behavior that involves an observed or perceived power in balance and is repeated multiple times or is highly likely to be repeated. It may inflict harm or distress on the targeted individual, including physical, psychological, social, or even educational harm. Bullying can be physical, verbal, or social and can result in physical damage to property. Bullying is especially bad among young people, one and 4 report being bullied on School Property as many as half report beings being bullied online. And the numbers are even worse among young people who identify as l g. B t q. Whats more adults commonly bully other adults that leads to depression, anxiety, and even post Traumatic Stress disorder. For the victims and psychologist say, the childhood bullying can manifest itself as depression and anxiety in the victim. As long as 40 years after the fact, Jennifer Foster is a whistleblower, a bullying advocate, a human rights activist and Committee Chair for the anti bullying group. Better working lives for all. She engages government on legislative change to introduce anti bullying legislation, which has been presented to the irish minister for enterprise trade unemployment. She has testified about bullying before the Irish Parliament and is met with Corporate Leaders around the country to discuss bullying prevention. Welcome to the show, jenny, thanks so much for joining us. Oh, thank you, john. Im absolutely honored to be here tonight and be of the day. So im for you, nighttime, for me. Thank you to be able to speak to you here as the chair of the best of working nice for all messy. Well, the pleasure is all mine, jenny, and i have so many questions that i almost dont know where to begin. So lets start with what bullying is and why some people become bullies in the 1st place. Is there a simple reason to that question . Whats the psychology behind it . Its an extremely complex question. We would, i am, we have us, im not a professional. And in that way, but i, we have asked the question many times within our multi disciplinary committee. And its very difficult to once or well makes for a 1st and a bully. You. It can be a power struggle. It can be something where it dislikes its taken to a person. Theres many reasons behind why bullying occurs when it does, it can be very harmful and it has the state areas and long lasting effects. And that is why i started of the batch of working life scro, kamisky. And weve, since starting up we have gone from strength to strength. We are so much about childhood bullying, but its not just confined to childhood adults can be bullies to. Why do you think adults engage in bullying . And theres many reasons why we have come to the conclusion, why an adult disengage. And bullying is a lot of the time its in, in security thing. They dont feel secure in their own positions. Sometimes its just the nature of the 1st and the other times it can be merely, they dont see themselves. So slowly they see it as robust management, which of course is on the same boss, robust management. Thats right. If, if one doesnt internet search on bullying and on the effects of bullying, theres really no good news. It causes depression and anxiety and its victims. And its not a rare occurrence to read articles about young people. And ive seen them as young as 10 years old, committing suicide because they cant stand the bullying. Why isnt more being done to educate people about bullying and to prevent it from happening in the 1st place. And what successful programs can you point to that should be emulated . A john to be very honest with you, thats an excellent question. Last more should be done. And in, in my particular situation, i tried every different government department. I tried to every program or i need to say, lets see, dash as space. They look after an employee such as the hey, just say which the health and Safety Authority also and the workplace relations commission, which is like your employment til im in tribe, you know, but theres no where to go. So, and at the moment theres many programs being uh, you know, and looked into at the moment, tacit on theres a ways that we can get around this. So we can educate people on that. We at the moment to and there isnt anything i could totally calling to boss. We are looking into us and the whistle blowers a u. K. Georgie, and how for the whole is um advocating for with a bowers and i will be working alongside georgina. And hopefully we will look more into the resorting side of things. Excellent. Im interested to know as well if you get any push back when you work against bullying, i know that youre involved in things like legislation, for example, and workplace training. And even in providing support for people who have been bullied, are there nay sayers out there . Are there people who are standing in your way or who dont appreciate the severity of bullying . John, im a very normal person. I know sam and professional or an academic, ill be very honest with you. Im not going to lie to anybody here tonight. So theres a lot of pushback. I have engaged with governments. The government actually for meeting the, you know, theyre very professional, but really they dont see the severity and its not that they dont see the severity gone is they know that if they introduce anti bullying laws, theres going to be pushback from employer representative from the end result versus out and look after employers and theyre, they realize that its going to be theyre going to have a loss of that hospital if they bring in an anti bullying law. And that is why at the moment we dont have a non to going on in your, in canada, they have something of that nature, but they dont have an anti bullying law in your. We do have and the you direct of them with the blowing which has come into being and in 2014 days of this year. And it gives extra protections for was of lowers. But its certainly something that has to be dealt with and it has to be dealt with in every go ferment level on so many of these big national issues, social issues like this, we see very clear battle lines being drawn. Are you getting any support from . Lets say the trade Union Movement or social activist, or the l g b t q. Community. Who can you count on as your natural allies in this fight . Well, funny enough john to the i am quite new to this. Im on the batch of working 90 committee and i have engaged with one of the largest unions in ireland. And i had in the initial meeting wasted with the deputy see a couple of weeks ago. And he very kindly invited me in this week. So im ho, things that and they will become an ally of ours and that we can push true something thats well suits employers and employees. Because we have to realize john, that is we just negotiate or advocate on behalf of employees. Weve lost um really weve lost a lot of hope because we have to show the employer that by having a robust anti bullying legislation, policy and policies and procedures, it protects the actual admin, sorry, themselves as well as the employee. So we just have to make sure that theyre aware that its not that we shouldnt, we do want to help them, but we also want to protect the employee and keep them safe in their work place. Right. And what about support on a more broad scale . Are you getting any support from the european union, the european commission, the European Court of human rights . Is there any measurable market support coming from europe as you, as you take this on or not . Yes, john. Now that is something that i am working with the irish human rights and equality commission. And i had a recent success in regards to a company that was violating human rights on ice. And we stood our ground and, and thank god they have them being forced to introduce an ethics on human rights policy. And that is a real success because to individuals. And it came to me and to provided that personal statements. And um i, i brought it to a government policy over government policy makers. They didnt want to know the health and safety car seat. They didnt want to know. Um and i, i basically exited on linkedin and lo and behold, thank god that company now as a introduce their, a, a call and see and their human rights policy. Good. And tell us a little bit about the politics of, of all this is this part is an issue in ireland, a political issue, or are you getting support or even opposition across the political spectrum . Well, its, its funny. You should say that john, because we have a situation where we have a coalition. So we have a number of policies that form governments. Its very difficult to pin and a govern Government Official down or minister down. Mm hm. And we find that the department of enterprise trading and telling me to although they did matrices, they are still considering whether to go forth with the proposal we have, we have them provide it to them. We have and because i, i think you might know that ireland is itd be, gosh, in Northern Ireland as well, which is 6 counties. Now my recently mess with naomi long who is the leader of the Alliance Party in up in Northern Ireland and also their hon. Um we got, youve been tastic perception of there and it looks like that they will hopefully in the, in the coming months and take this situation seriously. So and if, if, if its a little so i know norland well bringing upon an anti bullying policy because they, they, their system is slightly different to ours. We cant bring it all in together. I mean, what would really stop at our and doing the same thing and we, we, you know, we could just be amazing. We, we, we could, um, our internet is a national card. Theres cuz you know, see that our little island, the island of north darling i brought in and not the building policy to protect workers and employers am alike. And to form a form at a very strong policy and procedure on remedy for workplace bullying. We are speaking with, with the blower and active as Jennifer Foster about bullying. Were going to take a short break and come right back and talk with jenny about her own story and was of long stay with us. The. 2 2 2 the, the ssl for the cuz it also were getting the business and you can even put the b, e a w. Those shows you how many comes for you. Well just go through with his desktop, should not click for those ceiling and provide your stuff such and shot even was not im sure of the different considering for which of course, and you usually throw in the wisdom of the product and youre still the shortest. You, through your deos that i sent to you yesterday, isaac care to tap through. Usually im do okay. 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Welcome back to the whistle blowers. Im john to reaku. Were speaking with anti bullying activist whistleblower and human rights advocate. Jennifer foster. Jenny, thanks again for being with us. Oh its, its a, its a pleasure. Its a pleasure dont john q . Thank you jenny. Weve been talking about the psychology behind bullying and id like to know about your own story. What got you involved in working against bullying . How did this all begin for you . A lot of is a personal experience. I hodge, am i my life is bullying in my work place. I worked in hospitality and uh it was a case this i raised on behalf of others. I was working on results, my insured at the time. And i raised at 3 and grievances of items and bullying at the time because it was, i actually didnt realize that one was quite serious. And it was, in fact mister per appropriation of government funds. And i quickly realized i was in an, you know, very hoarse or so therefore engaged. And as i said earlier, engaged a lot of government departments. I engaged me when i closed because i realized that not only was i in danger, but the people that i had named in, in, in the grievances were also in danger. So thats really the walk of me involved. You written about coming into contact with bullied people who had attempted suicide or who had suicide will ideation. How did you use those experiences to transition into activism . It was ice. I realize very quickly, havent started the badger working lives throughout. May i see that on my profile i was kind of get and, and you know, and bigger and bigger, our people who are contacting me personally, i just did not feel equipped for us. So i engaged in charge the call suicide or as divide. And they gave me some at are they gave me a try, a training, which is called a supports or Training Course in order for me to be able to carry you safely. Listening service for somebody who feels bullied, im sorry, suicidal may be bullied in the work place. Um so yeah, i mean, i have engaged with quite a number on them of people that have um, either attempted suicide or pads, suicide, or the ation. And this is not a nice place to be for them. And for me to try and guide them was very frightening bus. And i have had a lot of success and im delighted for that. They do feel protected by me, a lot of people and feel protected by me because i do feel protective of them in general, the worker, i feel very protective of them. Thank goodness. Tell us about the legislation that you worked on and pushed through the lot through into law in the republic of ireland. And there we have and actually we have just proposed like just to its not even that just relation at this stage. Okay. Proposals to the department of enterprise trade unemployment. So we are hoping john, dash r administers will see the merits of this were really positive and i havent received an answer from the minister. I think he is thinking very carefully because the climate is just right now. I think people have had enough on our commission. We have 2 members of the Defense Forces who are actually the women of honor who have been bullied into around wise and uh and has uh they work separately to us. But they, but their advocates for the bass are working on small kamisky and the stuff has uh, they recently met our prime is to reach to our t shirts and our toner. So which is the deputy prime minister. And we, and hopefully there will be a staff stray inquiry. So i think people have just added enough jobs and it is time for us to protect people in their work, places against bullying. Are there any laws in europe or elsewhere that might serve as a, as a template . Lets say for awhile into account. Thats the problem. And this is exactly where we are asked. It was one of the questions our minister asked is do we have a task placed suite and theyre looking to bring in some sort of them as like a logical and safety legislation. I havent been able to get a guess and guesses at the moment. But they are looking to do it sometime this year. So that would be, id say that it would probably be fairly on the same lines, but were looking for. And were, were basically looking for a situation where a bully person does not have to go through a tribunal and then a separate call case, the guess remedy. Because at the moment that is the case. And if you dont win in the course, it can cost you very dearly. So, and a lot of people by the stage theyre so psychologically bullied and answering their so. So until its pretty damaged that its almost impossible for the person to face a very stressful core case, right . Jenny . Where should people go . What should they do if theyre being bullied . Whats the standard procedure and how can our viewers learn more about the work that you do . A rice. Well we, i, we, i am fast, we have a long list and dr. Task, a, Catherine Phillips who is from canada. We have stats as myself and to katherine are the co founders of the hash tag, bullied to movement, and we have a website and which we will explain all the terminology of, of bullying. So a to and for instance, when youre in a situation where youre bullied, you dont quite understand this. And sometimes it takes so time for you to actually realize youre being bullied. And so we have an a brochure. And all the websites we have and definitions of all the different aspects of bullying. And thats at web slides is uh w, w, w dot, bullied to movement dot com. And there will be, it says its really for information only. We dont have a support group with us. Mm hm. But i am also on linkedin under Jennifer Foster at better working lives, rural, and where i can help. I do have an icon us and see people damaged in their workplace. If i can help im, we have a lot of amazing culture and contributors in our them themselves. And ive some amazing people. I rely on day and day. I dont work for local government agencies. I have an amazing person called frank. Im going to have some, i wouldnt have gotten this far as so weve got people thats and day and days and help me. They protect me as well because youve been mentioned detriment that sometimes i do get myself into hot water because i am very passionate about this subject and i go back down and i do advertise and ministers, etc. Respectfully. I would hope that i would hope they would fail because i do raise the issue and i wont stop raising the issue until legislation goes into ireland to protect people that are harmed in their work places. And finally, jenny, what advice would you give young people or even children, if they are being bullied, where can they turn . As the 1st thing you do is youre being bullied as you tell somebody that you trust and you tell them straight away before it gets worse. And also, especially for children, its very important to tell a trusted adults. And this is happening because sometimes you build it up so much in your hands that you, you are so fearful because there are people there to help. If you are an adult in a workplace, i would advise you before you actually raise it to your hate, your department that you take what its called, concert and contemporaneous notes, which is after the issue, you take notes, you make sure they do have dates, times situation so that if you do go to a job that you have a full list of all the situations that you know have happened, but then you have proof of happened on any emails or anything else that you can, you can provide. Its a difficult one, john. Ill be very honest with you sometimes. You know, you would think its easier to walk away then go true. And the rigors of the age or departments which sometimes unfortunately, they are not working for the employee. In some cases they are working for the employer and um i, i sometimes feel that it is a really difficult decision to make me document document document. I would like absolutely documented everything. Absolutely everything you can never go wrong. I want to thank our guest. Jennifer foster for joining us in for the important work that shes doing. And id like to thank our viewers for tuning and bullying is never fun. Never, its a cool and terrible thing to do to someone. If you are being bullied, know that it is not your fault. No one deserves to be bullied. Ever. The brilliant actress, Octavia Butler once said, not everyone has been a bully for the victim of, for everyone has seen bullying and seeing it has responded to it by joining in or by objecting by laughing or by keeping silence by feeling disgusted or feeling interested when you see bullying, do the right thing and you know what the right thing is. Im john to reaku. Thank you for watching the whistle blowers until next time. 2 the so what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have is crazy. Taishan. Let it be an arms race is on all sides. Very dramatic. The only personally, im going to resist. I dont see how that strategy will be successful, very create ticket of time. Time to sit down and talk the why the middle of the 20th century, the portuguese colonial empire was in an acute crisis. A particularly 10 situation had developed in mozambique the people of this country were put in a humiliating position, income inequality ramp, and illiteracy. 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