Well this is a national from moscow 247 thing and 2 nov 5th welcome to the program. Well to start us off because it is known as november 5th the fate of the u. S. Presidency rests in the hands of hof a dozen states still counting votes right now as we speak results that hang in the balance on could still go either way biden has claimed victory in the state of wisconsin edging him closer to the white house but dont trump is not going down without a fight he has demanded a recount of ballots that filed a little suit to halt vote counting in both michigan and pennsylvania well joy be joining me live now is our tease kate up more penn hes reporting from new york team bidens claiming victory is not far away they can smell it but donald trump people ought to monte now hold to the vote count in those 2 states that we said but its a bit strange because trump is that he was winning pennsylvania so whats going on here indeed well the issue being cited in the lawsuit is transparency the Trump Campaign claims that there is a lack of transparency in the way the votes are being counted in pennsylvania and in michigan they want the counting to stop until that issue can be addressed and this fits what donald trump and tears said on social media and is being echoed by his supporters we had donald trump tweet out basically suspicion of what he is referring to as ballot dumps arguing that there is something irregular about the votes that are coming in at the last minute and he argues that theyre shifting the results to dramatically to be natural donald trump tweeted out quote. Last night i was leading often solidly in many key states in almost all instances democrat run and controlled then one by one they started to magically disappear as surprise ballot dumps were counted very strange and the pollsters got it completely and historically wrong how come they count mail and ballot dumps they are so devastating in the percentage and their power of destruction and trump later went on to say that he feared that his lead in pennsylvania would be taken away by a mysterious ballot dump now twitter has has flagged these tweets and accused them of being quote disputed and saying that theyre disputed and might be misleading about an election or civic matter in order to look at these tweets by the president of United States one has to click on a disclaimer that has been put to cover them up theyre not showing up in peoples feeds now in addition to that at this point were waiting to hear from Joe Biden Joe biden is expected to start speaking at any moment many are expecting that joe biden will declare victory you know his campaign has already said that theyre on the road to a win and you know the votes in wisconsin and in michigan that had been counted seemed to look very good for but joe biden and give him kind of a surprise sudden lead in those states people are waiting for results from georgia as well 3 and nevada now this count in pennsylvania that the Trump Campaign is filing for the courts to stop it was already going to be delayed because a federal judge had ordered that the postal facility in pennsylvania be subject to inspection this is the postal facility where mail in ballot ballots are being collected so now were waiting to see what is ruled in michigan and pennsylvania but it appears that the trump camp is crying foul and saying that something is afoot they smell foul play they suspect there is some kind. Fraud meanwhile many in the biden camp are quite jubilant and they say this is what they predicted all along they had been predictions that trump would declare victory ahead of time and then try to stop the vote counting so both sides seem to be having contrary narratives about what has happened here now of course social media is abuzz with different theories about whats going on Trump Supporters crying foul biden supporters crying foul against trump and it is the day after the election we still do not have results in the u. S. President ial election we heard trump invoked the possibility of the u. S. Supreme court weighing in bringing back memories of bush versus gore in the 2000 election and so the whole country is still Still Holding their breath waiting and watching still no results as the country anxiously anticipates finding out who will be president for the next 4 years will side next that also claims i decide but you still very little concrete information going out to see how those other key battleground states shape up that locatable open reporting from new york. When i dont know tom nortec biden seemed to be waiting to concede as we just heard from kate upton accusations of voter fraud and threats to take them out to to the Supreme Court not only pacing father stress on the already existing divisions in American Society on the i discuss the current Political Climate atis markdown status. Well that theyre claiming that they would get with an election this close with an election this close well where youve got to wait until the final hours to see who voted for whom who is actually leading you need to set a precedent d. D. To create fear and need to make noise to make sure that when it comes when it comes to time for a recount perhaps or a challenge to the Supreme Court you can say that over remember i was shouting about this or i was i was screaming about voter fraud there or this was unfair so what about sitting in creating a precedent these this was an Ugly Campaign the situation the streets in america is ugly people are completely divided and its a 2 cabs and this wasnt a blowout as polls indicated after all this was a much clues election suggesting that theres still a lot of americans despite everything that the United States has been through this year that support trouble and theyre all b. S. The good to be very unhappy if theres a beaut president in the white house so now trump is creating all this noise shouting and screaming about the fraud and you know illegal activities and errors in vote counting you had him tweeting about 128000 boots magically appearing for biden 1st of all its worth exactly balance that was likely a recruiting error to twitter immediately sense that the comment but its everywhere now and this is this has been trumps tactic you know if you create new is then in the future youll be able to point out that this was you know trouble point and here we have a situation in which theres all sorts of crises in every state as you know something that either side is unhappy with and now theyre claiming that theyre going to go to the Supreme Court we want. To be used in a proper manner so well be going to the u. S. Supreme court we want to. Voting just. We dont want them to find any ballots at 4 oclock in the morning and that the list. So youre prepared for any effort republicans make in any court in any of these states to advance the absurd theory that the president was last night where there was such a mixed reaction to trump speech up 2 am that when he came out all smiles by saying this is far from over and its not the blue wave as many were predicting as youre quite right inside but i mean still a lot of people thought you know what preelection this is just a lot of people saying all that were going to fight about but they didnt maybe expect it to actually get to this point always surprised that i actually got to a point of 2 president ial candidates saying were going to go to court well 2020 and that of course there was no put it this is the worst Case Scenario if one of them had more than a polls indicated you know i would have been far that would be the sort to be a new president the other would be forced to concede the clues are these the more worse Case Scenario it is because theres no room to contest the election i mean there were 50 o. E. C. D. Observers for the entirety of the United States though there was no you know theres no outside d observers who you could then ask. People who have you new boss neutral you you could ask is this from. Watching what is going to cut into the program because joe biden i believe is making a statement now he did reading spoken around an idea out of this morning around and i think its come on so thats called save attempts far more interesting thank you for us for being here and thank you everyone else my fellow americans yesterday was again proved that democracy is the heartbeat of this nation yes it has been has been hard to this nation for 2 centuries and even in the face of pandemic more americans voted this election ever before in American History over 150000000 people cast their vote i think thats just extraordinary. And if we had new doubts. We shouldnt have any longer but a government of by and for the people is very much alive very much alive in america here the people rule power cant be taken or certain. It flows from the people and is their will that term and who will be the president of the United States and there will only. And now after a long night of county its clear that where when you enough states to reach 270 electoral votes needed to win the presidency. Im not here to clear that weve won. But i am here to report when the count is finished we believe we will be the winners of all those counted. We have won wisconsin by 20000 virt votes virtually the same margin of President Trump won that state 4 years ago in michigan we lead by over 35000 votes and its growing a substantially bigger margin and President Trump won michigan in 2016 michigan will complete his votes soon maybe as early as the day and i feel very good about pennsylvania virtually all the remaining ballots to be counted are cast by mail and weve been winning 78 percent of the votes by mail in pennsylvania we flipped arizona and the 2nd district of nebraska of special significance to me is that weve won with the majority of the American People and every indication is that that majority will grow out of the popular vote lead of nearly 3000000. 00 votes. And every indication is that will grow as well oh indeed senator harris and i are on track to win more votes than any ticket in the history of this country that ever won the presidency and vice presidency over 70000000 votes im very proud of our campaign only 3 president ial campaigns in the past have defeated an incumbent president. When its finished god willing well be the 4th ases a major achievement this is a major achievement and its been a long and difficult campaign. But its been a more difficult time for our country a hard time weve had a hard campaigns before weve faced hard times before so once this election is finalized and behind us it will be time for us to do what weve always done as americans to put the harsh rhetoric of the campaign behind us to lower the temperature to see each other again to listen to one another tweet to hear each other again and respecting care for one another to unite to heal to come together as a nation i know this wont be easy im not naive neither of us are i know how deep and hard the opposing views are in our country on so many things but i also know this is well to make progress we have to stop treating our opponents as enemies we are not enemies what brings us together as americans is so much stronger than anything they can terrace apart so let me be clear i we are campaigning as a democrat but i will govern as an american president or. The president the presidency itself is not a partisan institution its the one office in this nation that represents everyone. And it demands a duty of care for all americans those precisely what i will do our i will work as hard for those who didnt vote for me as i will for those who did vote for me now every vote must be counted. No ones going to take our democracy away from us not now not ever america has come too far americas far too many battles americas endured too much to ever let that happen we the people will not be silenced we the people will not be bullied we the people will not surrender my friends im confident well emerge victorious but this will not be my victory alone or our victory alone and be a victory for the American People for our democracy for america there will be no blue states and red states when we win just the United States of america. God bless you all. Thank you well we just heard from him he was speaking from his home state of delaware and really what he was talking about was how proud he was of his campaign he said the democracy has triumphed its the hope of this nation he said that he was so impressed by the record turnout this is something that we knew was coming we saw all those in possibility voting the mail in ballots as well coming poor in and he done talked about how of course the democrats are currently leading in terms of the popular vote by around 3000000. 00 he says that its not over because of course vote counting is a 2 way still we know that there are still a couple of states where they are still counting those ballots which are michigan and georgia pennsylvania and they are seen as key as to how this election will pan out but he says im confident that we will victorious and he said we won wisconsin by a margin of around 21000 which by some true faith is the margin by which donald trump beat Hillary Clinton back in 2016. If indeed he is proved right he reiterated that he was the donald trump who would be the 4th incumbent president to be beaten on the last time was actually george bush sr in the ninetys he talked only about how we need to put away division and polarization and harsh rhetoric to lower the temperature we need to come together as americans but ready to fight in a speaking from reiterating that he thinks they are on the path to victory they will get to those 270 votes well were going to cross live now to human rights through ed done. Done before so if i just want to i dont know if you had what biden was saying but i want us through what are your thoughts on what he just. Id like what he said at least to the extent that he talked about trying to unite america and that this is one country one nation and you know we need to keep that in mind. I think we have gone through a lot particularly this year in terms of divisions between people and i think. That we do need some healing and some reconciliation and i do think for all of its shortcomings and as many that biden is probably better poised to do that than donald trump so i did like that part of his speech we again read through we dont have any final results but prompted by dint of already said that they are reading to go point the Supreme Court if that is what will happen do you think the reflects who could end up pairing gold rule. I think they could but i dont think it will for very long i mean i think my critics in is that biden will be the winner that he may not even need pennsylvania to do it i think that there will be little grounds for trump to have to go to the Supreme Court the one thing i have to note is that while you know trump is you know claiming theres fraud and ballot dumping the real problem in this election is been the opposite and that is voters being disenfranchised apparently theres millions of mail in ballots that were not brought from the post offices around the country you know to the proper elector sites and i think thats the bigger issue of course that happened under trumps postmaster general use already been criticized for trying to tip the scales towards trump so that is probably the bigger scandal in this election. Campaign i mean we havent heard anything in recent hours but we know that its filed in north to hold that accounting and both michigan and pennsylvania michigan at the moment. Its Light Trading by 10 what do you read into that move as he on the back foot or is he trying to kind of get out of the potential failure or do you think theyll get what they want. He is trying to get ahead of potential failure because he knows the votes that are to be counted seem to be coming from the urban areas that will more naturally go for bided it should be noted by the way it will be interesting to see what happens but the Trump Campaign is already going to the Supreme Court on this issue they have appealed to the Supreme Court already in advance to prevent states from continuing to vote after election day yesterday and the Supreme Court rejected that appeal it did not take that appeal so be very interesting to see if trump goes a 2nd time now after the election to get a different result do you think regarding the how way would potentially go if it went to the Supreme Court do you think that i mean i want to seems that because theres a 63 balance in trumps favor in terms of the public and democrats at the moment that it would automatically go to trump but there are a couple of justice is that who are very critical of tom do you think that he has the upper hand going into this. Know i dont look you know im not naive enough to think that the judges dont vote oftentimes along their political leanings but i also think that the justices understand how damaging it would be to side with trump in a way that would be clearly against the law and clearly against the will of the people you know 9 justices should not be able to determine the fate of this election and i think to understand. Why that was done come out of giving us his thoughts human and rights lawyer or thought of the product to attack iran always good to have you on the program many thanks thank you thank you so much. Well as i have already been pro and anti trumpet demonstrations outside the white house ahead of the final Election Results dont courts now looks out the divisions which have been growing for quite a long time in American Society. It was all high hopes and big promises back in 2016 when donald trump took his place in the white house the nation was already divided by race gender class you name it and the country needed a hero now its time for america to bind a division have to get together. Go republicans and democrats and independents across this nation i say it is time for us to come together as one United People turned out trump never came to be that knight in shining armor. 20 twentieths president ial election seasons looked more like an all out war on the streets more than anything mishandling of the Pandemic Response and the economic crisis but most significant was the brutal killing of george floyd that sparked outrage across the nation and even calls to defund the police altogether. And instead of trying to unite people americas dividing lines became part of both parties political strategies on the one hand bite and then the democrats sold themselves as allies of the socalled peaceful protests whats lets be honest were not so peaceful problem in this. Peacefully protest. Not a bad way to dip your toes into the more radical left and black voter pools but on the other hand. F. Trump who decided to play the tough guy calling anti racism protesters vandals and anarchists trump sent federal troops to put down uprisings in cities a move that one support from a number of Police Unions and people who didnt want to see their white picket fence neighborhoods ruined now the law and order doctrine also embolden some of trumps more radical supporters so that seeing armed right wing militias and anti for freely Walking Around the streets of American Cities became a new reality and one of both candidates done to fix all this point the finger it is what it is is there a z. Whats going on and he doesnt want to see a lone order because you cant because you lose his radical live supporters proud about who is stand back and stand by but ill tell you one of tell you what somebody has got to do something about the left because this is not a right as we know is a direct this is. Not what its about this is the rather the left would you she wasnt theres a on both sides of the political spectrum weve got armed groups white nationalists proud boys right wing militias and tea for the whole bunch so what exactly will happen when the election is over well everyone just sit down and decide to accept the results. The elections in 2002016 demonstrate that the number of states accounted whens motus more than the popular vote and both cases the new the one most support for rule thoughtful down to the Electoral College system which the country uses and its taken up. Why discuss the general pros and cons of the current editorial system as well as the influence of thought parties on us politics with how we hold kids from the Us Green Party and was benedict from the libertarian party. The one percent that libertarians get. Does play a significant role i dont know if libertarians or other 3rd parties are or will ever consistently get high enough to win a National Election but he may be now when in elections but impacting policy debates and reaching out to voters is what we do how its want to pick up on something that was just said to he said you know were talking about a single percent support for thought parts of town today thats right its kind of spread quite even 4849 for the republicans and democrats so its almost sad to say that the republicans or democrats at this point represent the will of the majority of americans do you think about as you know you disagree with that absolutely i mean look at Public Opinion polls majority of americans want a Green New Deal which is what the green party for to do with the Climate Crisis to get the economy going again majority of americans want medicare for all and both democrats and republicans oppose those policies the problem is that our electoral system. We have a plurality winner Single Member districts when you take all system. Which encourages people to vote for the lesser evil the most people are voting against the other major party rather than for their own party so i think if we can change the electoral system in place the Electoral College with a National Popular vote used the right Choice Voting for president ial elections. I think the greens will move way up and in the boat if i had to choose we want to win one of the major parties i would flip a coin because i equally dislike both of them. The difference between the republicans and democrats is mostly about personality and style when it comes to the substance of the issues theyre both for the deficit spending theyre both for spending and taxing too much theyre both for continuing the wars and those are things that libertarians oppose and even greens oppose some of that stuff as well so i actually like it when the republicans and democrats get mad at libertarians because it causes them to focus on us and it gives us an opportunity to say hey heres why you guys are wrong and heres why we wont vote for you this is what we stand for what we need real Political Parties that actually have members i mean what we have now are 2 major parties you tell the state which party youre in in order to vote in your primers theres no local organization no local chapter of the party no you dont agree to a set of principles and they do sort of party to join you just tell the state which party youre in so the electorate is adam ours and disconnected from the political process well before we go lets take a quick look at the latest situation different reports all coming in from the states that still accounts now both those all of the green ones all they will go crazy its now the latest as wisconsin that the great great ones have turned up now the latest is that wisconsin right all back has blue its gone by 10 and it had been one of those great states you can see on the map the key states that might swing either way they still could so fall biden has the edge over trump nason and wisconsin will add 10 to would thought one important finish line of 270 as only a small number of states up for grabs but still that votes will play a decisive role in who becomes president. 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