Baltics ok because we have this pretend or recognize from. From lithuania i think it is this moment that they can all skya that she is the president in exile right now are they pulling a white go here because i seriously doubt this would be happening if my own peo had made a phone call go ahead george well they are trying to pull a white go but of course the white go case turned out to be a complete fiasco. And its clear that the trumpet ministration isnt terribly happy with the policy that it got stuck with thanks to the pressure from former National Security advisor john bolton so i have my doubts that they go to political i go over this. Because if youre going to give them. Is notable for. All the absence of pressure from the United States and i say to the united taking a rather reckless an approach towards this and without pressure from the americans. I dont think this is going to go very far and i get it so theres already indications that look at shank 0 feels very confident of himself and hes being his usual difficult self with with the russians feeling rather confident that he you see at the say you know mark is a i tend to agree with george and on top of it a look at Chang Khamenei made it very public particularly to 2 Russian Television stations that he is at least rhetorically. Officially open to some kind of transition though within the bounds of russian law thats that indicates to me that hes learned the lesson that he can stay but he has to start thinking of an exit here what are your thoughts marcus let me. Think over the last few weeks what we have to say here about very soon is an attempt by the west to east today for the west coast resolution v. S. E. Ease and his hands his crew against some of its presence and a use in the school a serious and a so all must say of course they were goes back many its own whos also sort of one color resolutions jujitsu falsehood and free ukraines who files on them for his songs for files under fire and most recently of all ukraines few files and for saying but this tendency if true a better choice was always going to fail why because well i mean were short of the belorussian population weve gotten cells as is possible the russian well they see themselves as possibly low. Family secondly. We should quit more accurately belorussia ease of facts or province of the Russian Federation and we have seen that scene in recent times because the Russian Ministry in tandem with about russias military has announced see you loose disposes wish polands ukraine and about 0. 06 to prevent infiltrates is from coming in for a necessary so on those countries and also Russian Special services working alongside the Russian Special services have now identified asian protocol consumers all the west in most recently of course means now the real question is or should he not will see isnt always going to what was he going to succeed and no what it has now done it is shrink friend russias position over shankara because how did not change really interesting because then the unions say its all for gosh i. Wish rules which was formulated between yatsenyuk look a stranger in the late 1990 s. Would have come into being by now but look ish and co has so we get a sense crease in case of the helmet russia because look if she wants to be a presence of the union sites now that lucia and her has remarkably and our president turned to the person for assistance in france and it appears that now here is it shows in every leverage the kremlin to exercise oval office and so i actually believe that innocent presently the west has actually placed an appearance hullo what i believe the materialization sooner than later of the union states well george but thats the why and the only game in here i mean and its one of the things that i could. Very frustrated with looking at the west your narrative because its not about lucas its about the place that we know is be a real russia and its relationship with russia and as marcus quite correctly and in great detail discuss this is a this is a single state ok at this point here and the problem has been is that its been looked at shank unwilling to implement every single phase and stage of that that he signed up to and so could this is the this is the unreported narrative that whats going on in india rooms because its it is kind of a lucas shango problem but for very Different Reasons go ahead for yes thats right. There the policy before the election which was a hit by the e. U. And the United States was to try to foster as Much Division between. Belarus and russia as possible and that made a certain amount of geo strategic sense whatever it is makes life difficult for the russians nato the United States regards as a good thing who in as many headaches thats possible but by overplaying their hand in belarus as moch as its quite rightly pointed out. They have now strengthened the the bond between russia and belarus and youre getting the impression that out that the europeans are sensing the food supply policy and have trying to draw back because i do think its striking that the whole of this propaganda behind. You kind of scale and having all these attractive women around and over the propaganda to try to get oh this is the belarus that we want to recognize this is a legitimate government of belarus thats failed thats thats gone nowhere so it looks to me like we may be heading to was the preelection policy of well lets try to foster division but. I think thats extremely unlikely the fail i think that that train that left the station speaking about division of mean if you look at the reaction of the European UnionMember States its the whole quite go scenario is its really been given a Cold Shoulder because you know were not going to go through this again i think we also have to point out is that the European Union as a whole has ukraine i mean look at what the resources and. And time they put into ukraine and well they kind of got a you know a milk toast version of what they wanted ok because. The fundamental reforms that ukraine needs is not happening right now and again just the billions and billions of euros that went nowhere i personally think and get so marcus on was how much do you think that plays into this kind of it. Give me some part of the europeans about this regime change playbook. Well here again this year he is nationally i was rifle to the United States in economic terms but also malaysia the European Union is a strategic friends and i i so you know i have to say it in days we can cite that russians and makes us im sure just some ounce of influence over the e. U. Policy by can i use science to nazi files and food saying when america place sanctions on the Russian Federation because of the crisis in ukraine which incidentally america was also fall off the European Union. By germany was very apprehensive about wanting to place sanctions on russia they dismiss a 6 but in the end the here being union it caved into the pressure phoned the United States and i think if we phosphor to 20 trends and what weve seen in recent times. Yes the euro. And you know his says he play or go in the past its simply the case that holmes in the 06 a such a very dangerous countries for russian National Security how to actually facilitate 6. Senate seats career in the country but i think olsen to leave the hands of washington is responsible for what we have seen in belarus and i think he said the americans are actually emboldened by this high amps in ukraine because yes ross analysis money cant be cold its ukraine lost some ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the us and it has been ever since it came independence in the late 990 but nonetheless ukraine has been our is integrated and if the west has ukraine is the greatest. Policy challenge to the kremlin so i think the americans have souls and bones and by their success in ukraine they obviously did not do their homework so sufficient enough to understand that belarus is not you trying to have better or worse as i said the facts are a province of the Russian Federation or you can put it is a russian consensus or its in her chart mark if you said that washington doesnt do its own mortgage they thats kind of an understatement because they screw up every step of the way here i think youre right marcus and you know washington is in bold but i think in bold in the sense that you think wait it created a quagmire ok where 8 if you know russia has to take the burden here if its not a success and the nominal way its like oh he screwed up that neighborhood it makes the neighborhood unstable thats a victory for us which is a very cynical Foreign Policy go ahead george yet now that youve hit the nail on the head that peter thats exactly what the american think its. So the wait goes better roast the americans will say well its a try out because its a headache for the europeans because its right there on their boat its a headache for the russians. And so theyre well and i could say yeah ok you know whats the solution more america because obviously shows that the europeans are unable to sort out their own problems so he was its the same you know you see the same scenario played out in iraq and syria and libya and say ok its the old i have no doubt. But what it is do is they been you even in all these cases you capture elites in specific countries ok and they even thwarted within their own in their own country and then within the union youre ok gentlemen to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that short break more discussion and some real news stay with arctic. Air will forward to talking to you all. That technology should work for people. 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Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business im show business ill see you then. Welcome back to crossfire for all things are considered im Peter Lavelle remind you were discussing some real names. Ok not because this goes to switch gears and talk about the strange case of natalee i mean the more we learn or dont learn about this the story here about the alleged poisoning of mr noel me which is seen in the west is kind of the leader of the russian opposition to the political status quo i would like to preface by before i asked the question is it he hardly has much of a following in russia which you know course western media would not tell their their audiences here. But it seems to be you know who are you who do you want to believe and i think this is where lee what what the origins of this strange case is about who you going to believe the russian said that this gentleman left the country with no indication that he had been poisoned and then german Officials Say just the opposite but at the same time not releasing to the public what kind of him from nightmare information they have that would prove that allegation so its kind of political football and its really more about Something Else that i want you to react to thats so far ahead. Oh firstly haste and there is no political reason for the kremlin to syria or want to assassinate a value why because no saudi sat in it in Russian Society is absolutely national i dont stratus all Russian Society they hes a loser and alexina found it because he has to say but you want to marry russian man and woman as being a fool is cullen all the United States or someone who wants to return to how it was during the 1990s by which i mean sus and city americans so he has no sand in will so far amongst ordinary russians secondly there is no economic reason for the kremlin so also assassinate neutrality because that was in necessarily jeopardize nor straight and the russians do not want anything to affect snow stream why because a new strange constant shes a very significant source of revenue for the russian governments friendly you dont have to be a scientist to understand that if someone sees poisons where for a nerve agent for example not in shock and especially in the confines of an aircraft then people who are around the person who is being poisoned on actually current city contaminated yes in that case and not passengers adjacent to him not carrying crew not the people who treated him well contaminates it. Treat it differently had attended to it so you assassinate about it why on a page so will they have to laugh at a child journey knowing that this is a species he can i suppose and so the americans without a leg he has been poisoned by the friendly it is absolutely prosperous nonsense there is no reason why the kremlin was once assassinated. Found he asked and on the whole i would say this to the germans if they are so sussan that newfound me was some of the senses is poisonous around me by using nothing short and cool to see the evidence of the germans it goes to the kremlin wants us to not allow russian medical doctors and scientists to transition many of the German Authorities to share their medical and scientific findings with the russians its a simple as this statement if you have nothing to hide then you have no reasonable sense in all shapes finds and with a posse i know that isis wohi a senior dog city applications surrounding a found me its possible possible all of our own going concern and Vicious Campaign against russia because russia is a superpower going to find out its the americans and the british just lower yield george can he still script files because its been this weve been all script files again ok let a lot of transparency here but lets get to what i think this is all about and marcus is our meant here this in my opinion this is my my conjecture is that this is just this one final attempt to. Derail north stream this is what this is really about ok and its putting the germans in a very hard place because Angela Merkel has made it very and shes on the way out if shes made it very care very clear during this entire process that this is an economic legal agreement this has nothing to do with politics she said and she pushed it based on those 2 principles now and really whatever is behind this gambit here once the germans to break there were and break their agreements ok which you know i dont like the american civil do it in the drop of a hat the germans are feel very uncomfortable about that and i think this is i think the pressure is not on the russians pressure is on the germans right now george. Well yes and theres obviously a very Strong Division of opinion within germany you have the German Military and security establishment that is start really embed it in atlanta so they close to the americans. Integrated within nato. And they have absolute every interest in trying to destroy this dont strain to deal however you also have the German Business Community that stands to make a lot of money on this and they say its important to remember this agreement this not stream to agreement was a German Initiative it was russia was a Russian Initiative i mean was it was the journey had im like i yeah yeah exactly so the way its often presented in the media is as if somehow this is a favor for the russians knows the fate of the germans who have very Serious Problems with energy that made a complete mess of the Energy Policy as well and it is extremely expensive in germany so they really badly need this cheap source of natural gas so for the germans not to scrap this agreement would be a very devastating blow but the germans havent done what the british did over the script all of them of the british were very skilled at mounting a kind of Global Propaganda Campaign that went to the u. N. Security council and denounced the russians they organized this diplomatic expulsions and so on the germans havent done that its not maybe that the divisions are so deep in germany that are unable to do it on me oh maybe then the germans just simply are not convinced by the you know by the by the whole not only case but again its same with belarus its that whats striking is the lack of the driving force as yet that took place of the script that john is having yet mounted that kind of wild hysterical campaign that the british. Every day that the moment theyre losing the momentum if they if they dont continue or not and thats why i think that merkels pragmatism will come through shes going to say but this is just an economic i mean we havent even mentioned the consumers i mean thats a boon for german consumers as well ok since germany has moved away from coal and from nucular and marcus you know one part of the story when we look at north stream too is that why do we have these underground. Gas pipelines going through the baltic oh thats right because of what happened in ukraine ok i mean this is just so Foreign Policy chasing its tail ok you know it what with the the illegal overthrow of the government in 2014 is if it slipped. Crane strategic role in the Energy Equation of europe ok and so then the russians said look you stop stealing it this is not for you and ukraine would use it as a political ploy to play everyone off against everyone and the germans the if the russians said no we dont need to play this game thats your game ok its more washingtons game too and so we need to consider why these pipelines came into being in the 1st place because of the quagmire that was created in ukraine and it doesnt serve europes interest whatsoever go ahead marcus. I think we may serenely schussel and that germany heavily depends on russia for natural gas for its economy of course its industry but im sorry for the scenario german man and woman asked him and i believe 65 percent of germanys gas actually comes from god so your dislike of germans 3004. 00 change was has a sense of place sanctions on russia strangulation because it essentially only in the interests of the German Economy of france is the only option in a coup which highest seen by early. Not in all states and in twentys france it is not in the interests all generally known string to say. But of course the americans couldnt care less about a German Economy and in fact there is quite a lot of safe they generally call many county because we want to be. The americans but i think also as well the americans are acutely aware as so of course its the kremlin that the russian economy and boss it is one of the largest in the quote is is not a die for us economy the russian they are russian economy is say were overwhelmingly based on energy and defense exports and 10 sincerer at scotland no shame that is the way of the americans not the germans the americans trying to weaken the russian economy and ultimately trying to assist a c. N. C. The americans know what the weaknesses of the russian economy assy american states and year in the late seventys and the early 1980 s. The weaknesses of the soviet economy and supply one of the reasons why reagan mbox on a massive arms race was associated because he knew the soviets a convoy others and he knew much about politics in general the people around him year what weakness was the soviet union and that could bring the soviet union down and i think by trying to stop 100 stream say this that that is the way or the americans trying to bring down the russian economy because they know the russian economy is similar not to die for us one like the American Economy or the british economy i can put it at the end of the day george this is you know and i think you know this this incident is really put into stark relief of the importance of europe do they want to have Energy Independence or not do they want to have a say in their rate and their Energy Sovereignty because in washington with love they have the europeans by. And actually liquefied natural gas at astronomical prices ok when europe for the most part is living in austerity and you want to the whole point is to get Affordable Energy liquefied natural gas is a last 40 seconds go you have to ask the right so you get yet another price that the europeans have to pay all nato and the west the alliance youre going to have Expensive Energy use in your interest not cheap energy but you will have expensive to get just like ukraine youre going to have to have a refugee flows Economic Crises and so on thats your price the a loyalty to nato in the west the lines ok gentlemen thats all the time we have i want to thank my guests and and budapest in london i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time and remember asta. Both. Of us. Last time we chased. Each one of them carrying 20 kilos d of drugs. First offense. Then they just stepped. In it through i mean. This is for me. I dont know maybe theyll. Make or. Break right. Now well. Look at the believe it you sneer those who really can show you. That im surprised though. Its. Good to see. The. Spirit. Was more than you know you. Could. See. Ringback the russian president Alexander Lukashenko the meeting at. Here in russia later monday it comes after another weekend of opposition rallies in better was with hundreds of arrests being made. Other news brits enjoy one last night of partying before a crackdown on gatherings over 6 takes effect in england scotland and wales. Great is dont tell people to go out there now but. The German Armed Forces a poised to roll out special military ranks in the name of gender equality though critics say thats the least of the