Almost relationship to international folks. So biden will have a totally different policy of value of the last and above all, he seems to realize that the United States is a lot stronger to get its allies rather than to go it alone. And under. And the trump, we saw a more unilateral america going to do alone policy. And i think that will change fundamentally in one of your recent analysis of trumps afghan policy. You single out, its 3 primary strands disengaging the us from local politics, does deigning allies, you just retreated. That point right now. And the friend in our pratik leader, hes now naturally as a russian has. And perhaps that in your view as a shield for one set, arc radek leader. I want to ask you specifically, what has it mean befriending autocratic leader . Well, we had a very disconcerting closeness under trumps that for example, trump became close to Saudi Arabian crown prince. And he knows that the crown, prince was at least implicated in the murder of 6 generalists, kushal b. , and by everyone content that trump did not say a word about it, instead of that, he continued having very good relations. A lot of personal relations with members of this administration at that same also, he did not criticize what was going on in europe regarding hungry and poland and the presently, or to credit policies of these 2 countries. Cus, you know, its condemned. It is trying to do something about it. Trump has kept quiet though, saying that you would see that and that i read that proposal. R. C. Seemed to be equating public statements, rapturing to policy and as Foreign Policy in the United States. And our start as, im sure you teach your students that words are not the same as actions. Absolutely. But like statements dont make up a policy, in fact, and those that you will be diametrically opposed to one another. So again, lets not look at public statements. I read there is a major difference in style in persona and character, but those are personal things. I am asking you about the substantive change in the course of the United States. And again in full is the terms because really in the liberal circles, they dont love using these befriending autocratic leaders cliche. But what does it mean in adelaide equal terms . Theyve got all of that policy in the means of that policy and the possible outcomes of that policy in that hes been, are obviously, you know, for example, as i mentioned, the summit off democracy, of course, people where the wind is blowing in the United States. And he builds up to the appearance of her and orders out your bill supports the e. U. Regarding the policy towards poland in hungary, while trump has indirectly, but big keeping quiet by expressing sympathies as expressed support for these people. And that of course involved. And you dont, you wont see that still in blue meant and of having set of course also realize the strategic relationship the United States has to sortie arabia. You will not stroll in saudi arabia into an enemy, and no one would expect that. On the other hand, you go not let the crown prince get away with these sort of calls. Can i ask you something about these women . Why is prison that it was in office together with president obama . They tell him that allowed saudi arabia to launch one of the most murderous, bloodiest wars there is, has still continuing right now. I mean, i understand that there is a certain air resonance about the absolute horrific nature of that one killing. But under biden and obama, hundreds of thousands of such killings have been taking place. Can you really put down this . So your ministry of their coverage of the wall is a human conducted for saudi arabia and of those have you stopped to do it while the obama was in power. And its certainly this one. Its a black, the Obama Administration, the only one. I dont know, not saying that its one of my points that they didnt do anything about it, but biden was, of course, vice president. He did have an influence obama could if i say in the end he did possums a guy who took the decisions. That clearly was the president. That is different now. And of course also in the last few years or so, you merican statements have looked for what is going on in that part of the world. How to start troy has become how terrible that the human cost has been. So i would expect to reverse that course and not too soon for saudi arabia or yes said so, and of course us mil got to see their quality issues and they say things during combat. Its therefore up with these statements, but i would expect a biden to do so it clearly is more in favor of human rights, for example, in general. Then for example, President Trump, who never even use a term of human rights. Well, you didnt hear my next question, and i think its partially time that ties meant that my questions about your choice of vocabulary that is befriending the autocratic leader, is because its true that donald trump had a more pragmatic, last moralistic approach to Foreign Policy. And i think its high time where the will to debate how we define morality in international relations. What is good and what is bad . What are the limits . The legitimate uses of military power, so that we dont see carnage like we saw in yemen in libya, in iraq, all of which were born out of good moralistic intentions. Repeat again. And my question to you is dont you think that by using east liberal catchphrase is befriending, which is essentially an attack by association. Youre out in a, we kind of flashing the need for the world to have that conversation. And if you, if you look around the world is really crying out for it because all the major problems we have right now, refugees, internally displaced and down, makes immigration, the riser for a populist. They can all be tied to the war. Its a band. I know, i think, i think you can agree that human rights are something to do was killing people and killing people is always a bad idea. And that applies to all countries be. Its the United States, or russia, or china, or other great out, you know, getting involved or stopping was pushing was annexing countries that are trying to develop incursions and countries is a bad thing. And biden is a case here for him and yours in proportion, right. I mean, it is bad because its only because i feel the only reason to russians are, as im always there really a lot of have now the signal light was low there. You cannot compare Something Like that. Do you look, lets say an operation and leave the average again, is the same matter of analysis. You cant compare, compare the killing of to shaw gets you the bloody war in vietnam that the Obama Administration has oversaw. So the question is, who is really moral and these in order . I mean, saudi arabia has not just gilchrist showed you that, of course, very active in yemen and in other conflicts around the world for you now to the final round of the ministry fan. Yeah, we might get a man who lost and United States needs to do something about that. And biden has sat, he would do so whether belief in whether he will follow up. We dont know costs, you will not be a perfect president. He will not fulfill all of our human rights expectations. And then of course, your considerations also all considerations that any president , any pretty sure, as you take into rica. However, the President Trump was a very ruthless politician who only looked at strategic. Its just, he did not consider human rights at all, and i think this will change. Definitely, that doesnt mean that the United States now will pursue a policy that is exclusively oriented along human rights like this. Some might be nice. This might be a perfect scenario is unlikely to have professor lars eller as for all his recklessness. Donald trump has launched a single war stuff. Sometimes. I mean, when you can be a cunt pierre, you know how many human lives lost out of concern for human rights. Sometimes you may think that perhaps its safer for the world for that american, since you put that aside, but really were defendo for the vote. Im not defending in im actually, im not buying into this american habit of looking at that parents. As i think this is, theres a strong strand in the russian Foreign Policy of actually looking at the results, not what they call you, but what they do at the end of the day. And whether one says, because if you come to my country and kill my child out of good intentions, i dont care what your intentions were. I can i care about my, my life sunbeam laws that are if you have a brief look at it on the trumps policies and we havent launched this in the war. Thats the arizona drill. I dont, disapprove said, of course he hasnt, but still the world is a no mess. You know, we have relations with russia which have become better. We have relations with china, very tense, very constituents, yes, relations. Because iran, its a very conceptual, even last week, a few days ago, dollars rent a pound, they consider bombing iran. You have the transatlantic alliance, which are good for interests in a mask that all happened under the trump. This, these are not good developments. I drunk to that, that he did not launch a major wall. Thats another line or thing because there is a huge difference between their war, warts, which here was waging and the real war the claims lives. Anyway, personal are so we have to take a very short break right now. We will go back to the spirited conversation after a few moments that you are looking forward to talking to you all that technology should work for. People must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such orders that conflict with the 1st law show your identification or should be very careful about Artificial Intelligence. And the point is to create conflict areas with Artificial Intelligence will summon, the demon must protect its own existence as if its been decades since the fall of spains fascist regime. But old wounds still havent healed the times when it comes only from you know, it would amuse her bowl in the bush at the source mean older than just the same question, which we know cells of newborn babies were torn from their mothers and given away and forced adoption for my own role as i feel a woman to this day mothers still search for grown children for their birth parents. Welcome back to worlds apart then plows larysa professor at the university in our lab at chapel hill. Professor, just before the break, we were discussing the renewed commitment of the United States to human rights and democracy. And do you joe bidens credit . I want to add mention that he was one of the very few people within the Obama Administration who was against the whole libya endeavor. And he actually in a way, repurpose trumps all the rhetoric for and in the endless wars in bidens terms. Its there for our wars which have cost the United States untold blood and treasure, and you forgot to mention though that many of those wars were either launched directly or indirectly approved by the United States. But anyway, do you think Biden Administration will be ready for some kind of like why and alice is of how this American Leadership is supposed to be instead reinstituted onto the walls because as im sure you would remember me, the world in 2021 is very different from the world even in 2016, you know, most american administrations spent that come into office. They consider all their Foreign Policy relations are always a world that is usually an exercise at ministration. Gus and im sure joe bidens a ministration do that as well. What you will see, and that is perhaps the major difference was a trumpet. Ministration is a more predictable and more reliable, Foreign Policy, elyse and solos know what to expect from the white house for policy. It wont change every 2 days. So Something Like that, bill actually, i think also be predicted by those countries. Cults sells us those of america, including perhaps russia and china, and saudi arabia who will be in the middle. You know, it will not be regarded as a foe. It will not be regarded as a close friend, for example. So read new book. We can expect a new approach. And i think that maybe a new approach should try it. Sound relations in a goes away from that heated every day media circus, a tree soul, and a president. Trump, in the end, as a president by bill not to be a perfect president. No president can be evil, have strategic considerations to consider from his point of view, from an American Point of view, juma, priest, china, russia, all other countries to some extent. But i think that will also, he will also make an attempt, and that is probably what he has learned in over 50 years. And honestly, if there isnt a good idea to find call in ground, it was countries you may have not have the best relationship is talking about in russia, the renewal of the human stocks treaty, i think, would be a great stuff for having Something Like a reset with russia, interest, china, they are also other considerations like cooperation on climate change, cooperation, maybe on of gunnison on the middle east so that the areas you can find where countries who are not necessarily friendly was each other can cooperate for a lady or can you do not all circumstances you can find that unless you are every bit as german i blog and meet, youre ready to eat raw misstatements of the by the, in its mission and that, you know, a lot of very abstract language about human rights and democracy are. There are lots and lots of practical issues in the walls that i went on that made sense of why me like race and robert mind, what charity or that dumps and all about the american use and democracy. But the operation on those issues get more active by one side, ideologically washouts. Very. Do you think the bidens stray showers are up for that south . Youre engaged those countries. Now, glens all respect, especially when it, sooner than one base that over the last 20 years about russia, about exams, i dont know how they can do that. Serious. I mean, that goes both ways. No politicians tend to say a lot about each other. And when that, then youre not marrying that enemy at, in that right, that are all at summits. They dont talk in a similar way. And of course, you know, byron is well known for having countless set to have bloody may have to do that. He looked into his soul and their duty to his eyes and didnt find a soul. That is, im sure, a room, i can smell it going. Its already being drier. Let me just remind our viewers that elsa came was great, you 1000 allowed that counts as against running for president. Again, speaking about interference in expenses electoral navy, your men have indeed a very long history and very much trouble is. I mean, you cant cross talk about that into funes in each of those countries. And each of us domestic policy, russian descent from nation come paints 2016228 kind of way and have been concerned. But i dont want to go into that. What i dont want to say is replications actually meet privately in a room or at a summit. Then election campaigns off to rooms full of the media rigid. They also have to take into consideration for that too messy or you know, excess on both sides. They usually kind of, thats a nasty remarks, all unpleasant red mosque. They usually go quickly out of the window and i would be very surprised if clinton and joe biden didnt have a good conversation. The 3 of that say im pleasant, right, to rape. And if they wouldnt try to find common ground, like for example, extending the new start treaty. And that could be the basis of perhaps, you know, a reset. But for reset, as the saying goes, it needs 2 to tango, all the americans are left to give something. But the russians are going to have to give something at a concessions. And you know, that would be nice if Something Like that happened a professional, or as i have no doubt in my mind that the russians have long been writing for to have it all out. But i have grave doubts that the Biden Administration is people of that, especially if you are blocking action to get more and how can you post based on that our democracy is on . Why should i reach your commitment to you . America is that while democracy and human rights one can call region and dictator app and if you were a journalist and deal bit here. On the other hand, we know that all politicians, especially on their liberal living at rates, but not 0, might well insolvent in the base of their boat under grievous that it is quite possible to try to attempt to have a reset with dictators and the world autocrats and the world be the cold boot to know she should bring all of it to press even with the most Korean Leader without accepting all of their policies. All the methods that is excellent to the skillfulness of 2 promises and politics that you try to fit to really code to create the areas you can agree on and can decide the areas you define. And i think joe biden is probably intending to do that. Just for the sake of american Foreign Policy, clearly as an american president , but also for the sake of having the most a greater stability in the world. Well, here he really intends to do that and that, you know, the democrats are nasty, like you resample. And as, as a candidate or as the president will change, the still not national conversation. I think he has to keep that, that snow in mind when dealing with other country leaders because raul asiri, i mean if he were a national problems, but now going to be treated as morally here is that our little ivory but you look at america, the best of politics right now, i think the tone has already changed when you see how biden reacts to what is going on in the white house with this President Trump right now. He doesnt condemn him. You know, of course, criticism, but he doesnt sway opinion. He doesnt become unreasonable, it doesnt become imaging. I mean, the other day, i dont know how many years maybe sometime ago, but i did some credit for the way he talks about it. So its a very difficult situation right now for him. It is a very measured approach, but whatever you may think privately, i dont know, he has told how he comes across this measure. I would expect such a measure, at least rhetorically, to also find him to do express when he talks to foreign leaders. Be it friends of be its of autocrats of the world. And i think thats a good basis for stopping a conversation. Im not promising and i dont know that that conversation will always be successful, but it would be very surprised if a biden ministration wouldnt. At least try to, you also have to remember that it was the Obama Administration who tried to reset this russia at the beginning, or they have termed in the end, it didnt succeed. We all know that. But i think that at least strike at the beginning, and i would say that biden will probably try to even hard up and hopefully also more successfully that you mentioned this summit of democracy. Is it or what do you mean is the matter with me . The big dollars at the gathering. Well, getting scared. Yeah. I mean even lied to that body of being here. I mean, i got to see the putin book get it invited, a concept that the chinese president get it in. But i would assume, and i really dont know. It has been left fairly debate. It has been mentioned several times in his opticals in his election platform, but it hasnt been still to this much concrete substance that is going to be done. Im sure the next few months. But i would imagine that all nato members, that all you members and crass, you know, the countries in between, you know, peter, who have france, press a certain western simple safe. But im not, lets say a member of the west attempt, such as india for example. I can see india be invited. How else is just speculation . Ive no inside information. I wont bite into thinking about such a, its going to be there and asking you about, is it with you and i live that policy logic . Because as you, im sure, you know, maybe u. S. Allies, most allies, im not democracies, be tricky. Be it. Saudi arabia, even poland, are hungry. Speaking about the e. U. Members. I mean that, thats a Community Look like a good idea of south tractor not invest some of your allies while conspicuously ostracizing. The advice is that really such a wise character had no idea. No, i dont, im not, im not going to defend. And so employers are not a spokesperson for by us in atlanta, im saying what he has intended to do, and his policy or his idea probably behind it is that he wants to create great here. And in the west on prodemocratic camp. And as i said, of the beginning of a conversation as being betty freight relations and the drums as nato members and busy e. U. Members. If you really deteriorate a lot so i can see by them wanting to give it a new push to make that coherence bring it about again of greater stability in Transatlantic Relations in these sort of friendly relationships. Whether thats will be successful, whether the even bill be a substantive summit or whether it will be just small, a symbolic summit and i have no idea. I assume they want to make it a substantive summit. But do i know you used the word, bradley for the 2nd time and it being at again, its not a word out of their reality or in all this year or international relations. Here are 2 dozen others we can use, which perhaps comes close up of what is a term like from might that nation . Well, exactly, because actually, you know, when it comes to, lets say, some of the nato members, turkey, the United States and turkey. Im not like minded at all. Sure of that. Not anything, alexandra. Hes one of the most in france or geopolitical layer in north africa. And i have no idea whether he invited now, but my point is that rather might recent years, trying to you visit the United States dealing with psychs deprancol partners lights right here. It was. Human rights record is beyond the pale, but who has big leagues that washington really needs. And that ultimately, and thats those, theyre out what the demo kristie and human rights rhetoric is all about. If you can are raspberries ballys, you know, all supposedly our lives. Whats, what should be your ballot bowl . There are 1000000 arts and you wouldnt know i wouldnt talk about it in terms of principles. It has nothing to do with others of democracy. When you have difficulties those turkey, the relationship, the server, know they interact not allies used but like a friendly like minded in the way certain that the relationship with turkey, if very difficult and apparently was very disappointed at the trump wasnt reelected, this will make things hot awful biden, of course, as you rightly say, is a very important, politically, strategically very important country, or its a nato member. And the e. U. Countries also have the difficulties because turkey is a close neighbor, also the half to get on with it. The same applies to the United States. That, of course, personally, i would hope that biden will be successful in talking to all the gum and also trying to clamp down to, to tone down, make him tone down is anti human rights policies. Its recently tauriel policies that will be successful. I wonder. I wonder, you know, it will be very difficult and the moment i dont know what the bike minister we know about the last. I mean you both know the answer to your questions, weeks. Very good questions be disposed, but we are out of time. I just get you going well, the time is out. Thank you very much for being here, but no, thank you. It was a pleasure and thank you for watching to see you next week on the walls apart from is your media a reflection of reality . In a world transformed what will make you feel safe . Isolation or community . Are you going the right way or are you being led . 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