Supreme to or right now here she is see the corners in there. Would you bring that phone cord in . Somebodys up. No. Not only did cream bring that in, but he brought it in and dropped the other. Another portion of it in the purse. Thats yes, thats absurd. I bet what happens here is she says he knocks her out on the Kitchen Floor and theyre like that doesnt work, doesnt work, renee, not good enough, didnt didnt he do it in the living room . Look at this photo, look, i want to see you. Oh yeah, the truth doesnt fit with renees no concise. No. I want to see your real place. And i think you heard that some wishful thinking, mike. I dont think there is a real police report. I mean, i just dont maybe they sort of knew there were days. Confession was not so good or not true. And so they didnt really want kareem because they didnt really believe that he was there. That or that it happened like that. And so if they get him in there and then they could end up with nobody one taking on a case like renes, the danger is always the case. Evidence for other crimes, you know, evidence has not been preserved. If theres no crime scene evidence, or case evidence, then theres nothing to d. N. A. Test. And if theres no d. N. A. To test, its extremely hard to prove that your client is innocent. And thats really the hearing. In renes piece, it was a very bloody crime scene. The murder weapon was never found, but there was a burrs that had a bloody fingerprint in it, and there was a drawer in the bedroom with a bloody fingerprint on it. The d. N. A. Tested some things but not those. And the only d. N. A. Found at the crime scene was the victims i think out of 41 pieces of evidence, they tested 7 for d. N. A. And so you know, theyre in trouble right at trial because you cant get convicted on your own confession alone. So they go and they try to round up, jailhouse snitches, but only one worked so it was her confession, and a jailhouse snitch, which is so common in false confession cases that you have the confession and then the extra evidence because theres no physical evidence corroboration to the confession is snitch no, by giving them no particular. Oh oh ok. Do you mind if i said this is all good. Thats ok. You know. Oh it was true before the bible. Do you remember interacting with any of the Police Officers back then . As june was name was very, it is in some of my impression looking back that thank you all here. Shes guilty. Shes guilty. And eagle, make sure you know you can sometimes it was a bloody crime. So now we know i was my d. N. A. So hes, so somebody yelled out, it was one of the things thats one of the things that we hope to be able to do is retest. The d. N. A. Theres knowledge, she has no chance some cases we get and we look at them. And we, even if we believe the person is innocent, we can say, well, i mean, theres just for a variety of reasons, nothing we can do. Theres something we can do here, but not a lot of people get exonerated. Real solutions really are useless. You know, the below average and here is this work out i just want to talk to you because i know how being were now trying to get her out. Can we come by . What dr. Just talked to me, think you so much we need to ask the most and the most important thing to so how she was to what her interactions with the police were with young with andrea. You know, in my life, me every day and he didnt have a car with a promise you anything like where youre going to get out and let me out here when you write great, i want to get out and so you actually did get out. Thank you. We really appreciate it. Ok, so thats good. Thats helpful. Lets talk about lorenzo montoya. 3 years on 1 pm. Oh, time was right now is why you too long really didnt you know there were there were dan burton being interviewed a lot and so on the morning of the rounds of montoya was arrested in the year 2000 and accused of a murder of a young schoolteacher. In denver, hes 14 years old, lorenza, when this happened and he is tiny, like maybe 110 pounds. Or, you know, one year older the overlap between meltzer and lorenzo is a mouser. They tell him theres these videotapes that show him abusing children, which there arent in lorenzos. They actually go as far as to have him take his shoes off and they do this whole charade where this very angry cop comes back in with the shoe and says, well, im a shoe print expert. And your shoe is the print at the crime scene. That was untrue you have you spent all right. To get up there as it is, you can pull the day. You are not rest until we are. It is going to happen. We will one point out g. R. We are there. So you the 3rd are there, knows where the others are until you are there. Even if you have no idea where you bury your brains with a lot of everything. If you were there, were to find out. Now thats interesting. He didnt say we had your blood, we had your saliva. He said we have that to be tested. Basically, right. There is a bar usually the moment a hot political issue. Well in the united states, police a, permitted to lie about evidence and say right out on a fast that is a shocking discovery to most people. Most western countries dont permit it. The Us Supreme Court permits it. So consequently you have 2 detectives making it seem as if we have independent evidence. They sometimes get very specific about what that evidence is. Tell yes, the you are involved in something. Theyve already started that strafing process and the mother already is believing it all during the vietnam war, u. S. Forces also bombed to neighboring laos. It was a secret war. And for years the American People did not know until our thelma is officially the mouth, cavalry band, country per capita, all human history. Millions of unexploded bombs still in danger. Lives in this Small Agricultural country. Jordyn. We dont know how its happening there. Even today, kids in laos full victims of bombs dropped decades ago is the us making amends for the tragedy and help to the people need in that little land of mines. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have. Its crazy. Let it be an arms race theory. Dramatic development only exists. I dont see it will be successful. Very critical. Time. Time to sit down and talk xeloda. See both of you dead already disabled it isnt it . Is it true that the brain is you, that you are surely there even better to savor it . So you did you mean mistake . So he just introduced the word mistake. Hes about to develop this theme that enables lorenzo to admit some degree of involvement while minimizing his own role as part of a package of techniques that in which you communicate to is suspect that i think youre a good person. I understand what youve been through. I sympathize with what youve been through. Often you hear normalising statements like, you know water. If i were in your situation, i would have done the same thing. And all, by the way, i dont think you intended to do this. I think it was an accident or maybe your friends put you up to it or maybe you were provoked me to feel that it was red zone. I dont do that. I have done it. I did want to jack the car and it went bad. Did the communication moves in one direction, it is designed to leave the person, the suspect would think that the police dont think this is such a big deal. And therefore be treated with leniency. Ok, so one of my choices, either i can be the accomplice who refuses to speak, or i can admit to what they want me to admit to, given all of the minimisation that theyve given me and enjoy the benefit of that. Who are going to go . You know, how do you risk their going to that big look at how much they have communicated already. He knows so much about this crime that whether he was there or had anything to do with it or not, he now knows enough about it to give you a description. So why are you here . Were here at sleaze house. So the rest of you see things in the computer and hear 1st nature g. R. Who kicks you in the head. Of course the building a story for him to tell or is it, you know, a great ridge those shoes wrote part of the drake shoes. Brazill position. Your job is just right. Hes now being set up so that when hes ready to give a statement, he knows exactly what that statement gave. He was kicked in, the head shoe dragging her through the blood. Hes got the ball. So later a judge and the jury is going to watch the final confession and theyre going to be so impressed and unable to look past that because they keep on asking themselves what happened. You know, those things if he was in there, right . Stare me down. Oh, you need to back up i just want your prior 5 minutes. You wake up, you know, youre not going home tonight. I can guarantee you that. And they did not put in a Juvenile Hall for her, which would be boys, you know, mom, you talk now or say goodbye to your mom. Its a pretty clear and your cousin and your sister and your girlfriend and your life. Is you ready to do what kim and this person do results in the situation . Anything i guess you could hold out rank for everyone. You just fall down doesnt everybody have a breaking point . So why must he was in prison for 14 years. So he got out at 28, he was in solitary confinement for 4 years because when he goes into a grown up prison, hes 14 and he cant be in with the general population. So he goes to solitary confinement for 4 years, for 14. 00 to 18. 00. Lorenzo was exonerated, and we have a similar rights to pending for him. And the opposition are, you know, theyre, theyre moving to have the case dismissed based on qualified immunity for that. And if youre being interrogated, youre not being interrogated because theyre just looking for information. Youre being interrogated because they want you to confess. So today we have a 1st on wrongful conviction, which is that we have a retired n. Y. P. D. Homicide detective, among other things. Current private investigator. Im pleased to introduce you j. Sol, peter, welcome. Thank you very much and thank you for having me. So are we going to get this fixed a we believe the remedy seems like a long shot to me its going to take forever. Well, the beginning is basically that all, you know, all interrogations are video and audiotapes. And i think that would stop at least 75 percent of his films confessions. I dont know how youre going to get away with it. Im a bit of criminal Justice System as a store looking at prosecutors from we be you would false confessions faster with making laws that make prosecute culpable. I mean thats the frustration with the civil rights work is that the prosecutors are always absolutely immune. It doesnt matter what they did, they could have gotten right and punched the kid in the face and they would, we cannot get any liability. And of course, police are allowed to use trickery. And i know every defense attorney in the world is against that. So we talked about how out of these 4 cases, korean meltzer and lorenzo have all been exonerated by rene, you know, her case remains active and shes been in prison now for 20 years. Her son grew up without a mom. She, you know, he has, shes grandkids now that shes never met other than on a phone through glass. If she said to heart attacks while shes been in prison and its probably not getting the right medical treatment for that. You know, were just hoping that you know, time could be on our side and we can get her out sooner rather than later. But i mean, she is a, a life thats wasted. Good morning. How are you . Ok, how is your heart out and our track you are very green. I know have you dont to play some together. Its ok. I understand some difficulty and i know that its taking a lot of time, but we dont want to mess it up. Rene. We all are only going to get one shot at this. Right. So just hang in there. That again and promise you there will be an end and i hope its a good one, but there wont be an end. Developed thousands and ms of the disease newsmen there mares and do some good and those who knew the system is missing, the biggest most turns into will not do this. Ng so you do believe you do that got him close to us, he can anyway blame himself for i think so. Controlling and 1st think they all knew that, but my own observations from talking to wrongfully convicted people is those who were wrongfully convicted by contrast are not doing as well. The stigma they attach to themselves. They feel weak natl, stupid. They dont understand what happened, how to come down to themselves. And even when the convictions overturned, if the reason they were convicted was a confession, as opposed to something else, the stigma attached to the state, even after they were exonerated, right . People are not quite 100 percent. Sure. I get the confession is so powerful that even therefore its supposed to evaporate. So corey, today is hes living well, right. He got a huge settlement, but it doesnt take away those demons in his head. You know, hes, he was in from 16 to almost 30. So what are you now when you come out . Hes never going to have the mental peace and rest that you know, you and i can probably accomplish sometimes. But if he has lost his whole family, theres no relationship with that really. And thats something that then why p. B. In the city in the prosecutors took away from him, right . That money cant replace combatants in society. You dont, you dont know how to do it in cherry. You dont know what to do or so it is sort of, your brain will be the morning. Star over here. Start to join the long journey. Maybe if im going to stand in the house, you know, from wonder being free it really is. A problem that, you know is systemic. Its a problem that victimizes. A lot of people, you have the, the person who falls in compresses whose life is ruined. You have their family whose lives are ruined. You have the victim. Theyre still alive and the victims family who think theyre getting justice, but theyre not. And then you have multiple other problems that come from this main one being that by definition, when we walk up the wrong guy, we stop looking for the right guy. Its really its a, its a tremendous challenge. I think its a cultural problem. We need a whole societal education about this. Our criminal Justice System is based on the premise that its better for 10 guilty. People to go free than one innocent person to go to prison. Right. I mean, that is a fundamental concept of the american Justice System, but i think that the lying is one of the main things that they are somebody as well. I just guess the courts dont get it. Every story will false confessions, not just a story that gets at the question of why in gods name did an innocent person close to a crime. He or she didnt commit. Its a 2nd story. And 2nd story line is how come the prosecutor, the judge, the jury, the appeals all mr. Mir is now able to research actual cases, laboratory studies, field studies, and 100 plus years of basic psychology tells you why the people about everything to know. Why do people about reality . 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