A real place and i think you heard that some wishful thinking, mike. I dont think there is a real police report. I mean, i just dont maybe they sort of knew there were these confessions was not so good or not true. And so they didnt really want karim because they didnt really believe that he was there. That or that it happened like that. And so if they get him in there and then they could end up with nobody one taking on a case like renes, the danger is always the case. Evidence for other crimes, you know, evidence has not been preserved. If theres no crime scene evidence, or case evidence, then theres nothing to d. N. A. Test. And if theres no d. N. A. To test, its extremely hard to prove that your client is innocent. Thats from the right. It was a very bloody crime scene. The murder weapon was never found, but there was a purse that had a bloody fingerprint in it, and there was a drawer in the bedroom with a bloody fingerprint on it. They d. N. A. Tested some things, but not those. And the only d. N. A. Found at the crime scene was the victims phone. And i think out of 41. 00 pieces of evidence, they tested 7 for d. N. A. And so you know, theyre in trouble right at trial because you cant get convicted on your own confession alone. So they go and they try to round up, jailhouse snitches, but only one worked so it was her confession, and a jailhouse snitch, which is so common in false confession cases and you have the confession and then the extra evidence because theres no physical evidence corroboration to the confession is snitch you know, by if they have no particular 0000000000 extension 0000 ok. Who do you mind if i said this is all good. Thats ok. You know, i dont have the street or the bible or trying to track do you remember interacting with any of the Police Officers back then . Mr. As judy was named was very, it is some of my impression looking back at it. Thank you all here. Shes guilty while she was building a eagle, make sure you know who sometimes it was a bloody crime. So now we know i was last year t. V. D. N. A. So piece of also body held to be not how it was one of the things thats one of the things that we hope to be able to do is retest. The d. N. A. Theres knowledge, she has no chance, some cases we get and we look at them. And we, even if we believe the person citizen, we can say, well, i mean theres just for a variety of reasons, nothing we can do. Theres something we can do here, but not a lot of people get exonerated. Real solutions really understood the glow around this work out i just want to talk to you because i know how being were now trying to get her out. Can we come by . What dr. Just talked to me. Thank you so much. We need to ask the most important thing to so how she was to what her actions, what the police were done with andrea. You know, in my me really. And he didnt have a car with a promise you anything like where youre going to get out and let me out when you want to get out. And so you actually did get out. Thank you. We really appreciate it. Ok, so thats good. Thats helpful. Lets talk about Lorenzo Montoya at least 3 years on welfare oh to the time was right now is why you want to hear a little bit in the media to you know whose word . A word person being interviewed, you know a lot in stone. More and more to the ends of montoya was arrested in the year 2000 and accused of a murder of a young schoolteacher in denver. Hes 14 years old. And so when this happened and he is tiny, like maybe 110. 00 pounds, the ratio one year older. Yeah, right. Over land between melton and lorenzo is a mountain they tell him theres these videotapes that show him abusing children, which there arent in lorenzo. They actually go as far as to have him take his shoes off and they do this whole charade where this very angry cop comes back in with the shoe and says, well, im a shoe print expert, and your shoe matches the print at the crime scene. Was untrue youre going to be sent away. Your daughter already in there as you will be doing. You are not rest until it is going to happen. Weve got one of the windows were there for you. The 3rd arm there. Goal is for the jailers of you are there, even if you have no idea where you bury your prints. A lot of firms, everything. If you were there, thats interesting. You can say we had your blood, we had your saliva. He said, we have that to be tested basically, right . The moment very hot political issue real in the United States police permitted to live and play right out of steam. Oh, that is a shocking discovery to most people. Most western countries, the u. S. Supreme court permits, and so consequently you have 2 detectives making it seem as if we have independent evidence. They something very specific about what that evidence is telling us that you are involved in something theyve already started stripping process. And the mother already is believing look forward to talking to you all. That technology should work for people. A robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such orders to conflict with the 1st law. Show your identification for should be very careful about official intelligence and the point. Obesity is too great conflict to take on various chops, you know, with artificial intelligence. Where some of the demons must protect its own existence. Lets go next to this is a story of women, women with troubled histories and complex cold cases. You know, some of those deadly leave who lives out there who were not the person that theres a cheesiness and b. They are considered the most dangerous of criminals. Shes in a still all be off 23 hours of the day. Tell me that its not enough clinician that it will give women on death row, which it, well look for to see whether what were saying is actually playing out in the real world. And sort of thing to look at would be the u. S. Dollar versus the chinese or other big. Ok, thats the main forex pair thats going to tell you whats happening in the global economy. If this all this debt is going to trigger all this money printing, the dollar will start to drift lower and its already, you know, looking very weak. I think the last 4 years under, oh, theyve been able to kind of propped up to a large degree. But i think maggie, going to see a serious decline of the dollar. You can see the chinese currency start to really outperform the dollar xeloda. See both of you. Dead already disabled. Great isnt it . Is it true that the brain issues that you need to show me that even better to savor it for you . Did you mean mistake . So he just introduced the word mistake. Hes about to develop this theme that enables lorenzo to admit some degree of involvement while minimizing his own role. Its part of a package of techniques that in which you communicate to is suspect that i think youre a good person. I understand what youve been through. I sympathize with what youve been through. Often you hear normalising statements like, you know water. If i were in your situation, i would have done the same thing. And all, by the way, i dont think you intended to do this. I think it was an accident or maybe your friends put you up to it or maybe you were provoked me to feel that it was red zone. I dont do that. I have done it. I did want to jack the car and it went bad. Did the communication moves in one direction, it is designed to leave the person the suspect. Think the police dont think this is such a big deal. And therefore be treated with leniency. Ok, so one of my choices, either i can be the accomplice who refuses to speak, or i can admit to what they want me to admit to, given all of the minimisation that theyve given me and enjoy the benefit of them. Who are going to go. You there or have anything to do with it or not. He now knows enough about it to give you a description. So why are you there . Were worried here. Its sleaze. As a wrestler, you see things in the computer in here for hours. Nader jr, who kicked you in the head. Of course, the building a story for him to tell. Or is it, you know, a great ridge those shoes wrote part of the dre shoes. Rattle position. Your jaw is just right. Hes now being set up. So that when hes ready to give a statement, he knows exactly what that statement can do. That again, he was kicked in the head shoe dragging her through the blood. Hes got it all. So later a judge and the jury is going to watch the final confession and theyre going to be so impressed and unable to look past that because they keep on asking themselves what happened. You know, those things if he was in there staring me down. Oh, you leave that up. I just want your prior 5 minutes. You wait it up, you know, youre not going home tonight. I can guarantee that. And they do not question if youll be home for her, which will be boys. Shell talk now or say goodbye to your mom. Its a pretty clear and your cousin and your sister. It your goal and your life. Is you ready to put her in the royal what kim and in the same person do the extreme of themselves in this situation. Anything like this, you could hold out rank for everyone. You just fall down, doesnt everybody have a breaking point . So we must he was in prison for 14 years, so he got out at 28. He was in solitary confinement for 4 years because when he goes into a grown up prison, hes 14 and he cant be in with the general population. So he goes to solitary confinement for 4 years, for 14. 00 to 18. 00, lorenzo was exonerated, and we have a similar right suit pending for him. And the opposition are, you know, theyre, theyre moving to have the case dismissed based on qualified immunity for that. And if youre being interrogated, youre not being interrogated because theyre just looking for information youre being interrogated because they want you to confess. So today we have a 1st on wrongful conviction, which is that we have a retired n. Y. P. D. Homicide detective, among other things, current private investigator. Im pleased to introduce you j. Saltpeter. Welcome. Thank you very much and thank you for having me. So how the hell are we going to get this fixed . I believe the remedy seems like a long shot to me its going to take forever. Well, the beginning is basically that all could say, you know, all interrogations are video and audiotape. And i think that would stop at least 75 percent of his films confessions, i dont know how youre going to get away with it. I may, but a criminal Justice System as a straw looking at prosecutor is we be you which false . Confessions faster with making noise that make prosecutor culpable. I mean thats the frustration with the civil rights work is that the prosecutors are always absolutely immune. It doesnt matter what they did, they could have gotten right and punched the kid in the face and they would, we cannot get any liability against them. And of course, with why police are allowed to use trickery. And i know every defense attorney in the world is against that. So we talked about how out of these 4 cases, you know, korean maltz and lorenzo have all been exonerated by rene. You know, her case remains active engine. Shes been in prison now for 20 years. Her son grew up without a she, you know, he has, shes grandkids now that shes never met other than on a phone through glass. She said to heart attacks while shes been in prison and its probably not getting the right medical treatment for that. You know, were just hoping that you know, time could be on our side and we can get her out sooner rather than later. But i mean, she is a, a life thats wasted. Good morning. How are you . Ok, how is your heart out . And i think a track of your. A a very heart i know have you done to play some together . Its ok. I understand some difficulty and i know that its taking a lot of time, but we dont want to mess it up. Rene, we all are only going to get one shot at this. Right. So just hang in there and promise you there will be an end and i hope its a good one, but there wont be an end develop their misery. The disease newsmen, they are mares and do some new to the scene. Do gooders and those who knew the system is missing, the biggest hoax turns into will not do this thing. So you believe you do that . Got him close to us. He in any way, blame himself for i think so. Control ending and 1st thing. They all do with it. My own observations from talking to wrongfully convicted people is those who were wrongfully convicted by contrast are not doing as well. The stigma they attach to themselves. They feel weak natl, stupid. They dont understand what happened, how to the amount of them stolen, and even when the convictions overturned, if the reason they were convicted was a confession, as opposed to something else, the stigma attached to the state, even after they were exonerated, right . People are not quite 100 percent sure of it. If the confession is so powerful that even therefore its supposed to evaporate. So corey, today is. Hes living well, right. He got a huge settlement, but it doesnt take away those demons in his head. You know, hes, he was in from 16 to almost 30. So what are you now when you come out . Hes never going to have the mental peace and rest that you know, you and i can probably accomplish sometimes. But if he has lost his whole family, theres no relationship with them really. And thats something that the then why p. B. In the city in the prosecutors took away from him, right . That money cant replace combatants in society. You dont. You dont know what to do in cherry. I dont know what adored her. So it is sort of, your brain will be the morning. Star over here. Start to join the lingo, whatever the journey may be. If youre going to stand in the house, you know, from wonder being free it really is. A problem that, you know is systemic, right . Its a problem that victimizes. A lot of people, right . You have the, the person who falls in compresses whose life is ruined. You have their family whose lives are ruined. You have the victim. Theyre still alive and the victims family who think theyre getting justice, but theyre not. And then you have multiple other problems that come from this main one being that by definition, when we walk up the wrong guy, we stop looking for the right guy. Its really a, its a, its a tremendous challenge. I think its a cultural problem. We need a whole societal education about this. Our criminal Justice System is based on the premise that its better for 10 guilty. People to go free than one innocent person to go to prison. Right. I mean, that is a fundamental concept of the american Justice System, but i think that the lying is one of the main things that they are somebody as well. I just guess the courts dont get it. Every story will false confessions, not just a story that gets at the question of why in gods name did an innocent person confessed to a crime he or she didnt commit. The 2nd story and 2nd story line is how come the prosecutor, the judge, the jury, the appeals. 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