Not particularly safe to Exchange Information this way well actually we have to do that and just this morning i participated in the meeting of the conference on interaction and cooperation in asia a confidence building in asia. Video conference. Some 20 more Foreign Ministers who are participating in that conference and as you pointed out in your in your introductory statement. This despite us doesnt recognize rich were poor weak or strong or enemies its affecting all of us and it shows that we need to come together in order to fight despite us unfortunately the United States continues to prevent it on even from buying medicine and vaccine to buy despite will definitely discuss that in details but let me ask you one. Question about the workings of diplomacy because from what you mentioned i understand that when it comes to you know making. Public statements or prepared statements its ok to do with online but the use still came to moscow for some reason is that because certain things that you sound that have to discuss the only this is this is actually my 3rd visit to moscow after the corona. Breakout so there are things that you need to discuss in person. Of course we all use Video Conferencing as zoom or whatever other. Platforms as out of a book but it comes to a point that you need to discuss certain things in person now under normal conditions diplomat of your statue would be grounded for i mean i mean you cannot be serious you can at the task that. Has covered 1000 change and that i mean i are required to do you require your peers your counterparts to provide some proof of them not being a health risk to others. We dont do that to diplomats in iran but and i was not subjected to any of those made an ad out in moscow no but in some of the countries they do some countries require you to go through at least a Temperature Check some countries require you to provide them with a test that was taken. No more than 48 hours before you go i will but those are much fewer china is for instance one of those countries that has very strict requirements be going to china in a couple of weeks and im not going to be easy now iran has one of the hardest hit countries in the middle east some experts suggest that you are now in the grips of. A 3rd way if it involves a pandemic in many high. Ranking iranian official site succumbed to or even died from the virus i know that one of your closest. Friends visors and france and former colleagues sadly died because of it i wonder if you personally have developed any rules or teams to maximize your safety because youre in a high risk drop you have many interactions youre in the risk group for sure. We can only try to who say i mean keep the necessarily not social distancing both physical distance. In our interactions with the mask and how do you do wear the mask because when you came in here you are you there is massive i do of the mask all the time and its across the board and ive heard them ask all of my colleagues words about not as if i can i can be immune and they have to now you mentioned before. There are difficulties where difficulties for iran in securing medical equipment and they were there even before the pandemic struck. How severe they are now and is it a factor in why. The pandemic affected your country so severely. Certainly the sanctions and Economic Hardship that the United States imposed on iran has had a significant impact. On 2 levels 1st we had to be could not keep people from going to work because not provide them bid subsidies with the extra subsidies we already do provide subsidies but we couldnt provide them with extra subsidies or incentives to stay home people had to make to earn a living again and the governments. Coffers not that very. Filled so we need we needed to allow them to to end their own living this was this was the 1st decision that we had to make a very hard decision but the decision nevertheless that we needed to adopt and secondly the 2nd level is buying medicine buying the vaccine the United States 1st of all limited. Financial resources by preventing us from selling boyd and secondly it is preventing us even from having access to our own money we have quite a bit of money stashed in countries abroad and those countries are prevented by d. N. A. To safe from even allowing us to buy medicine with our own money whatever the americans are saying about their sanctions not affecting a humanitarian items is just is just like we have been trying to transfer money for the covert 19. Kovacs. W. H. O. Acts in we havent been able to do that weve been trying to transfer money even for normal influenza vaccines to the United States restrictions prevent us from even transferring money to to buy vaccines so its. Its basically medical terrorism that the u. S. Is engaged now you know in moscow for what i assume some sensitive conversation since you came here in person and im pretty sure that you are going to touch it if youre russian colics on the latest u. S. Decision to reimpose arms embargo against your country not everybody except the United States agrees that its illegal so we dont have to waste your valuable time on you know talking about the illegitimacy of that act i want to ask you and i want to get an honest assessment from you whether you think it would still be a factor despite being illegal does the United States have the means of imposing not only imposing that ban on your country but effectively making it international will United States. Does certainly have. A lot of. Might financial might. In venet comes to preventing countries from getting beat each other and that is why countries are less and less dependent on dollar because they know that as long as they depend for their International Transaction on u. S. Dollars. Basically at the mercy of the United States and the americans can can impose. On that 2nd point on this is this is a principle for us you dont doesnt buy a lot of warms were not saudi arabia i mean day per day spend 67000000000. 00 more than russia did. On the military. We dont spend that much money. We dont have that much money to spend we produced most of the weapons we need ourselves so we dont going to go to international markets. To try to procure weapons from here and none of the European Countries even sold us weapons since since the revolution. So were not under any illusions but this is a principle that there was an agreement to lift the restrictions and as russia correctly has pointed out we did not beaver not under an arms embargo there were restrictions we needed to get a permission from the Security Council to buy and sell weapons and now that restriction will be defeated in mid october and that is the most important thing if we need to procure weapons to buy weapons from our friends then the room no legal limits a well speaking of here or france and buying our ours from that. Counterpart Sergei Lavrov was asked whether russian arms for tracers will continue trading with iran he said that he could not give an answer because its a private business decision and americans do have an ability to influence the calculus of france i want to ask you specifically what kind of reaction youre expecting from russia and china is the rhetorical condemnation and now. Russia and china to delete in objecting to to the american measures before that better even the europeans i mean 13 members 13 of the 15 Security Council members twice wrote letters to the president of the Security Council once on the 20th of august when the United States if should that socalled want to be case in and once on the 20th of september when the United States claimed that is purported u. N. Sanctions have come back rejecting it and thats whats important i think thats the important point. Just a diplomatic channel isnt out of a but i mean does a major diplomatic defeat for the United States isolation of the United States. Verification by the International Community of the legitimacy of the iranian position really which is an important achievement not. As for iran but for the International Community for the rule of law no. Contact at the military level with our friends those contacts will continue usually these are not broadcast live on television i see you mentioned the European Reaction and i do want to ask you about the europeans because i think in russia now nowadays finds itself in a station similar to the one that theyre on it was with the g c p a way because it has invested in the pipeline in the north stream pipeline and now it sees the europeans having 2nd thoughts of paying lip service to certain ideas for their out actually putting any muscle behind it. Can the europeans still be regarded as this reasonable part of the west because they definitely have talk a different talk from the United States but are they more reliable when it comes to International Agreements and you know keeping that war it but as you just go directly pointed out north stream is is a very clear example that if europeans allow the United States to bully them when it comes to iran the United States can bully them when it comes to the lifeline and north stream is extremely important for europe as you know for germany its its most Reliable Energy source and and the United States is even trying to intimidate clearly intimidate germany from from engaging with russia in that so i think the lesson that has to be drawn from that is that if you allow a bully to operate in these new lives no point and i think the europeans need to realize now unfortunately up until now europeans have been doing a lot of good talk. On the north stream but not much much action i think. I mean we have a long history. And we are patient we know that the policy of the United States would be a policy of the United States is bound to be rejected by the National Community while i think some time but we have thousands of years of history behind like some countries with 250 years well i wish i had this long period of hysteria and this kind of after is but for the time being we have to take a short break so youre back in just a few moments stay tuned. But the pandemic no certainly no borders and is blind to nationalities. Has emerged we dont have a theory we dont have the facts in the whole world peace to be the chief. Judge of this commentary crisis sleaze mr la times we can do better we should. Everyone is contributing each of our own way but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever the challenges created the response has been massive so many good people are helping us. It makes us feel very proud that we are in it together. Welcome back to worlds apart that irans foreign minister. Minister just before the break or its touched upon. Your attitude to the United States and. There is a bit more than a month left until the next years president ial elections i know that you say that iran doesnt have a preferred candidate but as a kind of with a long tradition of strategic analysis im sure you have 2 or 4 seem different scenarios do you think there will be a difference in the u. S. Policy of his over your country depending on who occupies the white house next year but. Obviously there will be differences between various president s and various points of views i doubt that any one will have extreme views such as President Trump but at the end of the day be need to look at the policy not the personality in the white house i think the question that needs to be asked before even asking what the policy would be with regard to iran is whether there will be a peaceful transition in the United States if i was president by the election from what we heard from President Trump yesterday there seems to be a bit more complicated why she was ahead of us he said diplomatic contender is our also pretty and sure whether theyre going to accept hes victorious i think it plays for you know from both camps perhaps. Lets wait and see i mean the other camp doesnt have many options President Trump is sitting in the white house. For for a sitting president to claim that this countrys elections are going to be ready rigged its an interesting scenario to watch. His contender are his competitor rather joe biden has already indicated that if he wins his administration is willing to resurrect they disappear way to reach your country and your personal responded by rolling out preconditions rebuilding trust compensating damages which im sure he will hear no on on star is what i want to ask here is. Regardless of your feelings about the us contact. Is there an interest in the confidence of the deal i interested in in substance or of course we are we have said that with or without the United States if iranian interests that order. Guaranteed in the j. C. We dont want anything outside the j. C. People we simply want what is ours what was bargained what was negotiated within the j. C. Pure and it cannot be renegotiated. We simply want that if the remaining j. C. Pure participants can provide that we are willing to live with that we gave them particularly the europeans over a year to implement what they had promised they made 11 promises at the level of Foreign Ministers twice to us but they were not able to even start implementing those 11 promises not even a single one of them and then we started reducing our commitments to j. C. Puree as was 4 c. In the j. C. P. O. So thats the real dispute resolution make mechanism not the parallel war dispute resolution mechanism that the United States is talking about we are abiding by our obligations we are within the j. C. Pew and if. The europeans come back to j. C. And implement obligations and its fine j. C. Purity is a life disagrees he counseled proved that it is a lot. The United States tried to torpedo this resolution we were sitting in the room the United States not only left the room but bombed the room try to destroy the room now it has to gain a seat back in the room and that is not automatic im not putting any preconditions i mean you do not want to have a situation in international. Environment where somebody can leave an agreement and come back to it this doesnt work i was watching your conversation at the council of Foreign Relations and he repeated this wonderful of persian saying if your time is very secure prove your brotherhood ask for inheritance as wise if it may be the americans let alone trying dont leave by persian wisdom they have their own philosophy and for the time being its a philosophy of taking what they think is there is by force no theres a loss of fear is whats mine is mine whats yours is negotiable absolutely im just of the philosophy that im willing to to succumb to. You may not be willing to succumb to but how do you think what is the a factor of way of dealing with a bit because whether you like it or not you still have to live in a world where this philosophy you know is a significant mark well i think iran russia and a good number of other states are not prepared to allow this philosophy to become the ruling philosophy we believe in the rule of law we believe in the prevalence of International Norms we believe that if you when you sign a treaty you need to abide by it these are what we believe in other words we will have the law of nature and operate like that and between ourselves but what about dealing with the United States we need to otherwise it will be a jungle and be not prepared to live in the jungle. So i dont think russia is prepared to live in a jungle i dont think china is prepared and i think gradually that europe will stop accepting these diktats from washington sitting here is a little bit because our time is running out i know that you said before that you are not very impressed by the recent agreement that then israel and the United Arab Emirates as well as back rein on the establishment of full diplomatic ties why not. Well there had believed very strategic secret connections for the past 15 years these really ambassador in washington. No i mean put on twitter his picture you supplied the table. d of that and said im now happy that i can share with you a friendship that we have had for a long time so it was a friendship that theyve had for a long time now they had a photo opportunity in the white house to help trump get reelected in florida that may serve that purpose but it doesnt serve people with minister personal or professional connection is one thing a full fledged state relationship is Something Else no diverse state relationship there are state relationships these relationships big kept secret now they decided under trumps son in law pressure to make it public in order to help trump play in order to give him a diplomatic victory that he needed. With his dismal record of Foreign Affairs so that he could show something that its not only about trying because israel is now offering its. Newly found air france new Technology VitalTechnology Investment up the chain just these deal also clears the way for the for the United States to sell more weapons to countries in your region is that the really that irrelevant for the interest of iran to minimizing the impact of that only 1. 00 rising game package im saying that this was a travesty of justice for the palestinians but it wasnt a major diplomatic accomplishment these countries boy persian gulf countries by 25 percent of total global weaponry and they will buy more i mean what have they done with this 25 percent of total global weaponry that they get i mean this make it 30 lets make it 40 lets make it 50 what good does it do to say it doesnt bother you at all but it does bother me that our neighbors are trying to buy security. They have been trying to buy security dont forget they try to buy security from Saddam Hussein and look where they go with him they try to buy security from the United States and they saw the United States simply just leaving them. In the cold without giving them any protection now theyre trying to buy security from israel which cannot even protect itself against. Palestinians now i think that badly mistaken they need to look inward they dig they need to look at their own people for legitimacy and they need to look at their own neighborhood for security now there are lots of speculations of who is going to be next and mansour donna. Talked about as the next can trace your follow in the footsteps of the u. A. E. But everybody is definitely looking at the saudi arabia and i think. You can see some subtle signs that the Public Opinion is being with sars for the formalisation off of was really really the yeah the formalization of what is already there here i mean saudi arabia and israel have been cooperating with each other for years and doing that in the open is that do you think thats a likely scenario of it actually happened i dont think its important i dont think its important i dont think its affects the situation what is important is that or i mean they never help the palestinians any bit but were still not only understand. I mean the entire problem in the middle east is the trampling of the rights of the Palestinian People you need to measure any development. Really that yardstick. Thats the struggle the resistance of the palestinians towards continued occupation i do not think that saudi arabia u. A. E. Or battery was strong supporters of the palestinian cause other than lipservice job i dont think it will have any Practical Impact on the difficulties in our region the difficulty in our region is because of expansionism of aggression and of violation of the rights of the Palestinian People now. President likes to compliment himself on his. New approaches to diplomacy and both his israeli and arab colleagues i willing to give him that i mean theyre willing to give him praise the are for our while securing their own interests because i think theyre not losing out there. I know that iranians are proud people but there is also a 2nd degree of satisfaction in taking your alamy for a ride trump wants a deal with iran here now that i know that Everybody Knows that why not let him having it on your terms there is a principle that you want a deal that is not a photo opportunity we have 159 pages of a tease its not a 2 page document that he can show in front of cameras and i think it is it is in everybodys interest im not saying it is only in our interests or only in u. S. Interests its at the it doesnt have everything that we wanted it doesnt have everything that the United States wants. Otherwise it would have been an instrument of surrender by iran or by the United States well you cannot expect the United States to surrender you certainly cannot expect iran to surrender so i think President Trump had what he needs. You want he wants you call a trump you call a trump but it is the best that can be achieved and this is and im not going to risk something that i negotiated i know how hard its. Im not just reading to get out something that was extremely difficult to negotiate to evaporator just you know order to satisfy some but you see but minister with all due respect my question is not so much about the americans but about these railings and the iraqis do you think its a good strategy thing its a clever policy of securing your countrys interests while giving your pardon there are adversaries something that he wants and at the end of the day afford all p. C. s that is not that big of a prize for securing and getting what you want why doesnt iran try Something Like that i dont speak for israel but i certainly dont believe that the United Arab Emirates got what they what they were their people had they gotten a bit talk to their mind promise a lot you know well how this is our promises promises or wards of you dont think that israel will persevere that sharing technology is giving up a change of boring arab neighbors into that. Israel im sure you hear believe that they will do that come on israel that our talent and money we cant go to the are they willing to take theyre going to buy that. I guess ok minister its always a pleasure talking to you thank you very much for your time and best of luck thank you and thank you for watching. Next week on worlds apart. Join me every thursday on the alex simon sure and ill be speaking to guests of the world of politics. Im showbusiness ill see you then. 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