Resumed in peace state to decide the next president. Now 2 days on from the election america still doesnt know who will be on to the keys to the white house and everything does hang on the key swing states that are yet to to clash so at the moment things are looking good for Democrat Joe Biden and he has the backing all of you can see right that 264 electors that is if you include arizona which some say is to cool if it is the his though it means that he just needs 6 mall to reach the magic 270 for victory donald trump on the other hand you can see its a bit behind with 214 well lets look at the post ways to power a full of accountants food joint biden securing a majority in nevada right here would haunt him 6 electors which is enough to put him in the white house for 4 more years of donald trump so the incumbent president would have to win 5 states with a result isnt clear yet these are the ones that a great man trump is currently ahead in 4 of them excluding nevada in georgia the current margin is only north point 3 percent so it will go nothing is soft and the odds are stacked in vitamins favor. Well lets just focus more on nevada as you can see its incredibly tight with 24 percent of the vote still to be counted that is being done right now. While the tense atmosphere surrounding the counting of the votes has been playing out on the streets to thousands have been venting their anger around the country violence even erupted at some protests with demonstrators facing off with police. Well im joined in the studio now by of course on a fokker spondon i mean tension is a new in america weve seen the summer of riots but it really looks like the temperature is heating up there is a lot at stake thats understandable that temperatures and tensions are running high absolutely and what isnt helping with you know cooling everything down with people with bringing people back to their senses is that how rapidly the situation is unfolding how rapidly this whole election is migrating from the polling stations into some legal territory i mean not all the votes have been counted some of the key battlegrounds are staying still being a toss up and already donald trump is pushing for legal action is hes already said that he will legally challenge he will file legal lawsuits to all of the states which biden has recently claimed its not clear which states exactly hes talking about because he hasnt specified what recently means when he says that but definitely means pennsylvania michigan probably as well as nevada wisconsin and so on and so forth so a lot of states will be dragged into a force possibly pro. Track to the legal well Legal Process because after these elections and this is just one of the cases this is just one of the one of the examples because for instance in philadelphia in philly members of trumps team have been allowed to monitor the counting of the votes in fact just recently philadelphia announced that they will be holding this counting because of this legal act because of this legal challenge from Donald Trumps team but earlier trumps team had announced that they would be monitoring this from as far as 6 feet away thats very precise but obviously theyre trying to be on top of all these all these things and in fact members of trumps a team on the ground are they explained why they are doing this and what exactly they are trying to achieve with these you know legal scuffles if i may say. They continue to count illegal votes that is unacceptable. And its giving legal people. A sense that the system is corrupt we have to have a system where legal votes are cast but the harry reid machine has done is the row out recklessly ballots. And now they dont want us to check those ballots and we are seen discrepancies all over. But statements like these they have this temperature youve been talking about only rising more and more because the 2 sides of the country because you can see how close this election is right so basically you have half of the country whos adamantly against trump and another half of the of the country who are for trump and so when you tell one half that guys youre being screwed over that your votes are being stolen that there are some people who shouldnt be voting that there are some ballots who which shouldnt be counted which are being you know put down on the roast and these votes go food joe biden these people get very very angry and a different kind of people they also feel disenfranchised they feel that look as if trump doesnt want some valid votes to be counted just to win the election just to keep the seat in the white house so both camps are getting really angry at each other and so this could lead to some some heavy conscious some really bad consequences in the streets the Election Night has seen some protests already and some scuffles in washington d. C. And in seattle and supporters they keep coming they keep flocking to the streets and venting their anger there. Rob. Ok thank you. So well if you ask me this is just the beginning because this legal action this is a you know all these legal scuffles that this could be just the beginning because if you go back to the case of george bush and al gore that lasted for what for about a month and he had the tensions and arguably of course but if you ask me again they are much higher now because the countrys more divided trump is a more divisive figure than either george bush or combined so really this could become this could get really nasty real fast equally as fast as this whole thing is moving to well i mean sudden this elections coming out one of the most polarized times in American Society will suck not helping the situation now is a question of in a straight ahead many thanks. Well despite the legal action being taken several Election Commissions in america insist that every ballot that was valid was counted and i curate we reported International Observers will says that the vote did go according to the rules and a slam to president trumps allegations of fraud saying it damages public trust in democratic institutions. And so when it is still counting votes on could prove crucial trying one that back in 2016 long run of democrat wins all teams turn to chavez now has more on why the state swings between these 2 parties. Pennsylvania with nearly 13000000 residents is arguably the single most important stage of the 2020 election but in many ways the keystone state mirrors the country while its rust belt is dotted with the shuttered factories and rundown chimneys its also a place of affluent liberal suburbs and conservative countryside reflecting a divided america i mean the devices in this sense going on in this country right now its ridiculous and i dont care what anybody says that it is a race. And very lucky that somebody like donald trump is. My president and i can vote for him again while the northeast and the southwest corners of pennsylvania residents come from a long line of Blue Collar Workers like old coal mines and Steel Industries the States Eastern and western borders hold the biggest Population Centers and a lot of industry and heartland in between and although pennsylvania is considered a blue wall state as it has a history of voting democratic that changed in 2016 when donald trump won the state over democratic contender Hillary Clinton by a point 7 percent congratulations mr president but now 4 years later controversial Pipeline Projects have helped make fracking a political flashpoint in the debate over energy the Climate Crisis and the influence of big business these 2 parties are radically different and that is what i think is each part. Is controlled much more by its what would be the strong i guess its extreme wing youre right. Both candidates focusing on pennsylvania president trunk holding several rallies theyre trying to woo the region with promises of coal and steel jobs while insisting that joe biden what a limb in a frock is hard for a bargain is a virtue or if youre. For arc it and deliver economic ruin to pennsylvania and your families but youve got to be pretty clear biden who grew up in pennsylvania says he isnt calling for the immediate end to the oil industry but is pushing for ending federal subsidies for fossil fuel companies and ending new permits on public land for fracking president tropics terrified of what happened in pennsylvania you know the people the president get to have their say if you have a notion he doesnt stand a chance as pennsylvania is the 2nd largest producer of natural gas in the United States and the 3rd largest net supplier of energy the American Petroleum institute estimates its Natural Gas Industry contributes nearly 30 5000000000. 00 to the state and combined with its oil industry it supports about 340000. 00 local jobs were afraid that if they buy a ticket wins that the gas and oil thing is going to be shut down in spite of what they say. Well lets quickly recap whos got what so far with the situation as joe biden currently has 264 elective with ours so you know which hasnt been called by everyone quite yet donald trump has 214 in the process to 70 claims the prize winning just one more state like nevada which handed victory to fight and while trump in want to turn the tide would have to take the remaining ground states like North Carolina and pennsylvania on due to declare some time. Well the editorial director of the American Institute for Economic Research jeffrey alba tucker believes that if biden wins huff of america wont even consider him the president. My read of the situation on the ground is that. Probably half or more of republicans think this whole entire voting apparatus is rigged if biden ekes out this little victory this time in victory with a couple of states that swing swing states where there are some suspicious ballots biden comes becomes president with with on almost you know with very little the gentleman say and certainly no serious consensus so there will be no mandate for biden and this will last for 4 years which is very interesting situation politically for for the United States especially since the democrats failed to turn up for that for the house the house they lost apparently 5 seats and the 7 senate is complete control both g. O. P. And not to mention the Supreme Court is already a done deal so biden becomes the basis for 4 years where you know after the american public. To be their fake president i dont think that a lot of the people that are dedicated to trumpet of work so hard for israels action including the you know hundreds of thousands of moves people have turned out to israel as of last month are ready to let us go and so theres can be a lot of screaming and gnashing of teeth over the next. 30 to 60 days already leading up to the to the end of the year absolutely so by him cant just say magic words that everybody recognize me as president lets go back to our normal lives be peaceful i dont think theres any chance that. The right now were going to cross to a press conference thats taking place in county in clark county in nevada which is of course one of the battleground states lets listen in to whats being set. Or that are being cured would be a small number and we will continue to put those in but the bulk of our ballots were hoping will be read by saturday or sunday this weekend. And again we wont complete until november 12th with all of those other ballots that service exceptions so with that information ive got a short period of time here where i can answer some questions from here. My response is that we are not aware of any improper ballots that are being processed. Or. Not directly that im aware of. I think its important for the entire country to understand that mail ballots on this scale is very new to the state of nevada we made a decision here to provide as much access as we possibly could as a result of the pandemic and so our process has run a little bit slower. We also have to make sure that our data is being updated because we need to prevent people from voting twice in the system and so we have to scan those in his mail received so that updates the database or in person voters cant have voted twice were still receiving information from our election day laptops thatll be complete today so were going to update and make sure that all of the information was downloaded from all 1300 of those laptops that were used on election day to make sure that the Automated System will reject mail ballots for somebody who has voted on election day so our goal here in clark county is not to count fast we want to make sure that were being accurate the results in the state of nevada obviously are going to be very important to the entire country and that is our number one goal. Every time that ill never. Get just went through the whole thing. Because it is because well i went through a long process. So how about we get together after this why is it no wonder you can count 70000 a day i think i just answered that question you said deliberately but if you dont ask me why arent you because theyre not available sir there are many steps in the process so the 1st process is that we run it through arduous machine then there are 2 manual process and then it goes to the county board and then it goes to tabulation. I need you to speak up so i can hear your question. You. Know. I did not say they were already counted i said today the staff is prepared to count 51000 ballots that are ready to be counted today those will be reported tomorrow at 10 am right there next to. Folks i really need you are to speak up i cannot hear you. Those are separate and thats why i listed in my statement that those are separate from the numbers that i reported 1st. We dont i dont have that number with. Me to summarize. What just already a quick recap that was representative speaking from nevada which is of course a state that is getting a lot of attention at the moment that waiting for the votes to count and we might have to wait a bit longer it sounds like the final tally might not be known until the 12th over no found but what is important is that he said hes found absolutely no evidence yet of any instances of force and not somewhat clashes with what Trump Campaign is saying in fact in recent hours we heard them coming out and saying that there is quote plenty of evidence to prove to us were going to have to wait around to see what happens but in the site nothing clear any time yet while politicians around the world have also expressed their frustration over the uncertainty surrounding the u. S. Elections while Iran Supreme Leader mocked the process european politicians have also expressed concern. It is also clear to us that we in the European Union have every reason to insist that europe should develop its own strengths particularly in view of the development of the United States in International Politics what a spectacle one says this is the most fraudulent election in u. S. History who says that the president who is currently in office is a rival says trump intends to rig the election this is how u. S. Elections and u. S. Democracy are but the polarization of america should be a warning for europe we are successful because we preach differences between countries and peoples so we benefit together if we lose the ability to compromise i would democracies are in danger. What it all went to this issue thats crosslike not want gaslights political analyst Michel Bharat federica bindy director of Foreign Policy initiative the institute for womens policy research and private investor and writer charles so we had obviously this is an election that got so much interest all around the wild charles i want to start with you how do you think this is going to affect americas standing especially when it comes to ideas of how and democracy should run in a democratic process. Well theres a lot of evidence we have to consider and ill get to the punchline i believe the President Donald Trump was reelected on november 3rd by a legitimate count of votes cast by that deadline and i think the process is now going to play out we need to remember that the media does not call elections the process involves an Electoral College vote where the different states have to certify that their results were accurate if they cant do that and go through a process so we can this is a very unusual in modern times situation but the way i look at it when you look state by state what you see in the evidence is that its states that donald trump in theory lost which he may have won in 2016 happen to be states. In which down ticket republican ballots have done very well there are also many allegations of extremely suspicious activities of in michigan and wisconsin and pennsylvania sort of that need to be fully investigated and they will be. Mr i want to also just go to you because i saw you slightly reacting thank shaking your head thats what charles was saying but i want to ask you in your opinion is this i mean these may just been a tiny margins is this an example of like a true democracy in action. Well it is a democracy in action until it is sort of is because you know i think if donald trump would be in the world series if hes winning in the 8th inning he say lets call it a game already its going to rain you know lets call it i won and thats i mean i think its preposterous if this is a democracy the votes need to be counted they need to be in certain states postmarked by a certain date and then received by a certain date i happen to know that in new york state for absentee Ballot Voters outside of the country it has to be postmarked by november 3rd and received by november 13th thats 10 days after the election day thats the law so those votes have to be counted even though new york state already has a winner so im not understanding why i mean i think its great that the that the guest before me thinks that donald trump one on election day i dont know where he gets his information is that a prophecy is that you know feeling that he has because the election has been certified has been certified by the by the attorney generals of states and the Election Commission and it certainly hasnt been certified by the Electoral College so you know we dont know anything right now we know where states have called the winner forget the media we know states have called the winner and have counted 100 percent of the votes or theyve counted enough that the absentee ballots are not going to make a difference even if one candidate gets 100 percent of those votes so those states have called and theyve certified that and there are states that have it now its interesting that you know theres fraud you know that trump comes out in the sense as legal team there to go i think what we need to do is go back to barack obama this is a tactic remember the president president. During obamas presidency came out with a preposterous claim that he was never born in hawaii in the United States and obama ignored him because this is tactic to accuse someone of something and then get him to defend so hes doing the same thing he says is fraud theres lots of fraud hes been saying. For weeks that there will be fraud in the election this is the marker saying its a vibrant democracy and theyre going to count the votes and whoever gets more votes per state and wins or states is going to win and become president United States right now it could be donald trump or it could be joe biden were going to have to wait and see charles before before you have a chance to respond to that i just wanted to add something because you i heard you use the usual about these elections and indeed so but they have been made unusual not by the not be the by the Election Officials but rather by circumstances by the coronavirus point pandemic and this is this is the mail in vote mail in ballots they have been sort of a response theyve been giving a chance to people who wanted to stay at home who didnt want to get exposed to to cast their votes to make their voices heard so what would you suggest how would you how would you avoid ballots in a situation like this. Well im not trying to get rid of mail in ballots ballots but i would well im not trying to get rid of mail in ballots ballots but i would. Mention that there are specific and credible allegations of an internal person in the post Office Department triggered an Inspector General investigation of back dated ballots being mailed after november 3rd. With the with the wrong date on them so instances like that have to be investigated fully were not talking about 2 ballots here were talking about thousands tens of thousands of ballots in different states all im saying is people who voted on november 4th should not be allowed their votes do not count in this election if somebody were postmark something wrong israel or somewhere else november 3rd then it counts but the issue is. Ballots cast before november 3rd and after november of federico i want to ask you now i mean. Was saying that so i watched tension not just between the 2 candidates who are both saying that that wanting to go all the way you know to get this cleared up all the way even the thought remains going to Supreme Court was also tension on the streets do you think that we are going to see in the u. S. Some kind of constitutional crisis. Well before it i get to that the think its its worth explaining something theyre free kinds of bolt in american elections both and see the express on election day in person is a vote that is expressed in person before it action day and there is then a lot which is to sent by mail before election day and when the deadline for receiving that and how you count them depends on state to state but these are all very safe ballots because that is old saw in the patched and the proof of who was sent to them and they compare senior sure and so on and so there is no space for for out. Now in some states these ballots needs to be needs to arrive by election day in some states then they can arrive later which is why theyre being counted later theres nothing constitutional that this is actually respecting below claiming as the 1st guest said that that the votes should be there though its on the ballots at the drive by election they should be counted is is wrong and by the way if we were. Counting biden would have won by a large margin and in fact trans people in one state are saying stop the counting now to one are saying keep counting all right so there they are you. So i dont think theres going to be a constitutional crisis they may be sporadic violence here and there around the country everybody expected that but this is mostly because of tramps not accepting the result. Well michel i just want to go to you because you again you have i could see you reacting to whats been said by charles and for the rica and i just want to say that well after all the reserve policy that claims Election Fraud here and but they dont want to just cost away all the ballots that have been that have been counted after a certain date what donald trump is suggesting is that things are taking to the Supreme Court and then the judges decide and i just want to ask you a what if the judges looks at that and well if there is no Election Fraud they would just go well the elections were fair all the ballots that we have seeing they are all valid and they should be counted and they will should be put on the roaster and adding up to that how do you think how do you think things will play out will it get to the Supreme Court and how the Supreme Court might see this case. Look im not an expert in Supreme Court or a law but i did see the attorney general of the state of pennsylvania i think is name is joshua pirro on c. N. N. Before i came here and he said you know they said were were going to bring this to the Supreme Court of the Supreme Court of pennsylvania and he said the Supreme Court has already you know twice said theyre not going to see this case because we have a rule that if its postmarked by election day november 9th we get it but i think you know all this apocalyptic you know prophecy about theres going to be its going to be a long haul in violence and you know its uncertainty i think we have to just go look at what joe biden said last night he came out last night he says i think we won this and were going to get past this and weve got to have to start respecting people and listening to people and he sounded very president ial and he sounded like someone who is. Concerned with the country and i think thats the tone that his his camp is setting they way they want to set that and on the other all sorts of fraud but yet you know who has come out and said ive heard you know Rudy Giuliani ive heard other republican say therefore i havent seen any fraud complaints from from voting and from Election Commissions and Rudy Giuliani i think you know its a little bit funny i think he has a different take on reality than everyone else his name came up recently because baron cohen who played ball rot accused him of you know about to fondling or be sexually involved with his fake daughter on the movie and he said its totally made up i was talking in my shirt that was a great line until everyone saw the movie and the guy is lying on the bed with his hand down his pants and this is the person that the president picks to fight his legal battle on Election Fraud he has very little credibility like he is no james baker when when bush and gore were fighting over florida he has no standing anymore not in the court of Public Opinion and then anywhere else so its become a little bit of a circus here and again this was predicted before because trump said this is going to happen theres going to be fraud because he was setting it up but the truth is this is a perfect theres a perfect thats what donald trump wants because obviously so im going to leave it that i want to bring it so im so sorry to cast but weve let she weve run out of time theres so much talk about we could go on for hours but i appreciate all 3 of you for coming on to the program many thanks well be bringing you up to date fix what. 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