President in exile right now are they pulling a white go here because i seriously doubt this would be happening if my own peo had made a phone call go ahead george well they are trying to pull a white go but of course the white bill case turned out to be a complete fiasco. And its clear that the trumpet ministration isnt terribly happy with the policy that it got stuck with thanks to the pressure from former National Security advisor john bolton so i have my doubts that they go to political why go over this. Because if youre going to give them. Is notable for all the absence of pressure from the United States and i say it has been actually taken a rather reckless an approach towards this and without. Pressure from the americans. I dont think this is going to go very far and i get it so theres already indications that look at shank o. P. O. Is very confident of himself and hes being his usual difficult self with with the russians feeling rather confident that the e. C. At the say you know mark is a i tend to agree with george and on top of it a look at chez khamenei made it very public particularly to 2 Russian Television stations that he is at least rhetorically. Officially open to some kind of transition though within the bounds of russian law thats that indicates to me that hes learned the lesson that he can stay but he has to start thinking of an exit here what are your thoughts. Lets see. Over the last few weeks what we have to say here barry says is an attempt by the west to east the case for the west coast resolution v. S. E. Ease and his hands his crew against some us presence and a use in the school a serious and a so all must say of course they are goes back many its own whos also sort of one color resolutions georgists or falsehood and free ukraine seashells on and for kerry songs for shells under fire and most recently of all ukraines few files and for saying but these tendencies crew a better choice was always going to fail why because the. Show to save the belorussian population rudolf ansels as possible the russian well they see themselves as possibly lawson family secondly. We should quit more accurately. Ease the facts or provinces the russians. Federation and we have seen that scene in recent times because the of Russian Ministry in tandem with about russias military has announced so you know who says poses wish polands ukraine and about 6 states to prevent infiltrates is from coming in for a necessary so on those countries and also Russian Special services working alongside Russian Special services have now identified its asian consumers all the west in most noticeably of course. Now the real question is or should he not will see isnt always going to what was he going to succeed and no what it has now done it is shrink friends russias position over lucas shankar because how did not change really interesting because then the unions say its all for gosh i. Wish rules which was formulated between yatsenyuk location cairo in the late 1996 would have come into being by now but look a shame color has so we get a sense chris in case of a helmet russia because look at shaker wants to be a presence of the union sites now that looks shanker has remarkably. President turns a person for assistance in france and that now hears it shows in every leverage so the kremlin to exercise oval office and so i actually believe that in this presently the west has actually placed an appearance hullo while i believe the materialization sooner than later of the union states well george but thats not why and the only game in here i mean and its one of the things that i get very frustrated with looking at the west your narrative is because its not about lucas its about the place that we know is. You know russia and its relationship with russia and as marcus quite correctly and in great detail i discuss this is a this is a single state ok at this point here and the problem has been is that its been looked at shank unwilling to implement every single phase in stage of that that he signed up to and so could this is the this is the unreported narrative that whats going on in india rules because its it is kind of a lucas shango problem but for very Different Reasons go ahead for yes thats right. There the policy before the election which was a hit by the e. U. And the United States was to try to foster as Much Division between. Belarus and russia as possible and that made a certain amount of geo strategic sense whatever it is makes life difficult for the russians nato the United States regards as a good thing buton as many headaches as possible but by overplaying their hand in belarus as moch as quite rightly point out. They have now strengthened the the bond between russia and belarus and youre getting the impression that out that the europeans are sensing the food supply policy and have trying to draw back because i do think its striking that the whole of this propaganda behind. You kind of scale and having all these attractive women around and over the propaganda to try to get oh this is the belarus that we want to recognize this is a legitimate government of belarus thats failed thats thats gone nowhere so it looks to me like we may be heading to was the preelection policy of well lets try to foster division but i think thats extremely unlikely to fail i think that i think that a train that left the station speaking about division that means if you look at the reaction of the European Union. Member states that the whole quite go scenario is its really been given a Cold Shoulder because you know were not going to go through this again i think we also have to point out is that the European Union as a whole has ukraine thick teeth i mean look at what the resources and. And time they put into ukraine and well they kind of got a you know a milk toast version of what they wanted ok because. The fundamental reforms that ukraine needs is not happening right now and again just the billions and billions of euros that went nowhere i personally think in the uk it so marcus i was how much do you think that plays into this kind of it. Give me some part of the europeans about this regime change playbook. Well here again this year he is nationally i was rifle to the United States in economic terms but also malaysia the European Union is a strategic friends an ally to the United States indeed if we can say that russians and excess i sure to some ounce will influence the e. U. Policy by can i use science to nazi files and food saying when america place sanctions on the Russian Federation because of the crisis in ukraine which incidentally america was also fall off the European Union. By 70 was very apprehensive about wanting to place sanctions on russia they say so that in the end the here being union it caved into the pressure phoned the United States and i think if we fast forward to 2020 what weve seen in recent times. Yes the European Union has says he player go in the past its simply the case at all and in the 06 a such a very dangerous countries for russian National Security how fast. Facility in 6. Minutes its career in the country but i think olson a lady that had and washington is responsible for what we have seen in belarus and i think the pace of the americans are actually going both ends and by then its high up in ukraine because yes ross analysis of money and be told its ukraine lost some ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the us and it has been ever since it came independence in late 990 but nonetheless ukraine has now is integrated and if the west has ukraine is the greatest. Policy challenge to the kremlin so i think the americans have chosen bones and by their success in ukraine they obviously did not do their homework so suspicions are not to understand that belarus is not you trying to have better risk as i said the facts are a province of the Russian Federation or you can put it is a russian can say x. Or its in her chart market that washington doesnt do its own mortgage they thats kind of an understatement because they screw up every step of the way here i think youre right marcus and you know washington is in bold but i think in bold in the sense that you think way to create a quagmire ok where 8 if you know russia has to take the burden here if its not a success and the nominal way its like oh he screwed up that neighborhood it makes the neighborhood unstable thats a victory for us which is a very cynical Foreign Policy go ahead george yet now that youve hit the nail on the head that peter thats exactly what the american think its. So the wait goes by the roast the americans will say well its a try out because its a headache for the europeans because its right there on the border its a headache for the russians. And so theyre well they might say yeah ok you know whats the solution more america because obviously shows that the europeans are unable to sort out their own problems so he was and its the same you know you see the same scenario played out in iraq and syria and libya and say ok its the oh hey no doubt. But what it is do is they been you even in all these cases you capture elites in specific countries ok and they even thwarted within their own within their own country and then within the union youre ok gentlemen to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that short break more discussion and some real news stay with our. Elderly before were talking to you all that technology should work for people. I robot must obey the orders given by human beings except where such orders to conflict with the 1st law show your identification we should be very careful about Artificial Intelligence and the point of view c is to create trust and fear. 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Ringback the be. Welcome back to crossfire or all face are considered im peter lubell remind you were discussing some real names. Ok marcus this goes to switch gears and talk about the strange case of natalee i mean the more we learn or dont learn about this the story here about the alleged poisoning of mr bali which is seen in the west as kind of the leader of the russian opposition to the political status quo i would like to preface by before i asked the question is it he hardly has much of a following in russia which no course western media would not tell their their audiences yet but it seems to be you know who are you who do you want to believe and i think says we only what. The origins of this strange case is about who you going to believe the russian said that this gentleman left the country with no indication that he had been poisoned and then german Officials Say just the opposite but at the same time not releasing to the public what kind of him from nightmare information they have that would prove that allegation so its kind of political football and its really more about Something Else that i want you to react to thats so far ahead. Oh firstly taste and there is no political reason for the kremlin to syria or want to assassinate around i why because its not how they sat in it in Russian Society is absolutely national stratus all Russian Society that is a luxury and alexina found it because he has to say but do you want to marry a russian man and woman as being a poor skull and all of the United States or someone who wants to return to how it was during the 1990s by which i mean subservient city americans so he has no sand in will so far amongst ordinary russians secondly there is no economic reason for the koreans who also assassinate no family because that was in necessarily jeopardize nor straight and the russians do not want anything to affect no strain why because a new strange comes to shes a very significant source of revenue for the russian governments friendly you dont have to be a scientist to understand that if someone nice place and waited for a nerve agent for example not in shock and especially in the confines of an aircraft then people who are around the person who is being poisoned on actually current city contaminated yes in that case and not passengers adjacent to him not carrying troops not the people who treated him well contaminates it. Treat it differently had a tentative assassinate about 8 y. O. Page so would they have to laugh at a child journey knowing that this is a species he can i suppose and so the americans without a leg he has been poisoned by the friendly it is absolutely prosperous nonsense there is no reason why the kremlin was once assassinated. Found he asked and on the whole i would say this to the germans if they are so sussan that newfound me was some of the senses of poisonous around me by using nothing short and cool to see the evidence of the germans to the kremlin wants us not allowed russian medical doctors and scientists to transition many of the German Authorities to share their matter when scientific findings wish the russians its a simple as this statement if you have nothing to hide then you have no reasonable sense in all shapes finds and with a posse i know that ice is what we assume your dog to be application surrounds you know how he is possible possible all alone going concern and Vicious Campaign against russia because russia is a superpower cannot its the americans and the british its lower yield george can he still spread out because its been this weve been all script files again ok let a lot of transparency here but lets get to what i think this is all about and marcus are meant to hear this in my opinion is my my conjecture is that this is just this one final attempt to. Derail north stream this is what this is really about ok and its putting the germans in a very hard place because Angela Merkel has made it very and shes on the way out shes made it very care very clear during this entire process that this is an economic legal agreement this has nothing to do with politics she said and she pushed it based on those 2 principles now and really whatever is behind this gambit here once the germans to break there were and break their agreements ok which you know i dont like the american civil do it in the drop of a hat the germans are feel very uncomfortable about that and i think this is i think the pressure is not on the russians pressure is on the germans right now go ahead george. Well yes and theres obviously a very Strong Division of opinion within germany you have the German Military and security establishment that is start really embed it in atlanta so they close to the americans. Integrated within nato. And they have absolute every interest in trying to destroy this though it strain to deal however you also have the German Business Community that stands to make a lot of money on this and they say its important to remember this agreement this not stream to agreement was a German Initiative it was a Russian Initiative i mean was it was the jury had a michael i yeah yeah exactly so the way its often presented in the media is as if somehow this is a favor for the russians knows the fate of the germans who have very Serious Problems with energy that made a complete mess of that and if you follow so and it is extremely expensive in germany so they really badly need this cheap source of natural gas so for the germans not to scrap this agreement would be a very devastating blow but the germans havent done what the british did over the script all of them of the british were very skilled at mounting a kind of Global Propaganda Campaign that went to the u. N. Security council and denounced the russians they organized this diplomatic expulsions and so on the germans havent done that its not maybe that the divisions are so deep in germany that are unable to do it maybe then the germans just simply are not convinced by the you know by the by the whole not only case but again its same with belarus its that whats striking is the lack of the driving force as yet that took place of the script outside johns havent yet mounted that kind of wild hysterical campaign that the british. Every day that the moment theyre losing the momentum if they if they dont continue or not and thats why i think that merkels pragmatism will come through shes going to say but this is just an economic i mean we havent even mentioned the consumers i mean thats a boon for german consumers as well ok since germany has moved away from coal and from nucular and marcus you know one part of the story when we look at north stream too is that why do we have these underground. Gas pipelines going through the baltic oh thats right because of what happened in ukraine ok i mean this is just so Foreign Policy chasing its tail ok you know it what with the the illegal overthrow of the government in 2014 is a it slipped. Ukraines strategic role in the Energy Equation of europe ok and so the russians said look you stop stealing it this is not for you and ukraine would use it as a political ploy to play everyone off against everyone and the germans the if the russians said no we dont need to play this game thats your game ok its more washingtons game too and so we need to consider why do these pipelines came into being in the 1st place because of the quagmire that was created in ukraine and then it doesnt serve europes interest whatsoever go ahead marcus. I think we may serenely schussel and that germany heavily depends on russia for natural gas in the freezer economy of course its industry but im sorry for the scenario german man and woman asking me and i believe 65 percent of germanys gas actually comes from some of the dislikes europeans 3004. 00 change was has a sense of place sanctions on russia strangulation because it essentially only in the interests of the German Economy of france is the only option in a coup de witts highest by early. Not in moscow and in twentys france it is not in the interests all generally known string to somebody. But of course the americans couldnt care less about a German Economy and in fact there is quite a lot to say they generally call many county because we wanted to be. The americans but i think also as well the americans are acutely aware and so of course its the kremlin that the russian economy and boss it is one of the largest in the quote is is not a die for us economy the russian they are russian economy is still overwhelmingly by stalin and history and defense exports and tensing serious scotland no shame to that is the way of the americans not the germans the americans trying to weaken the russian economy and ultimately trying to assist the c. N. C. The americans know what the weaknesses of the russian economy assy american states and youre in the late seventys in the early 1980 s. The weaknesses of the soviet economy and supply one of the reasons why reagan mbox on a massive arms race was associated because he knew the soviets a convo dont hate others and he knew much about politics in general the people around him year what weaken his forces the soviet union and that could bring the soviet union down and i think by trying to stop the no one stream say that that is the way or the americans trying to bring down the russian economy because they know the russian economy is still not to die for us from the latin American Economy or the british economy i can put it at the end of the day george this is you know and i think you know this this incident has really put into stark relief the importance of europe do they want to have Energy Independence or not do they want to have a say in their 8 and their Energy Sovereignty because it washington would love to have the europeans buy. And actually a legal fight natural gas at astronomical prices ok when europe for the most part is living in us territory and you want to the whole point is to get Affordable Energy liquefied natural gas is a blast 40 seconds go right so yet its yet another price that the europeans have to pay all nature in the west the alliance youre going to have Expensive Energy use in your interest not cheap energy but you will have expensive to get just like ukraine youre going to have. Refugee flows Economic Crises and so on thats your price still a loyalty to nato in the west the lines ok gentlemen thats all the time we have i want to thank my guests and in budapest and london i want to thank our viewers for watching us here r. T. See you next time remember. It was the. Woman in with the with opposed to some of this there were. Some from the federal law saying oh ok before. Last time we chased. Each one of them carrying 20 kilos d of drugs. Forced a fence down. They just stepped right. 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