i the new form with the model of the wood with the model of the mire there was a it was a ritual but just to go home or yes my way normal. i was were it was going to be true or it was world which were all. choices shop or were. you supreme to where i am. now here she is. see the corners in there. would you bring that phone cord in somebody's up no not only did cream bring met him but he brought it in and dropped the other another portion of it in the purse that's yes that's absurd i bet what happens here is she says he knocks her out on the kitchen floor and they're like that doesn't work doesn't work renee not good enough didn't didn't he do it in the living room look at this photo look i want to see you oh yeah. the truth doesn't fit with renee's no concise no i want to see your real place and. i think you heard that some wishful thinking mike i don't think there is a real police report i mean. i just don't. maybe they sort of knew there were days confession was not so good or not true and so they didn't really want karim because they didn't really believe that he was there . that or that it happened like that and so if they get him in there and then they could end up with nobody. one taking on a case like rene's the danger is always the case evidence for the crime scene evidence has not been preserved. if there's no crime scene evidence or case evidence. then there's nothing to d.n.a. test and if there's no d.n.a. to test it's extremely hard to prove that your client is innocent and. that's really. the hearing. in rene's case it was a very bloody crime scene the murder weapon was never found but there was a purse that. had a bloody fingerprint in it and there was a drawer in the bedroom with a bloody fingerprint on it the d.n.a. tested some things but not those and the only d.n.a. found at the crime scene was the victims. and i think out of 41 pieces of evidence they tested 7. for d.n.a. and so you know they're in trouble right at trial because you can't get convicted on your own confession alone so they go and they try to round up jailhouse snitches but only one worked. so it was her confession and a jailhouse snitch which is so common in false confession cases and you have the confession and then the extra evidence because there's no physical evidence corroboration to the confession snitch. no i. have no particular oh. oh. ok. do you mind if i said this. is all. good that's ok you know. oh it was. before the bottle. do you remember interacting with any of the police officers back then. a student was named was very it is in some of. my impression looking back thank you all hear she's guilty well she's guilty and eagle make sure you know you can sometimes it was. so now we know i was my d.n.a. so. somebody yelled. out. it was one of the things that's one of the things that we hope to be able to do is retest the d.n.a. there's knowledge she has no chance some cases we get and we look at them and we even if we believe the person is innocent we can say well i mean there's just for a variety of reasons nothing we can do there's something we can do here but not a lot of people get exonerated. real solutions really are useless you. know the. below. average and here. is this work out. i just want to talk to you because i know how being renee trying to get her out can we come by what dr just talked to me. think is so much. we need to ask close the most important thing to so how she was to what her actions what the police were. being done. with andrea you know in my life me every day and he didn't have a car with a. promise you anything like where you're going to get out to let me out. here when you write great i want to get out and so you actually did get out thank you we really appreciate it. ok so that's good that's helpful. let's talk about lorenzo montoya. 3 years on 1 pm oh. time was right now is why you want to. be alone didn't immediately you know there were there were. dan burton being interviewed a. lot of them so on. monday morning. when rendell montoya was arrested in the year 2000 and accused of a murder of a young schoolteacher in denver. he's 14 years old friends when this happened and he is tiny like maybe 110 pounds very young a one year older. the overlap between meltzer and lorenzo is a mountain they tell him there's these videotapes that show him abusing children which there aren't in lorenzo's they actually go as far as to have him take his shoes off and they do this whole charade where this very angry cop comes back in with the shoe and says well i'm a shoe print expert and your shoe. the print at the crime scene was untrue. you've got to be spending way. to get up there as in the us you can call the day you are not rest until one bar or it is going to happen we've got one. window g.-r. coming down. for you there so you the 3rd are there knows where the. jail or until you are there even if you have no idea why you dare your friends. with a lot of friends every day if you were there we're going to find out now that's interesting. he didn't say we had your blood we had your saliva he said we have that to be tested basically right. there is a lawyer. the moment. i'm. hot. political. issue we'll. be. in the united states police a permitted to lie about it. and tell you right out of that we have a. lot of fast. that is a shocking discovery to most people most western countries don't permit it the u.s. supreme court permits it so consequently you have 2 detectives making it seem as if we have independent evidence they sometimes will get very specific about what that evidence is tell. you were involved in something they've already started that shaping process and the mother already is believing. this is crude oil. so they need to actually physically hold it out of the ground he would have well well well well well well well well well. there's a lot of money with the oil and with that comes. a lot of a lot of people from all over the country. who don't make a $100000.00 a year. as a minimum there is an issue. here in the. they were told $60.00 a day hard work well work it's not easy work and so they want to relieve their stress and how do they relieve their stress these men move back out like that comfort these many. people have been murdered up here people been raped there are massive drug issues up here you have a boom you have everything else that comes along with money. zillah going to see both of you. dead already. is a little bit isn't it. is it. true that the brain is you that you're showing that even better to savor it. so you did you mean mistake so he just introduced the word mistake he's about to develop this theme that enables lorenzo to admit some degree of involvement while minimizing his own role is part of a package of techniques that in which you communicate to is suspect that i think you're a good person i understand what you've been through i sympathize with what you've been through often you hear normalising statements like you know what if i were in your situation i would have done the same thing and all by the way i don't think you intended to do this i think it was an accident or maybe your friends put you up to it or maybe you were provoked me to feel that it was the red zone. i don't think you'd ever done it. i did want to jack the car into one that did. the communication moves in one direction it is designed to leave the person the suspect think the police don't think this is such a big deal. and therefore be treated with leniency ok so one of my choices either i can be the accomplice who refuses to speak or i can admit to what they want me to admit to given all of the minimisation that they've given me and enjoy the benefit of that who are going to go. you. know how do you press they're going to do that big look at how much they have communicated already he now knows so much about this crime that whether he was there or had anything to do with it or not he now knows enough about it to give you a description. so why were you there. we're. here at sleaze house through the narrow. things in the computer and here. nature g.r. who kicks you in the head of course the building a story for him to tell. or is it you know a great ridge those shoes wrote part of the dre shoes. brazill position. your jaw is just right he's now being set up so that when he's ready to give a statement he knows exactly what that's the back. gate he was kicked in the head shoe dragging her through the blood. he's got it all so later a judge and the jury is going to watch the final confession and they're going to be so impressed and unable to look past that because they keep on asking themselves what happened in all those things if he was in there right. stare me down. you leave that up. i just want your prior 5 minutes you wait it up you know. you're not going home tonight i can guarantee that. and they do not question is you'll be home for her which will be boys you know. you. talk now or say goodbye to your mom it's a pretty clear and your cousin and your sister is your goal in your life. is you ready. to. the. ruins of. what kim and in this one person do. self-will the situation anything i guess you could hold out rank for everyone you just fall down. doesn't everybody have a breaking point so why must. he was in prison for 14 years so he got out at 28 he was in solitary confinement for 4 years because when he goes into a grown up prison he's 14 and he can't be in with the general population so he goes to solitary confinement for 4 years for $14.00 to $18.00 lorenzo was exonerated and we have a similar rights to pending for him and the. opposition are you know they're they're moving to have the case dismissed based on qualified immunity for that. and if you're being interrogated you're not being interrogated because they're just looking for information you're being interrogated because they want you to confess . so today we have a 1st on wrongful conviction which is that we have a retired n.y.p.d. homicide detective among other things current private investigator i'm pleased to introduce you j. sol peter welcome thank you very much and thank you for having me so. how the hell are we going to get this fixed i believe the remedy seems like a long shot to me it's going to take forever well the beginning is basically that all confess you know all interrogations or the audio and audiotape. and i think that would stop at least 75 percent of his films confessions i don't know how you're going to get away with it i'm a bit of criminal justice system as a straw looking at prosecutors from we be you would false confessions faster with making noise that make prosecutor culpable i mean that's a frustration with the civil rights work is that the prosecutors are always absolutely immune it doesn't matter what they did they could have gotten right and punched the kid in the face and they would we cannot get any liability. and of course the. police are allowed to use trickery and i know every defense attorney in the world is against that. so we talked about how out of these 4 cases you know corey and melts and lorenzo have all been exonerated by rene you know her case remains active and she's been in prison now for 20 years her son grew up without a mom she you know he has she's grandkids now that she's never met other than on a phone through glass. if she said to heart attacks while she's been in prison and it's probably not getting the right medical treatment for that you know we're just hoping that you know time could be on our side and we can get her out sooner rather than later but i mean she is a. a life that's. wasted. good morning how are you. ok. how is your heart. out and. i think a. half hour track. a are. very. hard. i know. have you don't play some together it's ok i understand some difficulty and i know that it's taking a lot of time but. we don't want to mess it up rene we all are only going to get one shot at best. to just hang in there. and promise you there will be an end and i hope it's a good one but there won't be an end. to military. service of the disease newsmen there are bears and do. gooders and. those who knew the system is missing the biggest ones turns into will not do this thing. so you. do believe you do. that got him close. to. us he in any way blame himself for i think so control ending and 1st thing they all do with it my own observations from talking to wrongfully convicted people is those who were wrongfully convicted by confession are not doing this well the stigma they attach to themselves they feel weak nat'l stupid they don't understand what happened how to come down to themselves and even when the convictions overturned if the reason they were convicted was a confession as opposed to something else the stigma attached to the state even after they were exonerated right people are not quite 100 percent sure i get the confession is so powerful that even therefore it's supposed to evaporate. so corey today is he's living well right he got a huge settlement but it doesn't take away those demons in his head you know he's a he was in from 16 to almost 30 so what are you now when you come out he's never going to have the mental peace and rest that you know you and i can probably accomplish sometimes but he has lost his whole family there's no relationship with them really. and that's something that the thing my opinion the city in the prosecutor's took away from him right that money can't replace. combatants in society you don't you don't know when to do it and cherry. don't know what to do or. so it is sort of your brain. will be the morning. star over here. staunchly johnno lugo whatever the journey may be. if i'm going to stand in the house you know from wonder. being free. it really is. a problem that you know is systemic right it's a problem that victimizes a lot of people you have the the person who falls in compresses who's life is ruined you have their family whose lives are ruined you have the victim we know they're still alive and the victim's family who think they're getting justice but they're not and then you have multiple other problems that come from this main one being that by definition when we walk up the wrong guy we stop looking for the right guy it's really a. it's a it's a tremendous challenge. i think it's a cultural problem we need a whole societal education about this our criminal justice system is based on the premise that it's better for 10 guilty people to go free than one innocent person to go to prison right i mean that is a fundamental concept of the american justice system but i think that the lying is one of the main things that they are somebody as well i just guess the courts don't get it. every story will false confessions not just a story that gets into question why in god's name did an innocent person confess to a crime he or she didn't commit it's a 2nd story and 2nd story line is how come the prosecutor the judge the jury the appeals. mr. there is now ample research actual cases laboratory studies field studies and 100 plus years of basic psychology tells us when you lie to people about ever to lie to people about reality you can change their perceptions and change their memories or you can change just about every aspect of their color or function. everybody's human everybody has more for his brain point. the trouble with donald trump is that he exploited entirely the counter unlike my legacy he was much more successful than hillary clinton at appealing to people on the level of culture and heart and national identity and all that sort of thing but as with demagogues throughout human history he exploited emotion especially dark emotions like fear and hatred and resentment to serve only his own interests not the interests of the nation at large. to. some control for a middle class to homeless of a night most some are very hardworking people who want to get a had that i'd either have some some health issues or have some 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