Rules because without sound money without some price discovery you dont have a society full stop. I machinery tanzim going underground as the u. S. Senate reconvenes amid the worst coronavirus death toll in the world and a president ial election that arguably will do little to change things going on in the show yesterdays man with just over 2 weeks until the u. S. President ial election we investigate the legacy of joe biden from prisons in the war on drugs to the Supreme Court battle scars be playing out across the Mainstream Media and ask if his potential victory in 2 weeks will do anything to fix the United States and how aware are we have one specific part of joe bidens legacy his support for the patriot act which authorized the mass of valence of the u. S. Population we speak to Award Winning photographer jeff minimal stein about the death of our privacy all of them all coming up in todays going underground a 1st were just over 2 weeks away from a u. S. President ial election that will take place amid a Global Pandemic a looming economic catastrophe and an impending Climate Crisis the man leading in the polls are headed old trump like his predecessor Hillary Clinton is joe biden a seasoned senator who some in the United States see as a potential return to normal after 4 years of trump but is he really the solution the United States needs or has his nearly 50 years in politics been emblematic of the problems that have led the country to this stage for mass incarceration and the war on drugs to imperialism a new book he has todays man the case against joe biden looks at the veterans out of his career all the way back to his days as a public defender and its all the broader markets edge joins me now via skype from cancun bronco thanks so much for coming on biden favorite to become president in november he supported by Bernie Sanders no one chum skin angela davis have been on this show telling people to support biden tell me about the terrifying record of biden in your new book all. The main trouble in barton is that he has been very conservative throughout his entire career and really kind of. Created the conditions in many ways that led to trumps rise. Which i think is kind of the the main worry with him is is is he going to be able to step up to the plate and meet the mormon now not just with the pen demo it can be an app and there is a tradition thats having that also as you say the Climate Crisis which is easily the the greatest threat facing human civilization the question is im going to be radical enough and going to be bold enough to take the kind of steps and stances that have to be done to mean those crises you know at the moment trying to simply is not not that he has binal the endemic and of course is really just pouring fuel on the fire of the all the Climate Crisis mess i think so larry some people are kind of looking at biden and saying that he was isolated or easygoing in the past up to some specifics i mean he seems to be able to guarantee through the pollsters havent mass time out from africanamerican communities in the u. S. Just tell me about his record was he for racially segregated schools or a not because i know you say by 980 back every racist anti busing measure including bill from jesse helms by doing shame of agent paul 6 just at the center christening of the new deal the political order that had been put in place by Franklin Roosevelt and survived for you know a good 34 decades maybe 5 depending on what was the definition you want to use by the 70s that starts a kind of 4 part because of a variety of factors and all the body came in and then 72 are running a campaign that was what you might describe as kind of broad. Economically calculus to running and protecting in excess spending Social Security analysts other kind of stuff chris isaac operations for avoiding taxes is by night 75 he sense of the winds was shifting the political winds were shifting and so she shopped lee turned a whole host of issues on one of which is things like crime and particularly bussing which people are familiar with that bussing was a form of receipt to sion for a cigar geisha in decades of segregation that aims to take kids black ants and black neighborhoods and bus them of the truth at all really white schools and also some cases through the offices of us white kids the black schools there was a lot of. Anger and tension about those conservatives really made a a key issue and a kind of a wedge issue that they used to. Attack the new deal with and by then realized basically in delaware which is a conservative state kind of a its a Northern State but it was a slave owning state has a. Deep legacy of racism he faces a lot of pushback from his conservative constituents in the like that their kids are being bused to the black schools and he has said you know well look i can see which way this is going and he so he became a some very vehemently. Anti busing politician and as much as possible he also or really was one of the chief architects of the mass incarceration asses than there has of course dominantly. Black and brown communities and its the its and theres a whole host of other things you know as as a decades war on the the economy a liberal consensus that that reagan into place deepened and became more entrenched he didnt i mean as a having to be casual for reform to make a he voted for reagans landmark come budget to cut or eliminate Health Education and sessional some of his programs youre saying by the mandate hang. Hes writing a plan to cut 100000000000. 00 more more than reagan slashing medicare and Social Security i mean how is it that he has now seen hey how is it that someone like angela davis could be on this show saying vote biden i know hes not great but you know hes the best hope you say that is he had a friend that strong thurmond was his friend thats the racists theyre legit rapist and segregationist. Yeah thats part of bidens kind of view of the senates in the senate told this hes kind of clubby culture where the ideas the political differences arent really that important even if theyre really vile and terrible political differences whats really important is is kind of being civil to each other and so he made a big coin and big show of the fact that he was friends with strong of them and when thurmond died he was one of the few that actually went to his funeral. That the reason that people are saying now you have to have a biden is not because people have any sort of allusions about revive knows it was regulars and you know. So many people have tried to make the case that actually hes going to be the next Franklin Roosevelt which i you know if im very doubtful but thats not the case and they the case is that in the lord political system of the United States you really only have 2 choices you either have a choice of trunk or bind and tribe is really as bad as viners trump is worse than actually every issue now obviously the United States has been watching the Supreme Court of the United States hearings for a a macone barack i mean as as a Supreme Court nominations and joe biden why is no one ever talking about his support for Clarence Thomas even after the anything else sex allegations little known his support for judge scalia. Has in my opinion been a bit of a unofficial can in a lot of the Mainstream Press the United States on reporting. Very critically about biden or scrutinizing him a mean. Hes really use the coronavirus and demick to hide away from the press to not take questions to avoid interviews its something that people are now starting to talk about a lot more than lena for a long time because the mention of this is a this is a very smart strategy its very clever the way hes avoiding us for his and what inspired me and i think its a matter of that just. He about im not packing the court not about his history lawyer not liking the court but theres a lot of stuff theres a lot of things in this record that people have kind of politely avoided talking about in this election has really become a trump and not really about biden you know the biden thats probably at this point one of the least scrutinized candidates in history at least i can remember and i think its a bit of a hangover from the 2016 election where i think the the media in the United States saw themselves as the reason that Hillary Clinton lost in the trump war and that because they were so are critical and lets be clear if they had a lot of things to be critical of him for but because there are sort of critical of they feel that they ended up having trump image and i think that there is a feeling that they have to avoid doing so at this time and so youre right things like his support for Clarence Thomas there and you mentioned things like his support for example welfare reform which said welfare reform in the mid ninetys that does not get a mention either you know has his role in voting for nafta and supporting it a whole host of things you know even as his policy on the war on terror he was really key. In that entire infrastructure being built thats been left in a way senator think again its going to want to essentially a referendum on trial what specifically on welfare i know this book goes into detail about his support for the for the failed war on drugs he was a kind of a. Trendsetter for the failed war on drugs oh where was he coming from on that on welfare. So im probably in the United States really became hillary racialized from the sixtys on was and there was this idea and that was really cemented into place and things learned by the reagan and the marine 180 s. That welfare d disproportionately was it was a thing that only really helped black people and that it made people lazy and that actually all just 7. People and again that in the auto measure africanamerican people were taking advantage of the system and there was a need to reform and to make a list ringback generous so that people would not be avoiding work that was the theory was is completely bunk its a good its a completely left that that is what conservatives consoled to the public through the eightys and ninetys and i 6 a bill clinton finally signs and series of isis welfare reform that basically says the federal governments going to take care of offering more its going to give money to the states and states can figure out how they want to implement welfare and buy them by just voted for that but he was actually one of the key democrats who was pushing for that in the mid ninetys. You know as a in the thats harmless very conservative period and it was seen as advantageous true to what people triangulate to kind of approach right wing positions and this was actually welfare reform that was one of the positions in rich who was the architect of the kind of republican comeback in the ninetys ok with the race and all perhaps it means that when obama. Presumably choosing him to be Vice President he ignored the comment from biden saying obama is the fust mainstream africanamerican who is articulate and bright and clean biden. I think has a lot of reasons has been really prominent one is that basically not only do you want someone who has already been think is going to run for president and sort of have his own ambitions of course and not be. Wrong. In the chagrin but also is that if he picks someone who is kind of white and more concerned im older what can some of man that he would get some people more do maybe a bit spooked of the idea of having a black president true much attention is paid to siri martins comments and you know they get me wrong they are also. Offensive. But i think people need to pay more to the actual polls i think the problem with biden and frankly with trump is not their rhetoric its all of the things as say as the things that they do its a way that the whole season theyve implemented respectable career has it really have africanamericans and latinos and the whole who are sick or something that is the big issue right all stuff you that more from the author of yesterdays man the case against joe biden after this break plus photography for the mass of an insane. Median government used to leak if you disagree with the official narrative you call a conspiracy theorist never mind many official narrative initially all of these years it. Is big war. Welcome back im still here with the author of yesterdays man the case against joe biden bronco market which some may know the name du pont because of agent orange that was dropped on vietnam in the u. S. War that killed millions that was bidens relationship to dupont what is his relationship to corporations even before he supported the destruction of the glass table act that arguably created the 2008 crisis you know delaware is the corporate state and spin as you say dollar bar of the jubilant family for generations youre really trying to find politics if youre cross to dupont valley recent delaware. Biden he drew on employees to stop a sin elvas he met regularly with the typical person he was actually even at when he criticized corporations oh is great you know is it make sure the say well of the 2 People Company those different daleys pay the tax and that kind of thing and its not Just Department i mean the key thing that people have to understand that they came in by as korea as a result of this was the bankruptcy bill that he supported that was signed by george bush which was really done at the behest of Cricket Companies like in b. N. A. Which was as big a store owner hired as son i want to since it was actually more mines house at one point. And that piece of legislation made it more difficult or middle class families particularly to declare bankruptcy because of it and imposed a means test on who could file for us then type of bankruptcy and start you know things are gloss to go as well that was definitely i think with an eye on what would benefit banks and Credit Card Companies and elsewhere and you know we can see that an increase occurrence firas took 5 and seats and is now poised to play a really Important Role in his administration. Really chris careers really does the bidding of the Big Pharmaceutical Companies of delaware so that their stake context thing is really you know instilling not just wired in thought but maybe some of the policies that will be pursued an obvious e. M. P. And they deny any wrongdoing dupont denies any wrongdoing usually settles with no liability and always act appropriately but you go so far as to suggest that it was biden who personally told obama to water down the much criticized on the left let alone the right obamacare in a way that would benefit more Big Pharmaceutical Companies. Well barton i think has. Relationship with the idea of Health Care Reform in the ninetys ringback when when clinton began during his term to Health Care Reform as is during the 2nd healthcare for biden as one of the people there was a bit of a thorn and sorry i was even and documents produced by the Clinton Administration that was noted as a as an issue that biden taken lots of money from Health Insurance coverage sitting behind comments but telling a bomber comes along. That he runs on the public option of the much Health Insurance option i think its not an idea that bio was really enthusiastic about the arts neither was a bomber really and in the end of course they ended up dropping it. Because of Health Insurance other Health Care Industry opposition to it strangely biden is now running on the public option and its kind of unclear whether hes actually going through all or through on it he has hes hes obviously been on the primary saying im going to the public option in place since i was taking a lot of money from pharmaceuticals which of course this remains to be seen what exactly part of his health cables he will be once he gets into trouble as a child things you know obviously has said he was to get the one Big Pharmaceutical Companies he certainly did pay back arguably maybe not on purpose the weapons industry in the United States you say he he stacks the Senate ForeignRelations Committee with pro war voices before the iraq war but but you say in the book he backed reagan strikes on libya that killed scores of civilians the invasion of and the British Commonwealth island grenada the war on panama he even back money for death squads he backed of course the destruction of yugoslavia what sort of Foreign Policy can we expect from a man who actually on the record has said he wants to make putin pay for russias Foreign Policy during this campaign. In some ways i think we can expect a return to balme era pulse if you look at the people who are surrounding biden in terms of the phone policy advisors i think those are really the key. The key indicator of whats actually going to happen in his administration and a lot in a film about what people might think biden has shown some at least of late some great tendency towards not intervention the a powers for example the invasion of libya and. The assassinations of bin ladin for instance. Where saddam had been of course although he was also a firm proponent of obamas counterterrorism policy which was its a combined drone warfare with kind of special forces strikes you know which is still obviously very aggressive function of chaman as a someone who was skeptical cultivation d running on the going to use of our trying to get used to and out and saying im against the vietnam war by the eightys when reagan comes in he saw the turn to the right in the National Politics they said well you know we just we have to become more like reagan and so he decided system not just supporting reagans various military actions but as he said the ninetys hes for the morning and of course the iraq war when people say that bidens kind of been in the middle of a party generally i think the disagree i think hes always been on the conservative in the party however there is truth a fact that he has kind of fall d in the political winds quite a bit particular Foreign Policy so are you know it remains to be seen we may see a more noninterventionist President Biden if he wins even one whos more instant nons mentions than obama was but i would not stress or theres going to be that much difference between you and the fight in Foreign Policy ok well hes chosen come august who was making fiery not ations inviting about a sexual impropriety during the primaries. Whos become democratic candidate just tell me given that Julian Assange is the founder of wiki leaks is up the road here in belmarsh prison what is his view about leaking information in the public interest. The idea of a transparency and the and the very idea of the patriot act which you now have in the United States. You know unfortunately when it comes to leaking or it comes to really Civil Liberties in general there has been a longstanding bipartisan mist and deference hostility to all these things biden has been no exception now he supported some pretty draconian crackdowns and lekas in the 70s in the eightys i think you see in the book some say that he when he went by didnt want to go further than the cia did he took some stances that even the cia chief said well you know we dont want to go quite that far because under obama biden was pretty. As far as ive seen i dont see anything to conjure his reasons bordered by bombs war on whistleblowers. And and was very hostile it was true in signs from wiki leaks out expect thats of concern you i mean trump has really carried on obamas legacy of of aggressively taking also blows and i dont see why that might ministration do any difference the one thing that we could say is that obama ultimately shied away from really fully trust securing assad because i think he realized what that would mean for press freedoms in the United States and i expect why he would do the same however it will be years before theres a question of whether it should be prosecuted in the United States meantime a songes unfortunately i have to say going to be can change we be tortured in the u. K. As a legal system in the way he is now and asking a question on the patriot act this is also why he says has been shit on biden was a really key supporter all of them actually well thought of several provisions that ends up being in the picture to. Actually brag analogy thousands the people that you know i was the guy who wrote the patriot act and that site in the ninetys he wrote some legislation that was and still is was a slush is really really a trigger county and for example it limited heavy a school. Space sharply and some of something is also ninetys it was a recycled in the 2000 when sept 11th happened as part of the patriot act right to mock additional thank you well the last 2 decades of the us patriot act have arguably shown populations that none of the data is safe from predator Government Agencies so why do so many of us still share our deepest secrets through our mobile devices this is the subject of a new collection of works hash tag n. Y. C. By Award Winning your base photographer Jeff Mermelstein going on the ground empty handed to charlie cook caught up with him to discuss that hi jeff thanks so much coming on going on and on just by telling me about your new book my new book hashtag n. Y. C. Is the. Culmination of approximately 2 and a half years of work rendering. Images of peoples. Phone screens in which there are Text Messages i came upon. The the idea and the entity of the images on phone screens as being terribly interesting on many levels. Especially hes now a communication so much through often through this pandemic what do you learn about the way we communicate and sat by looking at so many different massive crosssection of people phone screens theres a lot to learn and theres a lot more to learn and ive learned a lot and i will learn a lot but some of the immediate thoughts. Would include a kind of interconnectedness the humanity of us people that i came upon texts from very many different times and very many different individuals that kind of had a similar. Point to it be it relationships or ending of relationships they need it where that comes to my mind is a further delight. In the current ness of energies and and and the construction of Text Messages as being reflective. Ideas and thoughts that we make to each other and its just a very in the moment thing and i dont know how long its going to last but that moment is still d there right now do you think is a point to be made about how much we shall because we know from people like Edward Snowden even the government can can access all Text Messages that exist on t. V. Set about how easy it is for all information id say to a very private lives to be out in the open i definitely agree when youre out in the public on the street. We are being observed and not only that out in the public on the street but even when were on our phones or talking to syria in our own homes we are being observed in some kind of technical way i think im sure youve been asked before about the ethics of the walk when you were beginning it this project how do you square the kind of potential idea that youre invading peoples privacy with with creating the images well it wasnt an easy. Ingredient d to engage with but as a street photographer for so long in a way now that theres a little bit of hindsight to the project. In ways theres a lot of relatedness to making pictures people of people you know of peoples faces and gestures and bodies from the front without asking permission prior so as as a street photographer or at least with the kind of street photography that i have that i have primarily partake in and so many of my colleagues as well there is the ingredient of voyeurism and. And that is either something that it a particular individual can embrace or not and i can embrace it in part because i believe of instinct of reasons natural inborn reasons and also because of intellectual curiosity photographic photographers curiosity an interest in finding out about us i got close and compositionally created a more or less a continuity especially as the project progressed is this something you would consider doing anywhere else or is it something specific to new york do you think is most interesting to the streets of new york and the populous of new york has been the thrust of my investigation for a long time and the same reasons that i have had that pursuit here i merrily not entirely would hold for this project there is a density a cosmopolitan mixture and a kind of. Inherent craziness if not neuroses that permeates the streets and people the streets of new york that is dissimilar from any other place in the world jeff thank you so much Deputy Editor charlie cook last week to Award Winning photographer Jeff Momo Stein and thats it for the show will be back on wednesday 5 years since then Vice President joe biden announced he would not be running for president in 2016 against fellow new liberal democrat Hillary Clinton whose political career would terminate with trump have to do if you d. N. C. Tricks against Bernie Sanders until then you can catch all our interviews on our you tube channel and join the underground by following us from Twitter Facebook instagram and sound. Next as us financial Survival Guide stacey lets learn a salad fill out lets say im the troika and your theories on greece have the fight well street spot thank you for being. On the story thats right if you looked at slavery. 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