President theoretically its quite possible to imagine with without any doubt our cooperation with china is bolstering the defense because capacity of chinas army time will show how it will develop we cant exclude it weve never heard this before from the russian president whats changed. In a period of 5 decades russia and china have gone from the brink of war with each other which could have it both Nuclear Weapons to a situation today where both countries have formed an informal sure c. G. Partnership with one another to stand american a call who mastery now given that 5 decades sees in relative terms of very short period of time the turnaround in relations between moscow and beijing is quite simply astonishing however i am of the opinion about the relationship between russia and china is one of a fantasy it is one of necessity both countries need each other to prosper you know well its in a way. The over who to create power now i so i do not see any reason why the informal should c. J. Partnership between russia and china wont break down in the forseeable future but there are serious challenges to that relationship and it is these challenges are only ones that people in washington and london come from really we think recent times so for example china is continuing to try and undermine russias predominance in central asia and i hope all the more so once china launches its one belts and it is if again you have lost just a very close relationship overlay ships with india and vietnam which is a very serious concern for china because india and vietnam. Through various potential adversaries all china and china could very easily come and go in a war with both of those countries then you have chinas very close relationship with america which gives a lot of concern to the kremlin. And so we also have to tell you. Into consideration the military relationship now im very aware of president putin says boss im not so sure he really believes that there will be a military alliance because the russians are very sensitive and concerned about a supply of high tech. Solutions military because many in the kremlin often says. Russia could be there was enough a military force in china one day it could strengthen the National Security of the Russian Federation now all that said i see the relationship between russia and china continue in syria blossom in the future but there are very serious challenges cigarettes you know it. Really has when it didnt happen to be that this wasnt an inevitability here this relationship we can put ever whatever adjective you want to put in front of it but this is basically the makings of washington i mean and and they did they did it with eyes wide open go ahead george yes without question. What 3. Since the end of the cold war has been a massive expansion of nato something that the russians would be to blame warned they didnt exist then read. The United States with a growing brown key military agreement with russia most recently from the ins but before that the a. B. M. Treaty and now as though theyre planning with a group of the open skies agreement. And now you know it could be that the new start treaty has also put history so that one thing well the other thing which is over real terms on russia is the level of a big true that is directed toward russia and of from ordinary the from the tabloid press but from the very. Highest levels of the Us Government it will be. The people who are in the executive branch with people who are in congress. And of course you have the media stoking those so when you have. The absence of any arms agreements a possible arms race developing process the sort of hostility yes then russia does view of britain and is obviously growing towards china now china also feels very threatened because it is gradually replacing the United States as the global they have Enormous Economic and financial power and never in history has one had your money quietly ceded its the role in the world to a rising veteran and given the hostility that emanating war china from trump and especially now biden is actually saying that trump of being too soft on china so its quite obvious that some sort of a serious home plate between the United States and china is like in the very near future so because the wives both russia and china book existential reasons are increasingly growing towards each other a group who was saying was that this is a real possibility is not saying that is going to happen tomorrow at that it no real possibility so you know. Thats marcus and thats exactly how i read it is that you know its almost table and it is negotiable and it depends on external factors and i think that that was just kind of basically putting up the flag on the floor and seeing if anybody salutes and it is actually also a warning ok because theres theres this. Ridiculous li held concept in the west is that russia is just begging to join the American Coalition and you know it and in its of this part of this american exceptionalism if you just listen to us and do it we say everything will be fine with the russians not thats not true in the chinese certainly dont know thats not true as a matter of fact now china is on the receiving end of what russia has been on the receiving end for years go ahead mark. Oh absolutely paisa you know gone are the days away in the last just sort integration with the west and im talking about us in the early days. Since his tenure in power now that hes. Long gone laughter so the day eases shrive into a chief for potential in the wells and russia understands acutely that in order for his her chief its full potential then he has really does have to seek should he take alliances around the world and that is one of the main reasons why russia has formed so they say unofficial shifts Egypt Partnership with china and its certainly the case that a military alliance between moscow and beijing ease possible unless those challenges to the relationship which i outlined moments ago of his oath and our military alliance simply will not happen and it is it is also a case that there is hope in washington and london that the american screwed well there should nixon assented and indeed actually achieved to drool china away from us as nixon through china away from the soviet union and i referred earlier to how china has a very very heavy relationship with america that is one way of the americans could achieve distrust in the relationship between moscow and beijing now i dont see that happening in the 1st. Bus or anything new anything is possible challenges between russia and china really have to be resolved and in regards to india russia has put itself forward so who are all of the parties concerned as a mediator as a british because russia is telling china india and 3 and a half that leslie was so for all. Less fuel cells for the soul the difference is that who is going to benefits it is going to be america. Russia acts and as a mediator has not worked so far because china and india came so close. To question is tension is growing thats free in china and finance and the chinese know who breaks out in strange china and india or china and 3 and a half chinese soldiers who die and die at the hands of lost made weapons and those options are on incident safe india and so i do hope this challenge can be results you know but i think i think that given the case of ok having the difficulty resolving these issues ok its that these are very clear here but the other the other gambit is is to trust washington and i dont see thats possible i think that george you really i saw you nodding your head i mean the thing is is that the american politics is at a point right now were russia is just the cultural to fight your internal enemies ok so i cant see how this is going to change very much and i think the chinese have actually learned to watching how washington is treated a must in its a real printer because all the issues that mark has just brought up its probably easier to deal with those issues than to deal with the administration in the United States your. Question peter because. This kind of talk comes from washington about how well we should now be a tilt toward russia against china just as you know nixon tilted towards china against the soviet union its just hogwash because. Of the so many years of unremitting hostility toward russia and serious threat towards russia you cant just turn around and say oh well that will be bygones be bygones and now please joy. Join us in some kind of a Global Coalition against china i mean the russians on stupid if they know perfectly well that essentially whats behind this is a kind of lets you and him fight you know theyre going to try and push russia into a war with china and then eikenberry going to just to the set back why this is this is a really bad conflict going on here so i think theres just you know that train left the station a long time ago. But i do think that the comfort china conflict with india and china comping vietnam while real are i think much less urgent right now than they are at the conflict with the United States i mean thats the thats a serious one because here you get. The United States which is really now very concerned about its role in the world and this is this is not happen this is were talking now but its like a 45. 00 no one has challenged the United States the supremacy in the world i mean yes the soviet union did when he came to nuclear arms but in terms of economics finance. Geopolitical influence certainly in it with the right will be safe china is not in a position to do that ok i didnt want any were going to go to west or break it up thats our break well continue our discussion and some real staying with our to. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guests of the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. In the 1920 s. And thirtys several 100 africanamericans moved to the soviet union and many of their descendants still live in russia. Being at the risk of no no rush but i thought yes it. Was one thing on their way. Back home but i can merican suffered from racism and a complete lack of prospects. In the real. One by elsa store or by doing. So they decided to leave everything behind and start a new life in a country about which they knew almost nothing at all some of the. Who were through during the night if you heard around the crowd. Moved a dwarf you youre going to go you. Know almost a 100 years later the history is repeating itself my great grandfather george time went to russia. Probable worst. To go anywhere why not me. Why dont i come here. Welcome back to cross up where all things are considered im hearing about all dramatic you were discussing some real. Were going to go back to marcus today in london pat buchanan an author i often side on this program it came out with another brilliant. Couple of days titled america elaine sees conflict and he women its about the the illusion that some people have in the political media in the united. Its is it one trumps gone everything is going to go back to normal will get everything will be quiet and even you know joe biden said on the campaign trail nothing will fundamentally change these people dont know what theyre talking about because the rift that is going on in american politics and culture is so deep the obese the abyss is so deep that i think that you know what happened in the trunk ministration is this reflection of those divisions that he didnt create those divisions irrespective of how you feel about from so going back to normal thats an illusion marcus what do you think. America is not for want of a better word a new whole country firstly it was born out of genocide and secondly and the fact so im going to side now might be distasteful to a lot of people when in particular liberals are quite frankly im only interested in what they Frank America is not a nation states and that Manes America has never truly had an identity america has never truly has a coach was the most soulful the largest groups groups in america are moving european for example with english german sorriest so sirish and and irish there are many other ethnic groups there if you take australia australia in america have relatively speaking similar length periods of history there is more of an Australian National identity and culture and unity than there is in america because the vast majority of australians dissent from the british ottos in particular england but in america the you do not have that sort of harmony so that is a major problem we hear a lot of liberals in america talk about how america is a successful military it would be nice if everyone in the wells was united that is not how human beings have evolved human beings have the fountains of years if over into trying that is the way it is the way its always will be and indeed flame a person once asked rather tartly doesnt merit rashly have a coach and im saying it doesnt because america is not a nation state that is why america will always be divided no matter who sits in but yet you can make the argument that it is a nation state of multiple tribes ok i think that that. Thats a viable argument to make you but george you know to my point here i mean these divisions have been with us for a very long time and something one of my favorite mantras as you well know is that you know the the im the neil liberal ideology that is that is practiced and forced down on on everyone its it does argue about what culture means what American Culture means but they refused to talk about class and that is the biggest division ok you know a black live matter there n. T. V. You know or a portion you know these are the things they do to keep us divided and i and i would be willing to say. Saw it very differently and its up to our viewers to decide how successful he has been but the you know the the class issue is what got him elected and thats an issue that could get him reelected if he were focused on it but it is late day in the game i dont know if hes going to be able to to overcome that but you know joe biden said you know nothing will fundamentally change well thats the problem when things need to fundamentally change ok because the next republican after trauma it was in 4 years or 8 years its going to be somebody thats going to be like trump but probably a far more effective in office go ahead george. Yes heres the other problem 2 with the United States you know to be a functioning democracy in means that there is a consensus and theres a consensus about the succession of power i mean what happened in 2016 and i think it at least in terms of modern history is never happened which is. One class simply refused to accept that election result well when that happens of course then 2 youve got the makings of a civil war because whichever way the selection goes its almost certainly going to be a very close one and its very unlikely that either side will accept the election result. Should be reelected then you the so those who have been rioting all of this year plus this all of the media allies will be justifying the violence of the with black lives matter they will be in support they will be they will support the violence and they would just simply refuse to accept trumps reelection whether they blame russia for it or theyll find Something Else of the blame the october surprise the brave bring it all trumps by bringing up the theres a laptop they will blame that and almost certainly within days of being inaugurated nancy pelosi house will launch an impeachment yet another impeachment if it goes the other way if it goes if biden wins and particularly are we going to have these elections you were going to be counting and counting and counting for weeks on end and sunny whoa biden is one weve got the votes then i think theyll be a real burst in the growth of the militant movement and as happened in the ninetys its quite likely that the u. S. Administration will likely try to crack down on the militant movement. If it ends in the kind of bloodshed as happened in waco 1903 then you know then the best pretty good to be of violence a very serious insurrection that the government may well not be able to cope with because even the government and i dont have a. Look what happened up waco i mean the Yemeni Government itself there might say thats you know marcus i dont think the topic for the program i think there is American Culture but i mean probably think about it differently being an american i suppose but i mean one thing that you know for a viable nations you have to have institutions where there is a consensus that they these institutions have legitimacy kind of picking up my georges and their these institutions you not have universal legitimacy and not is the problem right here people dont believe in the electoral outcomes anymore ok they dont believe that the in the state is going to enforce protection of their rights weve seen and it depends on what you know what your political create is i mean you can you can land on one side of the law and if you have a different radio on another side ok and its basically liberals that take care of themselves and if youre a perfect example people in trumps orbit being indicted and things like this then with the legitimacy of the system as they say is in doubt this election is going to show it go ahead mark. Yes i concur with that peta wall finds a society together is a dominant culture that is absolutely crucial for insured. Harmonious existence with a society but i absolutely accept there are many other other factors which can be cited to account for why American Society historically is divided and as you correctly cited peter cost is a major factor behind that and that is something about the democrats and all the politicians ill tell you came in syria accounts though of course the down i suspect they know its the case. Yes that leads me on through your mind i believe that if there is to be who realistic chance a realistic opportunity of creating a far greater degree of harmony it never in society then there has to be the emergence of another Political Party in america one that is truly independent one that does not have a very slow group spirit miss military industrial. Complex to the Big Pharmaceutical Companies foreign policy. Is rather than saudi arabia they only they could there be a real chance your life both know peace that there is more shots of hell freezes over than over another. Lot of rising brits a britain is dominated by the conservative party and the labor party unless that changes in britain unless the changes in america then the situation we see in both countries will just continue indefinitely its been continuing like the hundreds of years peter nothing fundamentally changes in either britain or america or why because both of those policies in america britain parts of the. The assassinations the british and the americans. You know you know churchill unite talked about it on the gaggle about how pleased we were the d. O. J. Was starting antitrust against google unfortunately an american problem in the u. K. Do you can have antitrust against Political Parties it was i would be all for it i had to break up those 2 big parties because the fact of the matter is the most common political affiliation in the United States is not affiliated ok theyve the majority of the population of voting age is politically homeless ok and weak and as long as they remain homeless the status quo will be maintained except for changes on the margins ok and its all about you know its its a celebrity politics is what its about nobody wants to talk about the substance because if you did most people have caught a pitchfork and they showed go ahead george yes yes thats right and its kind of interesting that when you. Attempt to push their way into the United States they were met with or roches opposition by the maids the brothers that in their personal tied them up in court because its quite hard to get on the balance in the United States in that you have to have 50000 signatures or whatever and you keep challenging the signature and you take them to court and essentially bankrupt. This what happened with ross perot that your top of the bag you got out of it and then what you had when the gays are are out nader is a Massive Media baron the people still it was him you know how dare you run how dare you take both aware of the market and no regrets based on you know you well. Thats right and they did not win with jill stein the great you are letting in trump you are working for the business clearly a russian well. To bring the well so ringback it is extremely hard but a thought but when youre out of the living room. In other countries i thought about these are a mud not too much typical but in the United States almost impossible to do that but but youre right if you get a situation where people are homeless and are unable to express their that is then violence is likely out unfortunately have to leave on that very depressing point i want to thank my guests in budapest and in london i want to thank our viewers for watching us here r. T. See you next time remember. Join me everything on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business im showbusiness ill see you then. Congo. The maternity town the slums go in and you may never get out sounds ok most of. My teenage gang rules here. No one i. Dont know live in my. Neighborhood who were. But. Name me will be very tall up. To. Her. Was. Looking for the yeah well i knew you. Well the way. You know the mccain. Police all i see. 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