Transcripts For RT CrossTalk 20240712

A strategic arms ship with. Lusher is a work in all establishing a strategic. As a soviet union hastur in the cold war and the americans understand that there are also lots of jets in syria has being defeated the americans know there is no chance of the Syrian Government being over for her so here americans are looking to target russias allies and friends in the well i dont see a 2nd program here you know you know team in the in again looking at the 3 countries that we mention your keep the venezuelan interest. Theres always this pretense of some kind well drop sanctions if you do x. Y. And z. Once in 3 but if you look at every single example well talk about syria the 2nd half of the program is basically full submit surrender and then we will drop the sanctions here it doesnt work that way. Thats not what diplomacy is all about an obviously it is a pretense to force regime change we all know what happened to libya the north koreans know what happened to libya here so i mean that this is such a blunt. Tool for political change and there and there is no the the the the psni care part of it is never really explained and thats why these these countries and in their governments of feel threatened because there is no alternative its one way its one way or my way or the highway and that is that is and thats not the way you can you know reasonably work the International Order go ahead you know youre absolutely right that sanctions is basically a continuation of a war by on the means you know qualms it is used to say that war is a continuation of 46 by on the means well its definitely sanctions is not diplomacy and these has been sad of many discussions that bombay quabbin eyes they are rushing Global Affairs magazine organized and the west and that is most of them agree but they cant do anything about it because the west and for important she is ideological. And this is the problem because if the United States Foreign Policy had been pretty make it look we had wonderful logical in the magazine called. American conservative embargo and the way basically the spread of course we are in now in iran threatens the u. S. Nationals in afghanistan in pakistan in many neighboring countries but nevertheless you know mohamed german sorry for the foreign minister or what youre on here just recently gave an interview to our viewers you said because we cannot transfer money we cannot also pay for that big scene for any. And of medicine against compete the same story with venezuela it was proven beyond doubt that the spread of course wed be in business for what fred owns us national you know because the disease spreads to the United States many other countries however they havent done anything about help in giving your salmon go meant to fight the disease and they have basically just joined the country by sanctions no they did it on i dont you think its a its fair to say that theyre using covert as a political d weapon against these governments i mean in thats unconscionable its a conscionable shes an old pandemic as a Political Tool here marcus let me go back to you on i mean do you want to finish or just just to finish up i agree with marcus duff now russia is moving towards and i think it was basically an expression or unwillingness to have confrontation we believed in a different world during the ninetys during the early 2000 and need to be clear here limited to marcus no i mean russia did join other members the United Nations Security Council on sanctions to to how it ran into that negotiations about its Nuclear Ambitions really what it did that ok it would have let me then we got an agreement and then the Drug Administration walked away from it so i think that you know you could you could comment russian Foreign Policy for pushing a Diplomatic Initiative which ive said repeatedly on this program and not to the markets right now repeatedly on this program that i commend the Obama Administration for doing exactly that its walking away from it that im critical of go hemmer this is a credit to the Russian Federation in the seasonal so it is serious and disagree so United Nations Security Council measures be an employer stalling iran and say this is there. But also Russian Diplomats who privately were not happy with that but in tracy transceiver russia is very different russia to retreat is not pursuing a Strategic Partnership or on russia has a Strategic Partnership with iran over lathrop an Iranian Foreign minister has said and also remember that hes now prepared to supply a state of the art. Systems to iran previously would not do because of his radio attraction as the russians are now criticizing israel your taxes and they have prioritized their relationship we have iran over israel and i think just listening to sanctions sanctions are one of the most potent weapons in americas phone policy also and what i hear with dmitri says about kerry for people who are suffering from what is known as kerry tonight saying that its a shame in the american policymakers have any feelings have any of morals about humanity and also in economic terms it makes far more sense for the americans to bring her out crusading venezuela and iran and through that to take control of the economies there so that is why the americans are placed in sanctions and i think ultimately they are talking to him cautious friends and allies of the us as a way we can it last this resurgence of the International Stage getting you know to. Be a trumpet ministration is kind of created this kind of false binary in my opinion is that this maximum pressure is a substitute for going to war because frank did say that he would not start any more silly stupid wars ok and you know what today he hasnt started anything however as weve all agreed on this program here same sions is another means of warfare and you know that the most glaring one right now is that is venezuela how in the world and israel is a threat to american national. Interest is a mystery to me ok but that goes to the point that marcus was making there do is it i mean john bolton even said that you know he was a national Security Council advisor that American Companies are interested in in this way was oil if we see was france. Well i mean the United States colonial or neocolonial poor you see you know action america is nothing new and bad as it is it would not be tragic you know but whats going on right now is indeed tragic because well trumpery presents crude american nationalism he didnt start a new wars not because he was peaceful but because ironically it even the more war prone you know liberal interventionist for a and his attempts to stock and war with iran to start a war with syria you know they were all business frayed to try would get all the benefits of victory and then he would be left in for another 4 years so surprisingly near accurately and he may deem i mean what is dick cheney here i mean you know we can go particularly particularly since the end of the cold war its been destructive failure after another year i dont think anyone is worried about winning and people are worried about how bad we dont know until thats what were going to be youre youre youre absolutely correct you know factually you are correct war with iran would be disastrous if its you know its quite sequences would be unpredictable but please remember were out you know put into their you asked for importance you need you are not to walk into pragmatist youre not talking to people who base their polish on facts they base their own idea all of g. And that i dont see it as you then the rain regime is weak in some popular people are against well basically Something Like that probably existant in the 90 s. Or. You know what he did many young people in iraq war against the government but the United States by invading iraq and making the iraq what it is now she dont have spirit inside during in society just saw the United States on it has itself to weigh in for that. And we all know that these sanctions is the only strengthen the governments that where these sanctions are directed against its so counterproductive and there is no learning curve here when it comes to say all right gentlemen im going to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion. With our. Always be polite never engage with a negative a good or confrontational. Dont get into any conversation or start answering questions just ask for an attorney. To survive in the territories. 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Before that there is no answer because yes that requires resources the most vulnerable were abandoned on the streets to become the invisible klux. Were all things are considered im Peter Lavelle remind you were discussing some real. Im going to go back to you in london here it seems patently clear if you look at the Foreign Policy adviser surrounding joe biden and of course the Foreign Policy establishment that is a government in the trumpet ministration you know they just cant let syria go can they be just. Let it go and every time you ask him why are we in there why are we in syria which we know is the illegal under International Law countries like russia have been indicted under International Law based on the United Nations charter here but when you asked a Foreign Policy blog why were in syria they can never give you the same answer twice can. Oh peter the reason why the americans in your worse complex syria who is because washington has a thought host specific lee a military and he can only accrue holes in the north east of the country and the americans as in days the russians and the iranians and other countries in the world understand that syria is or immense cheer strategic importance and abbas i do not believe that there will be any attempt by the americans in new faced syria to. The atrocities of the syrian army backed by the Russian Military and youre a military because of course i doing so you that could bring your house confrontation with russia but i do believe paisa that the americans have no intention whatsoever over relinquish in the best foothold in no free syria because i mean americans being in syria that does true trainings firstly it limits syrias our influence and power in the middle east because there is a foreign army in syria and secondly and so a lesser extent it doesnt limit russias position in the middle east why because syria is as it has been since the cold war is russias always and its not just in the middle east and in fact for us and for the russians because the americans are in syria does somewhat. Limits their own position in the middle east but nonetheless i think what we will see is unless the kurds and the americans full house and i dont see any evidence of that happening i think the american states it would feast syria all the parts of the movie syria which they control offensively into or into an american protectorates well let. It would be strongly at odds with most of the world things here i mean you know the things that Foreign Policy seem to forget or willfully forget is that it was the it was the Syrian Arab Army with the assistance of iran and russia that destroyed the counterfeit i mean i know trump thinks the credit for whatever it took the Russian Air Force 25. 00 planes and 6 weeks to do it the american stood by for years and watch the caliphate grow ok and actively encourage it one way or another proxies ok but you know in the in the theyre worried about irans influence in syria well by form ending this proxy International War against the government of damascus they brought in the russians they brought in the uranium so you know what and the iranians and the russians have done more to fight the taliban then any western power ever has and no one in washington wants to admit that simple truth go ahead. Well i think you know im sorry in your 1st development on your 1st question i would see that the United States and the e. U. Will not create insisting on changing the regime in syria its a general problem you know you will tell you bill outre liberal ideology when they adopt a soap a narrative they just dont let go of it you know russia gate im sorry for the americans youre going to hear him pounded for the next i dont know how many years until the idea what we do in the country changes the same story about wesen inks you know just recently it was revealed and not the opposition member you know over russia who claimed to have been poisoned by the russians but even koran was up you know he is more skewed against m. P. I. For not believing him that he was poisoned was turned down so he was officially not poisoned and we hear the same story. Boy zones hes opponents you know and they will not then go and this is the core you know the principle of that Foreign Policy machine and what your step about syria you know lets get the facts st i will give you the exact numbers you know before the Russian Aviation stop and operating in syria in september 2015 for 11 months the socalled just one extended had to be in supposedly borne out by the United States and their allies and the problem was then the sliming state just kept spray didnt it kept in lodge in the 3rd is that it controlled the situation or only changed after russian started already and you know there are for the benefit of our viewers here the the the Bombing Campaign by the United States in its own eyes it didnt go after isis it destroyed the state it the structure of syria that was the intention is to create a failed state so on the other side russia syria in its own lies they destroyed the talented and to save the infrastructure of the country diametrically opposed agendas and you may want to save some yeah you know it just proves of on what im what we said in the beginning of the program if you if you dont believe that the United States destroyed the infrastructure of syria look who it is keep in syria under sanctions now we have been saying that sanctions is a continuation of would by other means the United States and the e. U. No you know despite the country being destroyed despite it being in red just after that civil war they continue maintaining sanctions against syria its on her oh i mean i dont remember any example in history when a country would be destroyed and now with a war that would be making the destruction it would warse by not allowing to supply of oil by not to allow it to supply me. So this is all terrible bob you know talking about who destroyed what we know their narrative for the western media it was the opposite of what you just said peter they said the prophet is not wont be an isis the trash is born bin civilian or objects in it in syria here i want to quote peter falk former u. K. Ambassador to syria he has interviewed dispute like the socalled rebels for it said the dire have been using mosques hospitals schools asking them and and control centers are of course when syrian president Bashar Al Assads boards these command and control centers its a human uteri an outreach you know when asa wants them its an atrocity it went to court u. S. Led coalition warps you know the force but those and and and schools its just an accident its just bad luck if they kill civilians and it was make it. Directly in the owyhee its not for you ok ambassador to syria its not som lane and telling us that it in mark is the interesting thing for me here is that in the. Trunk can either hes an able or unwilling to get the right people around him to have american troops withdraw from syria when the then the people that want to promote this intervention there if indeed they did this want to be the Decision Maker there waiting for the pieces on the board to get into a certain situation where they can impose their will thats the only understood other than obviously not allowing syria to build and thats just out of spite because that hurts the civilian population but. There is no real coherence other than we dont have a plan so were just going to sit in wait it out and see if we can determine outcomes you agree with. Oh let me 1st of all places to say when i sit in a press gallery in the house of commons and hear witnesses and backbench a pace say who air force. Took the lead rope into showing how qaida and isis in syria i sit back and sire weve just sat then coincidentally i tell my so well they say they know theyre not telling the truth they know affectively the Russian Military destroying profile qaeda and isis is there but no british minister no british happened member of parliament is going to credit russia with that because that would go against the official narrative in britain and also in america. Is a threat to the west to western civilization to western democracy but it is or americas position in syria yes i have no doubt that there were there are people around. Who likes to see its very keen action more definitive action in syria and i have to say peace now on it or leave iraq or paloma. Did not have people around him dictating to him what his approach to syria should be i have said this on cross before and i would keep on saying its the real people in power in america and not the ones you see on television yes an american president has tremendous power was when it comes to for example health care but i refer to the fundamental core areas in american politics you know American Economic times in an American Military and those people in my opinion for the permanent unseen governments and it doesnt matter who sits in the white house. Well what i say laying their direction. No matter whos in the white house or a policy lobbyist determined to continue a bad. Its to be considered and i got your sentiments there demon were almost out of time here i think theres no good reason to believe that the by ministration is going to act that he differently is a better take we need even more aggressive in considering the Foreign Policy quote unquote experts by his surrounding himself with. Joe biden might be the obama that might say yes to war intervention in syria last minute goes. Well i think it will be streamed he dangerously if joe biden comes to coopt of course then. Bomb us Foreign Policy would be continued and please remember the 4 ringback main wars which are now destroying mankind they were all started under obama the war in yemen the war in syria the war in ukraine. And the war in libya you know theyre well all started under obama so who by the returns by want to have the same story again just a small. You know amendment to what arpa set the people who run tonight the states are not the people that it was right then also not the people that were elected you know we see now how mr truong you know unpleasant person as he is is subjected to the same complain of demonization by the same people who demonized qaddafi who demonized knew or should be in a campaign here tonight a story out of time i want to thank my guests in london and here in moscow thank our viewers for watching us here r. T. See you next time remember. Is your media a reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe. Isolation full community. Are you going the right way or are you being led so. Direct. What is true what is faith. In the world corrupted you need to descend. To join us in the depths. Aura maybe in the shallowness. Of our own birds or. Club or the feel good but so. Far good. Of it is that you. Just fit into the mothership did. You see mamma because we moved. 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