On Election Night with the results withheld from major democrat run locations only to appear. Later and they suddenly appeared and they all had the name biden and were just about all i think almost all they all had the name but none which is a little strange i challenge joe and every democrat to clarify that they only want legal votes because they talk about votes and i think they should use the word legal legal votes we want every legal vote counted and i want every legal vote counted we want openness and transparency no secret count rooms no mystery ballots no illegal votes being cast after election day you have election day and the laws are very strong and that you have an election day and they dont want the votes cast after election day and they want the process to be an honest one its so important we want an honest election and we want an honest count. And we want honest people working back there because its a very important so thats the way this country is going to win this way the United States will win and we think we will win the election very easily with it theres going to be a lot of litigation because we have so much evidence so much proof and its going to end up perhaps that the highest court in the land will see what we think theyll be a lot of litigation because we cant have an election stolen by it like this and i tell you i would i have been talking about this for many months with all of you and ive said very strongly that mail in ballots are going to end up being a disaster small elections were disaster small over is it and elections were disasters this is a large scale version and its getting worse and worse every day were hearing stories that are Horror Stories absolute Horror Stories and we cant let that happen to the United States of america its not a question of who wins republican democrat joe myself we cant let that happen to our country we cant be disgraced by having Something Like this happen so it will be hopefully cleared up maybe soon i hope soon but itll probably go through a process a Legal Process and as you know ive claimed certain states and hes claiming state so we can both claim the states but ultimately i have a feeling judges are going to have to rule but theres been a lot of shenanigans and we cant stand for that in our country thank you very much for. Your there President Trump making his remarks tonight its been a couple of days since hes spoken out and tonight he interesting only a manilla kind of positioned his campaign and his supporters in a way that would frame it as the people versus big influence he meant shall big media big money big tech big donors saying thats on one side that is attempting to rob his supporters of their. Rightful election he also referred to republicans now as the party of the American Worker it was a stark contrast in the way he was trying to frame it that you the people are being disenfranchised by these powerful forces well on that note he also mention that it was wall street that was the major donor to the Democrat Party to the democrat ticket all across this country not just for joe biden he was talking about down ticket as well that you saw a lot of big corporations donating to the democrat ticket which i think in years past historically it was the other way around it has been he also really touched on the media issues he were afraid of the polls as being fake polls or suppression polls he talked about the media know we getting it wrong he says they didnt just get the polls wrong they knowingly got it wrong in order to try to hold down look at everything the president said tonight is kind of expected at this point it certainly seems like he is making the case to the American People that courts will have to intervene because theyve got to set right and again this is not my words but his narrative to set right what has happened here in terms of big big money big influence in the Democratic Party trying to. Rob him of his right for election thats thats the way he is framed if we can but if we still have them we have lionel and robert patel oh still with us all right there they are our 2 wonderful attorneys here so you guys heard what the president had to say there in my perception of what i just saw there i saw a more contrite man than i was expecting i was expecting him to come up with a little more bluster beating his chest a little bit why dont how do you read the president s remarks there. Well i wasnt sure if there was contrition that i saw but i i think we saw a person who was obviously a little dejected tired perhaps i wish if i were to have written that i would have stuck more into the process of vote county and not litigate in reiterate and riya separate basically Campaign Ideas which he said before he should have made this is kind of a post hoc review but i wish he would have focused more about this is why we have to do this its nothing personal its kind of a i have to do what its about this system is about bigger maybe give some examples as opposed to reading and im not a fan of readers i dont like people coming out with a book if you dont have you know a couple of points from the heart he seems i think this really is gotten him if this is not the donald trump that were used to this is not the same fire and brimstone and bob how did you tonight how to what degree. If it was sad it was embarrassing it will the fed final chapter to a fair chapter in American History thats something you hear on an internet war were looking at situation what a broken and beat him cards in an almost everything you said in that speech was a lot it will take longer to be bunk every one of those laws we have on this show quoted. Georgie let you not george i was with you secretary referent berger is not a democrat hes got a liberal were going to rank him hes not a democrat hes got a little out with the lurch and that chris harvey is not a democrat hes not a what will my home county Harris County georgia where were you haul hamilton warm springs that i melted or located turned and mail in ballots. That had joe biden 500 votes over donald trump you cant tell your supporters for 6 months not to send in a piece of mail in ballots have been surprised when all the mail in ballots break against you told us they have final moment you find yourself getting angry a bit of the because they had broken down. Every. Understanding that theres no pair. So it seems like in the theres a lot to do just from that but it seems like the president isnt even making the case that he thinks hes going to pull it out thats how i took it i did not hear him making any kind of definitive case for this is my path forward however what i did hear is this is my path forward after the white house because hes making an argument for himself i didnt actually lose this thing it was taken from me there is no actual loss here so even if i lose i win because my supporters my followers i expanded the Republican Party i brought in more minorities than any president since the sixtys on the republican side president has actually gathered in this election more votes than any republican president president ial candidate in history so he does have some things here d to kind of fall back on but he cant fall back on a loss so instead hes saying it was taken from me rob and i think thats the real narrative were seeing here its not that hes broken its that hes preparing for chapter 2 even if that happens outside the White House Well im thinking for Grover Cleveland situation i think hes going to run again in only 24 but hes going to take it as a base is never going to concede never going to admit. What Media Company at some time in comic continue to move Forward Support republican candidates and only 2 of them how great back on the battle would be 2024 either him or john. So and look were going to be a country where we are going to go. George w. Bush or tibet john edwards and John Quincy Adams were going to be looking out for the talked about boy if it were after the fall. And they want to go for him and say part of america. Well i think there is no. Yes no go back now after your days. There is not anybody there is not anybody who is who has been mightily conversant even if youre double parked in terms of news and youre not really big if you have not seen at least a 1000 examples depending upon the source whether a project very well theres individuals whether its your citizens with their phone and if you have not seen incredible voter fraud theres a sorority georgia or your hometown but you name it so i dont think the president has to establish that if you dont know there has been and maybe not just in this election but baby perhaps throughout the history of our republic but remount especially if you dont know the fix is it and if you dont see what kind of a corrupt organizations the power structure where you have people stopping the vote what is this time out like in boxing hold it hows he doing hes down all day im out im going to more go duty said you know that may not have happened but in order to remove the this stench of stench of perceived. Incorrectness it would behoove everybody to check this thing out and granted that might have been not had been his is best speech ever either and i correct and i commend my colleague for being able to not only wax pythonic in vatican to read the mind of President Trump you sir have a talent a talent indeed that im honored to share at this moment and guys i want to point out a little earlier today obviously it was joe biden who spoke he was calling for calm he wasnt going to stress about possibly possibly being the president elect not just yet however i mean if you compare and contrast the 2 it was a tone and tenor of both men kind of made sense but you know what i did notice that was missing from joe bidens conversation earlier was that there was no one honkie there was no mention of russia collusion guys what do you think about that i dont. Well listen let me tell you something bless his heart you know joe biden right now i mean i can just see him you know afraid of my National Question i think it really speaks to it would you want joe biden to drive you home from the airport let me just talk about something right now i mean you put all this is side this is this says either something about is good or bad when we have a man that im not even sure knows where he is and he is most probably what we see is correct going to be sworn in as the president and i for the project since since were predicting he will serve my term shorter than William Henry harrison of 31. 00 days when kamel harris will be removed immediately something will happen joel will maybe perhaps that aneurism god forbid something will pop up maybe coated maybe 8 maybe senescence but he will be moved because if you think our venue but he thinks that joe biden is going to be if he is the he is the intended get it and you think that well my friend happy birthday you were born yesterday robert can you respond to that do you think that there is a likely ive heard from a lot of people on both sides who they all seem to believe that biden will not serve his entire 1st term i mean and i hear it from democrats who say that the time with me are from republicans who say it would be a scandal but ive heard very few people disagree with that idea do you disagree with. Of course i disagree with that idea we live in a country now where people are. Still working all deep into their eightys into their ninetys this is a you know William Henry harrison died i think it was 68 years old so he was the oldest president at the time so in order to shoulder his virility in his youth he decided to give his speech without a cold in the head on as a result of him catching them while you are in a country were 68 years old considered to be old it was of course joe biden to serve out his term i think its important that he does because hes a throwback to the air of politics where we were not governing in a 51 to 49 country where we were we have bipartisan agreement we did big things and big big projects of the nature we put people on the moon we won cold war 2 what we liberated the western civilization thats what america used to do when we worked across party lines what you just saw in that speech was a small im am well a small mind working on small issues who have that im interested in the future and the substance of this nation but with more so interested in holding all to power it will be objected by that that despite looting by 4000000 votes remember were not going to talk about the federal prison probably is down 4000000 votes and the popular vote is still hanging i want to win instead of talking about that and bring the nation we gather all you want to be whats been a right wing conspiracy theories that he read on the chess board on right board or on you and on message board and think that thats what the American People care about he was surprised that he lost thats not what america theyre about all right gentlemen i got to cut he went on i got to get you had in here i want to thank you both for sticking around through president trunks remarks and then coming out to talk about it on the other side obviously he is still a very divisive figure in american politics and in our society really so i dont dont think thats going to last were going to hear from President Trump before the numbers and then robert tellen line oh thank you so much lets talk a little bit about what those numbers. Were talking when the numbers come in and heres where we stand tonight lets run through a couple of these things because really there are 5 states that remain outstanding at this point we thought they would be fewer than those by now but its not lets start in nevada nevada has 6 electoral votes right now by a. P. Projections that state alone because joe biden now sits at 264. 00 electoral votes would be enough with 6 to get him right smack dab to 70 thats what he needs to secure the white house currently biden is in the lead by about 12000 votes he leads 49. 5 percent to 48. 5 percent only 76 percent reporting there the Trump Campaign filed a lawsuit in nevada today challenging some of those results saying they have proof that at least 10000 ballots were filed by people who dont live in the state they also brought forward a woman who says that she and her roommate went to vote and they were told that they had already voted clark county thats where las vegas is they say that they have a bulk of mail ballots that will be processed over saturday or sunday but they say that 51000 ballots will be reported tomorrow morning at 10 am local time so depending on what those ballots say the numbers youre looking at right now will likely change by tomorrow georgia so we heard a lot about georgia tonight robert mentioned about living in georgia were told that georgia would be done as of last night it is still not done as of tonight we were then told it would probably be done tonight its still not done. The vote total there is razor thin 99 percent reporting in terms of the ballot count there President Trump leads by 3 tenths of a percentage point 9049. 5 percent to 49. 2 percent 3 tenths of a percentage point it translates into about 14000 votes the campaign filed a lawsuit in georgia last night they were calling for a stop to counting claiming irregularities but a judge has denied that request georgia has 99 percent of all ballots counted if biden picks up georgia which he may he may overtake trump in these last few hours. If he does he said to 80 North Carolina now that is still not in it remains at 94 percent of the ballots counted their president has his largest lead there you heard him mention it during his News Conference 50 percent to 48 percent he has a lead of about 80000 votes it is very unlikely hes going to be overtaken in North Carolina but for some reason North Carolina is still not done county pennsylvania this is where a lot of the legal challenges have taken place today we talked about it at length of the beginning so i wont recap that for you but as we have been telling you 88 percent of the ballots have been counted there the problem for the president is that right now he holds on to a very slim lead there 50 percent to 48 percent because of the fact that virtually all the ballots being counted right now are those mail in ballots its very likely with the remaining ballots that biden will probably overtake the president in pennsylvania that is what were expecting at this point so theres a lot to talk about here in terms of what those numbers look like and it appears from the way the president sounded tonight he wasnt really fighting to say were still going to make it instead it sounded like to an extent. You can translate it how youd like. It sounded like he was conceding to some extent that he has been cheated out of the white house and hes not going to be able to overcome the word he used the shenanigans that have taken place depends on what side of the aisle that you personally said on how you perceived the man that walked into the White House Press room so d that you know each other workshop test really yeah absolutely lets bring in Steve MalzbergRuben Navarette guys thanks for joining us you know one of the things that the the president talked about tonight and i want to get your your thoughts on it he he hit on this issue of big media big money big tech big donors tried this was the theme tonight was there are powerful forces in this country they colluded against me from the beginning ive been telling you for months he says steve that this was going to happen with mail in ballots and now its happened he saying these these forces are all working against me and now here i am and maybe they got me thats the way it sounded to me how did you take it. Absolutely and hes absolutely right this is a sham that fixes it in the fix hes been in from the beginning all these states so you know just going around the voter and changing the voting rules claiming that its because of covert setting up this scenario where you think they cant finish counting the votes in georgia or North Carolina or whatever theyre just theyre just waiting theyre coordinating with the biden people and theyre just waiting to see how theyre going to do this because if they come out now in georgia and say or pennsylvania say the president you know biden won it well then he gets the nomination then he has to come out an hour later so theyre just waiting and playing on bidens timeline we all know its a joke every night after night after that i sit there and i watch the big boards you know whether its on c. N. N. Or wherever it is and guess why the numbers more folks have come in in this state more votes have come in and thats standing guess what biden picked up votes trumps leaders evaporating what a surprise this is really a travesty and i got to say. A c. N. N. Said after the president spoke of a bad think it was jake tapper but the panel they are sad day for the country he was spewing lie after lie undermining our democracy and one of the commentators said that the president as children a calling for violence in america trying to take the country down with them so thats that Media Coverage that skit that is obviously patently false but but since were talking about the media here what you guys say is the actual role of the press in these elections i mean arent we supposed to be the observers of the process because these days it does seem like the media wields so much power that it could actually steer perception steer the publics and ultimately steer the election itself then. Yeah absolutely you know were supposed to be in the media the observer the impartial observer were not opposed to the influence or in this case weve moved even past that to become the decider in fact that were in the arena is full combatants this is something almost unique to the presidency for the last 4 years weve seen this over and over again every time trump went after c. N. N. Directly if youre one of the people whos paycheck says c. N. N. On it and you have we were coats and ties its a c. N. N. I want you took that personally and it became a war between the jim acosta that c. N. N. Jake tappers at c. N. N. Versus the president this has become way too personal for members of my profession theres no question im in the uncomfortable position of being a number trump or somebody who thinks the president should be defeated hope see is defeated and yet finds himself very sympathetic to the president when he complains about the media because steve is right my friend steve is right the president has got an unfair shake from this media and i think its all people out there like me who dont think dont trust in a particular good president but we hate it that we have to defend the guy against an unfair media ive been in their shoes i want to i want to add value a lot of people are going to are you know you do the show in the press and so i am. Sure this will come up fox news calling arizona on the night of the election with less than one percent of the votes counted now listen it may hold and ultimately if it does then fox says see we knew from the beginning our decision does made the right call but its so interesting to see that c. N. N. And even in d. C. Animus in d. C. Have not called arizona because they say its too close the trunk Campaign Says they have enough votes to overtake it maybe they do maybe they dont is this whole process of projecting especially when youre that far away its just i know its shocking to a lot of people and a lot of conservatives seem to be very angry at the idea that fox maybe made this call prematurely while at the same time it took fox all night to call texas that trump by right one by over a 1000000 votes and let me let me add to that real quickly over a 1000000 votes and let me let me add to that real quickly is that the complaint was that that because fox called it so early with less than one percent in they the trump camp called arizona and said that you were steering the election by making that call they say that people stayed home because of that call what do you think steve. Well i think that they dont call the state until the polls close so im not really sure who would have stayed home at that point i think theyre talking about you know voters that i think theyre talking about voters in california who are in a different time are ok yeah well well of course caliph and he was going to win california anyway but to write but i was on Election Night and i went on with the panel shortly after this happened then and the report fox it themselves said that they got a call from the trump people saying that they were not happy with what we fox did but to me i think theres too much being made about it although you know theyre looking at the head of the Election Bureau and theyre saying he contributed to this democratic candidate hes a democrat i dont know if thats true or not and i dont know that it matters in the long run its not going to matter because the polls were. Close but i you know overall weve seen this shift in fox absolutely weve seen it but they still are the at least giving trump the most benefit of the doubt of all the Cable Networks that just you know call him an outright liar and disruptor and hits the country and his you know every name in the book ok do you think this is the future of media and what weve seen the last 4 i dont know i wrote earlier you said that weve seen this in the last 4 years i would say the divisiveness really was exacerbated during the Obama Administration that was the 1st time i think weve saw media actually start to call a sitting president any names but in any case should the media be less biased like it used to be or have we kind of crossed the rubicon and were never going back and this is the way it is now. It is hard to imagine going back to the way it used to be i would go back even further i say this one off the the train went off the tracks during the Clinton Administration in the early one 990. 00 s. During clinton during bush during obama the media decided it wanted to be a player it was tired of being a spectator they wanted to see the table they wanted to become involved and become a participant a combatant and it shouldnt be thats not where it belongs and it caused a lot of trouble and a lot of problems when its at the table as this question about fox news its worth saying this is actually been happening for a long long time my friends who are conservatives do not like fox news they have not like fox news for 4 or 5 years the reason you have a surge in broadcast media like sinclair and others you have real people putting real money and to make a run at fox news on the far right because they think fox news is way too corporate and has become way too hard on the president and they didnt help matters when Chris Wallace of fox news became one of the antagonistic figures by fighting trump as a debate as well for all to see so clearly this is a bigger soap opera between conservatism fox news i dont think that relationship ever gets repaired yeah id agree that its probably a lot of it started with. Clinton a lot of it started with fox news by the way of turning this into a sport but both of you we have about 2 minutes left so a minute each want to get this real quick the president made the statement tonight he said the media know we only got it wrong talking about the polls and this is the 2nd time they said they fix their polling its not a question of polling but to the to the point that a lot of people who are supporters of the president will believe will start with you ruben do you think that many of those supporters believe the media was intentionally trying to set up a scenario to dissuade them from going out and voting and do they think the fix is in from all these different corporate powers not just media but big media big money big tech. Quickly yes they believe the fix is in they hate the media they hate big tech they hate hollywood they believe all those who were out to get them and work against them and theyre not completely wrong to be honest right but on the other hand i think you got to be careful with this if the poll said by going to run away with it it also had the effect of suppressing the biden vote because if im a biden voter i decide im not really going to go because to vote because it is a matter whos going to win anyway so youve got to be careful how you play this out unless they were counting on steve the early votes in the mail which in which case it would have worked. You know thats true but as far as the pollsters go you know there are a lot of unhappy and then broke democratic senatorial candidates that were encouraged by the polls their donors were encouraged by the polls so to pony up look ahead 8 points 9. 5 points 10 points 12 points and these people all lost so the polls got it wrong all the way around all that but what i love most very quickly arizona when they talk about the protests at the arizona voting by counting vote counting places they see the protests is that. Theyre allowed to carry guns not breaking the law but they had guns you know the implication without the explanation all right guys we got to leave it right there as Steve Malzberg the press and syndicated columnist Ruben Navarrette thank you guys that does it for us i am willing to hand keep everything up to date all throughout the night in the portable. To be up for you can watch us now 247 will be back at anthrax attack. 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