Have seen any actual evidence from the ground that they have still is out about it and. That suits are present its a sad sets in. Peace but when parties to a conflict it seems there is about to be a truce theres a after that its a case of on the ground to a little bit of the way in to improve or better on 2 positions in your defensive positions it would be be seeing some of the literally tied to the fact they were going to be meetings is that even with have already been. Achieved and if they had some progress in the exits a patient there is a meeting and must go and where they may yield some breakthrough and moves toward true well lets keep our fingers crossed that basic conflict doesnt happen. And then you know. The sense for often is lets put it that way because its been going on on and off for almost 30 years and i know that back in the late 99 just land russia france and the United States got together to form the socalled minsk group we share were equal share. Their view was that you werent going to solve it fairly quickly what was fuelling that often is not that and why people are still dying in that war and that kind of off 20 to 20 years later though be good to explain that. Theres been a difficult its going. To pose to to be heard to resolve soon that in the middle east lucy united a user its those simply they present the chances but what we saw in the ninetys and whats been missing lately and i hope can be reestablished is a willingness to develop a relationship between the you so its. No to ninetys. As a basically president head or a leader you know. The president who hired me near the river could syrian and actually started developing the ruperts all relates it didnt mean the leaks were that good they were able to gain sort of tristen one another if you explore real compromise. Salukis it happened earlier with senator lugar through as a volunteer presumably suit but that ambassador i think thats actually where one of the problems because in one of your articles you mention that almost every it imaginable solution has been brought to the table that clearly if you know a way because one of the sides i mean it is that sat on preserving the status quo ad and the other side has every john finds it unacceptable what it be fair to say that this conflict perhaps has exhausted all the potential of being sold politically. So you do not believe. In him i would say. With the rest should the United States interests is good cheers is actually were better than many people give it credit for the dialogue inserted between the diplomats has been amazingly so even when relations between some of the parties a because typically russian the United States has been strained in other areas the cooperation here is the way to. Make it is clear to anybody that youre going to do what youve got been mechanism for whats what keeping negotiations going sure that flat and ink the conflict how not to convince because i mean that i think there is an almost and universal recognition that it was a savage on who started this war and there with a lot of. Preparatory means i mean they put a lot of effort into the preparation that she had to actually blame them for right initiating this military action after all those years of essentially fruitless negotiations. It is it is a meteor and it will always respect religion so it has. Been a great dinner making it even a secret out of that i mean they have not their own right at that territories recognized as there is on the International Law no ricky. The their position didnt end in the played and its taking place right now and maybe well that started in july there is kurdish 17 people died then and i think the tensions there are dated and after that so its been waiting crude incident along the line of conflict to reinitiate still he said after what id say it is possible and it were doing becomes. Were doesnt really fit in here is oprah hes a fault for hardening their positions in the leadership or media ended as your base on her follow through not turn it into their own people about the need for cooper months theres still lucian western political solution to this problem will never be achieved by being in posed but a pressure of the United States or anyone who comes in both our readers are both really sievers so there has to be a direct dialogue between them that seriously looks at compromise with a head that theyve approached beast you know that i happen to be exposed to what if turkish news in my household and its not always clear whether it is. Or accurately thats leading the charge i wonder how does terry case involving a change that contrary to what it is it still get anything out. 20 years ago or is it something qualitatively different. Its it says. The underlying problem has changed and it was qualitatively different today it is a dramatic difference is the level of armaments does this but both sides in the position. You raised when i had worked on this is 2002001 they were approaching a solution. It was a complete supporter of bringing about a peaceful resolution. Its theirs to lend or president here is changed dramatically and in the last few weeks to see a willingness to almost encourage for the repression and i dont think that is the way. Its the result it if you believe it and i really resident france have both said based on evidence of this new jersey facilitated with adversity or news into their version from syria little arubans russia has played a role there it is also problematic but i do think the potential to be to try to work a kind of bruce is there it was about 3 days ago statements by the or meet him Prime Minister neagle president the bowser be incurred but youre ready to debate serious neutral compromises it was a ruse and well see how messy you mentioned the russian role in ats selling weapons to both me and abidjan and ad want to stress that those at official stance that if it werent russia selling weapons perhaps it would have been the United States or china doing that so it was you know weapon sales within legal bounds but im. More interested about the role of turkey here because. When you were working on this issue 5000 years ago. All the official mediators by russia france the United States they have some leverage some influence on the szell warring parties that anyone have any leverage with jack at this point of time and specifically that president or the one. They sit their potential through leverage is there i did not see that exercised its did simply its clear we the United States is predator put pressure interviewed a number of areas where. American express and. The reserve released. You but its weve raised questions about our incentives to turn those surprisingly that is he said so are legal in the International Community teacher to russia so true. Just. So if we were going to jump should. Probably live groups to be sure but wed see the truth willing to get it you risk your situation you need syria libya you know were in a situation with her book as well theres very little ambassador you have to take a very short break right now but we will be back in just a few moments. 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Welcome back to well the park behind us theyre clearing capital for my porch carol they always seem instructed ambassador just to pick up where we left off before the break we were talking about their role of trick and i dont know if you with agree with this but i think president err the law has been quite successful in playing on that russian theyve got animosity over the last couple of years a deal that is developing relationship with both and using that as a bargaining chip and i wonder if. At least to some extent the conflict in that part of the part about hes acting on office there but john he almost didnt add to it as every chance you charge to have is actually a result of both russia and nato feeding his ambition and sort of triangulating that you challenge him also that you know that the impression i get is this is driven. His duties are depleted greater role is the number of regional areas. Here its true. International resistor but a suit its not plating will. Be internet so im not sure he gave his signature good reputation by the accidents you think of his reputation in the International Community after imprisoning like hundreds of thousands of he said if thats an International Community being old a mum. I dont wouldnt say its been well not to see their careers and. You know i think the International Community is going to be. Straight much harder than it as them i think so we will see that this is that there will be discussions in the u. S. Congress about they said theyve already started to back them give me contacts. On capitol hill i think theres that inspiration being made what steps congress to take action here i think weve seen the same religion him Prime Minister trudeau so is it people are responding to you mentioned some of the matters that the u. S. Congress and canada and others could take and i almost wish they were as far away as you present them to be i mean what can possibly all those actors do to impress was mr aired on it is difficult in dealing with the authoritarian regimes to get them to act it would be hager you know better do that does it serve to widely i think thats a problem here maybe to the United States persimmon trains working together uncover about who will help actually send a message to your field how unified the outside rule that is against these kinds of activities which threaten the global stability dinner to be that every 6 out. Sounding like a conspiracy theorist at the end they said opinion here in russia that its france and the United States that actually like to take care of the quote unquote arab ally problem by using russia and old. News about that all those savvy for its about turkey supposedly or allegedly reportedly sending. That rebels or d i have 5 x. As you know i separate. Could be interpreted as the United States sort of trying to. You know send russia secret that look you know heres a problem of terrorism in your backyard why dont you get involved and by doing that and in my both russia and turkey what do you think about this 8 year old would put new credence in spearss it all everything that it was seen in the good and im retired so im not in washington now but every signal that i know you have seen it is one who are concerned about this Development Just newsstands of dirty is an issue of how do you best tackle that and i think you would find who are they are you know this is a route together then this center to it says survey this. Is were talking about her but. This is a significant confluence all of her who people who are about less of lights here for refinance or. To have the Russian Federation the United States of america in the republic in france is there mediators this is no small feat these are 3 veto wielding permanent members of the Security Council theres a lot of International Incident to prove this conflict because we recognize the dangers of birds that we would take steps that could exacerbate that if put at risk and can i ask you something about me count it in to get about the russian position because. You once said that russia console this problem on its own and i think there is a full realisation of that in moscow moreover there is effect he get almost exaggeration at having to deal with it and always being under appreciated mistrusted at hughes of so. Being out the side it cetera as much as russia is unnerved by turkeys presence in the south caucasus dont you think that it could also be partially believe that this problem is no longer. Its exclusively because we dont do respect that in france and the United States may be part of the mens group but they had not really that their vital interest and not connected to solving this problem as much as russias interests are you know that is true it is that part of. This conflicts mediation i think that been in the earlier years just to ensure that relations between the United States and russia. And their attorneys were comfortable and looking to compromise knowing that both russia and the u. S. Were part of this so i was so that heard helps sadly the truth has changed and it is a tentative agreement. Also while youre on on all sides because of the party its intensity it and i truly hope president one will look at this different its ceasefire can be used on the basis of the discussions that are foreign minister lavrov who be leading i meant that i think that will do if were live recently to give him the rest of the United States and critics to head turkey back oakland is in hope has moved forward who are with you again brister was basement room but also scary movie 2 are getting back to. You mentioned from mr let us talk about his i mean and counterpart platform thats monday and well i believe its both i think do result of the discussion that took place in geneva or. Thursday it is led to agreement that the os are president for minister leaders well let me ask you specifically by their being in position because its their meeting and. Insistence on preserving the status quo that ultimately led to the current flare up while has this problem hasnt been told because i mean against metaphorically stuck to their guns do you think it makes sense strategic sense for them to come to the negotiating table now and perhaps changed that position because that is one of the main i mean without supporting it i mean the hands that were there but i have a janet has ever done if we have to recognize that that at this point of time the disputed territory still being recognised as the territory for example genesis there are many in school do not laugh at the status for it to be changed is it rejigger earlier in ridges this and there are already been a signal from the everybody in Prime Minister. Kirk in are be are prepared to look again is the head in the pants not recent as within the past its serious. I think to the communications on both circuits to their people their everything they were good at reason they were has never been real and so. The position of answer but its not to say well of course they are being used to loop her but should be comfortable being under as her bones or with the word really imagine that if youre living in sterling here today. Shows and missiles are raining down on the city its to be a meeting in the middle you know say weve seen the 1st group i mean you know theyre prepared to go back to that kind of dialogue in the. Middle homily or i havent been involved in discussions. While hes been president but his father was prepared to look at concessions and i think if they does rather is revered as a wrestler and i think he could realize he could look it. Really meant was or be any of that with his you know bring about peace and he could users strong leader he could have. Related to support that you know well he may be a strong leader but i think hes here to share a very tactical act its here or mr and both of them there have a need to save face and its a difficult to get Accurate Information about the situation on the ground that i think we can see that there is evidence the way out but surely is gaining ground is it really in the interest of or is abidjan to stop right now i mean that sort of military strategy it with that suggests that they would push as much as they can. Again as my surgeries possible and then hopefully come to the negotiating table while now that position is strong i think very much in 2016 for better or worse the 4 day war showed that azerbaijan good military seriously regaining some territory but very small amount of territory to bury us i think what we will see when a cease fire is a step was to move those settles that will happen as everybody will have daily the small amount which are very at a very significant human cost the death and destruction on all sides. My hope is hell realize to this can never be a solution to get all the things he has some new the level of destruction a little it will lose was a way it would be so it were nervous in the effect is it so important out certain forces would become involved in this conflict and im president who very clearly signaled that russia will it somewhat under its defense loser me i dont institute spec does not repair but but there is a line that you expressed your this leads that cemented in the serious do you know also senator this is the fading consider they would need to be looking at is it really is or really is also a member president. Even the president shouldnt or soon you do not want to come too close to that line now our ambassador i appreciate your dedication to this bill think that one of the add dangerous of. Extensive negotiations and trying to raise the conflict is that it goes on indefinitely and as you pointed out in one of your articles at frozen conflict is that a conflict of waiting to flat i mean its not the soft calls like that i think. One of the sides to this dispute has. Misusing it go shooting at a process that takes on advantage do you think it makes sense at this plant time to try to freeze this conflict once again for the sake of saving lives for the sake of waiting for a bad at opportune moment do you think. This should be solved right now or are there is still at evaluating the spawning dissolution and i think the nature of conflict that will be postponed a bit theres still sightings weeks of its almost impossible to bring parties to be haitian able mediately. To give fighting to sit down and have a reasonable discussion students about the counterman is that what he does you can start setting up some framework for women how you will do that but its a get the result you seek that wont be immediate so i think what will be immediate and i hope well see this as surely is the internet as a response to the humanitarian who is conflict is just in the last few weeks and i think that me and goal. Greater involvement by the United Nations is a specialized agencies to deal with both the displaced people from the fighting are. Going to have contact been separate so i think we may see greater involvement there it is greater attention even if it were for the good offices framework of the secretary general to hang late International Concern about this situation and International Support to result well ask to have to leave it there i really appreciate your time with us today and i apologize to our b. R. S. For the technical issues that they seem to be having if you had the all during their quoting i still hope that you have 5 this discussion valuable no i think it think its been good for your viewers it illuminates the challenges that are here in the hope that perhaps in a few weeks we could even talk. And think about how now that there is a cease fire will that exits be to try to. Discuss it probably the best racing like and unredeemable optimist but i hope youre here right anyway thank you very much for being with us today and thank you for watching culp this year again next week on worlds apart. Is your media a reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe from. Isolation for community. Are you going the right way or are you being that. Direct. What is true what is faith. In the world corrupted you need to descend. To join us in the depths. Or inmate in the shallowness. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics. Im sure ill see you then. As the u. S. Economy was booming growing numbers of people made homeless. You can work 40 hours in a week and still not have enough to get housing everybody believes america still is the land of opportunity the reality of it is that were not financially quantity and unlike Affordable Housing or living minimum wage give many people no choice you know theres been a problem with the city will always turn to make sure and told me stay away all this. Because yes that requires resources the most vulnerable are abandoned on the streets to become the invisible cliques. The fragile ceasefire takes effect between azerbaijan and armenia in the disputed. Region but both sides already accuse each other of violating the truce. Second u. S. 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