A disaster on the worst mistake that 20 blair ever meet. So was this a rallying call to scottish unionism or another boris born us for Scottish Independence campaigners. This is how he defended his position, the Prime Ministers questions. I may say that hes a great guy. Our results, you will see all the broke you see on the right to me for an alternative viewpoint, alex turns to former m. P. On m. S. P. Im presiding officer of the Scottish Parliament surcharge, and thats a charge read that bothers johnson demolitions a disaster of the worst mistake that tony blair ever made. But i reckon really trying to connect. And of course, by saying it was really a jolly good st. Apart from when the people of scotland heard it or not, party committed to independence. I think the damage is done. You can see that, for example, letter in the times the other may saying the biggest disaster since the 2nd world war. Well, as some claim, when you taken the sewers and invention, poll tax the iran war and so on. But what really concerns me, alex is on the order workin, conflict resolution, as International Zone servant. And later since mark a month, where we with the full backing of the form of assad been pushing the scots, the evolution model as a means to end conflicts, set up local control of affairs and see where it goes to. Opponents will suddenly say im our wire doing that because the british Prime Minister has made it clear its a disaster. Our mission dont think its a disaster. So we have a contrast between the Prime Ministers somewhat sketchy knowledge, perhaps of the of the goings on in the parliament and her majesty the queen, who all was surprised observer selling myself a big perhaps even yourself that when she addressed the parliament, she seemed to have done a fair amount of homework, which was quite impressive. Well, the inventor of the moment coming from early isnt a great secret, tends to go backwards and forwards between the parlors and the presiding officers office, a member on a confidential basis. And maybe i just allow them some of these speeches, though, of what she should offer to help the Prime Minister about going to some a vase. But whats the reaction in scotland been to the, the Prime Ministers attack . And he says, look, he was really attacking the s. N. P. Wasnt really attacking the, the concept of devolution after all, he was a spectacularly successful mayor of london and by his own rights as a lower point there, he really was just making a political attack. Theres been a wee bit twisted out of perspective. Well, i know of you solly distinguished turk columnist to cern the problem of boriss, he suffers from verbal incontinence. And he was speaking to a small group of brakes and minded tory members from the north. He shouldnt have said that the feeling in scotland is, i think fairly, i write and politically it was very strange because there is detail polling and analysis of the stocks public and only m. R. Some percent. 8 percent. Want to see the parliament done away with. So its not terribly good politics to caucus sites are a minuscule group where one starts on burma. Its like parliament. They like a sense of this isnt making, you know, member of the better for International Audience that this phrase i write that the scots were thinking were exactly, does that mean soldiers really were listening to you, but were only thinking elsewhere there was in the, i seem to remember that some walter scott said that scots like to have a parliament because they can fling chucky stamens at the parliamentarians as a in essence, and where a Parliament May get criticized. But that doesnt mean that its not held in the affection of the people. It just means a like some because to criticise. Well, the oldest known reference of courses to the writing of the parliament are where members are to walk through bruce treats of unburned on a royal mile. And the people dont buy them the appellate stones at them. I had a very real hound and bring me that tradition back regular. If you look at the sun and record of achievement of the Scottish Parliament, it really is quite positive. And again i give it a merit like my comics. Weve heard free personal care. We have no fees at universities. Weve had care for people who are disabled or learning difficulties. Weve are marginal record of land reform where the people of this country can start buying that man back. Weve heard a ban on smoking before anybody else. We have excellent record of human rights. I could go on and on. These are solid, practical achievements and the mood of scotland, which going back to both of the Opening Ceremony at the opening of the road, emphasised the a gun and in nature of Scott Society which goes right through the professional classes on my own them as well as the people are large, theres a feeling that something more of Scandinavian Scandinavian social democracy is perhaps where scotland finds itself comfortable. And i think over 20 years theres been very solid progress towards being a more scandinavian social democratic scotland. And a deeper level. The panelist, the might have a point because given, if we accept that the Prime Minister blairs motivation for having a reconvening of the Scots Parliament was to stop in the pan. This was to stop the s. N. P. To kill the s. N. P. Stone dead as one of his cabinet ministers put it as the ball is just and right to be a bit of that mess that, that hasnt succeeded. That was really a disaster in the sense and the fulfill tony blairs objectives for it. Well, your remember, well, i center the conference were drawn from a summit. Is, can a stone dead remark . Only 3 words her of her of her ive always been of groundedness persuasion. I dont like great moment. I was always very clear as was my great colleague, new mccormick, of the professor of law at the university of edinburgh who wrote the constitution for a new stop. I was always clear. We did taken steps. You can have a glade moment forward from nothing and dont independent state. And it isnt surprising at the end of the day. Its the people of scotland who decide if they dont like the move towards independence, then they can do otherwise. The real problem and the real challenge, of course, is that a country is more or less 5050. 00 1 has to make sure if ones talking about new countries. Theres a general understanding general support for the pleasure of information before you go forward. I was struck by the fight, that was johnson when he was explaining, as the march said, well of course im a big devolution us that i was, i was mayor of london for 2 taverns. I was struck by the no dice that by the vote on the very obvious point in the london capital, a great capital because a country and therefore it was in the interest in the primus, the appreciate the difference between being the mayor of a capital city important know that and to live as being there, they 1st minister of a country is not a speaks volumes for the Prime Ministers attitude. The london, we toss the centralism of london, the concentration of resources and mom. And of course, in that respect that many of the grains you hear from scotland are perfectly reasonably articulated these days from the north of england and the midlands of england in search of british drama. But, you know, the problem is much bigger than that. I think the liberty state as presently our spirit is largely broken after braggs it, no, there is no great appetite. I think drug, the whole of the u. K. United kingdom can gauge in a bowl, but an earring, britain, you know, as it says on the british passport to let them bear a possible lead or hindrance request and require my european friends look at that and say, hey, who do you think you are rested, of course restaurant on who to 2000. 00 to remain in the European Union is frankly a major turning point in my view here in the future of the british state, a finalist such as theyve been, youve sat in the chair of the Scots Parliament have been a member of parliament, a west mostly been m. S. P. And hollywood. Where do we go from here . Whats going to happen . I bought us johnson all know. But i think everything in scotland depends on the outcome of this hellish elections in may next year. If the polls are right there will be of a large majority for independents, that may be the scotia national party, having an absolute majority or, and maybe the Scottish National party, backed by the greens, having a majority in a friendly its about democracy. If it is, if the Prime Minister in westminster simply says no, then i suppose there is a 1st step, a reference to the course and stop them then reference to the supreme court. And well see where we get to. But as i say, like most, like most commentators these days, posit misses the spine is clearly on route to independence. Amendment does make a final point here. Ive never believed in federation. I dont, they found rationed work. If you got him done, making up over 80 percent of the land mass of population of the united kingdom. But i have really didnt come the federation where starman is an equal partner in coming to common decisions. And i think curious that if you could come to is it true asian were scotland as independent only to quite freely admit zone will agree on a whole series of common agreements on travel, on work, on culture, on overseas representation. But to do serve from the position of only we decide something rather can do the knowledge of union or the benelux. So just leave the former presiding officer of the scots pound. Thank you for joining me. And theyll examine show and happy santanders there. This coming monday to hear her join us after the break, when we find out just how you fit and you became the patron saint of a country. He had never even to join nothing else to look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people i robot must obey the orders given by human beings except where such conflict with the 1st law. Should your identification or should be very careful about Artificial Intelligence to the point. Obesity is too great. On various shots and with Artificial Intelligence, real summoning the demon must protect its own existence as the excuse that if you feel welcome you start normal. God holds a member real world will know what you know. But what if in your motion cruiser it was a more important was to be with the one that you would need to be put on the still lead you to surround us some one in some new belief that there are these which youll see in the local Solutions Based on your own work would you would lose the chance to start to look at your bullshit. I look at you because i want you to do it. My job is youll be a reflection of reality in a world transformed what will make you feel safe, isolation, full community. Are you going the right way or are you being led so directly . What is true . What is faith . In the world corrupted, you need to descend to join us in the depths or inmate in the shallowness. Welcome back. The soul type isnt much use these days with this goal is man football team, enjoying a resurgence and independence campaigner thinking to take to the streets again. But time exactly. Did it become the flag of scotland . Alex picks the David Williamson chair of the scottish black trust, an author and broadcaster but telling to foster they volume some, the century bottle, the origins of the, the salt i was a National Flag to scotland. They did some time to scotlands national, saying, tell us about that. Well, there are all relates to the battle, the battle in the 2000 for the new slowly and the story has it that the scots and picks it was a joint army, had been punitive read into of somebody and they were returning with their booty and they were being chased by a bunch of angles and saxons under a one called us. And they were caught surrounded just to the north of the present, a village of our host, and prevented if you have the worse. The thought the thought that all was lost and the story has it, that its there, prayed for deliverance, and he was rewarded by a white cross, the cross of which of course said that would be martyred, appearing in the blue sky above the fighting. And he was inspired, his troops were inspired, they won the day and angus voted that having secured the victory that he would make sense to the patron and assault the flag. And that, and thats the story that we tell this to dear ethels input. But they were into this mess, cut out the fallen chairman, is that what actually happened back in the 32. 00 or is that going to be them broida later on to justify the, the patron saint and the flag . Well, of course, theres no written evidence documentation from the one sent to the pic to speed in scotland. There is nothing but what we do have in terms of evidence is all the airlie mediaval. There are writers from birth to be a major lesley to disport it would but half a dozen of them, they all are fair to the event. I think the evidence is very clear. And stanley, the, there isnt even any record that we found a lot and transcript and it refers to the battle under the fair to the, the participants, angus, and the apples. And i think theres, a great deal of documentation to support it. Philip k. , how important was the deal to scott when the managing from the dark ages into their limit deal period to claim this patron saint, and indeed to claim a National Symbol on the flag . Well, the declaration of a proof is one of the 1st declarations of National Sovereignty and then a twitter fan to mythic autogenic in giving the sivia we have sent down to repeat. And as maybe one of the reasons why russia and scotland shipped the same peach and st orson dandridge. And in that document a, weve had a much state National Sovereignty and i document eventually influenced other nations. I dont know what will, but the Russian Commission is fascinating because as evilly as the 1690s people begin to eat, made the Russian Naval flag the sin done to screw us that have asked of us and the end of his cross. And a lot of people think its just because the ship a patron saint, but evidence says that the patron saint titan really been celebrated that much in russian tradition until a lot of scottish jacobites. I lived at the court of peak of the gate in the 609700. People like odd little gordon and dave patrick got an awful lot of cookies. And it looks as if the stopping all of the, the russian or all of sent on to be based on the scottish or that of the festival, was the pv if we had to send done to this cross. The Russian Naval flag was begun. And it lasted through to the communist era, and then it was say, it was set down and then it reappear when communism was defeated. So it still used as the Russian Naval flank to date. And i had wonderful experience of being in moscow a few years ago. To make a program of on this and day i visited and spoke at the colored any and club or more school. And i got a point to go out all of the middle and off and to meet if it was off. Whos a great russian historian whos done loads in the subject of him and i, standing beside this, give me a huge flag which is half that Russian Naval fly and half this and gunners cross. So russia is fun, anything from up point of view, other places the uptake in all this and gondolas course include the american south, the battle flag of the confederacy. A is this in done to risk or society knowingly cybill. It came with that knowingly styled on the spot. The sulfide was a scottish connection to the confederacy and dauntingness alter their wards. But it was mainly mot tween called the so said walter scott plant. And it was a big influence of walter scored in the south bay that i think that the plant doctors of the people who led the south. Theres also a scottish ethnic element to bismillah, this remind tick element of so well the scots novels that influence the south you get plantations called bonnet bachmann, was doing things like that. But fascinatingly, when the so succeeded the 1st state to secede from the union was south carolina. And the document was signed in this intended a society of charleston, south carolina, which is the oldest senate and to recite in the what will that be the spot to 729th so that they have an endlessly yet another better of a story, a happy story, the end of my school and black history, cities with it, when i updated it recently, jimmy cup, we had a main 962 as they discussed, a fly off that independence minister called that evidence. William mcgee, i was friends with said alexander bustamante, a bit influential jamaican at the time. And they discussed the trick a lot. But the reverend suggested that because of the christian tradition in jamaica, they should use missile fire. So he used the green golden blot colossus, and developed at this same the end of the sole god flag. And that was adopted. And i interviewed the son of william mcgee, join mcgee, who lives in, in this group. But im just remembering. And he remembers the celibate of jamaican independence in kingston and mate in 62. And the great he felt to see all these jimmy console tiles all over the cliques. And his wish is that youll see scotland celebrate. This wouldnt depend on this of the excuse they will use. Just told us a story about the expat scots, on the run from the hand of aliens and the 18th century they saw a took the, some 105. 00 to russia in a sense. Isnt that still the, the way things are thats the news day is often more celebrated around the world by expat scots that, than sometimes as a home, or do you think thats changing . No of many, right . So the expats didnt have a lot of scotland that we are past lacking here is whats fascinating is that until he had a prominent in, in 1908, there was a lot more activity in its intended societies in scotland. And its almost as if once we establish parliament, the scots became less desirous of having to demonstrate their scottishness through it, through some thunders. They advance in standards, the balls and dinners in life. We have to receive the sometimes societies. These are the big events of the year, the new york city and thunder society, for example, one of the oldest. And i mean that is a massive event that they hold to celebrate our national day and its elam is wonderful doing that. I just wish more people in scotland perhaps would get back into the same track. So they will in some tell me for the restoration and renewal project. Whats the, what your doing . But we have, we have awful some for 2. Main structures in the church are the 1st is the memorial. The sort of memorial which is dates from 1965, consists of a major, a Massive Concrete plinth and a plaque within it and showing the battle scene and attaches a toll flag bull flag flies apparently meant to be read of a church. We have a flag Heritage Center 1583. 00. Theyd be listed ducat and that was made into an untapped of center in which people can come from all over the world. And they do have a 4 star visitor attraction, stated, we reckon theres over 100000, people have visited over the last 20 years, and people can hear the story of the, the flag in 7 languages. Now both these structures are somewhat dated. No, the duke is the howling is coming off it. The memorial 55 years old this year is starting to crumble. And we have issues as well with the access from the ability through the church art and the technology of for the audio visual sure that we have is deaf, desperately need an upgrade. So we launched an appeal, an International Appeal at the dry and raise 100000. So billy kane, i mean obviously the flag of the patron saint was really important thing i guess back in the 9th century. But in the 21st century as flying some patron saint, something we should be wanting about knows all about passing. Well, ive been known sometimes of his cross, i bought a commie or my final exams every year, their state and i took to germany for the whatll come up. 6 feet along magnificence and dundas cross. So im still flying the flag. I stewed on that, im going never since in time to discourse. Were not to base this in under sight of the state of new york. There are 264th banquet last year. I think a descent done discourse is still a magnificent symbol and a symbol of the future. A great quote by my dad, but he thought scotlands had been the presence, the butt or the past and future. Im looking to the pitcher on the course of some tundra flying over the independents fault and leaving a dusting that one cup flying and then fully in a pinch championships. And i dont see septa really well if i can got ticket. Me and the flag and the femal it will be that they will use and have the modern leave as a really so much and fast on National Symbols and flags. And things certainly has alec and country in the world. You could ask the same question to and you would get the same answer and im mad i was reminded of denmark. Has its flag been done abroad, which is, incidentally also derived from across, appearing in the sky above a bottle when inspiring the troops to victory. If you go to denmark, we go to norway, you go to any of these countries, you see the flag flying throughout the land, and we in scotland should be flying as we will be this weekend, just as vigorous the. Then williamson good lot, we arrest mission. Find good luck be a football fly. Thank you for just leave him alex of until. Thank you. Thank you. Whats in the name and whats in a flag . Obviously, quite a bit, given the sustain to tend to scots over 12. 8 years to clean the flag on the st as their own. Nowadays, since im just a is just as likely to be marked by rainbow of cultures and religions and by scots approach as much as it will. But the point is that rather like to patricks day for ireland, it is celebrated. In contrast, of course, to st. Georges stay in england. This would seem a rather dangerous ted achaeans, tightening into a change of my fear to tread, but not apparently, the Prime Minister. Its very easy for the bar. He now claims to be aimed at the s. N. P. To be taken as an attack on the status and thickness of the parliament on phoenician. The National Flag of scotland is the so far, the National Plant is a prickly fissile. And that is an old school thing, which a Prime Minister may wish to reflect upon. You may set her nose, but you can a set or nothing. And so from alex myself and all of the sure its good bye for now and stay safe. 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