Although you dont choose the wine before. Just how do you explain the fact that during a pandemic we know antonio good terrorism. He wanted a worldwide ceasefire. Why was there this barrier arch of aerial bombardment from the Israeli Air Force on damascus . And this happening as we hear of netanyahu going to saudi arabia denied by the saudis, and to the blinken. This old obama era official being selected by joe biden to be the next secretary of state. So what i think 1st of all the main aim and at the moment, and the main aim that netanyahu, how deicing, with these visit to saudi arabia could meet m. B. s, the crown prince. The 1st priority for relief for israel is to get iran at the top of the agenda for the administration. The same coming administration will have many other domestic shoes to deal with. Its not clear whether they will control the senate or not. Its not clear theyll get their agenda through and he wants to put iran really sort of front and center. So this is a way of calling attention to it. Calling attention to iran, if you like, what he would term adverse regional role. And i think the other aspect of whats going on is to sort of heighten the tensions because the railroad was the main reason i think for the visit to saudi arabia was to agree a few reichen agenda with the saudis, about iraq. Where are we going to stand and iraq . I mean, i think, i mean, this isnt this character tony blinken has previously said about talk about regime change in syria and the renewal of that. But you expect this is very much because of lincoln and biden support for the j. C. P. O, a Nuclear Agreement with iran, some type of attempt at, for stalling a resumption of that agreement. Yes, i do. I think what they were doing is, you know, you have at one end of the sort of spectrum, youve got a bomb, a sort of project. And then at the other end you have the 12 conditions, maximalist conditions laid down by palmdale. And i guess they fear in israel and the sincerity arabia, that it will be closer to the end of the spectrum, closer to the a bomb, a with a few changes on sectoral as is another things like hers. Whereas netanyahu probably wants it as close as possible to the erection, to the maximalist position that laid out in it in his conditionality, but talks with iran are engaging with iran and somewhere in between the true dale hope to meet. But i think actually its unlikely they will meet. I think what they were doing in saudi arabia was fixing a very tough agenda for the United States. Negotiated, if there are negotiations with iran, iran has said very clearly, its not going to negotiate toll until america comes back into compliance with the j. C, p o 8. And sorry, if said the only way to do that is hes got to comment. Theyve got to come in line with the Security Council resolution 2231 which falls into it if you write that, that j. C, p o, a text. So he says, if you can come in with that and be get rid of all of the sanctions, all of the adverse things have happened since you can do it through executive orders. Then maybe we can talk. But i think that speech by zarif met the degree of criticism him back in iran. Fall saying that was an old friend of biden knows him quite well from his time when he was in new york and feels as a possible chemistry. But i dont think that thats really likely to take it very far. And at the moment, washington is putting on its new sanctions. They promised sanctions every week. But whats different, whats important about these sanctions is that these are not sanctions on the nuclear issues. These are making inskeep type sanctions. I think she was dealing with Human Rights Violations and birth of a matter of but not the nuclear issues. The closer to god, i am my thanks to my the trauma ministration, of course, by the drama, ministration, tone drunk. Of course believes the we won the election, the input, so who is going to win and just, he explained, so are israel are those who we believe israel when it says that its destroying in reining in targets in syria and, and wine. Why is there be no socalled, Mainstream Media reporting of ass strikes on the capital city of a major country in the middle east or mainstream reporter these days has for all the sort of rather eccentric, certainly in terms of the United States. I mean large elements of whats happening in the world are just not reported to the nothing with the b. B. C. Here in britain either. Not, no, no, i know, but theyre all, theyre all following the suggested or up items women coming in, that its going to be, you know, back to back to the office, you know . But i think that actually whats happening with iran is that biden is over, baby is asking for too much from the us. And hes saying he wants to bring in all of the gulf states, saudi arabia. Israel must be, must be in agreement with that. The israeli ambassador said the campian agreement, unless israel is at the table, they want to get rid of the sunset clauses. They want to change other aspects of it. Im not sure that iran will do that, so theyve made it very clear they dont want to. And whats changed is iran has new options, theres rusher and china. More that the American Administration of mr. Trump attacked china and russia. So the closer that has brought them to iraq. Iran has a pivotal in the planning both of russia and of china. And china has been investing large resources in or in iran quietly, but substantial resources on row way live in some old, poor korea, stablish months, refurbishing an oil field and so on. So i think, you know, iran can look east, it doesnt have to look to america at this very time. China has just opened a new market in the north, the Regional Economic partnership with 2200000000 people, one 3rd of global g n. I mean a market because of the European Union to mirror. So you really think that the threat of 3rd party socalled 3rd party in the illegal us sanctions is just doesnt work anymore. Threatening. Companies that do trade with washington and, and nato is perceived enemies. Oh, it works with some european companies, i mean, look whats happened to the, or a fair in attempts to try and get some sort of arrangement for trade with iran. All of the, i mean, certainly all of the banks and european Insurance Companies get frightened by the threat of american sanctions. But the world is a very different place from 4 years ago. America is not seen as a natural mother ship. I know that biden talks and putting come by the way, it always says, i mean its favorite. Catchphrase has always been the world is very bad, itself organizing. Thats why america has to organize it or it and i dont think those days exist. I dont think russia or china and the rest of the well are just waiting for direction or islands. Biden said, you know, to take their seat at the talk to able at the top of the table and to give it any instructions or for the world. They see whats happened during the selection. They see that the american polity is hopelessly divided. They see the konami can try natural crisis. That is taking place even as the stock market is soaring. Spain know that this is not a good place to be. Iran is, is not if you are right in this respect and does have now all other things and wouldnt give up its sovereignty, which would be certainly the sort of sum total of the demands that would be made by washington. I mean, you know, this will be a, were dollar amount of saddam husseins. You know, the americans insisting that they had to inspect his bedroom and his bathroom, which he blinken has previous on this because the he was part of the destruction of africas richest government country and libya. I mean even ok if youre not lucky enough to be here rein in as it were. And what happens if you are against israeli violations of u. N. Security Council Resolutions . I mean has, will, or m. P. s democratically elected as well are and b. s in beirut. And i used to live in beirut, then there sanctioned by the European Union. Any change for red has winner or . I mean, even for normal activists who support palestine a bit about the blinken says the media. Yes. The Boycott Divestment Sanctions Campaign is his anti semitic. Yes. I think theyre going to, theyre going to put that into legislation. No, i dont think so. I think biden is a zionist, has always been a zionist brink, and it is his parents who choose jewish. His step father was caused by i dont think were going to see much change and have tracked in israel. Theyre almost sort of welcoming it sigh. One person summed it up in this way and he said look, you know, bamma. He was just too rational. He didnt have the feel for the region a tool, whereas in their view, biden kemal are as who, but as a sign, as they feel our emotions, they understand our emotions, the emotional landscape much better for israel and quite different than it was under obama. So i dont think we should look for and think any big changes i rivera much regretted. I gives me no pleasure in saying it. But i can see, i mean i know the Palestinian Authority is now gone back into security coordination with israel and said theyll review payments to prisoners families and things like that. But you know, the, the reality is theres no peace policy. And israel, if netanyahu something happened to netanyahu, there wouldnt be a peace body. It would be more likely to be the hard right. The orthodox and the far right in israel. That will, if not, not, will not be in part, that will be the, if youre like the key swing voters and then a few chip political set up in israel. So its moved far to the right. No one is thinking of a political solution from the palestinians within israel at the moment. And the palestinians really have few cards which to play the gulf states of now shifted. Saudi arabia will, sooner or later, i guess. And europe just doesnt have, i think the will to play the set too excited by points election and dreaming that its all going to be a return to the good old atlantiss of the past. I think theyre mistaken 1000 current. Thank you. Thank you very much. In the after the break, as a fire kills 10 with coronavirus of an intensive care unit in nature, a member rumania, what is the level of neoliberal corruption . In the former moscow aligned state, the director of all scripted film collective about rumanians, previous west, tells us about profit driven corruption that echoes testimony heard this week about britains worst tower inferno, austerity emblem going underground no way to avoid it. Because it is not part of our welcome back. An inquiry has been launched in member rumania to determine how 10 patients suffering from 1000 were killed by a fire. At a Public Hospital is the deadliest fisons 2015 when hundreds of people were killed or injured at the collective night club in bucharest, echoing allegations made against authorities here in london about the grim for the new oscar attempt. Rumanian film explores how political corruption, big pharma and the state Work Together to line pockets while the suffering are arguably crushed. Collective has been dubbed the best film about journalism, since all the president s men and its director, alexander now joins me now from the rumanian capital book, arrested xander. Thanks so much. Rain has been in the news. Not just for the terrible fire also for 3900000000. 00 on patriot missiles. Theres an inquiry going on here in 2 of which killed 72 people in the poorest area of one of the richest on earth in west london. Tell me about the fire in your new film. Thanks for having me. 1st of all the fire in the collective clots happened during a concert. It was the collective judgment because of the example that many people went to concerts and such and he students. And thats why it was also such a National Tragedy of the shock because the club had no liar exits, but it was nevertheless surprised because i did partment and mary. And that led to the assumption that corruption must have been articles or ization. And the way when you watch the films are to interrupt them, or when you watch the film, you think thats the way thats the angle, the journalists are going to go on. But its different. Its different because basically the most horrible thing are that it is accident that lenders, or many people, was the fact and the owners or these lives and the remaining Health Care System and take care of them were victims which were a 180 which was a big manipulation and lie because really didnt know him early in its and that the one they had was as you see. But phil, not in a condition to treat anybody patient for a while and they prohibited everybody to be flown out to bring units want to not easily. And instead, many people died of hospital infections because our hospitals are really have to mostly productions in europe, especially now when we put our faith in the Big Pharmaceutical Companies to produce, that seems we are all hoping that they succeed in finding solutions to covert. It turns out that they were dying from infections partly because of what a Pharmaceutical Company was doing to disinfectant. Exactly. Then stan started calling thing and thats what to do lists, investigate it. There it was one Company Called texas r. R. Who was looting its disinfectants and was distributing this. Does it sentence him to 350 homes because there are many ups and what is to lose my knowledge is that the politicians and the health care of patients not only knew, but it seems that everybody was august this fraud scheme on my belly. Does he think thats what is hospitals that are already being yanked to maggie . If you can ignore everything. I thought that if you fit into your hate that you hear me right now. The thought of it or not rule out any talk on doing 80 or 90 9 out of i think that by laying on my own interest, i know it to be on the scope of the film. And what did you make of the reports that have similar dilutions, all of important medicines like that were being used on romanian soldiers in the age of operations. Exactly the same. The same disinfectants from texas pharma were also delivered by the remaining government for their own needs. Or mission with other countries. So not only remaining soldiers were getting treated, you know, into operation camps was actually farmer, but also shoulders of other native countries. He, when there was a fire here in london, the person who was associated linked with it was made a lord in your film. You have a character who obviously real because if so its a real, its dramatic, obviously than the film of yours. You have a Health Minister that actually they make progress and action actually happens because of what of the tragedy and because of the corruption. Weve not seen that here in britain because we have an ongoing inquiry. Tell me about how action came to happen in the wake of the fire and the uncovering of corruption. The only way it happened is that there were the minister of house that was appointed after the journalist got a wonder that was trying to cover that company. Was of a lot harder when the political party, so he was nonpolitical and thats why he had the courage to start before. Now what you described in the beginning, what happened was the hospital and go with patients fighting a fire in a hospital. That hospital had had 8 managers in the last 10 months. So little Political Parties basically just erase everything that this young man had done as a muse or oath. And you know, they just appoint the managers into the hospitals to steal the money. And right now, for example, this young minister of health is part of a reformatory party that existence 2 years, rumania and they do whatever they can to block him out of the media. So little cannot, you know, talk about anticorruption and reforming the Health Care System. Because i dont to give away the film or the ending of the veil. Madame the film is very optimistic in terms of the way people together can fight corruption and what happened to the 3. Go ahead. There are many stories very optimistic about a collective because while the Political Class did not change at all, the Civil Society changed totally. And we had a very strong 2 society. And in the last 2 years, the Civil Society was donations from citizens and donations from the band. Metallica that donated a quarter 1000000 euro, or build a hospital, a really big, great, modern hospital for cancer, treatment, and inability to years just to show the government that they lied, that they cannot use hospitals since the early years. Once feel a little cannot be sustained. Ok with crucial to the our story is the presence of whistleblowers. Now you might know that and with so much else, the manning in the United States of the different case he was imprisoned and tortured in the us. Really innocent. Hes in jail just near this studio. How did whistleblowers in romania have the courage to come forward and why were they not persecuted for revealing the truth about the collective other because they told the truth, that it was proven by the journalists to be right. The journalists proved it was documents. How much of a thought the arming of political people. I just have a year from going to put out of our yard to achieve them. If you wish. After that you have a point. In fact, the only fact that even the impact be that you think that if people walk, visit your queue lock up and going to sleep into my pretty close view of the impact they would of. But why did the government not persecute the journalists to cover up the truth . Like it has done . Arguably, they tried a triage and they tried, as you see in the film, detroit to, to make the scene, make them seem like all in a little investigation. Estate news, but just for you to understand the level of implication in the reading state. After too late 5 years article expired, there were 12 court cases open, including everything you see in the film. Hospital manager of you know, the politicians that lied. Hostler is the lie that they can see the patients which led to the club owners. Not a single case was pulled under the dates, but a single case in 5 years. So is it being confident of the corruption itself . Because over there and in the film, the documentation is not destroyed. Her give me documentation is often destroyed in fact, at the grenfell firing choir. Weve heard testimony about evidence being destroyed. Oh, its different because for example, what they do in the case of the patients, the kind of infections instead of their injuries, once the patients were flown out because of the pressure of a game to begin to start to die. What the doctors that an awful images they erased from their files that they told that they were effected. So basically when they arrived in our hospitals, in england, there were a lot of people treated in your consulate in europe, in brussels, in, in austria. The doctors there didnt know they infected so many took them off the medication for infections and some bite. You know what else are disturbing about the dilution of disinfectant and that america seems in this documentary about the lethal impact of that is that its clearly for profit on their part of the Pharmaceutical Company in britain. Over many years. We have tried to create more and more private health care believing that private health care create competition and that is good for health care. Or what do you think the lessons about for Profit Health care from your documentary . I see that universal health care is great and it can work and we see it in other countries, privacy it in germany, it does work, it doesnt have to be totally privatized, but the competition is never banned. It is controlled. Its a little bit like in america where when you broke an hour, you break an arm, you have to pay 10000. 00. Thats ridiculous. But you cannot have universal health care is governments that steal the way they steal now. Has your own government stealing nawas . Will investigate is going on in your nickleby crisis and they spend all the money and theyre and you need the least um, judicial system to keep 6 in balance. And thats one of the main problems. Only just systems are not able anymore to go after people in power that steal our public money. Obviously, the British Government denies corruption in its response to corona virus. It does that repeatedly, but of course we have a much worse per capita coronavirus death toll in this country than in rumania. Tell me maybe even the collective experience and the journalists, exposing what happened maybe helping the Health System cope with the coronavirus in your country. Its hard to say, i mean what i can say, and what they know from journalists is that after we released the film, the number of whistleblowers for the journalists went up, i think, 10 times a day. So people are coming forward and people start to, to unveil the corruption in the difference to state institutions over the hospitals. Unfortunately, the government right now is still in mind that there are the media has hospital infections, bitches, scientifical, nonsense. Every country has hospital infections and right now inside the hospitals remain over 90 percent of the injured babies. Over patients died most probably off to hospital infections. Well, we invite the Iranian Ambassador to london on the program. Just finally, as a filmmaker i wanted to feel like when you caught on film, one of the people in your documentary saying we are no longer human. We only care about money. About remained. Its an understatement. Its a complete understatement. See the lack of humanity. There is right in the house, just system that is leading olympics and sort of corruption. And as you say, your government says theres no corruption. They say there will be investigations going on in the garden, that it will get a paper destroyed about money are i was on a thank you and collective is out now on digital platforms in the ground fire inquiry in london takes a break today thats over the show were back on wednesday 10 years since revelations in the u. K. Guardian accused now of defaming its journalist julian, a son Jimmy Joe Biden accused the wiki leaks founder of being a high tech terrorist and his other dog youd for an obama drone strike on the father. Of 2, now being tortured in london, according to the un until then join the underground on you tube, twitter, sound cloud, instagram, and facebook. We are segregated along by social class. People also will be a 1st if youre born into a poor family. 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