With the model of the mire. There was a, it was a ritual, but just to go home or yes, my way normal. I was, were it was going to be true or it was world which were all choices shop or were you supreme to where i am now, here she is see the corners in there. Would you bring that phone cord in . Somebodys up. No. Not only did cream bring that in, but he brought it in and dropped the other. Another portion of it in the purse. Thats yes, thats absurd. I bet what happens here is she says he knocks her out on the Kitchen Floor and theyre like no, it doesnt work, doesnt work, renee, not good enough, didnt didnt he do it in the living room . Look at this photo, look, i want to see you. Oh yeah, the truth doesnt fit with renees no concise. No. I want to see a real place and i think you heard that some wishful thinking. Like i dont think there is a real police report. I mean, i just dont maybe they sort of knew there were days. Confession was not so good or not true. And so they didnt really want korean because they didnt really believe that he was there. That or that it happened like that. And so if they get him in there and then they could end up with nobody one taking on a case like renee is the danger is always the case. Evidence for other crimes, you know, evidence has not been preserved. If theres no crime scene evidence, or case evidence, then theres nothing to d. N. A. Test. And if theres no d. N. A. To test, its extremely hard to prove that your client is innocent. Thats really the hearing. In renes piece, it was a very bloody crime scene. The murder weapon was never found, but there was a purse had a bloody fingerprint in it, and there was a drawer in the bedroom with a bloody fingerprint on it. The d. N. A. Tested some things, but not those. And the only d. N. A. Found at the crime scene was the victims phone. And the, i think out of 41. 00 pieces of evidence, they tested 7 for d. N. A. And so you know, theyre in trouble right at trial because you cant get convicted on your own confession alone. So they go and they try to round up, jailhouse snitches, but only one worked so it was her confession, and a jailhouse snitch, which is so common in false confession cases and you have the confession and then the extra evidence because theres no physical evidence corroboration to the confession is snitch i know i have no particular 0000000000 extension 0. Ok. Who do you mind if i said this is all good. Thats ok. You know, i dont have the street or the bible. Do you remember interacting with any of the Police Officers back then . Mr. Student was name was very, it is in some of my impression looking back. Thank you all here. Shes guilty. Shes guilty. And eagle, make sure you know you can sometimes it was so now we know i was my d. N. A. So somebody else, maybe you know how it was one of the things thats one of the things that we hope to be able to do is retest. The d. N. A. Theres knowledge, she has no chance some cases we get and we look at them. And we, even if we believe the person is innocent, we can say, well, i mean, theres just for a variety of reasons, nothing we can do. Theres something we can do here, but not a lot of people get exonerated. Real salute, you know the below average and here is this work out i just want to talk to you because i know helping renee trying to get her out. Can we come by . What dr. Just talked to me think is so much we need to ask the most and the most important thing to so how she was to her what her interactions with the police were now with young with andrea, you know, in my life, me really. And he didnt have a car with a promise you anything like where youre going to get out and let me out here when you write great, i want to get out. And so you actually did get out. Thank you. We really appreciate it. Ok, so thats good. Thats helpful lets talk about lorenzo montoya. 3 years on 1 pm. Oh, time was right now. Is when you will too long, really didnt. You know there were dan burton being interviewed a lot and so on. The ends of montoya was arrested in the year 2000 and accused of a murder of a young schoolteacher in denver. Hes 14 years old friends when this happened and he is tiny, like maybe 110. 00 pounds or, you know, one year older the overlap between melt and lorenzo is amount of they tell him theres these videotapes that show him abusing children, which there arent in lorenzos. They actually go as far as to have him take his shoes off and they do this whole charade where this very angry cop comes back in with the shoe and says, well, im a shoe print expert, and your shoe mentions the print at the crime scene. That was untrue. Thank you. He said, all right, youve done nothing or as in the as you will, he did. You are not rest until in black or it is going to happen. Weve got one point you are coming down where you are there. So you the 3rd, are there goal is for the ideal or until you are there, even if you have no idea where you bury your brains, alive . Weve done it every day. If you were there were going to find out. Now thats interesting. He didnt say we had your blood, we had your saliva. He said, we have that to be tested. They said, write the missive on a huge room on a hot political issue. Well in the united states, police a, permitted to lie about it and say right out of sync on a fast that is a shocking discovery to most people. Most western countries dont permit it. The u. S. Supreme Court Permits it. So consequently you have 2 detectives making it seem as if we have independent evidence. They sometimes will get very specific about what that evidence is. Tell if youre involved in something theyve already started stripping process. And the mother already is believing what you people look for to see whether what were saying is actually playing out in the real world. And sort of thing to look at would be the u. S. Dollar versus the chinese or a big name for expire. Thats going to tell you whats happening in the global economy. If this all this debt is going to trigger all this money printing, the dollar will start to drift lower and its already, you know, looking very weak. I think the last 4 years under theyve been able to kind of propped up to a large degree. But i think now youre going to see a serious decline of the dollar. Chinese currency start to really outperform the dollar this is a story of women. Women was troubled histories and complex court cases. You know, some leave the person that the cheesiness and be considered the most dangerous of criminals. Shes in a civil all the off, 23 hours of the day. Tell me that its not enough punishment of women on death row. Still going to see both of you. Dead already. Is a little bit, isnt it . Is it true that the brain is you bet your surely that even better to savor it . For you, did you mean mistake . So he just introduced the word mistake. Hes about to develop this theme that enables lorenzo to admit some degree of involvement while minimizing his own role. Its part of a package of techniques that in which you communicate to is suspect that i think youre a good person. I understand what youve been through. I sympathize with what youve been through. Often you hear normalising statements like, you know what if i were in your situation, i would have done the same thing. And all, by the way, i dont think you intended to do this. I think it was an accident or maybe your friends put you up to it, or maybe you were provoked me to feel that it was the red zone. I dont think youd ever done it. I didnt want to jack the car into one that did the communication moves in one direction. It is designed to leave the person the suspect and think that the police dont think this is such a big deal and therefore be treated with leniency. Ok, so one of my choices, either i can be the accomplice who refuses to speak, or i can admit to what they want me to admit to, given all of the minimisation that theyve given me and enjoy the benefit of that. Whether im going to go, you know, how do you presume theyre going to do that . Big look at how much they have communicated already. He now knows so much about this crime that whether he was there or had anything to do with it or not, he now knows enough about it to give you a description. So why are you here . Were here at sleaze house systems in the computer here. 1st nature g. R. Who kicks you in the head. Of course, the building a story for him to tell or is it, you know, a great ridge goes to 0. Part of the trade shoes. Brazel position. Your job is just right. Hes now being set up. So that when hes ready to give a statement, he knows exactly what thats the bad news is kicked in, the head shoe dragging her through the blood. Hes got it all. So later a judge and the jury is going to watch the final confession and theyre going to be so impressed and unable to look past that because they keep on asking themselves what happened. You know, those things if he was in there, right . Stare me down. Oh, you made that up. I just stand here, i want your prior 5 minutes. You wait it up, you know, youre not going home tonight. I can guarantee that. And they did not put in a Juvenile Hall for her, which will be boys, you know, you read to mom, you talk now or say goodbye to your mom. Its pretty clear and your cousin and your sister is your goal and your life. Is you ready to run the royal or what kim and in this person do good results in the situation . Anything i guess you could hold out. Great for everyone. You just fall down, doesnt everybody have a breaking point . So why must he was imprisoned for 14 years, so he got out at 28. He was in solitary confinement for 4 years because when he goes into a grown up prison, hes 14. And he cant be in with the general population. So he goes to solitary confinement for 4 years, for 14. 00 to 18. 00, lorenzo was exonerated, and we have a similar rights suit pending for him. And the opposition are, you know, theyre, theyre moving to have the case dismissed based on qualified immunity for that. And if youre being interrogated, youre not being interrogated because theyre just looking for information youre being interrogated because they want you to confess. So today we have a 1st on wrongful conviction, which is that we have a retired n. Y. P. D. Homicide detective, among other things, current private investigator. Im pleased to introduce you j. Saltpeter. Welcome. Thank you very much and thank you for having me. So how are we going to get this fixed . I believe the remedy seems like a long shot to me its going to take forever. Well, the beginning is basically that all confess, you know, all interrogations are video and audiotape. And i think that would stop at least 75 percent of his friends confessions. I dont know how youre going to get away with it. I may, but a criminal Justice System as a straw looking at prosecutor is we be you which false . Confessions faster with making noise that make prosecutor culpable. I mean thats the frustration with the civil rights work is that the prosecutors are always absolutely immune. It doesnt matter what they did, they could have gotten right and punched the kid in the face and they would, we cannot get any liability. Of course, police are allowed to use trickery. And i know every defense attorney in the world is against that. So we talked about how out of these 4 cases, korean melter and lorenzo have all been exonerated by rene, you know, her case remains active and shes been in prison now for 20 years. Her son grew up without a mom. She, you know, he has, shes grandkids now that shes never met other than on a phone through glass. If she said to heart attacks while shes been in prison and its probably not getting the right medical treatment for that. You know, were just hoping that you know, time could be on our side and we can get her out sooner rather than later. But i mean, she is a, a life thats wasted. Good morning. How are you . Ok, how is your heart out having a half hour track of your very heart. I know. Have you done to play some together . Its ok i understand some difficulty and i know that its taking a lot of time but we dont want to mess it up. Renee, we only are only going to get one shot at this so just hang in there and promise you there will be an end and i hope its a good one, but there wont be an end. Developed thousands and ms of the disease newsmen. They are mares and do to them because those who knew the system is missing, the biggest hoax turns into will not do this thing. So you believe you do that got close to some of them to us. He in any way, blame himself for i think so controlling and can 1st thing. They all do with it. My own observations from talking to wrongfully convicted people is those who were wrongfully convicted by confession are not doing as well. The stigma they attach to themselves. They feel weak natl, stupid. They dont understand what happened, how to come down to themselves. And even when the convictions overturned, if the reason they were convicted of the confession as opposed to something else, the stigma attached to the state, even after they were exonerated, right . People are not quite 100 percent. Sure, i get the confession is so powerful that even therefore its supposed to evaporate. So corey, today is hes living well, right. He got a huge settlement, but it doesnt take away those demons in his head. You know, hes, he was in from 16 to almost 30. So what are you now when you come out . Hes never going to have the mental peace and rest that you know, you and i can probably accomplish sometimes. But he has lost his whole family. Theres no relationship with them really. And thats something that the thing my opinion, the city in the prosecutors took away from him. Right . That money cant replace combatants in society. You dont. You dont know how to do it in cherry. You dont know what adored her. So it is sort of your brain will be the morning star over here. Start to join the lingo, whatever the journey may be. If im going to stand in the house, going from wonder being free. It really is. A problem that, you know is systemic, right . Its a problem that victimizes, a lot of people. You have the, the person who falls in compresses whose life is ruined. You have their family, whose lives are ruined. You have the victim. Theyre still alive and the victims family who think theyre getting justice, but theyre not. And then you have multiple other problems that come from this main one being that by definition, when we walk up the wrong guy, we stop looking for the right guy. Its really a, its a, its a tremendous challenge. I think its a cultural problem. We need a whole societal education about this. Our criminal Justice System is based on the premise that its better for 10 guilty. People to go free than one innocent person to go to prison. Right. I mean, that is a fundamental concept of the american Justice System. But i think that the lying is one of the main things that they are somebody as well. I just guess the courts dont get it. Every story will false confessions, not just a story that gets at the question of why in gods name did an innocent person confess to a crime. He or she didnt commit. Its a 2nd story. And 2nd story line is how come the prosecutor, the judge, the jury, the appeals mr. There is now able to research actual cases, laboratory studies, field studies, and 100 plus years of basics like culture tells you why the people about efforts to lie to people about reality. You can change their perceptions and change their memories. You can change just about every aspect of the cult. Im sure youre pretty sure. Its all for your spread. The world is no dares thinks we dare to ask the impossible super wolf . Wheres the proof to show you how to do wu probable cause . If youre short order, it doesnt actually matter vegetable would have been murdered by you to go with us. Because all of those who do use the word because those told me again, we will see in the movie it is with you. It seems to most news, but is the most severe. Some of it is in your speech coming off the news, the of the 20th century was thing in or of revolution, the Great Depression and world wars, the 21st century of mental illness. Those arent my words. Thats what surfaced some psychiatry to tell us. 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