Supreme. Right. And now here she is. See that corn is in there, right. Would you bring that phone cord in . Somebody up . Oh, not only did cream bring that in. And he brought it in and drop the other. Another portion of it in the purse. Thats yes, thats absurd. I bet what happens here is she says he knocks her out on the Kitchen Floor and theyre like, it doesnt work, doesnt work, renee, not good enough, didnt didnt he do it in the living room . Look at this photo, look, i want to see you. Oh yeah, the truth doesnt fit with renees no concession. No. I want to see your real place and i think you heard that some wishful thinking, mike. I dont think there is a real police report. I mean, i just dont maybe they sort of knew they were names, confession was not so good or not true. And so they didnt really want kareem because they didnt really believe that he was there. That or that it happened like that. And so if they get him in there and then they could end up with nobody one taking on a case like renes, the danger is always the case, evidence or other crime scene evidence has not been preserved. If theres no crime scene evidence, or case evidence, then theres nothing to d. N. A. Test. And if theres no d. N. A. To test, its extremely hard to prove that your client is innocent. Thats when they are you hearing in renes piece, it was a very bloody crime scene. The murder weapon was never found, but there was a purse that had a bloody fingerprint in it, and there was a drawer in the bedroom with a bloody fingerprint on it. They d. N. A. Tested some things, but not those. And the only d. N. A. Found at the crime scene was the victims from denver. You know, the, i think out of 41 pieces of evidence, they tested 7 for d. N. A. And so, you know, theyre in trouble right at trial because you cant get convicted on your own confession alone. So they go and they try to round up, jailhouse snitches, but only one worked so it was her confession, and a jailhouse snitch, which is so common in false confession cases and you have the confession and then the extra evidence because theres no physical evidence corroboration to the confession is snitch you know, because i have no particular oh oh ok. Do you mind if i said this is all good. Thats ok. You know i dont have a stream for you or your body will feel fine. No writing will try and do you remember interacting with any of the Police Officers back then . This is a student was name was very, it is in some of my impression looking back that thank you all here. Shes guilty while shes building and eagle. Make sure you know you can sometimes it was a bloody crime. So now we know i was my fiancee, the d. N. A. So these are all somebody else to be how it was one of the things thats one of the things that we hope to be able to do is retest. The d. N. A. Theres knowledge, she is no chance some cases we get and we look at them and we, even if we believe the person is innocent, we can say, well, i mean theres just for a variety of reasons, nothing we can do. Theres something we can do here. But not a lot of people get exonerated Real Solutions really are useless. You know, the hello is this work out . I just want to talk to you because i know helping rene trying to get her out. Can we come by . One driver. Just talk to me. I think you so much we need to ask you close the most important thing. I mean to so how she was to what her interactions with the police were with young with on drugs. You know, in my life, me really and he didnt have a car when they didnt do anything like where youre going to get out to let me out here when i want to get out. And so you actually did get out. Thank you. We really appreciate it. Ok, so thats good. Thats helpful. Lets talk about lorenzo montoya. 3 years on 1 pm. Oh, time was right now is why you want to be alone, really didnt. You know, there were dan burton being interviewed a lot and so on monday morning, when Rendell Montoya was arrested in the year 2000 and accused of a murder of a young schoolteacher in denver. Hes 14 years old lorenzo when this happened, and he is tiny, like maybe 110 pounds. Or if you dont know one year older youre right. The overlap between meltzer and lorenzo is mounted. They tell him theres these videotapes that show him abusing children, which there arent in lorenzos. They actually go as far as to have him take his shoes off and they do this whole charade where this very angry cop comes back in with the shoe and says, well, im a shoe print expert, and your shoe matches the print at the crime scene. Was untrue, my theory straight away, your drug arrest and the residue. Well the days are not rest until one or it is going to happen. We built one point 0. G. Are coming down where you are there. So you the 3rd are there, knows where the elements will. If you are there, even if you have no idea where you dare your friends with a lot of everything. If you were there were going to find out thats interesting. He didnt say we had your blood, we had your saliva. He said we have that to be tested. Basically, right. There is a bar usually the only thing micheel in the United States police a permitted to lie about evidence and say right out of order that we have a lot of fast that is a shocking discovery to most people. Most western countries dont permit it. The u. S. Supreme Court Permits it. So consequently you have 2 detectives making it seem as if we have independent evidence. They sometimes will get very specific about what that evidence is telling us that you were involved in something. Theyve already started that shaping process. And the mother already is believing shots seemed wrong, but all just all the world is yet to shape out just because the advocate and engagement equals the trail. When so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. Is your media a reflection of reality . In a world transformed what will make you feel safe, isolation or community . Are you going the right way or are you being led . By . What is truth . What is faith . In the world corrupted, you need to descend to join us in the depths or a maid in the shallows. A new gold rush is underway and gonna thousands of ill equipped workers are flocking to the gold fields, hoping to strike it rich. Heres a good. As they owe by those that were children are torn between gold. My family was very poor. I thought i was doing my best to get back to school. Which side will have the strongest appeal . Still going to see both of you. Dead already is a little bit, isnt it . Is it true that the brain is huge, that youre sure you know that even better to savor it. So you did you mean mistake . So he just introduced the word mistake. Hes about to develop this theme that enables lorenzo to admit some degree of involvement while minimizing his own role. Its part of a package of techniques that in which you communicate to his suspect, that i think youre a good person. I understand what youve been through. I sympathize with what youve been through. Often you hear normalising statements like, you know what if i were in your situation, i would have done the same thing. And all, by the way, i dont think you intended to do this. I think it was an accident or maybe your friends put you up to it, or maybe you were provoked me to feel that red zone. I dont think youd ever done it. I did want to jack the car into one that did. The communication moves in one direction, it is designed to leave the person the suspect. Think the police dont think this is such a big deal and therefore be treated with leniency. Ok, so one of my choices, either i can be the accomplice who refuses to speak, or i can admit to what they want me to admit to, given all of the minimisation that theyve given me and enjoy the benefit of that. Who are going to go . You know, how do you presume theyre going to do that big look at how much they have communicated already. He now knows so much about this crime that whether he was there or had anything to do with it or not, he now knows enough about it to give you a description. So why were you there . Were here at sleaze house through the wrestle. You see things in the computer here. 1st nature. G. R. Who kicks you in the head. Of course, the building a story for him to tell or is it, you know, a great ridge those shoes wrote part of the drake shoes. Position your job is just right around. Hes now being set up so that when hes ready to give a statement, he knows exactly what that statement should convey, that he was kicked in, the head shoe dragging her through the blood. Hes got the ball. So later a judge and a jury is going to watch the final confession and theyre going to be so impressed and unable to look past that because they keep on asking themselves what happened. You know, those things if he was in there, right . Stare me down. Oh, you made that up. I just stand there, watch your prior 5 minutes. You wait it up, you know, youre not going home tonight. I can guarantee that. And they do not question as youll be home for her, which will be boys, you know, you talk now or say goodbye to your mom. Its pretty clear and your cousin and your sister, it your goal and your life. Is you ready to do what kim and in this person do itself in the situation . Anything i guess you could hold out rank for everyone. You just fall down doesnt everybody have a breaking point . So why must he was in prison for 14 years. So he got out at 28, he was in solitary confinement for 4 years because when he goes into a grown up prison, hes 14 and he cant be in with the general population. So he goes to solitary confinement for 4 years, for 14. 00 to 18. 00. Lorenzo was exonerated, and we have a civil rights to pending for him. And the opposition are, you know, theyre, theyre moving to have the case dismissed based on qualified immunity for that. And if youre being interrogated, youre not being interrogated because theyre just looking for information. Youre being interrogated because they want you to confess. So today we have a 1st on wrongful conviction, which is that we have a retired n. Y. P. D. Homicide detective, among other things. Current private investigator. Im pleased to introduce you j. Sol, peter, welcome. Thank you very much and thank you for having me. So are we going to get this fixed a we believe the remedy seems like a long shot to me its going to take forever. Well, the beginning is basically that all, you know, all interrogations are video and audiotape. And i think that would stop at least 75 percent of his films confessions. I dont know how youre going to get away with it. Im a bit of criminal Justice System as a store looking at prosecutors from we be you which false, confessions faster with making noise that make prosecutors culpable . I mean thats the frustration with the civil rights work is that the prosecutors are always absolutely immune. It doesnt matter what they did, they could have gotten right and punched the kid in the face and they would, we cannot get any liability. And of course, police are allowed to use trickery. And i know every defense attorney in the world is against that. So we talked about how out of these 4 cases, korean meltzer and lorenzo have all been exonerated by rene, you know, her case remains active and shes been in prison now for 20 years. Her son grew up without a mom. She, you know, he has, shes grandkids now that shes never met other than on a phone through glass. If she said to heart attacks while shes been in prison and its probably not getting the right medical treatment for that. You know, were just hoping that you know, time could be on our side and we can get her out sooner rather than later. But i mean, she is a, a life thats wasted. Good morning. How are you . Ok, how is your heart out having a half hour track. A very far i know. Have you done to play some together . Its ok. I understand some difficulty and i know that its taking a lot of time but we dont want to mess it up. Renee, we all are only going to get one shot at this. Right. So just hang in there and promise you there will be an end and i hope its a good one, but there wont be an end develop causes and never missing the disease. Newsmen. They are mares and do do to them because those who knew the system is missing, the biggest hoax turns into will not do this thing. So you believe you do that got him close to us he can anyway blame himself for i think so. Control ending and 1st thing, they all do with it. My own observations from talking to wrongfully convicted people is those who were wrongfully convicted by confession are not doing as well. The stigma they attach to themselves. They feel weak natl, stupid. They dont understand what happened, how to come out to themselves. And even when the convictions overturned, if the reason they were convicted was a confession, as opposed to something else, the stigma attached to the state, even after they were exonerated, right . People are not quite 100 percent. Sure. I get the confession is so powerful that even there for its supposed to evaporate. So corey, today is hes living well, right. He got a huge settlement, but it doesnt take away those demons in his head. You know, hes was in from 16 to almost 30. So what are you now when you come out . Hes never going to have the mental peace and rest that you know, you and i can probably accomplish sometimes. But if he has lost his whole family, theres no relationship with them really. And thats something that the thing my opinion, the city in the prosecutors took away from him, right . That money cant replace combatants in society. You dont. You dont know when to do it in cherry. You dont know what adored her. So it is sort of, your brain will be the morning. Star over here. Start to join the lingo, whatever the journey may be. If youre going to stand in the house, you know, from wonder being free it really is. A problem that, you know is systemic, right . Its a problem that victimizes. A lot of people, right . You have the, the person who falls in compresses whose life is ruined. You have their family whose lives are ruined. You have the victim. Theyre still alive and the victims family who think theyre getting justice, but theyre not question. And then you have multiple other problems that come from this main one being that by definition, when we walk up the wrong guy, we stop looking for the right guy. Its really its a, its a tremendous challenge. I think its a cultural problem. We need a whole societal education about this. Our criminal Justice System is based on the premise that its better for 10 guilty. People to go free than one innocent person to go to prison. Right. I mean, that is a fundamental concept of the american Justice System, but i think that the lying is one of the main things that they are somebody as well. I just guess the courts dont get it. Every story will false confessions, not just a story that gets at the question of why in gods name did an innocent person confess to a crime. He or she didnt commit. Its a 2nd story. And 2nd story line is how come the prosecutor, the judge, the jury, the appeals mr. There is now able to research actual cases, laboratory studies, field studies, and 100 plus years of basic psychology tells you why the people about evidence you lied to people about reality. You can change their perceptions and choose their memories. You can change just about every aspect of the cult or function of a british human 1st over the years for it during the vietnam war, u. S. Forces also bombs neighboring laos. There was a secret war. And for years, the American People did not know how much it is officially a mouse pad, rebounds, country per capita, human history, millions of unexploded bombs still in danger. Lives in this Small Agricultural country. Jordyn, we have been going to concerts happening even today, kids in laos, full victims of bombs dropped decades ago. Is the us making amends for that tragedy. And what help to the people need in that little land of mines is always in the bone, but up especially big city, bright lights, huge opportunities and many dangers because of the risk that the cook, the blade and its also a city where up to 300000. 00 crimes are committed every year for the nationals in the new most filth of the reserve least one Police Officer for every 200 residents in russias capital cost on the wish to treat the another with the wind up toy soon it was the most theres monday morning on r. T. International, a moscow continues to send peacekeepers to the new gorno power back region to monitor a cease fire, agreed with the leaders of armenia and azerbaijan, our correspondent, on his way to the city of the public, heard where the Russian Mission will be based on this barbecue extenders, the deadline for armenian troops and civilians to leave the areas they will hand over, under the peace deal. Armenians burn that homes rather than leave them to the enemy. We had a good life. Now we are tearing down the houses. We built ourselves. I know one thing for sure. I wouldnt even want my baby to find himself in a situation like this. It is very hard, but we do not have any other choice. Despite donald trump still contesting the u. S. President ial election, joe biden is already picking his white house team. But the new
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