Candidate lost me neither one a perfect reflection of the nations politics with the campaign coming to an end do the debates have any meaningful impact is there such a thing as an undecided voter. Theres guys this and more im joined by my guest leon jones in Panama City Beach she is an attorney and a former state director for Bernie Sanders and 2016 and in dallas we cross to george c. He is a businessman conservative political leader as well as a former Senior Advisor to marco rubios 2016 president ial campaign or across up rules in effect that means you can pick up any time you want and how its appreciated always go to george in dallas that as i said in my introduction you know one could argue maybe you want to agree with me one can argue that it was a dead heat neither side won either candidate won or lost in that debate but for very Different Reasons here i want to focus on this program the impacts of this debate and as it may impact the final results on november 3rd so obviously youre a supporter of donald trump how did he do in this debate. Well ive i agree that this was a hard one to analyze i think if you look at the kennedy next debate which is outcome determinative and the rain in cardiff bay which is outcome determinative i dont think this ones going to do that i think it was so canny and so unprecedented in what i would say a negative stance even got the former vice pres in the United States calling the president a clown and race. Dog whistle blower and then youve got the president just being a bully the whole time and interrupting all its time and it was not a gentlemanly debate it was not a reasoned debate and im not sure whos going to change their minds if theres 5 to 15 percent of the electorate in the middle that might be willing to change their minds if they change their minds for Vice President biden i think theyre going to be even president strength in a negative sense and that its its overwhelming and its intimidating and its somewhat frightening and if they change their minds president trying i think its going to be because the vice former Vice President Stephen Moore and fumbles around sometimes and they want somebody strong and clearly in control of his faculties in the president in the oval office again but it depends on how they perceive mans behavior and it was very stirring and it was hard to watch even though it was like watching a train wreck replaying crash thats an understatement it was hard to watch i mean i obviously because i live in so many different time zones away. I saw the reporting of it and i had to stop many many times to get through it many times it was done i mean it that was all star wrestling ok in bad form ok in my opinion go ahead. It was cringe worthy it was truly truly cringe worthy and it was embarrassing as an american it was embarrassing i dont care which side of the aisle youre on i had hoped as a democrat that biden would have come in prepared this is not unusual for donald trump to interrupt its not unusual for him to go off topic and so i had hoped that President Biden would have been prepared for that and simply stuck to the important part that the american wants to hear the policy issues yet he still got pulled down ensued outruns mud pit and the name calling and even even saying should bother me try to speak in front of childrens classes all the time and if you accidentally say set up an Elementary School class has they will tell you shut up is a bad word so we can even have our children watch this debate to get a good example of what american politics is supposed to be abaft and honestly i would have to say that both sides were losers and this one i dont think anyone would have swayed either side the only people who may have been sway are people whos there listen i dont want to vote im not a normal voter but im just now because i think im going to court the election if im going to get involved and i think that they were convinced to stay on the sidelines yet again i think that that is probably the most important observation that ive heard from anyone looking at these debates its not the partisans its the people it is it worthwhile and i think youre spot on on that point there but you know george lets lets kind of go break it down a bit here i mean one of the things i took away the weekend we can talk about p. P. I. Trips i dont think it really adds to our conversation here but i mean one thing to trump you know when when when the moderator chris was asked you know about packing the court i mean that was unbiased part that was an obvious obvious deflection he wouldnt answer hes been asked for any during the debate he wouldnt ask and trump was absolutely right because binds terrifying to the left his the progressive he said eric. 5 of them ok he needs to get across the line with them now and the issue of courts are very very important for very strong conservatives and for progressives here and i thought that that was a real weak point because i would like to think that the 3 of us are far more interested in policy then the the the personalities that that media love because they get ratings but i mean you know on the policy issue you know biden deflected very very often go ahead. Well they both did actually its an interesting election because typically in the primaries the candidates tack too far the right or far left of name which are here in and then in the in the in the general election they move into the center try to appeal to independents and moderates and people who dont track politics all the time and last night they did both of them did exactly the opposite by the former Vice President. Basically refused to say he went back to court and then he also did a lot of the law and order baiting that trump you know pushing any but the president also when he was asked what is really to condemn White Supremacy groups and far right militia type actors he said i could never who ever you want but then he didnt express leitz do that so he dodged that when do i was stunned by bo i understand what theyre trying to do but i think this is appealing to that 10 to 15 percent of both parties that are highly partisan way off in the in the rust so to speak and not the fair way of american policy views i dont think its good for the country and i dont think its back to be here. Really dont you think you think it moves the needle when it comes to november i mean it has to be a very and my introduction is that are there any undecided voters out there i think you know considering not is because im highly critical of by and his campaign for its lack of substance here and in their campaign is actually very effective because theyre focusing it all on trump but in my disk when you become president i really would like to know what he stands for we really joked ok so what about the undecided oh hey. So you know i think this election does a lot to say that we dont know what biden is for weve seen him in the white house for 8 years weve seen him in congress for so many years you know what biden is for he is for expanding health care he is for ensuring that theres Public Safety on the streets i think that it is clear i dont think he has to reestablish his record at this point we know who he is and hes trying to tie himself with president obama bethink for the undecideds again i think its going to be this push to actually get out there President Trump made the most important statement in the opening last night he said elections have consequences nicoles boy they do well when he said theyre related to the courts you know i was a quarter of Bernie Sanders in the 2016 election and it was really hard after the primary to convince the bernie supporters who are who are kind of it i want them as undecided they were angry decided right and they were voting against the establishment of the Democratic Party i think that this last night i spoke to them spoke to them to see what we did in 2016 by being so angry at Hillary Clinton we simply cant afford it now because elections have consequences and the courts right now its one of the biggest consequences that i think its finally starting to make sense to people who didnt realize how important it is to look at you know george like one of the things ive been very critical of the of the trunk and ministration and its campaign during this medical help crisis year and the deep recession that so many people are feeling is that the truth and ministration could have very easily gone to the left of joe biden but they refused to do it where is congress where are they right now theyre not at work ok and theres a lot millions tens of millions of people suffering donald trump you know baby executive order on the floor like you know i gave 2 days before the debate you know 30 so. Days before the election and it was a really lame attempt to say this is what health care is i mean again from a policy point of view i think both parties have failed the middle class miserably in dealing with the pen demick in dealing with the economic turndown and this was a golden opportunity for trump but he still surrounds himself with all the wrong people from wall street these libertarians that make us such a small part of the party its a missed opportunity and i see signs with both conventions where the middle class they were largely absent it was for special interests i dont react to that george yeah i disagree with that i think theyre at public and convention highlighted africanamericans and hispanic americans and recent immigrants and lots of people that dont look wall street or the far right libertarian type fringe i thought it was actually very well choreographed i would compliment Chris Wallace hes been having with a ring fire for his role in the last lateral one thing he didnt attack the president on health care because the president and his team dont have a Health Care Plan and that was really expected i would also come back the elections have consequences come at the lead onset i totally agree with that and im i i would say that in 2016 that the republicans control the senate and they have the ability to not take marriage borrowing on consent because they control the senate and this time around the president won the election in 26 the and hes got the rights of nominating a justice and the senates got the right to hear testimony and vote on thats the way they dont lections work and its the way it is and if democrats want that ability they need to win this election and they need to win back the senate its a simple that i would make one mother other comment its a sad point in our American Life that any point there is probably you know when. Appointments and spring course just as 551495048 as if she had been a nominee when rick Bader Ginsburg was was nominated or when Sandra Day Oconnor was nominated shed be and night by. Fireworks 1000 shes just exceptional shes all american shes exceptional and you can disagree with her on on on the war her judicial temperament the way she handles or recording but shes brilliant and shes very restful and she well any every person if we look at the if its advice and consent the question is she a good jurist its not her politics but thats what weve gotten to and thats what weve got a place where we are because we look to the courts to decide things when it was congress and congress there are a collective group of cowards who just throw it up to the court throw it up the part they dont want to kick in are you like thats whats happening here all right. But i want to push back a little bit and been actually kind of agreeing with you is that you know with the convention i think both conventions missed the class issue both and i and i criticize republicans they played i get it terry paul identity politics and you may disagree with me but i find that to be a dead end because classic is a very important issue and i guess you dont hear very Community Conservatives like me talk about class very much go ahead before we go to the break i agree 100 percent you know simply having i did politics have minorities actually convention does not mean youre talking about class there are a lot of middle and lower class white americans that he should be looking to 750. 00 as the federal income tax that our president pays when people who are on welfare who are in full welfare can pay more than that in federal taxes in a year says a lot you know it was funny you know i think about this as history repeats itself during the revolutionary war and making up america that order to split poor whites and africanamericans who were here whether they were free or enslaved the rich white landowning americans made the poor whites feel like they were right they got like i hold that we have to go to heartbreak after heartbreak well continue our discussion on the 1st president ial debate same. Backs or head. Up for the feel good but so. Far good. Of it is that people. Just sit in the commission as. Much as we move. The 10 minutes to finish it oh my gosh. They are the house from. God since we. Need. To mean dont hate. The scan or new. Video coming from a system definition in. An innocent in the names of. Welcome back to crossfire were all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing the 1st president ial debate. Ok lets go back to iraq but i know you were making a point forward to the break please go right ahead so the point is that its been the foundation of American History that we separate the poor from the rich right and the way they do that is that the rich make the poor not focus on the real issues at the convention they do not focus on the real issues how much are you paying your tax dollars how much is your Health Care Cost how much money are you getting back as a worker things stay the same where the middle way the federal minimum wage is still low these are issues that they did not focus on at either convention i agree with you wholeheartedly and they missed the boat and theyre missing a lot of americans and in their money in the wires by having these this infighting like we saw in the debate last night that dez not ever not a single question truly a jurist what the middle class needs to hear coming out of the pandemic of asa works you know george i mean if you look at polls and its bipartisan you know its either the 12. 00 or 3 issue is health care but both parties they want it they want to train they want to. Go on the margins of changing this adding this difficult theres no real im sorry but there is no serious conversation about health care done is absolutely right you know why progressive friends on the program here is that if there was a time to think about health care it is now and its not being fought about theres so theres so many nos qualifications i really think there has to be a major rethink and as everyone likes to say reimagine it ok because this is the time to do it go ahead joe. Im going to come back to health care i want to address your middle class and lower middle class comments i disagree with you both on that i think trump won last time around because the anglo middle class lower middle class and or a voter in the midwest thought the Democratic Party had embrace that in politics and abandoned them and thats why they all voted for trump and i think this election i just gave it all ok i think it was just saying i didnt i was making i think it was what you know it was the trade issue see the media missed it the democrats missed it it was trey and i would understand your student train policy and heard them and you know what george lived on in her white people black people and brown people all people that hit ok im not we arent i would argue that. Trumps made some inroads with his bank you know africanamerican voters his karma not much but enough that maybe the election but i would argue the elections going to this time around whether those voters thats what they mean youre ohio minnesota wisconsin michigan or it went with route last time or do it again this time around in fumigate so many endorsements hes received the unions have been indorsing him the Police Forces in endorsing him all these groups that are traditionally very democratic so thats an interesting phenomenon of how but i step back and forth is going to be a big factor backing up here i do think the democrats are taking youre much more seriously than republicans and i think most democrats youre acting in their party want medicare for all and the problem with the seriousness of that proposal is that would bankrupt the country i wouldnt read it republicans and have not been serious on health care he you look at when they control the senate the house and the presidency and theyve been saying repeal and replace for 7 years and also and they have no plan to do that and thats just thats an abomination thats terrible policy with paul ryan in charge of the house they should have a comprehensive plan that they are lies in is the worst well. Dont you even get me started going back to you know you know what you used to work rats. You know a little of don here the Current System is bankrupt the people left right and center ok so you know i find that to be on the point of scare tactics but both of you have said in the context of this debate in one and i in and it gives me hope the only hope is that there is a real mind and going on right now ok we have a progressive on the program that thinks they dont have a terry in politics those who are you have a conservative like me on the program that think we have to think about single payer if its these parties that are doing this ok donald trump ran as a as a as an outsider ok he ran as a populist hes governed like jeb bush ok and then joe biden i would argue doesnt really have very very helpless strongly held views but he has this coalition me has to keep together and hes got his fingers crossed that the burning cross and i say that in a positive way will stick with them that there is a realignment going on here and i think that this is an opportunity for all of this because the i can say it on this television station yes show that we saw last night tells us that there are all it takes is is i think corrupt and it is it is. Rotten in many many ways here and just on this program in the short few minutes that we have kind of come up with other ideas that dont necessarily follow the strictures of the of the parties go ahead george. I would say that last night was an abomination and it was unamerican and it would go against what we view here in texas which is worse competitive and we fight as hard as anybody in the world i would argue we do is gentlemen and his legs and we treat the other person with respect and dignity and i joined this procession if people havent been erupting and theyve been letting the other person think what they want to and were missing that American Public life right now a lot of people are going to follow after trials that havior and and model what he does and saw the former Vice President that last night which is this or any on both sides of the aisle and i think thats a bad thing for a new trick. You know its it got really personal. Hunter biden was mentioned and then trumps hacks and so ok and i thought you know Chris Wallace i have moderate debates all the time and im going to give a slight pass the Chris Wallace its not is he is people think however he did was deferential to buy when it came to his son because we could compare 100 by the tax issue with donald trump i dont understand why more people arent read outraged by the tax story because thats how rich people get away with paying taxes not donald trump ok of course he does that Everybody Knows he doesnt the tax code he designed to help people like you know there was not enough outrage about that and on the other side with by the senate you know but hes smart and these other stories here this is not this is not a conspiracy this isnt this is not all made up its not a fox news story you know got hunter by people with the help apparently i mean he was the son of the sitting Vice President of the United States i think that has to be some accountability there and thats what you know when we look back in 2016 i think that issue played to trounce advantage you know accountability looking at the weak candidate that Hillary Clinton clinton was and i think you know you know looking at the tax code and looking at pay to play are things that did the American People who need more transparency. I agree and ill say im a Progressive Side i dont think anybody cares about what biden sends did thats a its a talking point is a talking point its a deflection its a way to not talk about something that is more substantial to talk about what is going on in america right now the tax issue however goals to the core of who we are lets not forget down a child has run several bank run companies so then find out that you are leaving a giving out truly that does so its time to leave discuss now that weve kind of flip sides on many issues conservatives used to be this School Conservatives theyve always done in my opinion both at the state level and the National Level a much better job of watching our budget making sure were not spending money on things that we dont he spent not anymore not in 2020 they spent so much money but it is a personal affront to know that were spending federal tax dollars and troops not d putting in its fair share trust me i love if i can get a write off for these hairdos when i come on this show but i cant because my counsel is that that is not legal so its not legal for me is not legal for that is an American Issue what happened with hunter biden is not an issue that i think Many Americans care about and youre exactly right when he called lets not have to push back a little bit about that i mean youre in a privileged position and you couldnt you can cash in on your privileged position not because of your merits or are a bit of a billet to use here i think that is an affront to most americans particularly today when so many people were took a told that they were going to lose their job through no fault of their own and then you know theyre left holding the bag because Congress Said well you know its not bad enough its not a National Emergency its there 40000000 National Emergencies out there and then hunter biden is sitting in his jaguar earned that it got millions and millions of dollars for being the son of the Vice President i think that is a salient issue here george around maybe as well i think about. It ok i have bank if i may say what one thing i may say that may be true and so you see all of trumps children walk in who have a job in the white house who are still making millions of dollars where he did not at best from his business at that same exact debate and so you may want to bring up by einstein but then youve got to look at the entire tritely but i dont i dont have to bring up the church from children because theyre under a microscope all of the time ok and they accept it ok i would say differently about the biden family george were rapidly running out of time going yeah ive got 2 responses that something are both very poignant things to bring up 1st of all with dawns making a lot of great points for progress you might say which you might notice both parties are spending like drunken sailors in their industry reborn at this point and i want to go back to the medicare for all policy and democrats that biomass will bankrupt the country a lot faster than pattering right now were going to go bankrupt anyway with with entitlements overwhelm our tax revenues and i will come back to the corruption or monk president ial camerons weve come a long way from harry truman in Lisette Scranton had to write their memoirs to point our party can say they were getting down to where they couldnt pay their bills and to be nonpartizan it started with Ronald Reagan when he got made 2000000. 00 and since then has cash in on the presidency and 100 by its behavior is a lot is an abomination and i think its very relevant and im tired of these powerful strong leaders in washington cashing in on Public Service its disgusting i dont care where its republican or democrat ok im going to end this program very rarely just like i have so i think i have something to say that i think is really important is basically to live down here is that it is an interesting deer then in january and february you remember you hearing we dont have any money for it theres not enough money ever since then theres a lot since money oh all over the place to pay for things and to pay for the rich. Each to make sure theyre safe ok bailed them out 1st ok and then when the people the people that were at on the front lines you know theyre the ones that need it the most and you know what theyre left holding the bag and i think thats an abomination the debate reflects the state of the politics of the country thats all the time we have here i want to thank my guests. Panama city beach and dallas and i think our viewers for watching us here arent you see you next i mean remember. This sort of amazing country with so many friends in russia and im very excited to be here. To say i love that idea i think i can do. It every night i make a lot of money with. 170. Has a nice. A great wall and nobody feels a lot better than me believe me and ill build a very inexpensive like a great great wall. d just in case youre worried about whos going to pay for it mexico will pay for. It well see what happens who knows who knows what well see out of philly will be a success. 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