Going to say no i do think she is just what they are although this program spackling our elected that they didnt go back and so i wasnt invited to comment and so id say that you know if your agenda is nearing an expert and their insights if their opinion and even that my opinion didnt seem to fit with the line then i was dumped and consequently you know there was a bias that. I read and you did me come across as censorship or even a critic that a flashing of propaganda but it also strikes me as a is a very routine and it very common way of pretty decent Television News not only in russian but i think pretty much everywhere how common this dream interviewing of this sort at in the industry is in the industry and if youre asking do t. V. Stations in the west do they have a line. They interested in people with a period and then thats absolutely true. And the obvious example of this is fox news which absolutely has an agenda and its biased but you know im an old school journalist in so much this supposed to be about objective it see and you reach out people who know what theyre talking about and if they dont agree with you and you know the least you can do is debate and the prescreening of and says in my mind its not its not on i mean in so much is if you want to discuss a tricky issue like this and it is a valid question so i asked if she is and id say. You are someone like me and im going to say no you can put somebody else on whos going to say yes and then you put its bait that they would have to make up their own much more well lets start in belarus where i look at this tendency of thinking whether its a millionaire or kisses most of it at this point i find it ironic that both the russian and the west commentators sought to present it as sad as is my dumb moment with all the theories and host a bad hashtag but youve been arguing that that being answered alrosa arent nothing like weve seen before what can make them stand out for you. Its in many ways a unique revolution the tendency to think its in my down because again as the people on the street mass demonstrations it looks very similar superficially is obvious and the western coverage International Coverage i mean obviously the edits is going to reach for those kinds of parallels because the amount of Information Knowledge that you can assume in your readers is actually quite limited its again when covering the sneer of it at night that well its not on the news every day and so the view is in the u. K. Or the us would recognise this oh its another Color Revolution in europe the masses of people on the street and so theres a natural tendency to frame the story in terms that your readers recognise but when. We trying to be in is to the more human story and surveillance of it and again the informed as watching this its very difference or have that one of the big chains one the biggest difference is ukraine is a very divided country between the rest of us in the east and the nationalists in the west and in russia it seems to be a universal across the society as well i mean from the middle since actually is immense through to the people that were in the factories of university reject. Shank and the peacefulness of the process the purchases the organizers to come off schuyler and several made it absolutely clear they want to have a peaceful process and also the lack of geopolitics if you remember john mccain the u. S. Senate was on my done making speeches about freedom we are with the people which was to say that we reject the democrats elected president on a cove a show that everyone hates him and he was a terrible president. And appeal to the crowds there where is the protest is in better russia have made it clear that this is not you this fight while i dream of you that probably have grass roots promise in our largely void of geopolitics im not sure they can. They really come across this way and they can stay this way because that clearly a lot of adjure is quite trying to use those products to advise their to political interests are better off because the problem is better usher is getting dragged in slowly to the chip lets stand off between russia and the west i mean ticking off fast just being in brussels you just met with my crohns shes just about to meet with merkel and my problem is you know they they have agendas too that they have problems with russia but you know we should highlight methyl was come in saying i think just this morning and she was saying that we stand with this other parents with the people and at the same time we believe because knowledge. Just present the president but at the same time we do know want to get involved as you know block in this. First english language address to the e. U. Said we want you know sort it out see it please respect the sovereignty of the russia in other words this is a fight between the people and there is and then this is a tricky question because when i have when you recognize be it tainted nature or even try to project land nature of the boat. You know when you question the legitimacy of the incumbent Election Commission guess its one thing but when you all annoying to see certain status and legitimacy to his competitor without actually having an accurate tally of the vote is Something Else entirely and this is a disputed question i mean and you probably saw i had a long argument and so its it was one of the its exactly this point. Say the beginning that we dont know what the actual result is however there is some evidence in so much as there were 20 rebel owning stations set released what they claim is the real results and those shows that. Won by an overwhelming majority. Who did that would be a that would serve as a proof that the day they did vote or their actions were a free and fair but you cant take that as a measure or as a pro of you know another person and as it is my my problem with that is that at its core its ultimately substituting internal election german legitimacy with. An outside recognition and it is at its core tell to me deciding for the people thats exactly what the question is doing here is deciding for the people isnt the e. U. With as much criticism of him as it provides isnt actually doing the same just siding for the belorussian people that the issue here is to what extent are we comforted that he lost he claims he won 8. Percent of the official result was 81 has not behaved as opposed to 180 percent of the see no gration the rebel polling stations we have numbers and those numbers in order those stations so a landslide they say and also there was this just a study on that based on the official results also says 70 percent and finally when the progovernment demonstrations have been organized no one sends up if he just met me and really. Cant be the name of the recent tracking to the question of why the look of shock is legitimate im not im not having that argument i think there are lots of additives that these these elections werent free and fair and that hes legitimacy as a leader is that very very questionable my question is if a friend again should meet a c. M. That he had lost at that is a legitimate representative of the belarusian people that she had this status unique or shape lets say aid package as she did on behalf of the belorussian people and the reason im asking these is not because im trying to put you know a look of shock and the e. U. On the sax a moral footing because the means that it is it used to procedure and and in this particular example it is not it is made to be serving assumptions that the problem is just mysie as president you know they live in as i say it going up as an egg is that the sensor Lesson Committee its all of that so theres no possibility of a recount and theres no possibility to check which means there has to be another election if we question that this is this is something that the e. U. May well cross for but its not doing that it is saying that we recognize directly or indirectly by accepting that you had lost at that behinds level in brussels that she is the leader and that is your reading into it that the only people who actually recognized. What they said and they feel its in his calf and about. This they have not recognized the scent as the jets missy but only the latvians have said that shes actually present and then they dont hear is that i mean they can be and we can become very legalistic here and both look at shankar and the russian government has a long tradition of being legalistic that if you accept somebody of the highest level and enough guy has been accepted by it but it hasnt all european institutions hes negotiating a package for democrats want to get out of this thing that annoys her with the status even without you know putting it formal press release out i mean its also about symbols is it not yeah but you know i mean negotiating is a loaded term i mean shes gone suppressors and shes talking to them by except to ask who exactly as who and that i mean as the a member of the coordination house which is a self appointed buddy in order to negotiate but you know in that sense we see she normally won the elections or at least the likes of falsified im not sure but then they set up as a party to have a negotiation and then its looking about a Transitional Government and a new election so this is being the position. And in that as the semi official head of the Opposition Movement is why shes being received in brussels but i wouldnt say shes negotiating in so much as theres no lethal force to any of these scuffs its having to listen to these cow autocrats and be it imposing champions of democracy abroad altima to play into each others hands because they provide for these and national and all geopolitics and grassroots democratic initiatives because look at how he can now go and say yes see they recognize her without even counting their ballots and you know that and they days out to get me you will be 1st on the ultimately reinforcing each of the narratives and. You know making so much difficult so much more difficult will all actors from grassroots movements you prat. For Democratic Change without being accused or without being branded as a for an act here greed like i said in the beginning of this comment you know its getting dragged into this chip political game and at the same time sick enough. Said in her comments that she has been a bit more. In so much that she thinks more pressure needs to be put on and so she is acting more president ial by taking that like shes made that decision on their own and shes shes not like its anything at this point. But she she remains the face and europe remains convinced that not only were the elections totally legitimate she probably won the gold down the line everybody is saying that no ones going to make a president. There has to be new elections and with those been ballots there has to be because you need a definitive number on how many votes you want and thats simply not available and we have to take a very short break now we will be back in just a few moments stating. That there are viable. They say yes im all going to start. Reading all these are. You going to get it. Back to. No good is a repatriation scheme where we get there after 7 years. Delegate separate our guys are part. As the u. S. 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In telling us up when i want to tragic on and other news bombs hit us on in september and im talking about the elijah poisoning or where a russian opposition politician alex and involve me we not only triggered all the mail year and narratives in both russia and the west but i think it actually may seriously undermine out war changed the post cold war relationship between russia and germany there is now a real prospect of. A hold in the construction of the north stream pipeline ad if that happens if that comes to pass i am absolutely sure that the russian or russian german relationship will qualitatively change now that you are a long time russia watcher when you are presented with the news like that its so many complications and underground currents how do you how do you go about making sense. Well be any we tend to focus on the business the economics and its a nice frame of reference because you know its like the follow the money thing if you say the issue of the north stream theres a lot of lets say and people said repeatedly that the u. S. Is looking you know now theyre producing gas in excess and they want to export their energy clearly the commercial aspects of this story play in this story and the issue with no stream is. Basically that it cuts ukraine out of the transit routes from russia and western europe feel like russias been bullying ukraine but if you look at the economics i mean that talking about Energy Security however. In the seventys eightys russia was responsible for 70 or 0. 80 europes gas thats foreign in the meantime to about 3540 percent so europe is already diversified away from russian gas and that having this new i plan the most strained suit that russia will to live in exactly the same amount of gas as its now so theres no increase in dependency on russia the problem is the n. A. C. Security issue because when they went through the pipeline to ukraine because of the terrible relationships between russia and ukraine and because of ukraine being effectively bankrupt it couldnt pay its gas and gas from turned off in 2006 and people are taking this as a Political Action whereas it was actually an economic one and for germany the reason why theyre keen on this pipeline is actually increases their Energy Security because it goes directly from what it is it is a clean clear that they are so keen on these pipelines anymore because in market herself as there are quite ambivalent if theres evidence that there is such a hash sure going to be. Allowed to poisoning or somebody like the bali and the set huge implications huge an economic terms. What does it tell you that was dramatic i mean medical suggested she didnt say explicitly sees just it. That no strain to pipeline may not be complete because of not only was asked to the kremlin you know to be accountable of the self accounts its what actually happened which is news and i see said i mean this whole affair open about his poisoning good mom. Dramatic change in attitudes because matt the man who doesnt have a very good were a working relationship i mean they both have to deal with the geopolitics but all such i mean as a major investor russia has literally 10 times more Companies Working in russia than any other european has more than all the others put together. And if that relationship changes it is. Now were going to do it here as an e. U. Entity rather than german russian and say thats amazed change and thats a major blow to russia i think they not only wheezing stories a very particular kind of story because it falls into a very special category for me that characterized by 2 features why that is extreme visibility everybody has heard about it and the 2nd one is very little no ability there are very very few established facts and the most Critical Data this case now all these test results im being held by germany the test results and the formula of the allowed to poison them being held by germany even though one would think that one of the most revealing things would be to compare the test results that not only had in russia and windows test results and when that were produced when he was just not entirely true one of them i didnt want to possibly hold germany back i checked into this that the issue here is now which is actually a military. Nerve agent chemical when the response of authority is. The international and as i said chemical weapons and that what happens is its not its not only becomes a by last way shoot everything has to go through the p. C. And that germany has submitted that information and lesser is a member of that organization and is entitle to access the data through the o. P. C. W. So as far as the protocol is consent germany and russia have nothing to do with this now but only c w as are very controversial are going to say sure because immediately you know what getting both here is the. Call squeeze anything and the old be a legend das stories of using chemical weapons in syria and that you know better than i do that then number of western scientists who work to be able to see w. And who are on brackets could die means on record complaining about the pressure put on them by western security agencies to provide good results favorable to that conclusion so you dont trust based on the overriding you dont fret trust the russian process how inclined he tries the p. C. W. Protest and even be hes terrio that are going to say shit and then roll it has been playing these geopolitical games between russia and the west i grant you that if you see somebody is going to spot it history and has had problems in the past and that undermines its just missin is the 3rd. Nevertheless everyone signed up to this chemical weapons treaty its the one thats in force and is the one that has to be for that and its a good situation and then you can ask questions as to you know whether theyre playing again super scoopers. Im havent done enough of putting on its suit school that you know im aware of the reports that its actually full and that in the past and that raises a question i have now which it isnt at you literalistic a position for germany to take in duty if you are so concerned about human rights about the yeah you know you be use of chemical weapons out on the character of europe about their russias track record of dealing with opposition figures its ok about germany i mean germanys nothing but bureaucratic i mean theyre. Very elastic and theyre doing this by the book which is released its the o. P. C. 72 and then the protocol say that has to be checked independently by 2 other people which was france and sweden. They present know each other thats me i would agree i say why not share the dates directly with russia because it would be just a right not just something thats going to investigation i mean you can have russian and german investigators on both sides. Yes and that would mean you must be kind of the red tape and increase the transparency of the time i see a 100 percent with you on that i think because we want to mitigate this like you said this i mean the consequences of this could be significant and of thanks very much to him in russian relations so you dont want that nobody wants that and by sticking to the parts of the book you know i see increased tensions and it is to my mind not really clear why they are sharing it but nevertheless the protocols are very clear in the o. P. C. To germanys doing exactly what its supposed ok lets move to free syria have all be of the monk that i want to ask you about and its the only thing they renewed war between and i was there but john and i mean and i am absolutely and taken aback by by the coverage of what is going on because. I think this whole conflict shows the degree task nature off in 4 wars because i dont know if youve seen the other day but that leave went on television accusing. The Prime Minister i mean you know being a puppet the sorest pushing out that he was the leave all being a dictator as if any of that matters that he in the in the case of the territorial conflict that didnt show that. You know were all so taken aback by this narrative of you know Democracy Forces that talk receive sattar at that even when they have nothing to general parties immediately employ dance here or you know get somebody on their side and name calling between as it goes on and i mean yeah i mean its been going on for decades the whole oh im going to kind of back issue has been rankling since the fall of the soviet union and the propaganda. President s in both countries have been using it as a Political Tool to rally National Feelings and ensuring elections and what have you and its been festering we i was in i suppose on so insists the Russian Agency and they were complaining that be any we have the news of armenia next as about john and could we not move it to the magazine that was saying its boarded. This is insane but it just highlights me you know how the embassy the scene thats so when this fighting begins its natural that they start pulling each other name its got very emotional very suddenly both calling each other when it means but using familiar themes to you or attract support today is sad and one of the one of the other things that struck me is how little coverage there is both in russia and in europe about true keys role in all of that because undoubtedly both brussels and the girl in moscow extremely concerned about the role turkey is playing a essentially acting. As ever john on that not making any secret of that 2nd single came up pretty quickly. And it worries everybody because turkey here has the rhetoric has changed that so hes always been a supporter as a potion and. Has and so he supports it in principle but not at a gun has come out hes basically saying theyre going to put supports admits a wrist. And then that raises also support him so hes a member of nato of course. And i mean use member of the lex Security Organization with russia so theres a possible scenario where the techs and the russians so just tough fighting and like to get out of 5. So i mean these things have been floated none of that is actually very like this is what you think thats not likely but there are a bad day armenia officially a case turkey at all 5 shutting down its plane over its own territory now nobody took it seriously and that everybody is sort of treating it as a fait without admitting to it that none of the sides has also released and that none of the radar data that they are in possession i mean. I dont really sure that that Something Like this like a serious peeping out from a guy gassed in russias last military alliance is really on the cards biggest you need seems like all the all the parties are trying to pull the warring parties out trying to draw as much support in as they can i mean i think the end of this is definitely going to be to politico i mean on the thing with the collective security at night so that its again its a protect you from attack of turkish territory not military. Soldiers are killed in the womb new or anywhere else outside ticky and its a fight to doesnt get traded so you know thats why those consensus less likely but as you say everybody is reaching for that you have political pumice as a president secy and i mean its a russia and i think the resolution of this is this going to be a gnostic would its going to go on for maybe months as john in an already rejects its old but must because of its media because the fighting is too early on that people are now battling to see what territory they can get and i think when the fighting settles down and the lines are drawn and people realize that theyre not going to move forward or backwards then theyre going to send to the other players but he has serious interests in the region so does russia is actually. Friends with both john and i mean. They want to see a resolution to this but then theres a lot of. Political capital to be in the negotiation that flows between russia and even the other well i bet its been a fascinating talking to you we have running out of time so i have to put an end to it now but thank you very much for sharing your thoughts. And thank you walt what she has hope to syria again next week on the walls of part. Of. The post so he draws in conflict no news no go to the court of law is no very hot we tell you what you need to know and its america in 2020 acting on similar events. Bolshevik revolution and 907. Always be polite never engage with a negative a good or confrontational. Dont get into any conversation or start answering questions just ask for an attorney. To survive tear edition. Definitely dont want to be going to trial in the jumpsuit one cup. Youre more likely to walk free if youre rich and guilty or if youre poor and. Youve got 2 eyes 2 ears and one mouth. So you should be seen in here and a whole lot more in your sand if you do. 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