Trump is looking, the stately unpresident ial in the way that hes probably challenging the result in state after state . What seems well, to flow the evidence. I mean, maybe alex put out where its 20 years later in terms of the coverage, al gore was Vice President should be said. And so he was hanging on and hang on, hang on for 37. 00 days. And al gore only conceded when the Supreme Court of florida told him and the u. S. Supreme court made a decision while the Florida Legislature was in session to choose electors because al gore wouldnt concede. Let me say this, i think you pointed to something alex, which i appreciate about r. T. And you, we in america have never seen the media do what theyre doing right now. There is a full on effort to brainwash the American People to concede youre a bad person. If you dont concede, even though 73000000 americans voted for donald trump. And theyre wondering why did philadelphia have, you know, joe biden had great or turnout in philadelphia. Then obama or clinton, that doesnt sound right, might be right, but lets get to the bottom and show how he looks is a function of the media in america and the world, not what the truth is and america doesnt. We dont play by the looks we play by the constitution and the rule of law. Its worked well for a couple 100 years. I think it will work well for a few more months and then a couple, 100 years after that 1st gun isnt and right, some in president some just during the 20 years ago, fighting the case to the end, hes entitled to, to fight the case to the end before he, he finally makes a concession of a new era, a professor of political studies. You know, these things may just doing whats been done before. Theres so many ways that thats not right. That its hard for me to remember them to take them down for you, but let me try a little bit. So the 1st thing thats happening is that the situation in florida is to do with the fact that this election is close. And they have automatic recount in the same way that georgia has currently. And then there are questions about some problems in the way that the old elections were organized. And so this is absolutely not the same thing because there is no question about the wait or election organized. Theres no question about how the ballots were structured. Theres been many changes since the year 2000. Turnout is up across the United States in red states and blue states, a conservative rural areas, and democratic city thats up everywhere. Joe biden got the most votes, so im happy to see this play out. Im happy to see both count and recount because at the end of the day, joe biden got the most votes, not just among individual americans, but he will have the most in the electoral college, no matter what happens in these places where people are arguing about the margins potentially being off by one or 200 both were talking about a 1000000 or 4000000 vote difference between those and were talking about dozens of votes in the electoral college. So again, i say, if you want to tally a recount, you know, had a, im sure that joe biden will be the winner. And so lets try and rise above the legal arm, wrestling a look at some of the fundamentals here. It doesnt professor got to have a point if it was up for both the publicans under democrats, but the joe biden, the moves very clearly in the popular vote is not really a good thing for american politics. Shows a much higher level of participation in an election, and people started by from less than a few months time. Want to say, well, actually were on to something here. We have a messy but some of the election there was people wanted to, to get to the polls or to vote. The state was not a good thing for both sides. If the American People dont trust what theyre seeing, i think you can give them some credit for saying, hey, make sure you count every legal vote, you know, elections and campaigns. Alex in america, you have a certain trend that they go on and you may wish that youre a great candidate in the democrat party, but you are losing on election day down ballot. Nancy pelosi lost an amazing number of seats. She promised she would win, and the polls said she would win. The senate was supposed to flip the polls said so schumer promised they lost the only place. There was a problem. Was the place where we see very irregular voting patterns from for joe biden. Lets get to the bottom of it, but pardon me, if you say, if americans are a little skeptical of being told by the media or being told by academia to trust us, we know better. Well stick to the document, the constitution and the rule of law, and when we get to the bottom of that, well accept the results. So professor ground, how do you get fall and rise above these arguments in the us they play for you, have been, how do the philly and trenched views that we see in the medicare . How did they start the ball for you in the lead of to kill it communicators from your perspective in politics. But how do you reach out and get a sort of dialogue that can get through the political system and try to break through some of these entrenched battle that we see the snow . You know, the sort of honest answers that i dont know we, on this show are having a conversation as world away from each other. We have different notions of truth. And i think that the notions of truth that i have are based on what i have learned from years of study of the entire history of the United States of america is based on our document. For example, voting is a thing that is managed at the state level, not managed in the constitution is something that is managed through the state legislature. And so if we continue to live in a world where we have these very different notions of the world, we will continue to have a polarized nation. And i dont know what we can do in a polarized nation, where people are unwilling to deal with books and science and reason. And so i think that again is not a good way to be. And its not a go way for our democracy to exist in as long as again, as we had these media outlets. And these talking heads creating scenarios where people are arguing at each other instead of trying to find common ground, were going to always have. And i fredricka, you cough up the costs of the case for trump. Its not my political inclination. Lets put it that way. There was some very coherent argument for that, but i wonder if the arguments are somehow disconnected from the past, and i was of donald trump. I mean, some same shalako. She can see the quality offer your dream for the country. Something come out of this will the conservative case can be separated from the cover and come back the president and present it perhaps in a way which will assess dial. Yeah, look, i dont, i dont think that trump ism is a thing. I think its, i call it america 1st america pro america movement. I greet you, but we embraced a different kind of, of movement. When we took on china, it wasnt just because the corporate interests alex on wall street wanted it. They didnt. In fact, they want biden to win because they think biden will go back to trading with china. But we had a president that put people that were different from the a republican Traditional Party in there. When joe biden says, lets unite, were going to unite, you know that in the last 2 weeks of the campaign, Alex Joe Biden ran an ad that called donald trump and his supporters. Nazis, do you know how hard it is alex to . Ive been called dumb. Ive been called, you know, not smart. Ive been called incorrect when you call us nazis and then you try to unite us. Im not against joe biden as a man. I am against a leadership that refuses to make room for all of us. Hes dividing us, hes not uniting us, and the American People feel it. A lot less than professor ground. As you probably know, affable, and pass the run ins with preston trump in the course and elsewhere. But as the something which indicates that despite what people might think of as style of unqualified late, think of a style, he 70 has appealed to a new constituency full of the republican party. And the democrats thinking longer isnt that something theyre going to have to understand them and respond to in future political contests . It absolutely right. I think that, for example, this uptick in the number of hispanic voters who supported donald trump, the uptick in the number of black voters who supported donald trump is going to be important for the Democratic Party to figure out the support for the Democratic Party is still well over 85 percent in the black community. So if there was a simple majority. But i think that the Democratic Party organizes itself as one that has more than it. And so far and we want to understand what happened. This conversation that were having about feeling like people who are professors or otherwise educated is something that we have to talk about to. The person on the other side of this conversation has more books in the background than i do. And it is an author in the same way that i am. And so i suspect that he has lots of education. I dont think in any way that hes dumb or that hes ignorant or incorrect or any of these other things. I think that we have different ways of discussing the issues. There are many smart people in conservative circles. Clearly theyre smart because they have strategies. They win down ballot races. I think that we have many things to figure out on the democratic side. I think many of those things include the identity politics, like whats happening with hispanic voters and black voters. But i think that there is a fundamental disconnect about the role of information in our society and about these ideas that liberal elite run the world and look down the nose of the people. Im a 1st Generation College graduate. My mother did not go to college in no way would i ever turn up my nose at a person who didnt go to school because i know what thats like. Thats where im raised in the successes. I have come off the backs of people who sacrificed for me. And so again, i think that we need to get to a place in american politics where we can see each other as human and not a demon. And if we get to that place, well do better for our society and of the United States and for the entire Global Community successes on both betty, welcome to commit your respective your points of maliks. Aman. Chill, thank you so much for joining me. Thank you. Thank you. Join us after the break when alex will be getting the latest lowdown on the u. S. Election from leading world expert. Im topologists we davis is youll be via reflection of reality in a world transformed what will make you feel safe. Isolation, full community. Are you going the right way or are you being led directly . What is true . What is faith . In the world corrupted, you need to descend to join us in the depths. 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So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have. Its crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race off and spearing dramatic development. Only personally, im going to resist. I dont see how that strategy will be successful, very time to sit down and talk welcome back. Such is the force of Donald Trumps personality. That politics in america revolved around his twitter feed. But the electoral map shows deep underlying changes behind the political divisions. Alex is joined by leading anthropologist. We did this to explain what is going on the way they was. Welcome back to the alex salmond show. Thanks for having me. Alex again, i went out and the 1st half of the program of just had a debate between professor grant of how to divest an ed moftah off the the eagles of respect to them. I left secular commentators on the left. The right was pretty fiery stuff that i saw how deep the, the divisions postelection in american society. Yeah, i think alex, you hit the nail on the head there. The thing that haunted me about the results was not who won or who didnt win, but how close the margins were. And the haunting thing for those of us who are outside of the United States and then clued some majority of the world lookin in a scam at a man who has a record that we dont even need to. Once again, articulate donald trump in terms of his violation of every norm i want to start. But, but the bottom line is that a guy like trump wouldnt have won 5 percent of the vote in a place like canada. And yet in the United States, you know, he came within 80000 votes spread across those states from earning a 2nd term in office. And even now he is making threats to run in 2024. So, you know, you have this very haunting between realities and his extension weighted by this particular city of the democratization of opinion, you know, battered morning and one of the Great American senators said youre in trouble to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Words almost, now people feel they are entitle to their own facts and they simply make them up. I dont know what the future holds at a critical time in american history. If this isnt between to do house of the american reality is not bridge in some way, but we have, well, let me try something which i find very difficult passively, but that unless im going to make an attempt and the fairness of president trump, couldnt it be argued fussily that he, how that hes done it as mileage they appeal to the public and paf, they didnt previously appeal to. And secondly, hasnt he . And these attitude now kind of replicating what the democrats dead and tabs of questioning the legitimacy of his presence, say, basically right for the last 4 years. So, and the famous off the donald doesnt the something in the argument that they must have something going for. Well, i think youre right, he certainly has appeal, obviously, you know, i guess and get back to the numbers. But i think the most haunting thing about these results was that at the end of the day, alex, it really all came down to race. This is whats haunting 58 percent of whites voted for trump. The vast majority of people of color voted for the democrats. And what, at the base of all of this, is a certain part of the society saying stop the world we want to get off. You know, we want to go back to an american, before our jobs are shipped overseas. We want to go back to america. When the family meant this, we want to go back to a time when, you know, we saw people that looked like us in the streets of our city. You know, never forget that race remains tragically. The story of america, you know, we think of, say, the era of slavery as sort of a distant era when cotton was king. But no, you know, cotton was the 1900 century, what oral was the 20th century. American wealth and prosperity was built. This sort of closed civil war, a myth that it was sort of a quaint but fading economic model that was in the end was going to fizzle way because it was inefficient. Simply not the case. The wealth of america was built on african labor, black labor. And this continues to this day and i think thats what really haunted us as canadia. You know, if you think by contrast, certainly alex, as you well know, i mean it was your people that filled our country of canada. I mean, the scots see irish, the welsh, and so on. Right. We were a little White Society in the day, essentially in the, in the year that i was born to day, fully, half of the residents of our biggest city toronto, arent just of a nonwhite ethnicity. They were physically born outside of canada. And yet somehow we have managed to, in a very positive way, absorb the multitudes of the world, flourish are in richer kaname and create a much more interesting place to live without resistance. Whereas in the United States, what youre seeing is the ongoing legacy of one of the other cardinal rules, which was in the american south. The one thing that to a great extent, the exploited core, White Working Class white trash as it used to be called the one thing they had going for themselves, is that they werent black. And some of that is just lingering in this haunting divide of race. That is the underbelly of these electoral results. If touched on a very fundamental things, lets take a moment of a fuss. The divisions often about a consensus and then 2nd, they manikins position us there. What else . We have a wolf on the challenge. So that the faces of the medical society, if a particular ated that havent caught anything really be done at to bridge the president ial town. And then theres joe biden going to be able to make significant moves to, to reconcile these polar opposites. I think thats the big question, isnt it . I mean, we all know that president s for all their power and resume an authority can only do so much. I mean, i think theres some very practical things you could do in america to cool down the rhetoric to cool down the internet and, you know, bring back the fairness doctrine was demanded the public and what you indication channels the radio in particular events, knowledge. And you had to have some kind of balance of opinion and create some kind of nationals service that would bring young men and women from all parts back to connection with each other in some doing something bigger than themselves. You know, eliminate the war on drugs. You realize because of the war on drugs, there are more americans with arrest records than there are with college degrees. You know, heres an interesting statistic in the last 20 years that there were the use of the word in all published literature has gone up 80 percent. I dont quote me on that, but the trend is that and its reflective of this world back to mornings comment if i believe it, its true. You know, people are if feeling free to reinvent their own realities. And thats a very dangerous situation when the truth itself becomes relative. And the position of the individual is, if i believe it, its true that an old professor, some tallish of s. , they would have a time out. Oh, i believe in an essay score that out of the wall of hope everything unless s. E. s what you believe, but look at america as its possession as the preeminent. Whatll much of the tensions we see in the medic and political system of jews to that position of preeminence . Perhaps the American Ship put it coming to a close. The bottom line is that a country that has been served by a certain myth. The, remember, myths are not just bull stories or kind of moral shards. You know, theyre aspirational, you know, no country lives up to its mythology, but we sort of aspired to see our selves in that. And america has had in the 20th century myth of zone exceptionalism. But all of that is frankly falling apart. People steal it on the ground when their jobs are disappearing. One of the things that was interesting, alex, in that Rolling Stone piece, you mentioned the reaction that i had was you know, it a complete nerve 362 social media. Millions of media hits. There is National Tsunami of reaction and the reaction was twofold. It was either going to deep sadness at what i was just you might be the state of merica and kind of quiet earnest desire to do something about it. But the other reaction right down, so passionate hearing was vicious massage and vicious comments against women. And the article of course said nothing one way or another about when youre not. I found that bewildering. I mean, truly awful language and i certainly thought, well, you know, maybe whats going on in part is that for certain cohort, at least. And im not saying that everybody in the trump camp or voters is in this cohort. But there was certainly a cohort of working men who with limited education, could get a job, buy a house, buy a car, support, a family, and so on. And that world over, and those factory jobs are long gone and they watch them go. They saw what globalization meant in their lives and that the years of that transformation economically, also corresponded the years in which women were breaking the Glass Ceiling gaze moving from the closet to the altar. People of color from the woodshed literally to the white house. And i, and i just had the sense that all of those trends are sort of conflated by a certain cohort of the american public. So that theres sort of, you know, they took my jobs, it was a women who did it. I mean literally that, that is the only way i can account for being called things like menstrual discharge. And some of these emails which were so ad hominum, so personal, so vicious, so angry, and so irrational in some sense. Lets send a hopeful note, wait, what she almost said. The acceptance speech of the Vice President elect us havent had the bottom of your heart not to be a little faster. The should the sky to that as a woman of color from a variety of, assessed him and coming forth and with joe biden, against the baclofen has been a pretty disruptive period as in a lot of church, if of the resilience of america to shine through and surprise to solve if the extent of progress that could be made. Absolutely and look, mean, in my opinion. Now its all these trends at the store and some people are signs of progress. Imagine the 1950 rebel golden era. If you were a woman, if you were black, if you were gay person or, or if youre any kind of person outside of a certain cool work, weve made huge progress and i watched those speeds and with tears in my are is not because im our and our democrat, because i saw the return of decency i saw my father owns doings. I saw my father in law senator charles percy, republican, all of his life on stage. I saw the decency of gerald ford who came into a moment of enormous crisis after watergate and put his poor political career. Not just in jeopardy, but you knew it was over the minute he pardoned nixon and i start as a young student the time it was a horrible thing to do. I now as an adult, you know, look back and think it was a wise thing he possibly could have done weak and move on. And america has been able to do that. Its found the better angels of its nature. You know, there were, there were dark periods in american caste, both historically in terms of the civil war, the depression, the crisis of world war 2, but also a dark period. Joseph mccarthy and it all it took was one good man in that critical and famous moment to say, in public on camera, have you no shame . And the question really for us, is to ask ourselves, does very notion of shame still exists in america . Are there lingering elements of decorum, of decency, of on, or one phrase for the sake, both of american, the world that there are. And i think with joe biden, we have the best chance of seeing that revealed in the presidency where day was for your exceptional insight. Thank you so much for joining me once again on the outstanding chill. Thanks so much alex. I love to be with you and not a majority in america and a rather larger one around the world. Well, well fact, aside with the idea of donald trump as a one term president , yet it may be that theyve all breathed a sigh of relief to think they dont maybe on his way out for now. But come present as a Political Force look for medical still. Indeed, the dont as it became a favorite to lead the republican ticket himself in 4 years time. Most importantly, the election laid bare the underlying changes in american society, which will dictate the political future. The new team of joe biden come of the harness. Well, that tends to bind up the winds of the election and indeed of the nation. However, the task will be by no means easy, no short. But for now, from alex myself and all that, the szell is good by stay safe. I hope to see you all again, next credo transferred to say, simpson, exacerbating and alarming everyone to mindlessly. Actually what that means is we end up making solutions that could actually drink very little instead of the Actual Solutions that work during the vietnam war, u. S. Forces. There was a secret war. And for years, the American People did not know how much it is officially mousepad, rebound country, per capita, human history. Millions of unexploded bombs still in danger. Lives in this Small Agricultural country. Even today, kids in laos full victims of bombs dropped decades ago. Is the us making amends for that tragedy and help to the people in that little land on seemed wrong to me. Yet to stamp out these days to come to advocate and engagement equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. 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