Argument designs and i have all the lockdowns are killing people make here and joins you next hour with the latest from around the world right now though it is time for cross talk right here on our to international and in the u. K. And ireland get ready for really getting. Hello and welcome across the uk where all things are considered purely about American Media greed nearly in lockstep avoiding to practice journalism again ideology trumps common sense reality and after the election how many voters will say not my president. To discuss these topics and more im joined by my guest george samueli in budapest he is an author and a you tuber abt the gaggle and here in moscow were joined by Dmitri Bobbitt shes a political analyst and editor at interest me internet media project hi gentlemen crossed out rules in effect that means you can jump anytime you want and i always appreciated hey lets go to george in budapest 1st well george this is the last time well be doing this format before the election here and i think for me can since this programming cross talk in general focuses a lot on the media it you know irrespective of the outcome on tuesday then the media really acquitted themselves in a deplorable way this election cycle because we have at the very very end and im not saying you know we like this october surprise of the hunter by laptop i mean lets just put that aside here it is a news story and the media for the last for the most part there are some exceptions but for the most part refused to recognize this is a fact that it is important for people to make decisions about their political future they talk a lot about outside meddling its the media is meddling in this election george yes youre absolutely right. That in pot they have been intimidated by the Clinton Campaign and by the democrats since 26 t. V. So theyve been accused of having publicized the disclosures the wiki leaks and thus helping. Trump win and at worst helping the kremlin so just to be you know bad to the media i think they theyve been scared of touching this because again they think of trump wins then they will be blamed for this victory but that doesnt excuse their refusal to invest in something that is. Clearly news because here we have the man who presumably or pieces going into the polls will be the next president of the United States was using his name to enrich his family and. His family was in business with some very dicey people helping the Chinese Government which after all but its going to be one of the big issues of the coming decades america. Rivalry competition whatever with china and here is this man was going to be the president who is really seems to be batting for the other team hes helping the Chinese Government to infiltrate itself within American Life through bidens family that is a very very big deal and for the media just to ignore it is simply a serious dereliction of duty you know game in a century when they have done is theyve suspended their professionalism what little they handed it and they suspended commonsense and any sense of ethical behavior in it shows their partisanship i mean theyve shown their colors to everyone here they dont want to look into a real story because the russia gate hoax was a hoax ok this has forensic evidence ok so theyre suspending any kind of ethical. Sense whatsoever in a george were not theyre afraid i dont care if theyre afraid that this is not about being afraid its about whats truth what is real go ahead jim well its very interesting that george sad that the media. Is afraid of being bullied for trumps victory you know that reminds me or pathetic terry in societyis you know where if something functions then the media is blamed for long enough attention or for you know some. How could nugent with the enemy and we have credit thought during their these 2 elections 20162021 of the. I would see more. Absurd allegations have just recently read in the Foreign Affairs there is an article headlined americans are primed to accept their adversaries narrative or does what the author is more rosenberger and heres how the story begins are Russias Internet Research Agency at kremlin link Company Executives in who and peroration organized religious both in support of president didnt drown and in protest against him by an event a manhattan demonstration called trump is not my president drew as many as 10000 people to the street so this is just amazing i mean the masses accuse jewels or you know. Creating more than financial economy and then also organizing in the Great Depression in 130 in the same way you know this. Publication Foreign Affairs if you loose russia both help in trying to win and then organizing and really against you know this is just amazing what theyre suggesting and the same story here i mean bidens connections to china to you know the we door world moskos manner i mean these are 1 facts you know when they write for example that these allegations or unclear provenance this is against again the Foreign Affairs a recent new york war story evolved by them son hunter information on clear provenance well the provenance is very clear what you believe instead you know we have seen this man in france and block you know i answering questions saw Tucker Carlson very interesting in. I mean ok you may think what they will want a bomb upon you but you doesnt seem like a very see when you character to me but at least you dont pay some attention but the reaction from the Mainstream Media was who cares about asylum a biden he is iowa sagal and by then thats why he can be excused for everything you know but we have heard that this was not the american way i mean that americans have been teaching us here in russia in congress in poland they have been teaching us for 30 years this is not the american way and now we see that this is the american way and i guess ive seen from a question again its a suspension ok suspension of any kind of ethical behavior of common sense of logic george you know since demon brought it up ok this Foreign Affairs article i mean another another publication that i used to admire is just. Reduced to click bait ok its your mongering its really shameful but george you want i and this program tucked in the summer of 2014 under by working for but he said no i mean we talked about articles that were published by politico i mean if the story has been around for a long time and the the American Media makes it sound like its a complete myth but i think the same media reported upon it ok and actually threw up some red flags of which the Vice President s im doing here and now in the last couple of weeks ever since this story broke or that the next level of the story broke they said they make it sound like it is come out of nowhere and its russian implement this information but in 2000 summer of 2014 they didnt make that claim did they go ahead george yes yes no thats exactly right it was reported now admitted. It was it was reported in the way in which russia gate has been reported this is what often happens in the media that they report something they you know theres one story. Hows it that theres no follow up and we get about that but then they can say well we didnt report it look theres a story from 2014 in which we actually reported this but yeah but where is the the energy and neal that you bought into something down. The drum and the geisha og but the grisly case is a very serious problem because here we have definitely points there was joe biden because biden was clearly in his being in agreement all the investigation all the companies that need was a direct. Tie and that he was the point man on the board of directors on what the board of directors yes the board of directors yes. He did this and then why he was the point man on your brain and you know you got rid of the prosecutor he brought in somebody who were clearly not qualified to be a prosecutor and within months the case against brezhnev was closed down so yes there is something very much to investigate because this is the right with wants to buy them but instead the media has repeated a talking point oh everybody wanted this prosecutor find it wasnt just biden oh the case against the bridge was gone and people who hated being investigated but just repeating talking points instead of doing any Serious Investigation because there is plenty of evidence showing that. That lady was being investigated at the time that biden says that on the sled and that the case was brought to an end to a. Definite motive behind by and intervention long behold a few months later the case against bridge was close but george they you know they didnt want to put any effort into that story but they put all their effort into a nonstory enjoy a hoax that they all created them so. Ok i mean the irony here of things that are no were bought again as opposed to things that are completely invented by Anonymous Sources you know. The malpractise committed by the media surrounding the by family its not going to go away i mean they think that everyones going to get know and theres enough information out there as ive said to george on that apple is that you know you can call these people you know in these even give me a call and say is this true or not ok and oh we have evidence that a Wire Transfer i mean you do you admit this wire tran i mean its completely different the the the russia gate hoax because there was no evidence in this case theres a a trail of it apparently all around the world. Oh yes and i would cite several concrete examples i mean there was a team will report to us from the mainstream American Media who came to prague because there were some engaged and so there was a move today in prague over russian intelligence official with some people from trying to complain and it transpired that these media never to Police Actually knew the russian intelligence official was there nor trumps people i mean if they did he didnt use it bravo if they visited he didnt need a new one from russia there then the same story about mana for allegedly meat in our songs will have been a meeting with our songs in london at these Ecuadorian Embassy which never happened but there have been those and so articles about that right and here we have a situation there was a meeting and there was a minute transfer and serious tony but with inflation blob under your questions why waste it on 3 of the questions on talk of course and be of course your if you felt there is a complaint against here as being a russian agent so what you said you decided to come clean you go. Give your answers you know if Tucker Carlson interviewed him you can also interview right no one is interviewing him because its not in their narrative i mean the problem with that if theyre in the press is that it is all the interested in narratives that feed its a gender i mean with ukraine again ok maybe a lot of people didnt like the prosecutor to get to shore can call home well by them going treadle but there were aerial bomb being all of these socalled separatists c. D. s idema got a job in schools going to want to feel heard breaking into the heartbreak to continue on in our discussion and some real estate market. World. Today are saying. We dare to ask. Welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were talking about the upcoming election. Ok lets go back to georgian in budapest and this program in december of 2016 after the election of donald trump i asked my viewers if the force regime change catalog playbook that the u. S. Has played around the world with a vengeance since the breakup of yugoslavia if that playbook has been brought to the United States and i think in fact equally yes its been brought to the United States and what were getting here is a projects. By those that want to make sure the trump is not reelected is that they themselves are. Meddling in this election they are the ones that are creating confusion theyre the ones that. Rely upon conspiratorial ideas and what it does is it is its destroying. Competence in institutions and in the idea of democracy itself go ahead george yes indeed and what were seeing now is the classic not a regime change operation that weve seen in other countries we have the polls putting out ridiculous numbers with double digit leads by them which suggests a massive landslide and then we have the newspaper story is already you know dissipating who will be in the Biden Cabinet and the drumbeat is that the election is in the bag trump has been defeated and that should that result not materialize should on if it happens on tuesday night the trump is won or that its inconclusive and that theres going to be fights in the courts then there will be a drumbeat a consensus that trump stole this election over trump is in the process of stealing the election but hes the dems the challenge. Votes in the courts is really an attempt to steal the election and then you have to wonder whether what happened in other countries will in happen in the United States there will be a riot. In the streets the the democrats may as well refuse to do anything about them and then you have to wonder about the deep state what would happen if lets say the military refused trump order to send in the National Guard to bring in to put an end to the riots could happen really you know we it doesnt enjoy huge amount of loyalty within the pentagon they say no we dont really consider you the legitimate president we dont send in the National Guard what happens if it was an. Barely and within the department of justice and said no were not going to go file claims in the courts challenging these counts and then there will be the drumbeat and you can you even wonder whether math wrong and michael will step in and say i think President Trump should do the right thing and step down. Here and i think is going to happen but its quite quite possible that that is an area in the coming days but this scenario has been played out when you look at what happened in what was called yugoslavia with milosevic look what happened in ukraine with the you know kobe because the trigger as you mentioned the trigger is. We have to question the litany of the election thats their thats their playbook ok once you can get good people that we need to question the outcome of the election thats when they go in for blast ok because youve already destroyed any sense of legitimacy its you know how do we remedy if thats what they always do ok and its almost always or by definition beyond any kind of constitutional decision you have to sleep ok diem or are we going down the right out there because i am absolutely convinced the kind of manipulation that the u. S. Employs trends changing regimes abroad the same thing as being done now against the American People oh absolutely and its i think its a case of some kind of you wind on your mind just just because the whole country has for many years have been living in fear every time that action was coming and that was the case in yugoslavia that was the case in ukraine recently that was the case in belarus knowing americans are basically are basically cried you know asked to create their own medicine and it started not with trump and started with obama into thought. In 16 because i think a bomber well thats my opinion he was the warmest president in u. S. History because he destroyed several very important rules rules that i would call institutions in a lot of ways it was under obama that special services for the 1st time got involved full scale in the in the Media Campaign you know they were mentioned in the media all the time you know in 2016 you know korea was accused of releasing information on clintons case to cause to be elections so he was 1st given eyes by the democrats and then he was lionized by the democrats when he went to get strong so special services was involved in the political process big way under obama for the 1st time i dont remember any president s before that a bomber not only indorsed you are just going to hear openly campaign against the opposition candidate in 2016 remember how obama publicly promised g 7 members that trump would not be the next american president i mean who the hell was mr obama to promise it to foreign interests to be decided by the voters get used to it this guy is going to be a condor another 30 years in the National Park so when i read in the Foreign Affairs and article that i mentioned as a result u. S. Society may be all the more susceptible to foreign attempts to saw dobbed about the integrity of the democratic process well i mean the democratic press basically the Mainstream Press sympathizing with the democrats lets be clear about that theres a Mainstream Press sympathizing with the democrats has been so in doubt during all of these years they accused trial of not accepting defeat if he is defeated they accuse strom or preparing not to leave the white house if he is defeated you know you remember all these stories you remember how well trump made an irresponsible statement about. Hes leaving office but then the democrats you know pedal did so many times so yeah youre right its the same playbook you know my b. S. That people should not fear elections bob under this new idea what would we have a situation with every direction is a risk so ok election should be completed she will not be inspiring fewer people and they are inferior now you know i mean it should be a risk it shouldnt engender fear but you know that that. Assumes george that the authorities the people who run the country the professional manager real class they know who the right winner should be the these people fear the voter of the voter might do the wrong thing again thats what theyre terrified of and if you look through cities all across the country i dont think its republicans and conservatives there. Are going to turn to violence its these people that have boarded up their how our homes and businesses theyre worried about if trump wins not if he loses go ahead just him that thats the irony of it exactly because if they really thought that. Trump would be beaten they wouldnt be fearing violence because then the people would be out celebrating and. Drinking or whatever so theres no question but what serious about this and whats you know the parallel between yugoslavia ukraine georgia and all the other places of the Color Revolution is that trump really cannot rely upon his own government is own government could well collude with the rioters in order to bring down trump the f. B. I. Of the f. B. I. Is openly. Defying it with Christopher Ray the cia the pentagon i mean you know magic you had the defense secretary you had the chairman of the joint chiefs criticizing trump when he made his walk across some. Park these people then are going to do what trump does them where it should there be riots and whatever into any from say if i want order brought back into the city its better that just say you dont know the digit would present it anymore. You know we consider biting to be the legitimate president and again we can see what might well happen where biden will then have the aura of them to get them to see and you know you can see the defense secretary toddling off to me by then your dad the chairman of the joint chiefs going off to meet biden. That would create the aura the trump lacks legitimacy beaten he has to go the interesting thing is george is that. Constitutional scholars and in really good historians of america the year 1800 is a very important year the president ial election because that was the 1st time 2 opposing. Politicians with radically different ideas about the country they explain handed to put on to the next ok they get they relinquish the presidency to their ideological and they sat down as gentlemen and that was 1900 was the time that we said the republic can take compose competing ideas so that precedent that was set in 1900 is that is intentionally as we speak to be become null and void and its because of the lack of trust in democracy not because of. Outside meddling its because they dont trust the people deem and go ahead were up rapidly running out of time well i would say that here is their prescription for the more than time she will war here is how it was in ukraine for example youll have a group of people you know reading a completely new order of pinks to a country you know all the. They claim that they wont be election day or they just take power violently in the capital and then the province which stays with its traditional well us resists and youll have Something Like what happened in donbass we have a civil war unfortunately the same is going on in the United States right now the east coast and the west cost or business supporting and you kind of america you know which people in the we need west people in the salt do not accept you know the people in the meat west feel like they were america has been taken away from them this is why i compress so many desperate support us so this is the prescription for the civil war the played out in ukraine it played out in a lot of other countries in yugoslavia other countries and now unfortunately that same dreadful way bork is brought to the United States i mean going to do their duty while they still have your child while you can here 20 seconds left or to let you know here is your scenario is interesting but trump will still be around so you know there are still going to be that tension and if Trump Supporters believe it was stolen from them they arent going to defend who they think is the rightfully elected president of the United States gentlemen thats all the time we have reconvene next next sunday and well talk about this here i want to thank my guests in budapest and here in moscow i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are you see x. 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