Hello and welcome to crossfire all things are considered computer with election day its important to ask how donald trump has changed the g. O. P. If at all is there such a thing as trump is do the political establishment elites understand why he was the elected in the 1st place just populism on the right future. To discuss this and more im joined by my guest ted harvey inventor hes chairman. Of the committee to defend the president and a Founding Member of the former stop hillary and sumter were joined by chris fance he is former chairman of the Washington StateRepublican Party after his departure from the g. O. P. He is now an active member of the never trump group earning job i originally crossed up and i think that means you can jump in anytime you want now its appreciate it ok lets go to ted in denver as i asked in my introduction as we is the election that is looming what impact has donald trump had on the g. O. P. Because i will put my cards on the table i think i see myself as a conservative i dont usually think of the president is being a conservative where does he go where does how does he fix it and fill in the mix of the g. O. P. Go ahead. Well as a conservative that goes all the way back to working in the Reagan White House i would definitely say that President Trump is a conservative probably the most prolife president and American History and Ronald Reagan obviously was the 1st leader of the Prolife Movement in america if you look at his efforts to try to secure our borders thats something that ive been fighting for for decades lowering taxes slashing regulations that is going to be the legacy of this president not to mention putting 3 Supreme Court justices that are constitutionalists on the Supreme Court and 300 constitution with non. Courts across the country i think he has the definition of a conservative president and he has a populist just like Ronald Reagan was a popular and he you ran as a populist i will give you that he ran as a populist ok but jim you know before i go to chris here but the chamber of commerce is into endorsee joe biden ok and shot no he said no but you do mention all the culture stuff ok thats not securing the border thats not your illegal orders and stopping illegal immigration is not a cultural thing its not the alpha and omega of being and served here ok let me go to chris because chris has left the g. O. P. What how has donald trump changed the g. O. P. Since youre not in it anymore go ahead chris let me go back to what the 10 said about the policies for going by president reagan to oust of him before and or did sure hes dangerous for life as was Ronald Reagan on trade wrong great and almost all postering were to republicans were adamantly pro free trade in favor of nafta in favor of things like the true Pacific Partnership in terms of protections gratian Ronald Reagan and george bush and george bush and john to keep supporting the past illegality for the 11000000 people. Were here legally. Roots and are now working and living in america trumps a nativist wants deport everyone and stop every form of immigration. See trump is a is america 1st isolationism is a radical departure from the crowd globalism of the Republican Party under white eisenhower and reagan and nixon and ford so yeah don trump has dramatically changed the Republican Party which is why millions of republicans like me have left it ok well i dont see the Republican Party really fighting the charge for donald trump here i mean when you look at Foreign Policy theyve turned against them almost every single way here and i give them a go back to ted here you know dick responding to what chris said most american president s the vast majority of american president s have been protection as thats how america built its industry now that is a fact so no saturday up until i somehow or it was a barry protection regime ok jerk you know youre a little bit of Historical Perspective here surely you should did from what we say you know you have to jet airplanes the nature trade sort of changed but youre youre right but the arc of american trade policy by republicans and democrats who got the worlds trade policy has been to lower tariffs as close as possible to free trade. And people like Peter Navarro have turned us completely other direction and the Republican Party is not there i disagree with you republicans have not a closed trunk and like people like i think they oppose they said that i dont see them going all out and supporting him thats a difference. They allow him to do the things hes done which is radically transform the republic and what what has what has the perfect guy you can not wrong great ted and what has he done hes renegotiated now and all of the republican and most of the democrat in congress supported in his renegotiation of nafta hes not against free trade needs for free trade he just wants it to be fair trade and thats why he green negotiated the agreement and thats why most of the republican from and that top of the democrats as well supported the now after the new trade agreement and so anybody has peacefully negotiated a sick mind of the regime and hes renegotiated the china agreements hes not against trade with china us were free trade with china fair trade with china and make sure that theyre not stealing our intellectual property i dont think Ronald Reagan i dont think mccain i dont think romney i dont think bush would have been for having other countries feeling our. Intellectual property and thats what the president bought or if your poor are allowing other countries that steal our intellectual property then run on that i guarantee you youre not going to get the support of the American People or the Republican Party to do that maybe thats why you left the party Chris Christie maybe theres an ample amount of evidence that most of the pundits got 2016 wrong and the reason why donald trump was unlucky because he didnt run on trade because people we see the hollowing out of america the shuttering of factories and im not saying china stole those jobs no it was the comptons of industry that did that ok theyre the ones that made the decision that they would make their money elsewhere and then we leave the working class and drive here is whats wrong with that kind of approach here because i dont like globalism because i dont think it hurts middle classes all across the western world but it makes some people that obviously rich whats wrong with pushing back against globalism as. I have defined go ahead currency because i reject the premise there is absolutely no data that shows that the for the trade agreements that we negotiated and reduced jobs in fact they increased even United States and yes. There are winners and losers and. Some blue collar manufacturing jobs are lost but overwhelmingly its been because of automation not because of factory relocation and all the other side of the state where our entire economy is based on trade our ability to sell our boeing airplanes and our Washington State apples and our wheat and the Microsoft Software and comes trade war has cratered get conny in many different ways and it is just completely contrary to what republicans believe should be taught about tariffs your Company Taxes on products that americans want to buy which leads other countries to put taxes on products that americans want to sell maybe maybe you can easier to america says it maybe things should be made in america where americans are paid decent wages for good work ok and thats your duty is really what did i do for you you know article its very hard you are its the whole libertarian argument ok and it doesnt work so why do the Republican Party will become extinct if the libertarians keep controlling it go ahead or or we could have lowering the terrible regulation that our strength. Wrangling. Productivity in the United States or we could lower taxes that have been set of i think the business thats believe the United States or we stop having these legacy expenses that the unions have put on manufacturers across the country and making them leave the United States or making them believe Washington State and going to South Carolina youre bragging about boeing but theyre having a huge. Portion of their Development Going out of the state because of the huge regulatory and union burdens that are upon them thats not just in seattle thats thats across the country thats why theyre leaving and President Trump is lowering all of those regulatory burdens and thats why you see manufacturing jobs come back United States in numbers that we havent seen for decades its not because these jobs have left and theyre never going to come back again because of automation its because of all of these terrible policies that republicans and democrats to pass for decades now theyre starting to come back because weve lowered regulation that weve lowered taxes and weve brought those industries back to the United States thats good for america why would anybody be opposed to those things i dont i dont get it ok goodman i dont want to talk about trade the whole program ok you guys make good points here ok but chris people are not going to vote for or against donald trump because of trade. For 3rd. Im sorry it was a question but my question is is it. That voters will not vote for or against donald trump on november 3rd based on trade policy would you agree or disagree with that last salute and you know this debt hopeless pivoting to what i think were here to talk about which is does the Republican Party have a future in a way that this discussion is a month too soon because the elections going to determine everything of course you know if you believe the polls and i do so ive been in politics my entire life right now donald trump is behind overwhelming i mean there are polls just before polls just to show and joe biden has double digit leads nationwide youre going to consider going to lose the senate theyre going to lose their seats in the house and if the election were today trump would suffer the biggest defeat since wrong reagan beat Walter Mondale when that happens the Republican Partys going to have a choice they can try attack back to the center and get into trump ism but i dont think theyll be able to do that because the base of the Republican Party has changed the people who make up the party has literally changed what i see as the future of this country is the democrats becoming a broad centrist governing coalition which should win majorities at all levels and actually govern this country in the way that the f. D. R. Democrats did so for so many dictates which are i think this you mentioned a word that i want to explore here with ted is there such a thing as trying to is and that was in my introduction is there such a thing. There it is called a party that believes in lower taxes a party that believes in less regulation the part of the elites and i dare say Ronald Reagan that means its out of border and ill break it to me is that rick you miss him that thats thats exactly right and then you look at all of the president s what its about everything that chris is talking about that the candidate i should say that christmas talking about and that would be john mccain that would be romney that would be bush the 2nd who ran out of bush the 1st who ran on rick. My lips no new taxes and then we raise taxes that is the party that chris is the spouse im up for im im espousing a party that actually believes in these promises and book builds these promises and gets elected in huge georgies across the country when when we do it at the local local level we do it at the legislative level where we we have we do it running for the white house those are the principles that cross across the whole spectrum of now mcgraths servant of democrats republicans on affiliated that think winning populist message that gets america back to work and like donald trump that makes America Great again but hes down in the polls and i would i would argue then you know trump trumps affection for wall street as it is a real problem for the republicans right gentlemen im going to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue what is our discussion on whether there is trump is a state or. 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Employees have to go this Critical Race Theory im i think it should be there it doesnt belong there but President Trump decided to ban it because he was watching Tucker Carlson is that help policy is made and id love to talk also dont get me wrong here but it to see ive seen this i watched that Program Monday through friday and i see this effect where the night before the morning after the night a policy comes out which i heard tonight im tucker what do you think about it well i did pretty unrestrained in my criticism of donald trump he is a buffoon with the Attention Span of a hamster and that is how he makes policy but the thing is dont allow people tell you that there is no such thing as trump is a because donald trump can articulate it but there is people like steve bad and and the whole crew over right art and steve miller and Peter Navarro and. All the folks who write for the National ConservativeNational Populous websites they have a very set ideology and it is not reagan is it is the dark side of conservatism there pete crusade is behind that to find out what hes going to fight a conservative is a it is a 1st because of its a version of conservatism which i. Courting lie professionalism reading over in the rain ocracy if youre being isolated inaccurate policy you know im ted i dont think you know look im waiting for the dark side if i can finish it is the same thing you saw with the no nothings in our party 950 with the america 1st lindbergh isolationist in the 1920 s. With the John Birch Society its based on 4 policies one an isolationist Foreign Policy 2nd nativists anti immigration policy 3rd a protectionist trade policy and 4th a everyone can have their cake and eat it too irresponsible lets triple the Debt Economic policy this is not what Dwight Eisenhower believed or Ronald Reagan but it is very much are happy cant believe and that is the direction the Republican Party is going in even though donald trump could never explain it because he is now the intellect to do it can go ahead reply im still listening for the dark things that hes talking about probably because if there is a cigar this president ran on securing our borders and making sure that its not were not being overrun by drug traffickers and human traffickers and that we invite people in that we want to have come in and i think every american across the country believes and that strategy and if you dont then that that calls into question. Your position is not the president s position i think that every american wants to have free trade and fair trade and thats what the president has done with renegotiating nafta i think that the American People support the policies of the president if youre looking at the poll i think that what the president accomplished in the 1st 3 years and giving us probably the greatest economy in your or my lifetime prior to the coronavirus coming the coronavirus has had a huge impact on the economy and the democrats have done a great job of capitalizing on that but i believe that the policies that this president has pursued have been the best policies of my lifetime that everything trump promised he would do but wasnt able to puff will i didnt support trump when he ran i didnt think he would fulfill the promise i supported ted cruz i was a delegate to the National Convention to support ted cruz having said that i thank god that donald trump got elected because i dont think ted cruz would have had the backbone to stand up to the media and stand up to the democrats and be able to build everything that his administration has done and im proud to be supporting president drop and im working my butt off to make sure he gets reelected in november. Just like so many other republicans hes going to be like a good lawyer let me you go over the cliff with donald trump is obviously pursued my policy but i want if the what if he would have if he would have been prochoice i wouldnt support him if he would have been for open borders i wouldnt support it if your have been for higher taxes i wouldnt supported a problem it is i believe in these values and the president actually did them im not going to do that and anybody that actually can have a debate about all right good i wanted that but. The books this program is was the future of the Republican Party supporter completely room. Republicans are headed to or overwhelming defeat millions of americans and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Republican Leaders like myself have left the party because they didnt ask you a question he said dropping the party ok thats what i want to get at is it is it is about his policies or is it about him oh. Its enough both and im active in most of the major never trunk organizations you talk you talk about you find a lot of people who are there because trump himself is just narcissistic idiot who cant govern the country is dangerous not loyal to the constitution of the rule of law but a lot of others are there also because they were reaganites they were bush supporters and are horrified direction that shes taking the party. Its not just this election. Republicans have lost the College Educated white suburban voters particularly women probably for a generation and there are enough angry white evangelical protestant men to make up for that this move towards is a white populism has made the Republican Party stronger in some places but others which is what matters in american politics there and thats going to continue you know tent one of my criticisms of President Trump during this pandemic is that i really wish he would have used the bully pulpit a lot more because i think he could have easily outflanked the democrats in the house of representatives and they actually maybe might have even outflank biden because biden doesnt say very much ok but i think that he could have been very very forceful after the very richest people in the world were bailed out and then main street in the working class was left high and dry and dont bring that up the example of that one check ok i think that that would have been it would not only would have been the right they need to do but i think it would have been a winning political strategy as well what happened there because we know that he said i will do it after the election well thats just passing the buck when there are 4050000000 people in crisis in the middle of the country go ahead release guy get nancy pelosi to sign on to whatever comes out of house of representatives thats got to come through the house 1st that they i dont want it but i think they he wasnt active in pushing it he seemed to be standing aside and you know but Mitch Mcconnell if you take care of it know it i think that was a huge mistake on his part because this was a moment his f. D. R. Moment that he let slip through his fingers and i think that if i think a lot of people what it said look hes the criticism that chris gave is fine i dont care i can i only care about policy i dont care. That tweets any of that does really superb it was to me but you know being the savior of the middle and working classes i think that would have been a game changer and he lit he missed it and dont blame him palosi thats what the presidency is of all about the bully pulpit and he could have said to the republicans get behind me or im going to steamroll you you never said that go ahead i would agree i think that were getting that criticism i think you should have been saying that from day one that nancy pelosi is the obstructionist in this situation im fighting for you and im going to continue to fight for you and for the last 2 wants and kinch every day say that nancy pelosi is the reason why were not getting this through she wants to bail out the failed cities of. These democrat run cities across the country who have overextended themselves whether its on pensions or or other things that theyve spent money on and now they want to bail out and use the coronavirus that the excuse to bail them out i dont want to be bailing out seattle again im bending the yeah im not going saying im the president should the president should have been doing that its a legitimate criticism. Ok chris. Since youre a former republican if you could give the other side some advice what would you give to the g. O. P. How to win because i essentially agree with you the way things are going the Republican Party is going to be deep deep in the woods for a very long time and i dont think thats a good idea because personally i think on november 3rd if by wins were going to have voter remorse and very very quickly ok because people that the media has done it on a personality which is quirky and im being generous and best go ahead whats the advice to the g. O. P. Chris. Ive been doing campaigns for over 30 years of his state Party Chairman have been an elected official the Republican Party needed a long time ago to dump truck and business associate themselves from this person and reestablish themselves as a party of fiscal conservatism was a social conscience back to the moderate centrist policies of reagan and bush and the sooner they do that the better if they dont they have no chance of ever any back again the moderate College Educated white suburban voters particularly women and republicans have a historic problem with nonwhite voters which is a growing percentage of United States but thats not the crisis that the crisis to them is it lost people like me College Educated white suburban professionals and without that they cant possibly put together a Winning Coalition so after trunk loses they need to have a very difficult conversation and move back deemphasize to social issues get back amnesty for the Illegal Immigrants who are here and there will be American Mountain americans want it back to free trade and yes their hard core base will be furious good the best thing that they have to the Republican Party is for it to split left to draw supporters go create like a Constitutional Party or something. Is it the jew in american politics youve got to be in the center and theyve noticed i mean with all due respect exactly the way beyond a day hang on with all due respect chris that means youre looking forward to one party rule for a generation yeah i think its inevitable i think its inevitable is that good dont. Want to look at what the children are cells and i want to stick it to the g. O. P. Because im a conservative but im not a member of the Republican Party ted when hes going to get rid of all these libertarians ok is that his culinary did chile know oh theyre still there ok theyre ok im so tired of deregulation ok and a tax cut im tired of hearing that its not a winning message you have to go where people live where their problems are these are not solving it 30 seconds my friend ted go ok all right the same policies that chris is the spouse and his wife romney is not president why mccains not president and why when he was a state chair of Washington State the democrats hold Everything Else statewide office that when he was chairman of a group that is now that is why it is just now it really will not win and conservative policies do win thats what the Broad Spectrum of the American People that i think how not gentlemen we have run out of time i want to thank ted and chris for joining me here on crossfire i dont think our viewers are watching as youre not you see you next time and remember across. 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