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Thank you after the break with 54000000 americans reportedly set to go hungry join the coronavirus pandemic does the middle class the trump and biden the trying to appeal to actually need to sink to create a better world all of them all coming up in part 2 of going on the ground. Was a pandemic no certainly no borders and a slide into nationalities. Has emerged riddled with certainty we dont look like seeing the whole world beats to. Judgment coming very close to sleep listening to. We can do better we should be. Everyone is contributing to each her own way but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever the challenges created with the response has been much so many good people are helping us. It makes us feel very proud that were in it together. When i was still small seems wrong but old old just dont call. Me old but yet to shape out this day come to educate and gain from it because the trail. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. Welcome back 54000000 people in the United States may go hungry because of the trump governments response to the coronavirus pandemic according to the countrys largest Hunger Relief Organization feeding america that 17000000 more since the start of the corona Virus Outbreak that cant afford to eat now the socalled riches president in history donald trump and democrat big business ally joe biden who constantly appealed to the middle class for votes have just one week to win over those that have arguably been left behind joining me now from lawrence in kansas is professor david rohde author of the sinking middle class the political history david welcome to you going underground people watching all around the world know about how rich the United States is they see the glamorous images of middle class america arguably who are the middle class in the title of your book the sinking middle class. Well depending on whom youre talking to its either are of 40 percent or 96 percent of the u. S. Population politicians in particular want to claim that higher figure and regard this is a group that they can talk to in an undifferentiated mass and if they can win this 96 percent obviously they win the election i think the middle class is bound to be an amorphous term because it doesnt like the working class to find a really material position in the world its its a subjective position in the world that traditionally has been around categories of entrepreneurship white collar labor sales labor middle management those give us the bulk of the of the u. S. Middle class at least in the 20th and 21st centuries but you can see in just naming those categories that they dont really fit together in any particular way or have a common set of interests to see right millss book white collar the best us book on the middle class it when you get to subtitle it says the middle classes and right at the end of the book he says well theres really no such thing as you know i was ok well the term the term working class the idea that we have to work to be able to pay the rent that you explore also in the book but if we can just blame biden and trump for exploiting this ridiculously inclusive term you say that the majority of americans self identify as middle class and you also say that to an extent theres an element there of not being black. Yes a. Little bit depends how the question is asked on that self identification one if working class is given as a choice it splits more evenly right down the middle but that still leaves you 25 percent of the population of working class jobs and consider themselves middle class and race has a great deal to do with that in the United States when we say middle class we dont have to say white middle class but thats what the politicians mean and to some extent thats what the citizens mean when they say middle class because if its a fake term that is used by powell which i think this book does suggest one i dont know it may horrify some people element in the book is where you say theres an element of it the term middle class being a cold war construct yes saved it was no accident i think there when Richard Nixon wanted to debate the soviets about the superiority of the u. S. System he contrived to have that debate take place in a model u. S. Kitchen and everybody understood that that signified a middle class home and signify the stay at home at that time a stay at home housewife all achievements of nixon would have said Free Enterprise of the. Capitalist system in the United States in the debates start to aggrandize that system as against the as against socialism and i think there was a tremendous buy in its really in the cold war that you get massive use of the term middle class in us media in us academia note i have to be clear were all a bit confused about it those in power like bailed out banks like citicorp or citi group you say in the book in 2011 theyve established theres no middle class theres just writ the rich and the rest of us those in power do realize something that the masses dont let alone journalist. Yes i think thats right and his it it a little bit to use the old marxist term false consciousness to describe what were saddled with in the majority of the population i think that there are for historical reasons there are these miseries associated with middle class life and so people who identify as middle class are not only identifying with the common set of accomplishments and privileges but also where the common sense of intense anxiety theyre going to sank and that and these are that theyre miserable even before they sink and this has to do with debt and the way that white collar labor is managed in particular the personalities of white collar workers managed not just in the United States but i think to extend the world one of the things its surprised me about the reception of this book and your show as an example is how much this is been this resonates in india for example and it resonates in the u. K. Including in the u. K. The fear that middle class identity and right wing. Politics coincide well dont trump often in his Campaign Speeches now uses a phrase the c word and of course many son does use vs what socialism nomi how there are echoes there are actual echoes of this problem with the term middle class and the term socialism and communism yeah you mention mocks you mention mocks and why it is its called a communist manifesto. Yeah yeah and in the way back. Communism was used to describe a working class Classless Society the campaign for the working Class Campaign and socialism was considered at that time a middle Class Movement so if you think about for example utopian socialists communal experience experiments marx and engels would have said those were both socialist and middle class and so they needed the word communist in order to differentiate themselves from that by the end of engels his life hes kind of triumphant in saying weve taken the word socialism back and hes no longer so concerned to differentiate between a communist manifesto and a socialist manifest ok i dont know what Bernie Sanders will make make it valid but you do say in the book that there is a precedence in moxa who saw that the lower middle class small trades people shopkeepers they just sink into the proletariat anyway. Yes and the title comes from orwell who George Orwell also kind of played with that idea of sinking in that the sinking might not be such a bad thing. Marx is often accused of not getting the middle class in marxism is a tradition is accused of missing the point the middle class was going to be so resilient and. Powerful into the 20th and 21st centuries i dont think you got that wrong at all the middle classes that he was talking about that is free farmers and shot as specially shopkeepers in cities did suffer a lot under industrial capitalism and did become a much much smaller share of the population particularly in the us where marx maybe. Got it wrong was he predicted that thered be such a powerful magnetic working Class Movement that would go from one success to another that middle class people as they fell would naturally be attracted to that movement and therefore become socialists well i do have to say that given that where again and again hearing this middle class term from joe bidens camp and from dull terms term. His campaign you talk a little bit about how the cultural ideas of the middle class now embedded in the imagination of the militias death of a salesman i think biden and trump recognize that when theyre shouting out how theyre going to help. People middle class people know i think one of the things that weve lost is this not only from the left and much of the best scholarship on the middle class does come from the left from germany to the United States and in britain as as well. Weve also lost it in kind of mainstream cultural criticism even into the early cold war mainstream sociologists who wrote a survey books about the United States and of identified new. Class and middle brow and thought this was a. Social formation it was oh the empty and. Without culture and also miserable and weve lost that i mean at least at the political level. Middle class is simply something to be defended its a perch its not apparel and when you talk about misery is that related to this a bipolar kind of world you describe had an ism and asceticism the something at the core of being middle class that makes the miserable. Yeah i think this is dumb depends on that mass middle class identification with both. Overspending and over working and being willing to be managed in a very close ways to take drug tests to have a 5th of your performance evaluation be on how happy you seem every work all of those things kind of seep into that into the culture and get taken for granted after a time i mean over here labor did have a about the socialist leadership Jeremy Corbett hes being replaced by cicada stahmann who says patriotism flags we need the White Working Class you say in this book theres a misunderstanding of this term White Working Class in fact its not a good time at all. Yes in the United States the aggrandizement of the middle class in politics which really began with bill clintons campaign. Kind of deliberately confused the terms White Working Class and middle class so when you were wanting to talk. Maybe to a trade Union Audience in the United States you talk about the White Working Class and if you were on t. V. For everybody you would you would talk about the middle class and in the last years the last 4 years since trumps election this term White Working Class. Has really really strongly resurfaced in certain quarters and by then it was a leader of that research. Surfacing of the term White Working Class i think its both usages middle class and White Working Class and saying that theyre going to Pay Attention to these groups and not really develop any kind of a program that would address the plight of working people once you say White Working Class and im going to Pay Attention to the White Working Class you always as a politician have the option to simply Pay Attention to them as y. And to promise them to hold back on Racial Justice issues to be tougher on crime to lower taxes to kind of indulge in all these code words and dog whistles that have been so much a part of u. S. Politics for 40 years now yes africanamericans off as likely to self identify as middle class whoever wins whether its biden or trump though do you think that we should allow the maybe the middle class themselves to say basically. I would love to see the term sink. It pains me a lot that our trade unions even fight campaigns now in the name of defending the middle class instead of defending working people and thats bad on class grounds but it also is bad on the grounds of Racial Justice because everybody assumes that its this. Prototypical white suburb thats being appealed to when we say the middle class and is being appealed to in its worst possible instinct toward differentiating it so from black people professor david wright a thank you and thats it for the show will be back on saturday he is or the day since the u. K. 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