Your mind and every time our interview iranian officials including yourselves there are always trends that regardless of who is in power in the United States they american policy especially these of your country never seems to change and yet just a few days ago you panda a very interesting article for Foreign Affairs in reach you wrote that the new administration tend shad to fail to some sense of the past and quote seek to promote peace and call mitzi in the region that is such a huge rhetorical its here and what makes you believe that no i actually never. Mean we never closed the door to a possibility youve always been far more sharper in your descriptions of possibility and we still believe that the United States policies have been disastrous for our region not just the trumpet ministration policies but the policies. The previous administrations and i think in the our security you mentioned i mentioned some of those areas of us. Disservice to security i dont call me but you know theres been very very soft and extremely diplomatic terms far more diplomatic than your usual style. I guess its intentional but we want to show that the United States can change its policy now its just time for the by didnt ministration to abandon a policy not because of the goodness of their heart but because of the fact that that policy has faith President Trump started to use a maximum pressure policy. To build a clear intention of bringing it on to its knees they face it and anybody in their right mind would try to change at the prochoice and that is what we suggested now joe bidens team is dominated by the old hands of the Administration May of whom you know personally many of them were directly involved in negotiating the 2015 deal so i guess psychologically they would be eager to sort of reaffirmed our own creation that is its really still a good policy both for iran and for the region because as im sure you would agree if. The events on the ground have changed dramatically since 2015 whether the events on the grounds have changed and. The realities of the nuclear deal happen. It is it was based on changing. From approach our mutual as you know some approach to Something Different and now u. S. Administration. Exhibited clearly that it could not theyve been anything other than a 0 sum approach but that its possible for them to change that mentality which is reminiscent of the cold war. Its yet to be seen be not that optimistic but we dont close the door i dont think theyll find it but a comprehensive did because had it been possible to do a comprehensive deal we would have done it 5 years ago before all ds negative atmospherics thats because by the trump administrator you would also agree that the deal doesnt exist in a vacuum and there is a why believe especially in the american Political Community that for example the bloody war in yemen which a bomb administration initially supported as a way to sort of sways the saudis was the price to to pay for the stillborn j. C. B. Away on the top of that your saudi neighbors have since accelerated their weapons procurements your israeli neighbors have seemed to have become a bit more brazen in their as he ran in policies arent you concerned that resurrection of this deal may actually galvanize and to rein in sentiment even further and damage your country and the region more than any potential good that it can bring their. Rejection of the deed is nothing new israel and saudi arabia and the hardliners in in washington always objected to deceit always believed that it was not a good deal they were wrong then they are wrong now but as you yourself in many interviews insisted that iran was essentially punished for its compliance dont you and you will be punished again rather than destroy and were going to make sure that to be will not be punished. Can you make that we use the experience of the past been a need to be addressed by d. N. I. To states thats a favor by the United States and they need to address their own fate and that is why we have said agreements are not Revolving Doors you cannot enter an agreement and leave that agreement simply because of your own desires or your own wishes is particularly in the new in the j. C. A procedure spelled out in indeed because this was made. A lot of mistrust it wasnt based on mutual trust it was based on mutual distrust mistrust so we want to make sure this time better then i just say this with live by the terms of the deal rather than by by its own desire minister with all due respect what tools do you have to ensure that the United States leaves by the deal because they have they know how politics is this days they have all the tools to punish you for your compliance or for that you know that all imaginary. Mistakes but do you have the ability to actually apply that pressure to them actually we do and that is also written in that into the deed benda United States decided to punish us we had 300 kilograms of enriched uranium today we have 4000 kilograms so your method of punishment is the size of your. Domestic the punishment is the machinery that has been put into the deed to ensure compliance this year has mechanisms to punish any site that the deed not the United States left to deal with in a much worse condition than than today than it. Left indeed we were running only on ones video very small. Ability to to enrich uranium now we are building our 6 machines with almost 20 times the ability oh boy ones so the ones who lost at the end of the day if they were trying to limit iranian enrichment capability now in your article you posit that the good will begets good well and you know when joe biden for many years perhaps even decades i read somewhere that he has your personal cell phone number do you think i actually or my personal cell phone number has changed since i left. Fast here and you want to see him again do you think that that personal connection i dont know how deep it is but do you think it will sell a tape any diplomatic if it may make it through joe biden and ive are not buddies to me represents 2 Different Countries with different policies he was a senator and i was a permanent representative to the United Nations ve had many civilized meetings invision me disagree but visibility. I think. Is the basis for understanding but again its not just on the issue of whos in the white house is the issue for us is what do you do if you look at the j. C. Puree is not just the signatures that counts in the j. C. Pewit in the new kid but in fact the impact of that signature should the effect of that signature on riveting making to see that if they have if they return to duty with full effect benefiting date on in people knowing that their policy of maximum pressure has already faded then we are willing to go back to the full terms of the deal now you mentioned the iranian people and the biden Foreign Policy it still has a. Already they come up with a new slogan for that vision they call it the Foreign Policy for the middle class both you and i started in the United States i think we would agree that ordinary americans i dissent compassionate people and surely they would not some for that. Rainy and concert Cancer Patients being last without lifesaving drugs but thats was the case even under obama it got much much worse and human terms on the trump i are really hoping that joe biden will be able and will be willing to use human eyes american Foreign Policy even save your country to extend that he could actually accomplish this lofty goal of again being Foreign Policy being representative of the wishes and aspirations of ordinary americans of the middle class well that would be a tall order but i think they can start in the right you have i think is the policy of unit astral sanctions is basically a policy of Economic Warfare or even worse a policy of economic terrorism because they target individuals who with the intention of changing policy that is they target individuals who put pressure on individuals. For the individuals who put pressure on their cause this never works they need to change their approach to carrot and stick your approach is used for animals not for human beings and i think the american middle class have to come to the senses to understand that this policy of carrot and stick does not work with human societies it has all newbies always produced the unintended consequences and it will continue to produce on it and its not useful i think if they produce a lot of pretty bloody intensive consequences as well but speaking about how. Well you can make it happen both iran and the United States indicated that youre willing to go back to the terms of the 2015 agreement provided that certain conditions mad by the other side as you know better than i did that theyre very Strong Political reasons and for both parties not to be seen as being 1st do you think there is a room for some sort of a mutual accommodation that would not make either party seem like its losing say though we have no intention of. Doing the u. S. Face what is very russian and that you could be very into deep. Into to the United States was the party that left a deep imposed pressure on iran now if they come back to the deed start implementing their obligations then we have no reason not to go back to full implementation we have shown time and again that we comply United States doesnt have a good record of compliance even during obama let alone trump so they have to prove their brotherhood fish and then ask for instead of the saying goes you need. Proving brotherhood is a very tall order but minister lets take a very very sure they are saying that they just before before they ask for you have to test if you have to become a member absolutely and by that i mean theyre given the a very complicated history of the United States and iran that im not sure even sure that that particular saying applies in this particular case the United States says it is obligations so its not in duties. It has broken Security Council resolution that it sponsored is just. It cost to come back to comply i mean the United States may have been used to in dealing with other developing countries all the basics as they say is in the us having the cake and eating good too doesnt portray that oh well minister lets take a very short break right now we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business im showbusiness ill see you then. Secret prisons are not usually what comes to mind when thinking about europe however even the most prosperous can be deceived. There were too few whosis were. Preserved were located. To the story investigators covered the darkest dealings of the secret services but i mean the great ignore. For justice. Welcome back to the parts bitter and foreign minister. Minister earlier this month iran announced its. Intention or actually its commitment to enrich started to. 20 percent purity reach technically speaking is a major step as you alluded to developing the capacity for weapons grade enrichment and some people in the washington interpreted that as a way all putting time pressure on the Biden Administration now you said there is no hurry but there is also the mastic factor and there are in 5 months time there will be a new president in your country perhaps even the new foreign minister. Is there any rush as far as. You know trying to save the remaining potential of the. Legislation by our parliament which has now become law. Its a branch are required by law to respect that and to abide by. That includes and richmond to 20 percent which is totally justified under j. C. Under paragraph 36. 00 of j. C. Puree that in response to noncompliance by one party and other party can also start reducing fully or partially did obligations so we have done that now. In. Probably february 21st 22nd days another requirement that comes into play and that is ending compliance for the Additional Protocol to. All these are voluntary measures that he has. Limited the inspections not no inspections at all but more limited inspections and then there are other measures that are required into legislation including production of uranium Metal Production of higher and reached your a m. D intentions of our parliament this just stated intention of the parliament was to encourage. Other participants to come to compliance not to play with time. You can do both in fact youre adding one through another youre encouraging by playing with time well. Why why whats wrong with that i mean they say they have all or nothing to you and we are ready to continue to. Resist pressure. And at the same time be are ready to continue to cooperate. Option is open to the United States unto d e u u z d e your husband basically watching on the sidelines they claim that they are members of jaish e but they have not done anything they have not paid any price you have to pay a price you mean you cant you cannot swim without getting good europeans have tried to be a member and all together it doesnt work that technically speaking of the 2015 agreement were to be reinstated it would require shipping enrich uranium out of the country most likely to russia has that been a part of your negotiating edge and that during this visit having touched on that best and your i dont know we discussed in great detail what can iran and russia do together in order to ensure proper implementation of the of the agreement including how we can cooperate with each other and how russia can play a major road in bringing d. N. I. Just seize back to compliance issue over exchange of. Rainier the one issue that the. Last time it can be easy. To destroy now youve spoken a lot about your does then for the trump policies but i think one ironic thing about the tons of ministration is that it was able to free itself of any commitments but at the same time in force the commitments of others and by that i mean 1st and foremost russia and china because they sounds that clause this un restrictions on transfer also conventional weapons to iran expired in the last year and yet because of trans executive order because of his threats of sanctions that ban is a fact of really in place not really not really well. Getting anything from beijing or moscow well beyond negotiating with beijing must go and do you know military contracts are not something that you publish in a newspaper but we are in consultation with russia and china and russia has announced so as the chinese that there are no do it impaired humans to to selling weapons to iran and by the way i said before d. X. Variation of the deadline that were not going to go on a buying speech we have other priorities mean were dealing with cove it just doesnt buying vaccines from russia and china really dealing with other economic. Emergencies in it on so im not sure procuring arms would be the highest on our list of priorities now you personally like to stress that theyre on doesnt account to any pressure but a lot of. People believe that it was their program or that complain of maximum pressure that ultimately brought iran to the table back in 2016 that leading to the agreement in 2016 was that the case and what was it about obamas approach that ultimately persuaded you to start working with them can they do it again because its the same people really if you look at the proposal that he made to the Bush Administration in 2005. In march on march 23rd 2005 in paris to the east 3 who sure negotiating during the Bush Administration compared it to. You see that we followed the same basic principle so we didnt change all of that Pressure Campaign pressured them into compliance no you see the fact that the Pressure Campaign didnt work brought to obama to send a letter to iranian leaders through the omanis that they were bidding to accept any and enrichment the reason the efforts favored was that both in the Bush Administration was pushing for 0 enrichment and the book europeans gave in to that now in 2013 what changed was obama accepting in a message that he said just to do your monies that he was reading to accept iranian enrichment show with his economic pressure pushed him into accepting that i do not know but i know that that reality that pressure on iran doesnt work brought him into the understanding that he had to change policy i think had even trump stage one more he wouldve come back to the reality that maximum pressure doesnt work on it and now one of the hallmarks of a bomb as policy was this tries to create some sort of every general balance at least 3 Tariq Ramadan everybody understood that america still prioritized israel and saudi arabia but i think there was some understandings that you need to give something to your adversary as a collateral for a lasting peace. Do you think that by that administration will share that notion that you actually have to you have something to get something in return and i think for their own sake. They have to come to the realization that providing blanket blind support to anybody would not be in their interest to have provided blind support to israel and you see that the menace that you have been in the into palestinian they have provided blind support to saudi arabia and you see the menace in the effort in yemen so any blind support by the United States any sense of patronage to says and allies that they can do something anything as a spoiled child is bound to create more and more trouble for the United States and actually blind the United States into permanent presence in this region and permanent protection for deone rude behavior of some spoiled kids speaking of peace and 2019 the iraq introduces the foremost Peace Initiative also known as hope which is based on principles of respect for solvency to tauriel integrity no interference of knowing the regional actors in their Regions Affairs essentially you are asking the americans and their western allies not simply themselves how realistic is that with this Incoming Administration its. Pretty clear term says that it wants to reassert the american role in the world well i think deny to stage and the us need not be asked they will come to the us going to show themselves that it is not in their interest the world has changed we have a multitude of players we have a transfer of the centers of power we do not live in a best center. And they will have to come along and they have to accept that reality now if they see china. As an emerging power that is going to surpass the United States in terms of economic power they see the presence of russia in resolving major conflicts its not the United States that resolve big the conflict in syria is russia iran and tekkie that are resolving the conflict in syria as well the United States at resolving the problem in qatar its again russia plus regional countries as are doing thats realisation. And also europe you heard what the europeans said about cut about and you heard what happened incredible i want to ask you one more question about americas arab. Allies because i think during the years as trump many persian gulf countries believe that they can sort of redraw the political map of the region of while the United States is minding its own business but i think it is getting increasingly clear that that bill its its you assess things on the ground is limit especially in places like red state or libya qatar and many others rather than calling for a lesser role in the United States dont you think that paradoxically you and others with benefits from a more from a bigger presence of the United States in the original at least in terms of disciplining him being more principle that its own allies the United States needs to be bored principle business or not at least were not asking them to cut their relations with that allies were just asking them to allow the region who deal with its own problems without hope for foreign interference i think what has prevented our neighbors in the region to come to terms with iran is the hope that they were some of them were hoping to fight iran to the last american soldier that did not materialize during trouble it will not materialize during any other us president now theyre pinning their hopes on israel and israel has never been a protector for anybody they can hardly protect themselves so i think its time for our neighbors to come back to the neighborhood this neighborhood. In the neighborhood need security and stability in our neighborhood others known this is the need security and stability in our neighborhood we have welcomed the russian proposal for security arrangements in the persian gulf we have made as you said our own Hope Initiative so we have enough. Groundwork for Regional Security we only need to change the mindset you cannot theres just security from outside the United States can send you a lot of our because he cannot sell you security well its always a pleasure talking to you thank you very much for this honor good to be with you and thank you for what you hope to see. On worlds apart. Smoke i dont they couldnt fathom it my grandmother one of them one of the one whom you know better than a lot of focus has to get a. Lot of. I think. She was you make. More of the industry in. General but from the sun on my book you go to the british of course thats one of our family. I mean the guy. 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