But the margin is 80000 votes. It doesnt matter if all 10000 votes went for the defeated candidate, they cannot possibly catch up. Thats where we are today. Joe bidens margin is so large in all of the states that are being contested, that even though some other states have not finished counting, they still know who won and job. Im one majority of the Electoral College dropout progress ical there are there is. And isnt that there is, you know, history, history to dish and there is an emotional side to this question, but then there is a legal side as well, and you were a legal scholar. Thats why im asking, what makes joe biden president elect at this point . I mean, can you point me and our viewers around the world primary source material, not the media projection, not some speculation, not that even a paul, but a legal document, a legal decision that legitimizes see if that cell designation as president elect. So democracy depends on very fragile norms, including that the defeated candidate, graciously acknowledges that he lost the election. And then particularly in a president ial context, the defeated candidate says, congratulations to the winner and says we as americans, will we unite behind you because your success is important to our country and my government will do everything it can to cooperate with you in a transition. So that when you become president , you can hit the ground running. They do that even knowing that the formal date on which elections are certified by states by which Electoral College votes are cast in state legislatures. And by which those votes are counted in Congress Wont happen. For another 2 months, so if i hasten that it applies to you would be his 2nd, contended the winner as well, and joe biden didnt wait in declaring himself, president elect. Its now in the american issue. Its totally up to him, but i, i mean my Life Experience informs me that hastiness, especially when it comes to such politically loaded issues, always produces some sort of backlash. They dont mind, but declaring himself president would work well for joe biden. At this point of time, how do you think showtime 1000000 americans who bolted for trump would react to that . No, no, joe biden didnt wait because the states, although the other they knew on the day after the election that the analytics told them that there was no way trump could catch up in the states where he was leading. They still waited until the states were called pennsylvania was called and put him over the top in the electoral votes. And so you count going on in georgia. Do you mean to say that the votes in georgia dont matter for deciding the outcome of this elections . Because it since this way, they dont matter for deciding the outcome, because you need 270 Electoral College votes. And he already has 279 and the president should be mature and dignified enough to accept that even if georgia went into his column, he would still lose the Electoral College vote. He would still lose the presidency. There are even the legal claims that theyre making in court, which are completely manufactured. The judges are throwing them out and telling the lawyers you have no evidence whatsoever. Youre coming in here with claims, but with no evidence. So theyre throwing them out, even if those the claims are minor claims. That in fact, that make, could affect 10100 votes, 50 votes, a 1000 votes, it is not enough to make up the millions of votes, language donald trump lost this election. Now speaking about those claims are for irregularities. I think it here again, we see this same type of you know, exchanging mutually exclusive opposites that the democrats and the republicans a so used to playing because as im sure you know, the trump tests, im making an argument that those violations of by spread that fraud nationwide, fraud has taken place, the biden has claimed that there is, its all one big lie, even though there are evidence that there were some irregularities, some deaf people vote if we just dont know because that all of the violations that has not yet. I mean, i have talk of spoken to many election observers and they always say that if you, you would have some mistakes in the course of any election. If joe biden indeed wants to unite the country, it wouldnt be bad for the democrats to say ok if you think there have been some irregularities. If you mistrust the integrity of the both. Lets get down to the bottom of it. Of this all. Wouldnt that be the best way of reaching out to the skeptics was just, its just really not true. So 1st of all, we have a very, very, very well developed Election Administration procedures implemented by people, democrats and republicans. There are republican secretaries are saved saying there was not irregularities now might in california, theres a Republican City councilwoman who also has voting in oregon. Thats illegal. That has come out recently. You could call that an election irregularity, but one person double voting is not systemic fraud. It is not fraud at the level that it would change millions of votes and change the outcome of this election. Professor garet, well there are, there have been instances and they, theyre well. 1 documented, i mean, i wrote a post a link to them in the description of this video. They have been instances of people who have long been declared that voting so. Its not just one instance. There are a couple of them. Again, im not an actor, but if youre talking about in this election this year, absent it is this, look, it is simply not true. And even if, what, if you could show me an instance, a one person like this republican woman whos double voting. That is not enough to change electoral the electoral outcomes. There are irregularities at that scale. The lawyers for trump have women to nevada and said we want to show you that dead people voted. And then by the end of the year they had, by the end of the day, they had filed no papers and theyve still filed no papers. And their evidence is we heard someone say, we heard someone say it is called hearsay. Its called, i dont have direct evidence, but i think someone has direct evidence. Menu fracturing, people who might know someone who might know something is not the does not have the standard of evidence in a u. S. Court of law. Ok. Now, speaking about the way forward, as i said in the beginning, it looks far more likely that we are going to see the bidens presidency over the next 4 years that they are there. And there is, there are a lot of speculations about what mr. Trump will get doing and in that time, and one thing for sure is that he is very unlikely to you peacefully retire the way president obama. Deed, do you think trump will continue being a challenge for joe biden, even after the official action results an ounce . And if so, how do you think the democrats should be dealing with that kind of challenge . Truckers really undermine democracy in the United States . Is we can confidence in our, in our elect, he continued doing that over the next. Now were here 1st because that is, trump, trump has one interest and that is trump himself. Thats his only interest is himself. And he is thinking also about his future career after hes president , including whether he wants to continue to be a voice in a politics or media or his business as that 0400000000 dollars and are in danger of failing as is previous bankruptcy bankrupt. Businesses fail. So he will continue to be a create difficulties. Yes, hell do it right up until election day. But at that point, his presidency ends by the operation of the constitution. Joe bidens, presidency begins and hell take over and hell begin to undo some of the damage that donald trump has done in america and on the world stage. Now ive heard somebody and supporters and it could be me and the think Tank Community suggesting that one of the 1st things joe biden should do when coming to office is to launch some sort of Legal Proceedings against donald trump and that putting donald trump behind bars and all the airwaves will be an major help or a major factor in ensuring the success of the future administration. Do you agree with that . Some sort of legal proceeding. A legal challenge should be mounted against trump. When joe biden has said, is that he will let the Justice Department make its own determinations about whether anything should be done. And whoever is attorney general could appoint a special prosecutor and say, you are independent, you make your own assessments and decisions. Donald trump is already facing legal jeopardy in new york state and treasury for nonpayment of back taxes. He may have committed other eve being sued by women who the accused him of rape and assault. So he has plenty of legal problems, and joe biden does not need to put his finger on the scale. Joe biden has said he want unite the country, and hes not going to waste his time being vindictive with respect to donald trump. If there are legal consequences for donald trump specie view, or whether theyre criminal, civil, private, or otherwise, he will have to face those himself based on the evidence and the decisions of prosecutors and lead in those cases. But icicle there we have to take a very short break now, but me to be back in just a few minutes. Stay tuned. Oh, look forward to talking to you all. That technology should work for people. I robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the 1st law show. Your identification for should be very careful about Artificial Intelligence. And the point is to trace every life on theories and with Artificial Intelligence will summon the demon the obama must protect its own existence, was exposed during the vietnam war, us forces are also bombs neighboring laos. It was a secret war. And for years, the American People did not know how much it is, especially heavily bombed country per capita in all of human history. Millions of unexploded bombs still in danger lives in this Small Agricultural country, 200. 00. I remember, Nothing Happened there even today, kids in laos full victims of bombs dropped a decades ago, is the us making amends for the tragedy in laos to the people needed in that little land of mines. Welcome back to worlds apart with Louis Caldera distinguish the junk professor of law at american university, and formerly a senior military official in the obama and clinton administrations. Professor, youve been very explicit about your endorsement of joe biden, based on security grounds. You argue that donald trump is not fit to be the commander in chief, and maybe thats true when it comes to use the mastic policy. But when you look at that from an international perspective, dont trump for all his flamboyancy and you may argue incompetence hasnt launched a single new war. Whereas president obama, whom im sure you hold in a very high regard, had at least 3, bloody wars in the being in syria and yemen started it under his purview. Sure. President obama was President Biden, seem like nicer guys. But when it comes to the issues open, war and peace, when it comes to the issues of global security, should we actually focus on the record on the actual record rather than at character, the measure of a president success xterm. So 1st on joe bidens, number one task is get control the pen demick, which donald trump failed to do. We are 5 percent of the worlds population and 25 percent of the deaths from the coronavirus is also heavily harmed the u. S. Economy, including 10000000, people still out of work. So, number one, job or job, i get the pandemic under control, get the economy going again and help people who are suffering. Number 2 is rebuild our alliances and our role in the world. Because donald trump has been a disaster. His america 1st policy has turned its back on our traditional alliances in nato, and in the end it in asia. And that is what makes the world less secure, not whether theres a firefight. Here are a firefight there. If you want to try to weigh your mission and money go there. I trying to tell me that 3, bloody wars that i just mentioned made the war more secure. None of trying makes the world less secure. Will he embraces authoritarians like kim jong il and like lead member putin, like air dog on in turkey when he embraces authoritarians, do wear to in the philippines. When he embraces of or terese who by leaps human rights and act in antidemocratic ways. He makes the world less secure because of those individuals. Its a name i use is another. I met a rake in brazing. No, its either and you know, it has or its president , obama oversaw the destruction. One of the most prosperous immigrant friendly, stable countries in africa that crisis in and of itself and created. Thats huge immigrant wave into europe. You know, that i know that everybody in police a community agrees on that. Thats great. Lets see the rise of far right populism. In europe, you know that decision was a finance proportions and youre trying to tell me that whatever i dont know trumps as was more damaging than launching the war against libya since 2001, the war on terror and radical islamic fundamentalism. Not peaceful islamic countries, but those who unleash terror and who started the effort to create a caliphate. Isis. All of those forces have been making the world a much more difficult and dangerous place for, for all, for americans and for, and for others in europe and other party or oh, heres the problem with, with, with trumps turning his back on a traditional American Allies is that it can lead, it can lead to miscalculation on the part of people like who didnt like she in china like john, that the u. S. No longer has the resolve to stand by its allies. Joe biden, we believe very clear that america stands by its allies, that countries like russia should not miss underestimate our willingness to stand by her to additional anyone exit doesnt mean again, its in the retort, kill phrases. The democrats like could be what exactly did that doesnt mean . You know, he means absolutely not going to be taking russian. Moving into crimea happened under president obamas watch, joe biden was Vice President back then. Did he stand by his allies in ukraine . Do you think it means that countries like russia should not misunderestimated, with things like territory and adventurism that, that will be responded to. And that if you want, if you focus and want to focus on russia, russia did do what it wanted to do when obama was in office. And when biden was by his side, and i dont speak for the administration. And so in due course, all of those issues heres now president will be one that his National Security establishment will address, including u. S. Continues to oppose russias engagement in the ukraine. You were in the Obama Administration only a few months in 20090, obviously not responsible for what happened to libya, but many of the people who served that administration at who advocated that campaign against me. Im talking about susan rice, michele flournoy. They are speculated to be considered for high positions of power in the by an administration, joe biden, by the way, i think, was one of the very few skeptics who opposed that decision. But obviously he is, vision was not heated. At that point of time. Do you think this political establishment, or his believe or less than bluster and that is clearly coming back to power . It to washington hasnt had enough time to consider what it means by the American Leadership in the world and how this American Leadership should be advanced. Do you think these people who spend last 4 years trying trying to oust, did they have enough time to consider how theyre going to move forward and whether theyre going to stick to the same rules into the same vision that they tried to endorse during the Obama Administration, i think he, i think President Biden will have very seasoned, very experienced individuals helping him navigate the world stage and that what they will do is underpinned by respect for human rights. The rule of law, the spread of democracy. Understanding that we have to have cooperation in global matters, including to address Climate Change to address pandemics, to try to solve problems or they are including in places like syria where russias support of assad has been a disaster. So, i mean, if adams asked pacified because he didnt know that the level of casualties is now, might take my eyes much lower than the United States was more actively involved. Would you have imperial people dying on a daily bases you might consider, since it is a, its a very complex, difficult world to navigate. None of these problems have easy solutions. We have to find ways to build mutual ties, including with countries that have been our traditional adversaries. They may be adversaries. In our geopolitics, our philosophies of governing whose evolution is they may be adversaries because they interfere in our elections and because of their cyber attacks. So one level we have to respond to them in that manner and at other levels, we have to find ways to cooperate in a, in russias military docked doctrine. The United States is not identified as an enemy or adversary. Beach is a big difference from the americans thats changed on the tram back and i think 2018, when russia was formally declared the and adversary, do you think joe biden as president , will continue in the same vein as donald trump seen russia as an adversary and do you, thing russia in return should change his doctrine and approach the United States as indeed in that an enemy, with all the consequences, military strategic planning, consequences that stem from that change of post. I think a country that attacks the United States elections is attacking the United States just as if it was a military attack. The us needs to respond to that in light kind and cannot permit that kind of thing and to happen, nor can we permit threats or attacks on our allies. And so that, so its very, its very important that russia understand that and act accordingly with, with respect to, you know, metaphysical there, im sorry for interrupting yourself and, but its well known that back in 2011, joe biden personally traveled to russia to talk to, i didnt put him to try to talk him out of running for president again. You know, thats as clear and interference in the russian electoral profit bread process as it again gad, i mean, i cannot imagine putin traveling to, or, you know, his deputy traveling to washington and telling Joe Biden A Donald trump, what to do. So we have multiple instances of the american interference. I mean, russian elections, but even elections around the world that my question is different. Do you think russia, given that and you, administration clearly has an adversarial rhetoric and a formal, adversarial post try to its russian. Do you think russia should change its, military doctrine . Because u. S. , military, military, aspart, using russia should start viewing the United States formally as an enemy. I dont advise a russia on un and its military, but i do think that russia doesnt have a real democracy and would benefit from having a real democracy with free and Fair Elections as messy as they might be would benefit from. And to the extent that they oppose democracy and that they work to undermine democracy, theyre not going to do that. I mean, theyre working to undermine democracy in the world. So we have a contest between forms of government of what we believe is the best way to protect me right there you have you live in a country where half of the population believes that that election was stolen from them. And you still lecture has on democracy seriously. Like if it takes them guts, can i ask you one last question . Because i think, and thats not their laughing matter at all, because there have been a number of predictions coming not on me from russia, but from many European Countries have been the case chief of the defense of being just the latest person to boy such concerns, concerns over 30 whole world war, do you think thats likely to happen on to the biden harris presidency and you thats just information. I think actually the likelihood of that is information to quote by the u. K. Chief of defense that you can record. Well, what youre saying right now, but i think that the, i think that actually the world becomes a safer and more secure, under abiding presidency than under donald trump. That he made our nation less secure. And im not the only one. There were record number, almost a 1000, former retired general officers, defense officials, intelligence officials, and basters, democrats, republicans and independents who supported joe biden, who said donald trump is unfit to be president and commander in chief. And even though it was the 1st time in their life, their words are, its a democrat. So what is angry, fully appreciate your candor, have to say that given the old, if youre here in russia concerning potential flare up of conflict, i think that conversations like this need to happen, but we now leave in the world of well rather, joe biden will become president in 2021, which is a very, very different year from lets say, just 1016 when he left office. Do you think hes approach you will security will have to stay the same as it was practiced all those years when he was in office and do you think it needs to be changed in accordance with current Geopolitical Realities . And lets admit, while the democrats were out of power in the United States, a lot of things change in many of your allies. Im not talking even about your adversaries, but many of your allies have very, very risky policies. Im talking about saudi arabia. Im talking about turkey, many of those allies, and very, very difficult to manage even for the United States. How do you think joe biden approach to those countries should change if change at all . I think is decades of experience on the world stage and has chairman of the Senate ForeignRelations Committee gives him both the backgrounds and the perspective to be an effective leader of the free world. And i think hell do that, you know, in a very responsible manner. And that he, his priority is to get the us recovered from the pen damage to get our economy strong again and to work globally for cooperation to address issues like Climate Change that thats those are, those are his priorities. Yes, of course, always to support us values, human rights, democracy, protection of minorities, of shaved minorities and other and other groups. You know, those are the, his priorities are going to be aligned with traditional american values. Ok, well best of luck here. Definitely, and thank you very much for talking charles, its been a great pleasure talking to here and great on or as i said before, good to be with you. And thank you for watching coke this year again here on the walls apart. Next week our employers will salute bullshit. Bush sleeves. Sure. But the truth to w. Clubbable was if youre sure the movie born to the doesnt actually matter vegetable would have been the most of you going to go with us because all of those who knew used the bunkers, those stories could be game we will see in the movie, confused with it would seem the most serious, but its the most severe. Some of it is in your speech. 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