You know the the professional manager real class that looks down on everyone here theyre on their own hes complaining about conspiracy theories but the way they manipulate the media what do you get is result you get people thinking conspiratorial like why is this happening why cant we interest know ok the whole with the whole scandal or alleged scandal im always careful with my language surrounding the biden family you know i mean there are i have been presented in some by some news outlets facts what they determine to be facts ok and fine let them go where they were when russia gave was just allegations and leaks and Anonymous Sources that were never proven ever but when you have a case you know theres a hard drive there are witnesses there are there are well under orders for money but these are real things that you know we have a right to consider ok particularly if the accusation of political mouthpiece and is in play go ahead roger. Or twitter gets away with it suppressing a lot of us because theres something called section 2 services the legislation which is now under review actively into national omari no 2 senator and friend Marsha Blackburn whos in the forefront of getting a sort of revised where section 230 does free listening. Is it sort of gives a tweet or facebook etc a firewall gets to be sued for shaws material or suppressing it serial which of course they do it causes it to its reach them is as if they were not publishers but of course they are publishers in fact in the country increasingly publishers so they begin to getting away with murder and in fact theres theyre smarter publishers knew little published it was no use this release from losers so. In that way if i think that people should support this revising of 230 because x. Really going to hopefully help i think its going to go much further than that telling them i mean you are the product on me these are private companies because when i think that all of us were really came to understand censorship as the state censoring people here and i think thats kind of a more pure traditional definition here but we dont live in that world anymore of facebook and twitter are so essentially utilities now they function as utilities right now and so i think the censorship of the in will the laws we have about censorship should be applied to them because they act like utilities they act and they know they dont act like monopolies they are virtual monopolies so these last shouldnt apply to them as well so we have to amend an end to 30 isnt going to be enough ok were going to have to do more because if we dont do it pretty soon that we wont know that what were losing we wont know what we dont know camp. Yeah absolutely these social Media Companies are in fact utilities we are not you know we if theyre publishers the way that theyre sort of behaving at this point then every single one of us thats using the platform is essentially what some kind of contractor of their Publishing Service where were where theyre editorializing us and are we being hired i mean if it becomes this kind of interesting where do they really fall and they havent been able to write to really define their Business Model and for the user its obvious what the Business Model is were using it to connect to the same way we use telephones to connect the same way we use or any other sort of service to connect with other people and theyre saying well no but you might be able to to blast out your opinions and your fake news conspiracy theories to thousands of people all those thousands of people have to actively choose to follow you they have to actively choose to friend you or watch you or subscribe to your whatever it is the platform so really the definition for these companies does need to be nailed down and then after it is completely defined what they are then they do need to be regulated in a way that is appropriate for their Business Model but in my opinion theyre absolutely utilities and they should not be getting in the way of my communication with you. You know kim brings up such an excellent point because all 3 of us we create content what about what about our rights ok as creators of content here because you know roger the same thing happened to me on process i mean you know you i notice that you know the number of hits for a program is gone down steadily but the number of comments remain the same its really quite remarkable i wonder i wish they could explain that to me and of course other programs and then just for our you tube page subscriptions and wobble up and down and theres no rhyme or reason to it and when we ask theres never an answer go ahead right there in syria they control the algorithms and for that reason you and i asked him are all too seriously at their prey whenever we writes a t. V. Writer are all out or is is under their control and we have no idea where the rhythm. And they change and all the time us so were seeing worse and i think this death googles more dangerous even eventually replaced. So. I mean going back to a can was saying were trying to curry entirely the the fact that we have to tackle these companies are global. Usually infamous is nothing if history has even remotely. I mean b. S. You certainly did dish there you know i did in the community where you cant even see them like. It is due to a big control with flow of information glocal this is really shitty actually i mean it can but it makes it more scary is that theres no accountability i mean if you look how we have a politician you can you know you know bring out your broom and you know to say you know sweep them away and the next Election Year theres no accountability i mean you know for example the way theyre treating the that the story surrounding hunter buy up i dont mean they dont give us any explanation why youre doing what youre doing when you went after the president of the United States for almost 4 years. Without any facts that were discernible and provable but in this case theres a lot of interesting things but there is one so its one sided its hypocritical but they still dont say you think they might i know that theyre being pulled in front of congress to explain themselves i will eagerly listen to what they have to say because there is no explanation reasonable honest explanation for what theyre doing. Yeah there really isnt i mean they it it and it is interesting its kind of what you said earlier where this theyre controlling the narrative leads us all into feeling even more conspiratorial i mean they say oh we got to stop the fake news of the conspiracy theories but then the rest of us sit back and we and we see them doing as we see them controlling the narrative censoring information choosing what we can and cannot see i mean even rips of doctors researchers politicians journalists everybody gets censored on their platform it doesnt seem to be just tear your basement dwelling conspiracy theorist it seems to be anybody and everybody that they just dont agree with or a narrative that they dont like to hear and it is something that it is very scary that that its a form of mind control i mean it sounds conspiratorial right but its a its a form of mind control its a form of brain. Washing the public into believing one narrative and one narrative only and they arent held accountable they got away on hard braking thats not hard anymore discussion on media and journalism and. L. Look forward to talking to you all. That technology should work for people. I robot must obey the orders given by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the 1st law show your identification for should be very careful about official intelligence and the point is to create trust. On a very plain with Artificial Intelligence real summoning the d. M. And. The robot must protect its own existence and existence. Will. Join me every thursday on the alex simon chill and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. 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Ok rogers go back to you in nashville i mean one of the things thats very curious for me and maybe you both of you have a different experience but you know because i do watch the media and i do try to watch a wide array of media even though i really its really cringe the most of the time for me i dont really have a very difficult time understanding what theyve been penned demick is all about and what you should do because its been so intensely politicized and its very very confusing and i wonder sometimes if thats just being done intentional just used the word mind control which of course i think would be much more controlling peoples behaviors ok and im not asking you to take a side on this debate about the pandemic but i think its very damaging for the public when you get such conflicting because everybody seems to own science and except for one scientists are censored ok i mean that really scares me ok i dont have any background in this kind of stuff i dont understand i look to authorities of legitimate authority is but then they say well hes a legitimate doctor hes not hes a doctor but hes not legitimate hes political and they start pointing fingers at each other i think that thats a really huge disservice that we have right now and and and facebook and other platforms they weigh in on it you know i get this all the time on facebook about coping in coverage and news and fake news and its as i find it really bewildering and it really damages the confidence the public has in the authorities. Well you know were a show here and everybody seems to be agreed because i get to we agree with you. Know to share it is my fault or was a radiologist and they. Are the Manhattan Project so you. Got what it is a she taught me as a lawyer where theres no society is settled science. And. It was right. And it was a way yet in a way your apply of course is all these people are telling you what settles and hence it is and every meeting facebook at musically is very top of all of that and. We have things like the Great Barrington statement that just came out from the doctors wrong why did that through example masks are of little detail of the etc and these are real serious people and skip noted you know conspiracies it is series of people in their basements smoking crack never really in the real deal but it may be later although i dont know if you know me or we dont know we are not given the opportunity to think for ourselves. But thats just it kim thats exactly whats going on here they dont want people to think for themselves and they want to look not just to look to these people for a guy but the problem with that is that i have a fundamental ideological difference with posted there the way they see the world ok and i refuse to submit i have my own views i will make up my own mind and i will go to the people that i think are authoritative thats our role i believe our right to do but. Im only so you know like when i put up a a video in the you know in the end do you monetise why is it the money times ok and then you know you have to write to them and a good number of times they say oh ok fine but sometimes they never do and they never give you an answer or go or you know its just like you know in my day in a writers agent you know its a xerox copy of something and that its big xerox so many times its built into the side and its all faded you know its like they dont care about you they dont care what you thinking ok i mean the i dont think people understand how ideologically driven these people are kim yeah i mean its really a shame and regarding this pandemic the governments role really should be to give us information and as much information as there is and then we should be left to do what we want to with that information they should tell us look there spikes going on in your area this is where the spikes are occurring or this is what were finding with mask or this is what were you thinking with this or that just giving us the information and that is the thats the tool that we the people would use to make up our own minds and that goes for our previous discussion about social media and the censorship we need information we need as much information as we can get from a variety of sources with a variety of opinions and then we the people get to make up our minds based on all of that information now they say well we like it also information but thats up to us and Snake Oil Salesmen have been. There is all this time we need to determine what we think is truth and what we think is false thats absolutely true but the consumer has the ultimate sovereignty here and they and they forget that you know roger you know when i look at how much its really trying to change the media environment because its really been quite dramatic and i dont i dont think you have to be a really keen follower of politics is that the media has kneejerk response to be against everything he says and does and sometimes he actually has some good ideas and actually does some good things here but when you have this kind of blanket thing against him if you end up being irrational you end up being against good ideas and follow ups and things like that because i dont know how the media recovers from this because they have conditioned themselves to be so ideologically driven ideologically correct i mean its going to its hard for me to fathom how theyre going to react in a biting era if the times that becomes president ok i think it just you know like they did with barack obama never criticize them here well if that happens id like to remind all of these media people and detect why do you think donald trump got elected in 2016 ok if youre just going to fall on over the ideal not the person that you are i have some kind of ideological affinity with thats how the media has abandoned the good up with the for the good of the people ok people made up their own mind in 2016 and that was the peoples biggest mistake and theyre going to be they have been punished for it and i think theyre going to be punished even more even if joe wins next week go ahead roger well i drew that theres a bright side next to the right side is a. 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Thats a group that solely what is it is so the whole of media may be horrible and the readers are the jurors who leave you are smarter than that thats you thats and were trying to think through that a bit yeah you know kim you know the rushing game never seems to die if this is this amazing organism its like this intergalactic by risk that it can survive under any circumstances ok and it can be employed i mean if youre it but if youre angry with the weather it must be russians fault ok or you know if you if you miss a meal its because the russians made you do it ok i mean whats being you know adam shipped you know i mean when he dines he needs to go to some medical institute where they examine his grain because what happened to his brain how can everything go back to one thing ok its extraordinary how this this ridiculous hoax has a life of its own and it seems its going to be quite convenient in the future oh and by the way in a lot of stuff to dealing with the biden family have to do with china so i guess the russians did that true amazing go ahead and well if it aint broke dont fix that thats a democratic strategy so they know that this works this gets people riled up this gets people to hate trump even more and to be more suspicious of ham and so relatives can go and and thats been the strategy all along and it really is unfortunate that. You know even with this latest rook at his taxes where they were oh gosh he only paid 750. 00 what was interesting about that was where was russia remember they wanted to see his taxes so that they could figure out his connection to russia and they never found that instead it was a different scandal that they made up but they continue to harp on this russia narrative this russia conspiracy even without continually without gaining any evidence of it except they bought some ads on facebook ok kim you know i like theyve been saying something very of few years now and you still free to use it as much as you want in russian game there are there is there are there isnt much russia and there are Many Russians in russia. But we have learned here ok you know roger and you know how was it you know it it seems one of the things they dont ask you everything has been debunked ok but there is no reckoning no one in the media says yeah we got it wrong and i think theyre going to pay very very dearly for that ok because you know we so much airtime so much ink and so much has been wasted on this year and and it shows it unfortunately for me also my pessimism here it shows that a grand Conspiracy Theory can work to your advantage if you get enough people on board. Well you know i always like to think if a show make it has great comedy when somebody says its not about the thirtys. And you know if this is for example so much money has be made out of shape. That it had a show to play to the russians of people who look at china. But the. Destitute as it goes through the media too like c. N. N. If they didnt complain about russia even fewer people are watching. 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Even more i mean its amazing i mean Rachel Maddow is made an entire career out of it so she shes the Media Version adam schiff is the political version here and theres no downside to being wrong there you see the the power we have as individuals and as citizens is the shame of these people thats the power that we have and i constantly do it and i dont do it in a cruel way but i use their own words and their own suppositions against them ok and thats how you win these arguments with these people but were going full circle the last 30 seconds goes the kim if we dont know what we dont know that is the greatest danger moving forward 30 seconds but it yeah we absolutely need to have freedom of information and that is the most important thing and when these big Media Companies and when our congressional leaders are pressuring the Media Companies to censor information theyre not just censoring a persons ability to speak theyre censoring my ability to hear it and that to me is even more of horrendous that theyre censoring me from receiving any information or that theyre forcing me to receive only certain information and that is something that we the people need to really be guarding against and saying its not just about somebodys ability to say whatever they want its my ability and my right to hear it so that then i can assess whether or not i want to believe it or what direction i want to go with that but all in all you know we really need to be fighting back as the people we really need to be rising up and saying we will not tolerate this perfect way to end the program here i want to thank my guests in los angeles and in nashville and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here argue cx i remember. 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