A woman what universe are we living in were facebook and twitter to determine what newsweek can consume and where we can consume it here i dont know i mean im not a shareholder in these companies i i dont know if anybody elected them were they elected to anything except maybe boards from the shareholders i mean this is an unconscionable situation an unprecedented one why should these private individuals be able to determine the the media landscape and and were basically as citizens we we were told were given the right to determine our political destiny but were not were being interrupted were being punished go ahead jim yeah i mean these are these media giants these tech giants are social media they are controlling the narrative and one thing that we really need to Pay Attention to is that yes they are private and yes they have the right to do it i suppose because they are private companies and people always point that out but they are being pressured by congress we have to remember that since 2016 and since russia gate and the democrats just blaming everything on russia russia russia that they went after the social Media Companies and saying you are to blame for russia and so they went after them they pressured them and a lot of this censorship thats going on with the big Media Companies social Media Companies is actually directly coming from congress and that is something that i think people shouldnt overlook that where does that fall when it comes to infringing on our freedoms and frank you know infringing on that 1st amendment with that government pressure it seems to me that that is an absolute and friend. You know because roger the way things are going the people you know the powers that be you know the the professional manager real class that looks down on everyone here theyre on their own hes complaining about conspiracy theories but the way they manipulate the media what do you get is result you get people thinking conspiratorial like why is this happening why. Cant we im just no ok think the whole with the whole scandal or a leg scandal im always careful with my language surrounding the biden family you know i mean there i have been presented it meant something by some news outlets facts what they determine to be facts ok and fine let them go where they were when russia game was just allegations and and leaks and Anonymous Sources that were never proven ever but when you have a case you know theres a hard drive there are witnesses there or there are wire orders for money that these are real things that you know that we have a right to consider ok and particularly if they being the accusation of political malfeasance is in play go ahead roger well you know twitter gets away with it suppressing a lot of us because theres something called section 2 services no legislation which is now under review actively in the National Home are no 2 senator and friend Marsha Blackburn whos in the forefront of your sort of revised web section 230 does he listen. Is it sort of gives the Twitter Facebook etc a firewall gets to be sued for shorts material or suppressing a serial which of course they do it causes it to its reach them is as if they were not publishers but of course they are publishers in fact in the country increasingly publishers so even if youre getting away with murder and in fact theres there are smarter publishers new little published it is to use this little relief from losers so. In that way it i think that people should support this revising of 230 because thats really going to hopefully help but i think its going to go much further than that. I mean you are the product coming these are private companies because when i think that all of us were under. We seem to understand censorship as the state censoring people hear it and i think thats kind of a more pure traditional definition you know but we dont live in that world anymore of day spoken twitter arse essentially utilities now they function is utilities right now and so i think the censorship the willows we have about censorship should be applied to them because they act like utilities and they dont act like monopolies they are virtual monopolies so these last shouldnt apply to them as well so we have to amend it to 30 isnt going to be enough ok were going to have to do more because if we dont do it pretty soon that we wont know what were losing we dont know what we dont know him yeah absolutely these social Media Companies are in fact utilities we are not you know if theyre publishers the way that theyre sort of behaving at this point then every single one of us thats using the platform is essentially what some kind of contract or of their Publishing Service where were where theyre editorializing us and are we being hired i mean if it becomes this kind of interesting where do they really fall and they havent been able to to really define their Business Model and for the user its obvious what the Business Model is were using it to connect in the same way we use telephones to connect the same way we use or any other sort of service to connect with other people and theyre saying well no but you might be able to to blast out your opinions and your fake news conspiracy theories to thousands of people well those thousands of people had to actively choose to follow you they had to actively choose to friend you or watch you or subscribe to your whatever it is d the platform so really the definition for these companies does need to be nailed down and then after it is completely defined what they are then they do need to be regulated in a way that is appropriate for their Business Model but in my opinion theyre absolutely utilities and they should not be getting in the way of my communication with you. You know kim brings up such an excellent point because all 3 of us we create content what about what about our rights ok as creators of content here because you know roger the same thing happened to me on process i mean you know you i notice that you know the number of hits for a program is gone down steadily but the number of comments remain the same its really quite remarkable i wonder i wish they could explain that to me and of course other programs and then just for our you tube page subscriptions and wobble up and down and theres no rhyme or reason to it and when we ask theres never an answer go ahead right there in syria they control the algorithms and internet reess you and i asked him are all too seriously at their prey whenever we writes a t. V. Writer are all out or is is under their control and we have no idea where the real. And they change them all the time us so were seeing worse and i think this death googles more dangerous even eventually replaced. So. I mean going back to a can was saying or trying to curry entirely the the fact that we have no fact that these companies are global. Usually influences nucky history has even remotely. I mean these are sort of did ish there you know i did in the country where you can even see them like you know rand or someplace they havent worked out or lead any. New never beyond is there to be a control with Global Information global this is really scary actually i mean it can but it makes it more scary is that theres no accountability i mean if you look at how we have a politician you can you know you know bring out your broom and you know just say you know sweep them away and the next Election Year theres no accountability i mean you know for example the way theyre treating the that the story surrounding hunter buy up i dont mean they dont give us any explanation why youre doing what youre doing when you went after the president of the United States for almost 4 years. Without any facts that were discernible and provable but in this case theres a lot of interesting things but there is one so its one sided its hypocritical but they still dont say you think they might i know that theyre being hauled in front of congress to explain themselves i will eagerly listen to what they have to say because there is no explanation reasonable honest explanation for what theyre doing. Yeah there really isnt i mean they it it and it is interesting its kind of what you said earlier where this theyre controlling the narrative leads us all into feeling even more conspiratorial i mean they say oh we got to stop the fake news of the conspiracy theories but then the rest of us sit back away and we see them doing as we see them controlling the narrative censoring information choosing what we can and cannot say i mean even groups of doctors researchers politicians journalists everybody gets censored on their platform it doesnt seem to be just here in your basement dwelling conspiracy theorist it seems to be anybody and everybody that they just dont agree with or a narrative that they dont like to hear and it is something that it is very scary that that its a formal. Mind control i mean it sounds conspiratorial right but its a its a form of mind control its a form of brainwashing the public into believing one narrative and one narrative only and they arent held accountable they got a way of heart breaking out of that heart breaking continuing our discussion of media enjoyable is an end to. An entire village in alaska. If another country trying to wipe out an american. We do everything in our power to protect. Wanted a escaping Climate Change is the same threat right now alaska seems some of the fuss just coastal erosion in the world we lost about 30 feet. 35 feet of growth in just about 3 months while we were measuring. Peanuts the river is. Closer. Than was 4 i dont think were part of america or earth from. Sputnik 5 has is no minute. The world. Just like its namesake the original sputnik. The 1st draft of a to leave. Orbit the world. 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Ok rogers go back to you in nashville i mean one of the things thats very curious for me and maybe you both of you have a different experience but you know because i do watch the media and i do try to watch a wide array of media even though i really its really cringe the most of the time for me i dont really have a very difficult time understanding what theyve been penned demick is all about and what you should do because its been so intensely politicized and its very very confusing and i wonder sometimes if thats just being done intentional just used the word mind control which of course i think would be much more controlling peoples behaviors ok and im not asking you to take a side on this debate about the pandemic but i think its very damaging for the public when you get such conflicting because everybody seems to own science and except for one scientists are censored ok i mean that really scares me ok i dont have any background in this kind of stuff i dont understand i look to authorities of legitimate authority is but then they say well hes a legitimate doctor hes not hes a doctor but hes not legitimate hes political and they start pointing fingers at each other i think that thats a really huge disservice that we have right now and and and facebook and other platforms they weigh in on it you know i get this all the time on facebook about coping in coverage and news and fake news and its as i find it really bewildering and it really damages the confidence the public has in the authorities. Well you know were a show here and everybody seems to be agree because i get to we agree with you. Notice shit is my fault or was a radiologist and they. Are the Manhattan Project so you know. What it is a she taught me. Well theres no sense here you settle science. And. It was right. And it was a way yet in a way your apply of course is all these people are telling you what saddle suit heads it is and every meeting facebook at musically is very top of all of that and. We have things like the Great Barrington statement that just came out from his doubters wrong why did that through example masks are of little detail of the etc and these are real serious people and skip noted you know conspiracies it is series people in their basements smoking crack never really in the real deal but it may be later although i dont know if you know me or we dont know we are not given the opportunity to think for ourselves. Potential thats exactly whats going on here they dont want people to think for themselves and they want to look not just to look to these people but the problem with that is that i have a fundamental ideological difference with most of their the way they see the world ok and i refused to submit i have my own views i will make up my own mind and i will go to the people that i think are authoritative thats our role i believe our right to do but. Im only so you know like when i put up a a video in the you know in the end do you monetise why is it the money times ok and then you know you have to write to them and a good number of times they say oh ok fine but sometimes they never do and they never give you an answer or go or you know its just like you know in my day rogers age you know its a xerox copy of something in that its big xerox so many times its built into the side and its all faded you know its like they dont care about you they dont care what youre thinking ok i mean the i dont think people understand how ideologically driven these people are him yeah i mean its really a shame and regarding this pandemic the governments role really should be to give us information and as much information as there is and then we should be left to do what we want to with that information they should tell us look there spikes going on in your area this is where the spikes are occurring or this is what were finding with mask or this is what were you thinking with this or that just giving us the information and that is the thats the tool that we the people would use to make up our own minds and that goes for our previous discussion about social media and the censorship we need information we need as much information as we can get from a variety of sources with a variety of opinions and then we the people get to make up our minds based on all of that information now they say well we might get also information but thats up to us and Snake Oil Salesmen have been. There is all this time when he determine what we think is truth and what we think is false its absolutely true that the consumer has the ultimate sovereignty here and they and they forget that you know roger you know when i look at what she was really trying to change the media environment because its really been quite dramatic and i dont i dont think you have to be a really keen follower of politics is that the media has knee jerk response to be against everything he says and does and sometimes he actually has some good ideas and you can see does some good things here but when you have this kind of blanket thing against him you end up being irrational and you end up being against good ideas and follow ups and things like that because i dont know how the media recovers from this because they have conditioned themselves to be so ideologically driven ideologically correct i mean its going to its hard for me to fathom how theyre going to react in a biting era if the times that becomes president ok i think it just you know like they did with barack obama never criticize them here well if that happens id like to remind all of these media people and detect why do you think donald trump got elected in 2016 ok if youre just going to fall on over the idea lot of the person that you are i have some kind of ideological affinity with thats how the media has abandoned the good up with the for the good of the people ok people made up their own mind in 2016 and that was the peoples biggest mistake and theyre going to be they had been punished for it and i think theyre going to be punished even more even if joe wins next week go ahead roger well i grew that theres a price i will name the right side it is a. Big looms and there are always media day and the wake of the public to be suspicious and maybe i mean it which is good. Thing because this truth about me as always is always believed by lucre or another and it is written by humans ad and yet this year maybe you have. But theres still im biased humans watching this program i didnt see that it must be somebody lot of us stock but anyway i think. Frankly. Thats a group that solely what is it you so the whole of media may be horrible the readers are the jurors who leave you are smarter than that that suits and were trying to think through that a bit yeah you know kim you know the russia game never seems to die if this is this amazing organism its like this intergalactic by risk that it can survive under any circumstances ok and it can be employed i mean if youre it but if youre angry with the weather it must be russians fault ok or you know if you if you miss a meal its because the russians made you do it ok i mean im whats being you know adam schiff you know i mean when he dines he needs to go to some medical institute where they examine his brain because of what happened to his brain how can everything go back to one thing ok its extraordinary how this this ridiculous hoax has a life of its own and it seems its going to be quite convenient in the future oh and by the way in the modest up to dealing with the biden family have to do with china so i guess the russians did that true amazing go ahead and well if it aint broke dont fix that thats a democratic strategy so they know that this works this gets people riled up this gets people to hate trump even more and to be more suspicious of ham and so relatives can go on and thats been the strategy all along and it really is unfortunate that. You know even with this latest rook at his taxes and where they were oh gosh he only paid 750. 00 what was interesting about that was where was russia remember they wanted to see his taxes so that they could figure out his connection to russia and they never found that instead it was a different scandal that they made up but they continue to harp on this russia narrative this russia conspiracy even without continually without gaining any evidence of it except they bought some ads on facebook ok kim. Not theyve been saying something very of few years now and you still free to use it as much as you want in russian game there are there is there are there isnt much russia and there are Many Russians in russia. But we have learned here ok you know roger and you know how was it you know it it seems one of the things that i ask you everything has been debunked ok but there is no reckoning no one in the media says yeah we got it wrong and i think theyre going to pay very very dearly for that ok because you know we so much airtime so much ink and so much has been wasted on this year and and it shows it unfortunately for me also my pessimism here it shows that a grand Conspiracy Theory can work to your advantage if you get enough people on board. Well you know i always like to think of a show make it a comedy when somebody says its not about the it is about that. And you know if this is for example so much money has to be made out of shape. That it had a show to play to the russians some people who look at china. But the. Destitute as it goes to the media to like c. N. N. If they didnt complain about russia even fewer people would watch it. 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Even more i mean its amazing i mean Rachel Maddow is made an entire career out of it so she shes the Media Version adam schiff is a political version and theres no downside to being wrong there you see the power we have as individuals and as citizens is the shame these people thats the power that we have and i constantly do it and i dont do it in a cruel way but i use their own words and their own suppositions against them ok and thats how you win these arguments with these people but were going full circle the last 30 seconds goes the kim if we dont know what we dont know that is the greatest danger moving forward 30 seconds but it you know we absolutely need to have freedom of information that is the most important thing and when these big Media Companies and when our congressional leaders are pressuring the Media Companies to censor information theyre not just censoring a persons ability to speak theyre censoring my ability to hear it and that to me is even more of horrendous that theyre censoring me from receiving any information or that theyre forcing me to receive only certain information and that is something that we the people need to really be guarding against and saying its not just about somebodys ability to say whatever they want its my ability and my right to hear it so that then i can assess whether or not i want to believe it or what direction i want to go with that but all in all you know we really need to be fighting back as the people we really need to be rising up and saying we will not tolerate this perfect way to end the program here i want to thank my guests in los angeles and in nashville and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here argue cx i remember. 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