A potential military alliance which these 2 countries do not know right now but this possibility putin said this the russian president theoretically its quite possible to imagine with without any doubt our cooperation with china is bolstering the defense because capacity of chinas army time will show how it will develop we cant exclude it weve never heard this before from the russian president whats changed go ahead. In a period of 5 decades russia and china have gone from the brink of war with each other which could have it both Nuclear Weapons to a situation today where both countries have formed an informal sure sieges partnership with one another to stand american a call who mastery now given that 5 decades sees in relative terms of very short period of time the turnaround in relations between moscow and beijing is quite simply astonishing however i am of the opinion that the lay ship is raised russia and china is not one of our fantasy it is one of necessity both countries need each other to prosper you know well its in no way should. Be over who to create power now i so i do not see any reason why the informal should c. J. Partnership between russia and china wont break down of the forseeable future but there are serious challenges to that relationship and it is these challenges are only ones that people in washington and london come from really we think recent times so for example china is continuing to try and undermine russias predominance in central asia and i hope all the more so once china launches its one belts and it is it and then you have lost just very close relationship overlay ships with india and vietnam which is a very serious concern for china because india and vietnam. Through various potential adversaries all china and china could very easily come and go in a war with both of those countries then you have chinas very close relationship with america which gives a lot of concern to the kremlin. And so we also have to tell you. Into consideration the military relationship now im very aware of president putin says boss im not so sure he really believes there will be a military alliance because the russians are very sensitive in concerns about a supply of high tech. On a solution is military because many in the kremlin often says. Russia could be there was enough military force in china one day it could strengthen the National Security of the Russian Federation now all that said i see the relationship between russia and china continue in syria blossom in the future but there are very serious challenges cigarettes you know theres already a past when it didnt have to be this way this wasnt an inevitability. This relationship we can put ever whatever adjective you want to put in front of it but this is basically the makings of washington i mean and and they did they did it with eyes wide open go ahead george yes without question. What 3. Since the end of the cold war has been a massive expansion of nato something the russians would be to blame warned they didnt exist then read. The United States with a growing brown key military agreement with russia most recently from the ins the what they call that the a. B. M. Treaty and now theyre planning with a group of the open skies agreement. And now you know it could be that the new start treaty has also put history so that one thing well the other thing which is over real terms on russia is the level of a big true that is directed toward russia and of from ordinary the from the tabloid press but from the very. Highest levels of the u. S. Government about the. The people who are in the executive branch with people who are in congress. And of course you have the media stoking those so when you have. The absence of any arms agreements a bus of all arms race developing process the sort of hostility yes then russia does view of britain and is obviously growing towards china now china also feels very threatened because it is gradually replacing the United States as the global they have Enormous Economic and financial power and never in history has one had your money quietly ceded its the role in the world to a rising veteran and given the hostility that emanating war china from trouble especially now biden is actually saying that trump of being too soft on china so its quite obvious that some sort of a serious problem but between the United States and china it is like in the very near future so you can see why both russia and china book existential reasons are increasingly grohl towards each other who was saying was that this is a real possibility is not saying that its going to happen tomorrow but that is no real possibility so you know. Thats marcus and thats exactly how i read it is that you know its almost table and it is negotiable and it depends on external factors and i think that that was just kind of basically putting up the flag on the floor and seeing if anybody salutes and it is actually also a warning ok because theres theres this. Ridiculous li held concept in the west that russia is just begging to join the American Coalition and you know it and in its of this part of this american exceptionalism if you just listen to us and do it we say everything will be fine with the russians not thats not true in the chinese certainly dont know thats not true as a matter of right now china is on the receiving end of what russians been on the receiving end for years go ahead mark. Oh absolutely paisa you know gone are the days away in a lawsuit integration with the west and im talking about us in the early days. Since his tenure in power now that hes. Long gone laughter so the day eases shrive into a chief for potential in the wells and russia understands acutely that in order for his search chief its full potential then he has really does have to seek should he take alliances around the world and that is one of the main reasons why russia has formed so they say unofficial shifts Egypt Partnership with china and its certainly the case that a military alliance between moscow and beijing ease possible unless those challenges to the relationship which i outlined moments ago of his oath and our military alliance simply will not happen and it is it is also a case that there is talk in washington and london that the american screwed well there should nixon attempted and indeed actually achieved to drool china away from us as nixon drew china away from the soviet union and i referred earlier to how china has a very very heavy relationship with america that is one way the americans could achieve distrust in the relationship between moscow and beijing now i dont see that happening in the 1st. Us anything new anything is possible challenges between russia and china really have to be resolved and in regards to india russia has put itself forward through all of the parties concerned as a mediator as a british because russia is telling china india and sri and i have that leslie was so for all. Less fuel cells for the soul the difference is that who is going to benefits it is going to be america. Russia acts and as a mediator has not worked so far because china and india came so close. To question is tension is growing thats free in china and finance and the chinese know who breaks out in strange china and india or china and 3 and a half chinese soldiers who die and die at the hands of lost weapons and those options off into that safe india and so i do hope this challenge can be results you know but i think i think that given the case of ok having the difficulty resolving these issues ok its that these are very clear here but the other the other gambit is is to trust washington and i dont see thats possible i think that george you really i saw you nodding your head i mean the thing is is that the american politics is at a point right now were russia is just the cultural to fight your internal enemies ok so i cant see how this is going to change very much and i think the chinese have actually learned to watching how washington is treated a moscow and its a real printer because all the issues that mark has just brought up its probably easier to deal with those issues than to deal with that ministration in the United States your. Question peter because. This kind of talk comes from washington about how well we should now be a tilt toward russia against china just as you know nixon tilted towards china against the soviet union its just hogwash because. Of the so many years of unremitting hostility toward russia and serious threat towards russia you cant just turn around and say oh well that will be bygones be bygones and now please joy. Join us in some kind of a Global Coalition against china i mean there are terms on stupid. They know perfectly well that essentially whats behind this is a kind of lets you and him fight you know theyre going to try and push russia into a war with china and then they can bury us the gist of the said back white this is this is a really bad conflict going on here so i think theres just you know that train left the station a long time ago. But i do think that the comfort china conflict with india china comping vietnam while real are i think much less urgent right now than the conflict with the United States i mean thats the thats a serious one because here you get. The United States which is really now very concerned about this role in the world and this is this is not happen this is were talking out of us its like a 45. 00 no one has challenged the United States the supremacy in the world i mean yes the soviet union did when he came to nuclear arms but in terms of economics finance. Geopolitical influence certainly you could rival the i say that china is not in a position to do that ok i dont even want any were going to go to a short break and thats our break well continue our discussion and some real stay with r. T. What else still seems wrong. But all roads just dont hold. Any oil yet to seep out these days become active. And engaged because the trail. When something find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. Welcome back to cross top where all things are considered im Peter Labelle remind you were discussing some real names. Were going to go back to marcus and in london pat buchanan an author i often cite on this program and came out with another brilliant column a couple of days titled america a land of ceaseless conflict and he ruminates about the illusion that some people have in the Political Class media in the United States is that once trumps gone everything is going to go back to normal will get every will be quiet and even you know joe biden said on the campaign trail nothing will fundamentally change these people dont know what theyre talking about because the rift that is going on in american politics and culture is so deep the obese the abyss is so deep that i think that you know what happened in the trunk administration is this reflection of those divisions that he didnt create those divisions irrespective of how you feel about trump so going back to normal thats an illusion marcus what do you think. America is not for want of a better word a new whole country firstly it was born out of genocide and secondly and the fact so im going to side now might be distasteful to a lot of people when it is near a little its a quite frankly im not interested in what they Frank America is not a nation states and that Manes America has never truly had an identity america has never truly has a coach was the most soulful the largest groups groups in america are moving european for example with english german sorriest so sirish and and irish there are many other ethnic groups there if you take australia australian america has relatively speaking similar length periods of history there is more of an Australian National identity and culture and unity than there is in america because the vast majority of australians dissent from the british ottos in particular england but in america the you do not have that sort of harmony so that is a major problem we hear a lot of liberals in america talk about how america is a successful military it would be nice if everyone in the wells was united that is not how human beings have evolved human beings have the fountains of years if over into trying that is the way it is this is the way its always will be and indeed flame a person once asked rather tartly doesnt merit rashly have a coach and im saying it doesnt because america is not a nation state that is why america will always be divided no matter who sits in yellow you can make the argument that it is a nation state of multiple tribes ok i think that that. Thats a viable argument to make you but george you know to my point here i mean these divisions have been with us for a very long time and something more one of my favorite mantras as you well know is that you know the the the neil liberal ideology that is that is practiced and forced down on on everyone its it does argue about what culture means what American Culture means but they refused to talk about class and that is the biggest division ok you know a black live matter there n. T. V. You know our poor tshombe you know these are the things they do to keep us divided and i and i would be willing to say. Saw it very differently and its up to our viewers to decide how successful he has been but the you know the the class issue is what got him elected and thats an issue that could get him reelected if he were focused on it but it is late day in the game i dont know if hes going to be able to to overcome the but you know joe biden said you know nothing will fundamentally change well thats the problem when things need to fundamentally change ok because the next republican after trauma of those in 4 years or 8 years is going to be somebody thats going to be like trump but probably a far more effective in office go ahead george. Yes heres the other problem with the United States you know and to be a functioning democracy in means that there is a consensus and theres a consensus about the succession of power i mean what happened in 2016 and i think it at least in terms of modern history is never happened which is. One class simply refused to accept that election result when that happens of course then youve got the makings of a civil war because whichever way the selection goes its almost certainly going to be a very close one and its very unlikely that either side will accept the election result. Should be reelected then you the so those who have been rioting all of this year plus this of the media allies will be justifying the violence of the with and black lives matter they will be in support they will be they will support the violence and they will just simply refuse to accept trumps reelection whether they blame russia for it or theyll find Something Else of the blame the october surprise the brave bring it all trumps by bringing up the theres a laptop they will blame that and almost certainly within days of being inaugurated nancy pelosi house will launch an impeachment yet another impeachment if it goes the other way if it goes if biden wins and particularly after what were going to have these elections you were going to be counting and counting and counting for weeks on end and sunny whoa biden is one weve got the votes then i think theyll be a real burst in the growth of in the militant movement and as happened in the ninetys its quite likely that the u. S. Administration will likely try to crack down on the militant movement. If it ends in the kind of bloodshed as happened in waco 1903 then you know then the best really good to be of violence a very serious insurrection that the government may well not be able to cope with because even the government if they dont dont have like other little happen of waco i mean the Yemeni Government itself might be ok thats when you you know marcus i dont think the topic for the program i think there is American Culture but i mean probably think about it differently being an american i suppose but i mean one thing that you know for a viable nations say you have to have institutions where there is a consensus that they these institutions have legitimacy kind of picking up my georges and their these institutions you not have universal legitimacy and not is the problem right here people dont believe in the electoral outcomes anymore ok they dont believe that the in the state is going to enforce protection of their rights weve seen and it depends on what you know what your political create is i mean you can you can land on one side of the law and if you have a different radio on another side ok and its basically liberals that take care of themselves and if you are a perfect example people in trumps orbit being indicted and things like that then that the legitimacy of the system as they say is in doubt this election is going to show it go ahead. If i pay such wall following a society to get off a dominant culture that is absolutely crucial for insured hong kong and you see existence we are a society but i absolutely accept there are many other factors which can be sciences to account for why American Society historically is divided and as you correctly cited peter cost is a major factor and that is something about i think the democrats and all those upon it can see. Came in syria accounts though of course down i suspect they know its the case. Yes that lease me on so your money i believe that if there is to be who he lists it chomped surrealistic opportunity creates in a far greater degree off harmony it never in society then there has to be. Another Political Party in america one that is truly independent one that does not have a very slow uclear spirit miss military industrial. Complex to the Big Pharmaceutical Companies foreign policy. Israel and saudi arabia they have only they could there be a real chance your life both. Values more shots of hell freezes over then another ass emotion like price in Britain Britain is dominated by the conservative party and the labor party unless that changes in britain unless changes in america then the situation we see in both countries will just continue indefinitely its been continuing like hundreds of years peter nothing fundamentally changes in either britain or america or why those policies in america britain parts of the the assassinations the british and the american perspective. You know you know george really unite. The gaggle about how please be aware that the d. O. J. Was starting antitrust against google unfortunately an american problem in the u. K. Do you can have antitrust against Political Parties it is i would be all for in the end to break up those do big parties because the fact of the matter is the most common political affiliation in the United States is not affiliated ok they the majority of the population of voting age is politically home. Yes ok and beat and as long as they remain homeless the status quo will be maintained except for changes on the margins ok and its all about you know its its a celebrity politics is what its about nobody wants to talk about the substance because if you did most people of pull out of a pitchfork and they should go ahead george yes yes thats right and its kind of interesting that when the pot is attempting to push their way into the United States they were met with or roches opposition by the maids the but is that in their personal tied them up in court because its quite hard to get on the balance in the United States in that you have to have 850000 signatures or whatever and you keep challenging the signature and you take them to court then essentially bankrupt. This what happened with ross perot theres your top of the bag you got over and then what you had when the gates are are out nader is a Massive Media but still it was him you know how dare you run how dare you take both aware of the. Rights based you know you well. Thats right and they did not win with jill stein the great you are letting in trump you are working in the business clearly a russian well. So it is extremely hot but a thought but when youre out of than anywhere else or in other countries but bodies are emerging not too much typical but in the United States almost impossible to do that but but youre right when you if you get a situation where people are homeless and are unable to express the that is then the violence is more likely out unfortunately have to leave on that very depressing point i want to thank my guests in budapest and in london i want to thank our viewers for watching us here r. T. See you next time remember crosstalk. The maturity to. Go in and you may never get over. My teenage gang rules here. Who want to remove. My. Name. And melanie when. You. See. Weve broken a lot of stories over the years the hoax that is the fracking industry we broke against. A bunch of other ones that we were in the lead covered it nobody else did i think now weve got a tiger by the tail here i think were in the midst ending of the torch from the u. S. To china the 1st to do strap is upon us. It just gets more and more evidence coming in. In the 1920 s. And thirtys several 100 africanamericans move to the soup union and many still live in russia. On things. Back home like american suffered. From racism and a complete lack of prospects. Not the smug the deal and ill be a loser and show them one by else a store on the by doing. So they decided to leave everything behind and start a new life in a country about which they knew almost nothing at all and some of the African Americans who are lurkers who are your new in the night found great crowd. The moon is going few going to go through you and now almost a 100 years later history is repeating itself my great grandfather george times the winds of russia. Probably the worst time to go anywhere why not me. When i come here. Im going to have your. French products are stripped from stores while portraits of president macron go up in flames and some muslim majority country says anger grows over a crackdown on suspected islamicists following the slaying of a teacher in paris if the government still goes on to divide us it will create separate groups in society and it is not the solution today we have to be careful of not developing and then to muslim hatred. Oh. Well preelection tensions are up to the violence in new yorks times square we examine whether the main rivals in the race for the white house perhaps have more in common than their supporters might think. And the many faces