What we know as a society we see the bad guy in the good guy well thats cops and robbers but when the cop becomes the robber the game is over the game is over s. Corruption it was a horrific twist of fate that led to reggies release. Was more fortunate his fathers death led to an unexpected turn providence was his big thing in any have you know great Life Insurance and was 184000 my dad left and i was able to parlay that up to about 236. 00 stock market and then it was just 100 percent of my time dedicated to my case and that enabled those to hire a private investigator we have essentially a growing war chest of evidence that had committed the crime or at least that all the evidence that was presented was it was false evidence i had received a complaint from i flew up to the state prison where bruce lister was i spoke to him once somebody is accused of murder and youre arrested for murder its tape recorded everything is tape recorder i couldnt find his tape d it had been. Taken out of evidence by detective monsoon and it was never put back into evidence. Active months it would said the footprints outside the house matched the footprints on the inside lieutenant gavin found the footprints were actually looked at by a scientist or any qualified expert so we took matters into his own hands so i contacted our people Scientific Investigative Division so he takes out this big magnifying glass looks at it looks at the other one day goes these 2 dont match see this is a great embarrassment for any Large Organization that youve convicted somebody for murder and then 51020 years later its true it turns out that the person is actually innocent. And this is what my lieutenant said that is not in that prison do you understand me sergeant captain they will do everything they can to stop you from Going Forward with the information you have upon a deal in the comprehensive work at the private investigator yeah they p. D. Internal Affairs Department claimed his complaints were unfounded and that no misconduct had occurred you cant have an internal investigation were we only investigate our sales. This guy good job to give the words or anything like that just to give the system that has no checks and balances you who is shaking ya know i believe in internal affairs should be separate from the Police Department there is no way that a Police Department can investigate themselves currently there are no independent organizations whose job it is to investigate Police Misconduct and theres no oversight of prosecutors either. Prosecutorial misconduct dizzee major factor of Wrongful Convictions just a Single Thread that runs through almost all of the Wrongful Conviction cases deskovic has a masters in criminal justice specializing in Wrongful Convictions is also a survivor of prosecutorial misconduct i spent 16 years from prison i was wrongfully convicted of 17. Emerged at 32 jeff eventually won a lawsuit against Putnam County new york prison. Which enabled him to start his own foundation and the founder and executive director of the jeff it just did it but just as theres no deterrent theres no oversight is no punishment for prosecutors so they can break the law they dont face criminal penalties even when they engage in withholding evidence of innocence threatening witnesses coercing witnesses no matter how serious the misconduct as if the prosecutor commits that after an arrest has been made they have whats called prosecutorial immunity theyre above the law the prosecutors to really uphold whats become just words which is you know theyre there to do justice theyre there to do the right thing it becomes more like were there to when expressing a prosecutors offices actually keep statistics on conviction rates well you should be credited that you looked at a case where the police thought they had a good case but a good prosecutor looked and said you know what theres some mistakes made here we should drop the charges in this case we should incentivize that but instead we actually incentivize the opposite of getting convictions and getting conviction rates all of a sudden justice gets lost in that process and whether this guy committed the crime or not gets lost in that process because its all about winning my case immunity that. I meet in the real world you know you suppose we hold accountable for your wrongdoings so therefore if you are a person of authority already the you have to be held at a higher standard than just a lightly i think we actually did step back and kind of rethink the whole system in the way were approaching it because its become this game and peoples lives are lost as a result of it. If you ever do find yourself wrongfully convicted odds are you never get now the 1st thing you need to do is in preservation letters to the Police Department labs and the courts. Questing that you want all your evidence. Otherwise they may destroy it within 30 days try to find it in the sense project itll take you case. This process take years. Before. The Innocence Project estimates conservatively there could easily be 40000 to over 100000 americans only wrongfully convicted the majority of which are people of color. This is private investigator on this case it is a very. Private investigator who made a complaint. On the desk of an internal Affairs Investigator who. Looked at bruces claims in a very serious minded fashion. Its the people like the tech to the others out there that have made our job very difficult to do day after day because we lose the confidence of the public and with the confidence of the courts we have to have police chief structures of Public Service that are willing to do the right thing and terminate employees who are doing the wrong thing if you want to say youre the good guy but youre ostracized by everybody that you believe then its a very difficult situation because i have to continue to work for the same department that this to. I dont look at myself as a hero i look at myself as a sort of as a survivor because the system attacked me system one after me and the system did everything they could to keep her in jail and everything to keep me quiet its been a lot of therapy my wife and i met in 3rd grade we were Elementary Junior High High School sweethearts who lived on the same street and thats a been its been a very. If a cold difficult road she is 3rd generation l. A. P. D. And. Their survival is day by day and always looking over your shoulder whether youre doing the right thing or not youre constantly looking over your shoulder and every time i get called into the captains office i wonder what did i do now and ive never had that feeling before i just kept on telling myself they are not going to defeat me theyre not going to defeat me its just when you come across Something Like this what are you going to do and thats the difficult thing if i had not given up the information that i did to the l. A. Times bruce lester would still be in prison. A bloody footprint that was attributed to bruce at his trial had recently been reanalyzed and shown to not been made from bruces shoe so they got his interest in the case and we started talking to those that private investigator began the 7 month investigation at the conclusion of that they filed an article called the case of doubt that eventually one of them in a ward when the times and. I want up sitting between 2005 when the 1st article came out and 2009 in prison for solid years. A widely recognized innocent man we knew back in 20032004 that we had probably a person that was imprisoned for a crime he did not commit and it took 5 years for the courts to work through the the entire system there were a lot of delays because of the conduct of my own Police Department and the conduct of the California Attorney general. Reggie kohl spent 16 years in prison for a crime he didnt commit 10 of those years were spent in solitary confinement and he had to kill another man to get a trial its a miracle reggie got out of all. Thames is a miracle story as well in late 2002. After 26 years he made parole. I signed some papers for the profs or he said ok see you later. Then asked me how i was getting home didnt ask me if i had a home when i realize these people honestly dont give. To survive you know this large hearted this sounds to me and develop posttraumatic stress disorder. Around noir and require immediate treatment you under the food new clothes youre going to need money for transportation to and from your parole officer meeting if you miss a beating you couldnt run you so that gives you going to be the judge but theres a lot of discrimination out there for employment and speak you know which youre going to need. I wouldnt have a home if it wasnt for the rescue or Life Foundation to set up a house or transitional housing. God and that foundation. Is whats got me by. A series and im sitting here and not back inside. Founded by. Challenging it can be to enter society. 25 years from south america after school we would have to go to moes jewish and hang out all day work around the business at that time we had several organizations that were just patrolled areas so it was pretty say we had the black panthers. Gringas organization 90 sleighs we head the nation. It was pretty cool you know you dont have to worry about people coming in holding you up and everything you have to worry about that helps them but it was after the cointelpro when they get pushed on the ground that everything. You seem like you know were crazy all of those came out in the you know you were you were fair game in the store operators yes once we started having a lot of burglaries my mother who she just before. She beat up to drop one day while i was there and i grabbed the incident running q do you got the money did any good it was enough money you know i was lucky you know i was from the. News know that you know he had his gun on issues how to move in just you know with his students kicking her in and demanding more money he got all the money we hate you know. Mother wasnt robbed once she was robbed over and over again. Wasnt under make no certain you know blood is just blood into nationalities. You. Has emerged people come with certainty we dont look like seeing the whole world needs to be. Judged. Come in every crisis with this system things. We can do better we should. Everyone is contributing way but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever the challenge is great the response has been much so many good people are helping us. It makes us feel very proud that were in it together. Birds or head. Far behind or if you give us a. Harder. Every is that you. Just. Came out if you did. Manage to move. Them into the fish you know not just before. They are the house of. God since we. Dont have any. Skin or. Any. Kind of system definition in. Our newscycle. I had a good friend he would always come in about me being so tight and he smokes we submit just take this you need to the right medication and lead to the page you know lead to cocaine in the p. C. Pee. Wee shot in the lead to mark a crime that happened in prison you know into prison for 2nd degree murder to do is route they were pows have been the middleman going to give you the end of the you know robbing me because it happened to us in a business a Family Business so much this guy he wasnt just someone that was robbing me all the time he was it was so somebody had been victimized in my family and all these other times you got away with this time you want to go to get away so it was kind of like the previous day retaliation thing for you what youre going to pay for that so what i found is that which you cant forgive you end up becoming. What you cant forgive you end up becoming. So i had to learn how to forgive and then to go and i had to learn how to forgive him and then they go because he was also after i got to see his record this guy had a rap sheet you know from here from one side rolled to the other you know and i could see you know he needed to same help did i need we are generally magine that there is such thing as for example a murderer and then they were the murder in the public imagination and in most of our minds whether we thought about it or not initially is someone who likes to murder and he would murder given the opportunity thats what you think of a case and right thats what murders do they go around murdering mate and thats why you dont let them out of prison conceal them out of prison are going to murder again. The reality is. Incredibly. Some of the. Situations some of which couldnt even really begin. Suddenly. Doesnt have such a natural place anymore. 20 years. Theres no Human Element. To. The criminal justice system. There is no Human Element theyre not there to help you theyre not there to help society they can say they want to set up for all they want thats not what its there for. Not in california and not in a lot of places its a system set up to punish people and they take a bad situation and they usually make it much worse. You know what the official success rate of state prison is nearly 80 percent of all inmates. Within 5 years thats success rate of 20 percent imagine if we had those requirements of airplanes wow you know 10 airplanes falling out of the sky its a little bit crazy making and that is department of justice federal Government Research dr michael attended Harvard University has a ph d. In just the studies and as a professor of criminal justice at California State University dr coyle says the prison not only increases criminal behavior it has a deleterious effect on society as a whole what happens to a family when the wage earner is removed from society and thrown into prison for 10 years. What happens to those power of am proud to wear their chances of success in life start to go down what will how does that impact the Community Loss of resources in our community more demands in the community now to help to help this family maybe the other parent maybe the children its so clearly a failure by every measure that you look at it but i think we just need to rethink the whole thing and not just keep trying to put lipstick on this pig because thats what i think it is difficult for people to imagine a World Without prisons now weve become so accustomed to the idea of prisons that its hard for people to imagine well what do you do with people if you dont put them in france. And when when theyve done wrong there are other alternatives just ask he said the degree of civilization in the society could be judged by entering its prisons hebrews 133 remember those who are in chains as if you were in jesus with them. We dont we put everybody at risk. My husband dan was a Police Officer and he was killed in the line of duty and my goal at the trial was to get the man who killed my husband convicted of 1st degree murder and speak of in the Death Penalty and thats what i got thats what happened i thought ok here it is i got justice im going to be free from this and it didnt happen and it was it was just a lie it didnt change anything ok less sheryls a stainless for brokering the truce between the crips and the bloods in 1902 then in 2004 experienced an unimaginable tragedy my oldest son was murdered. From winter break college. And i was shot to death at a party. You know so my daughter called me was like the dad you didnt go to rome she asked me straight in the projects and stuff and he talked to my going on a mission for a trail so i jumped him our car and i drove over there to do projects and i jumped up the car and i are sitting. I said man weve played this high for nachos for 2 game old enough im like you know its left us all blind into focus you know and i might win without anybody here to provide direction and guidance for the cues from the young folks and the parents and the loved ones that are left behind like im like lets listen to Something Different theres an opportunity here for us to take the wisdom that we know works what we would do for our own kids or own kids were in trouble into a very by these kids. We have to demand a once and for all and to police seem and. Business for profit. At least half of the people in there are in there for crimes of addiction or economic desperation or Mental Health instead of just throwing everybody that we decide if we can help and the money for restoring justice programs. And social services. There has to be citizen oversight and accountability for all our public servants. To all of any interest. Equal access to opportunity in this country all the. Matter of. Being logical. To. Love for. Well for yourself. A good monday morning to you how a poignant man finally free after serving 16 years for a crime he didnt commit i dont think it was real and so on so much are these invisible. Better. Trying to describe it. Was an unbelievable feeling that was just an emotional roller coaster that you know i mean i cried walking out it was just the magnitude of all these years. Now here it is and then. A moment later i would be too bewildered to cry and i would just be. 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