Will we unite behind you because your success is important to our country and my government will do everything it can to cooperate with you in a transition. So that when you become president , you can hit the ground running. They do that even knowing the formal date on which elections are certified by states by which Electoral College votes are cast in state legislatures. And by which those votes are counted in Congress Wont happen for another 2 months. So if i hasten that it applies to you would be his 2nd, contended the winner as well. And joe biden didnt wait in declaring himself president elect, if not in the american issue, its totally up to him, but i am in my life. Experience informs me that hastiness, especially when it comes to such politically loaded issues, always produces some sort of backlash. They dont mind, but declaring himself president would work well for joe biden. At this point of time, how do you think joe handled this errant 1000000 . Americans who bolted for trump would react to that . No, no, joe biden didnt wait because the states, although the other they knew on the day after the election that the analytics told them that there was no way trump could catch up in the states where he was leading. They still waited until the states were called pennsylvania was called and put him over the top in the electoral votes and should leave you count going on in georgia. Do you mean to say that the votes in georgia dont matter for deciding the outcome of this elections . Because it, since this way, they dont matter for deciding the outcome because you need 270 Electoral College votes. And he already has 279 and the president should be mature and dignified enough to accept that even if georgia went into his column, he would still lose the Electoral College vote. He would still lose the presidency. There are even the legal claims that theyre making in court, which are completely manufactured. The judges are throwing them out and telling the lawyers you have no evidence whatsoever. Youre coming in here with claims, but with no evidence. So theyre throwing them out, even if those the claims are minor claims. That in fact, that make, could affect 10100 votes, 50 votes, a 1000 votes, it is not enough to make up the millions of votes, language donald trump lost this election. Now speaking about those claims are for irregularities. I think that here again, we see this same type of you know, exchanging mutually exclusive opposites that the democrats and the republicans a so used to playing because as im sure you know, the trump tests, im making an argument that those violations of, by the spread that fraud nationwide, fraud has taken place. The biden has claimed that there. d is its all one big lie even though there are evidence that there were some irregularities, some deaf people vote if we just dont know because that all of the violations that has not yet. I mean, if i never talk if spoken to many election observers, and they always say that you, you would have some mistakes in the course of any election if joe biden indeed wants to unite the country, you wouldnt be bad or for the democrats to say ok, if you think there have been some irregularities, if you mistress, the integrity of the both, lets get down to the, the bottom of it, of this all, wouldnt that be the best way of reaching out to the skeptics was just, its just really not true. So 1st of all, we have a very, very, very well developed Election Administration procedures implemented by people, democrats and republicans. There are republican secretaries or saved saying there was not irregularities. And now might in california, there is a Republican City councilwoman who also is voting in oregon. Thats illegal. That has come out recently. You could call that an election irregularity. But one person double voting is not systemic fraud. It is not fraud at the level that it would change millions of votes and change the outcome of this election professor gag order. And there have been instances and they, theyre well documented. I mean, i wrote post a link to them in the description of this video. They have been instances of people who have long been declared that voting so. Its not just one instance. There are a couple of them. Again, im not an actor, but if youre talking about in this election this year, absent is this a look . It is simply not true. And even if, what, if you could show me an instance, a one person like this republican woman whos double voting. That is not enough to change electoral the electoral outcomes. There are irregularities at that scale. The lawyers for trump have women to nevada and said we want to show you that dead people voted. And then by the end of the year they had, by the end of the day, they had filed no papers and theyve still filed no papers. And their evidence is we heard someone say, we heard someone say it is called hearsay. Its called, i dont have direct evidence, but i think someone has direct evidence. Menu fracturing, people who might know someone who might know something is not the does not have the standard of evidence in a u. S. Court of law. Now, speaking about the way forward, as i said in the beginning, it looks far more likely that we are going to see the bidens presidency over the next 4 years than they are there. And there is, there are lots of speculations about what mr. Trump will get doing and in that time, and one thing for sure is that he is very unlikely to you peacefully retire the way president obama. Deed, do you think trump will continue being a challenge for joe biden, even after the official action results an ounce . And if so, how do you think the democrats should be dealing with that kind of challenge . Trump is really undermined democracy in the United States is we can confidence in our, in our elect, he continue doing battle with the next, not only here 1st because that is trump. Trump has one interest and that is trump himself. Thats his only interest is himself. And he is thinking also about his future career after hes president , including whether he wants to continue to be a voice in a politics or media or his business as that 0400000000 dollars and are in danger of failing as is previous bankruptcy or bankrupt. Businesses fail. So he will continue to be a create difficulties. Yes, hell do it right up until election day. But at that point, his presidency ends by operation of the constitution. Joe bidens, presidency begins and hell take over and hell begin to undo some of the damage that donald trump has done in america and on the world stage. Now ive heard somebody and supporters and it could be me and the think Tank Community suggesting that one of the 1st things joe biden should do when coming to office is to launch some sort of Legal Proceedings against donald trump and that putting donald trump behind bars and all the airwaves will be an major help or a major factor in ensuring the success of the future administration. Do you agree with that . That some sort of legal proceeding legal challenge should be mounted against him. When joe biden has said, is that he will let the Justice Department make its own determinations about whether anything should be done. And whoever is attorney general could appoint a special prosecutor and say, you are independent, you make your own assessments and decisions. Donald trump is already facing legal jeopardy in new york state and treasury for nonpayment of back taxes. He may have committed other eve being sued by women who the accused him of rape and assault. So he has plenty of legal problems, and joe biden does not need to put his finger on the scale. Joe biden has said he wants unite the country, and hes not going to waste his time, being vindictive with respect to donald trump. If there are legal consequences for donald trump specie view, or whether theyre criminal, civil, private, or otherwise, he will have to face those himself based on the evidence and the decisions of prosecutors and lead in those cases. But there we have to take a very short break now, but may be back in just a few minutes. State who they are tactics that can be used to get innocent people to confess, to crimes. They didnt commit. I dont even think people in the us really get that the police are allowed to lie to the person who falsely confessed, actually came to believe the lie that they were told about their own behavior. 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It doesnt actually matter. Vegetable wouldve been murdered by you to go there when youre sick, as all of those who do use the word, because those told me again, we will see in the movie it is with the weve seen the most news, but is the most severe. Some of it is in years these come off and it is the the 20th century was doing era of revolution, the Great Depression and world wars, the 21st century of mental illness. Those arent my words. Thats what surfaced some psychiatry to tell us. The only question is, should we accept it as a fact . Yes or no. Welcome back to worlds of ours bed Louis Caldera distinguished adjunct professor of law at american university, and formerly, a senior military official in the obama and clinton administrations. Professor, youve been very explicit about your endorsement of joe biden, based on security grounds. You argue that donald trump is not fit to be the commander in chief, and maybe thats true when it comes to use the mastic policy. But when you look at that from an international perspective, donald trump, for all his flamboyancy and you may argue incompetence, hasnt launched a single new war. Wheres president obama, whom im sure you hold in a very high regard, had at least 3 bloody wars and theyd be in syria and yemen started under his purview. Sure. President obama over ice President Biden seem like nicer guys. But when it comes to the issues of war and peace, when it comes to the issues of global security, should we actually focus on the record on the actual record rather than at character, the measure of a president success xterm. So 1st of all joe bidens, number one task is get control of the pandemic, which donald trump failed to do. We are 5 percent of the worlds population and 25 percent of the deaths from the coronavirus. Its also heavily harmed the u. S. Economy, including 10000000, people still out of work. So, number one, job or job, i get the pandemic under control to get the economy going again and help people who are suffering. Number 2 is rebuild our alliances and our role in the world. Because donald trump has been a disaster. His america 1st policy has turned its back on our traditional alliances in nato, and in the end it in asia. And that is what makes the world less secure, not whether theres a firefight. Here are a firefight there. If you want to try to weigh your mission and money go there. I trying to tell me that 3, bloody wars that i just mentioned made the war more secure. Donald trump makes the world less secure when he embraces authoritarians, like kim jong il and like lead member putin, like their dog on in turkey. When he embraces authoritarians, where to in the philippines, where he embraces of thora terriers, who buy only human rights and act in antidemocratic ways, he makes the world less secure because of those individuals, its a name i use is just not a rake in bracing though its either and you know, it has or its president obama oversaw the destruction, one of the most prosperous immigrant friendly, stable countries in africa that crisis in and of itself and created. Thats huge immigrant wave into europe. You know that i know that everybody in police a community agrees on that. Thats great. Lets see the rise of far right populism in europe. You know that decision was a finance proportions and youre trying to tell me that whatever Donald Trumps asked was more damaging than launching the war against libya since 2001, the war on terror and radical islamic fundamentalism. Not peaceful islamic countries, but those who, who unleash terror and who started the effort to create a caliphate, isis, all of those forces have been making the world a much more difficult and dangerous place for, for all, for americans and for, and for others in europe. Right. Now there are good or oh, heres a problem with, with, with trumps turning his back on it too. Michelle america and allies is that it can lead. It can lead to miscalculation on the part of people like you, who didnt like she in china like john, that the u. S. No longer has the resolve to stand by its allies. Joe biden, we believe very clear that america stands by its allies, that countries like russia should not miss underestimate our willingness to stand by our traditional anyone except doesnt mean again, its in the retorted kill phrases. The democrats like could be what exactly did that doesnt mean you know. Ok. I mean, absolutely not. Going to be taking russian. Moving into crimea happened under president obamas watch, joe biden was Vice President back down deep. He stand by his allies in ukraine. Do you think it means that countries like russia should not miss underestimate with things like territorial adventurism that, that will be responded to. And that if you want, if you focus and want to focus on russia, russia indeed do what it wanted to do when obama was in office. And when biden was by his side, and i dont speak for the administration. And so in due course, all of those issues he is now president will be one that his National Security establishment will address, including can leave us, continues to oppose russias engagement in the ukraine. You were in the Obama Administration only a few months in that 1009. So youre all busily not responsible for what happened to libya, but many of the people who served that administration at who advocated that campaign against. Maybe im talking about susan rice, michele flooring, the one that they are speculated to be considerate for they try positions of power in the by an administration. Joe biden, by the way, i think, was one of the very few skeptic who opposed that decision. But obviously he is, vision was not heated. At that point of time. Do you think this political establishment, or his believe are all establishment that is clearly coming back to power to washington . Hasnt had enough time to consider what it means by the American Leadership in the world and how these american lives should be advanced. Do you think these people who spent the last 4 years trying to, trying to oust, did they have enough time to consider how theyre going to move forward and whether theyre going to stick to the same rules and to the same vision that they tried to endorse during the Obama Administration, i think he, i think President Biden will have very seasoned, very experienced individuals helping him navigate the world stage. And that what they will do is underpinned by respect for human rights. The rule of law, the spread of democracy. Understanding that we have to have cooperation in global matters, including to address Climate Change to address pandemics, to try to solve problems or they are including in places like syria where russias support of assad has been a disaster. So i mean, it is, and i guess pacify the committee, you know that the level of casualties is now much that my is much lower than the United States was more actively involved. You have imperial people dying on a daily basis. You might consider, since it is a, its a very complex, difficult world to navigate. None of these problems have easy solutions. We have to find ways to build mutual ties, including with countries that have been our traditional adversaries. They may be adversaries. In our geopolitics, our philosophies of governing whose evolution is they may be adversaries because they interfere in our elections and because of their cyber attacks. So one level, we have to respond to them in that manner. And at other levels, we have to find ways to cooperate in a, in russias military docked doctrine. The United States is not identified as an enemy or adversary, which is a big difference from the americans thats changed on the tram back. And i think 2018 when russia was formally declared the an adversary, do you think joe biden, this president will continue in the same vein as donald trump seen in russia as an adversary and do you thing russia invitation changes doctrine and approach the United States . As indeed in that an enemy, with all the consequences, military strategic planning, consequences that stem from that change of post. I think a country that attacks the United States elections is attacking the United States just as if it was a military attack. In the us needs to respond to that in light time and cannot permit that kind of thing and to happen, nor can we permit threats or attacks on our allies in so that so its very, its very important that russia understand that and act accordingly with, with respect to, you know, metaphysical there, im sorry for interrupting yourself and, but its well known that back in 2011, joe biden personally traveled to russia to talk to i didnt put him to try to talk him out of running for president again. You know, thats as clear and interference in the russian electoral profit bread process as it gets gad. I mean, i cant imagine putin traveling to, or, you know, his deputy traveling to washington and telling Joe Biden A Donald trump, what to do. So we have multiple instances of the american interference. I mean, russian elections, but even elections around the world that my question is different. Do you think russia, given that and you, administration clearly has an adversarial rhetoric and a formal adversarial poster towards russia. Do you think russia should change its military doctrine . Because u. S. Military, military expert, i think russia should start viewing the United States formally as an enemy. I dont advise a russia and its military, but i do think that russia doesnt have a real democracy and would benefit from having a real democracy with 3 unfair elections as messy as they might be, would benefit from it. And to the extent that they oppose democracy and that they work to undermine democracy, theyre not going to do that. I think, i mean, theyre working judge or mine democracy in the world. So we have a contest between forms of government of what we believe is the best way to protect me right there you have you live in a country where half of the population believes that that election was stolen from them. And you still lecture has on democracy seriously. Like if it takes them gas, can i ask you one last question . Because i think, and thats not that laughing matter at all, because there have been a number of predictions coming, not only from russia, but from many european countries, have been the case chief of the defense of being just the latest person to your voice. Such concerns, concerns over thoroughly will, will do, or do you think thats likely to happen on did the biden harris presidency and you, thats just information. I think actually the likelihood of that is information to quote by the u. K. Chief of defense that you can record. Well, what youre saying right now, but i think that the, i think that actually the world becomes a safer and more secure, under abiding presidency than under donald trump. That he made our nation less secure. And im not the only one. There were record number, almost a 1000, former retired general officers, defense officials, intelligence officials, and basters, democrats, republicans and independents who supported joe biden, who said donald trump is unfit to be president and commander in chief. And even though it was the 1st time in their life, their words were democrats so important and briefly appreciate your candor. Have to say that given the old, if years here in russia concerning potential flare up of conflict, i think that conversations like this need to happen, but we now live in the world of well rather, joe biden will become president in 2021, which is a very, very different year from lets say, just 1016 when he left office. Do you think hes approach you will security will have to stay the same as it was practiced all those years when he was in office or do you think it needs to be changed in accordance with current Geopolitical Realities . And lets admit, while the democrats were out of power in the United States, a lot of things changing many of your allies. Im not talking even about your adversaries, but many of your allies have very, very risky policies. Im talking about saudi arabia. Im talking about turkey. Many of those allies are very, very difficult to manage even for the United States. How do you think joe biden approach to those countries should change if change at all . I think it is decades of experience on the world stage. And as chairman of the Senate ForeignRelations Committee gives him both the backgrounds and the perspective to be an effective leader of the free world. And i think youll do that, you know, in a very responsible manner. And that he, his priority is to get the us recovered from the pen damage to get our economy strong again and to work locally for cooperation to address issues like Climate Change. That, that those are, those are his priorities. Yes, of course always to support us values, human rights, democracy, the protection of minorities, of minorities, another and other groups. You know, those are the, his priorities are going to be aligned with traditional american values. Ok. Well, best of luck to him, definitely, and thank you very much for talking to us. Its been great pleasure talking to you and the great on or as i said before, could be with you. But at the end, thank you for watching. Come to see you again. Here on the walls of fire at next week. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show. And ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics. Small business, im show business. Ill see you then. Solos on the bone but especially big city, bright lights. 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