Understand that their president would make a cut and move a bad judgment but in this case hes basically saying well i lied to be you hoping it was in your best interest but it was certainly in my best interest so he looks worse today than he looked at 2 days before the book came up absolutely why bob woodward you know well but other than that because its a hot piece of. What effect do you think it will have on the election. Its going to bring the pain demick back to the center of the debate weve lost that for a while because of all the racial unrest that had taken the place of the pandemic but this is going to put the pandemic back on trumps plate i dont see it explains that. He doesnt want this were in the last some of the election and naturally biden is going to use it every day he should use it at every day. So you know theres never been anything like this right larry never. Never never well theres been nothing like trump in our entire history thats what i mean this or. This is more in stream than the normal so yes this is something that i just cant explain i cant explain really other than Hillary Clinton however one of the votes were counted today would biden win absolutely it wouldnt be particularly close today i realize that things can change but how do you get around a pandemic i just dont see it and the economic problems how do you get around them in 7 weeks when hes counting on law and order right and scaring people in the suburbs yes and theres no that but look. Well it works some places it may work in wisconsin though you dont see it in the polls yet. You and i lived through Richard Nixon and we remember his use of the law and order issue which did work for him but he wasnt the income but you know the natural question for people to ask is why isnt donald trump handling the problem now hes the incumbent hes in charge. Yeah hes saying the elect me so we can eat we can have more law and order but you are responsible for all of them right now hes running like hes not in office. He always likes to be pretend that hes not the incumbent it just doesnt work hes been in office for almost 4 years. What do you make of the flack now about him as the calling soldiers who have passed away and war losers on suckers. That the Term White House has done a pretty good job fighting that because they produced 10 or 12 people who were there with the with the president in france who claim he never said any such thing however i think most of us realize given his pattern of attacking john mccain and his pattern or calling people losers and suckers and hes clearly said it before when when he and his chief of staff john kelly visited kellys sons grave his son was killed in war. Trucks said something very similar to john kellys so you can easily imagine those words coming out of trumps now and that makes it tough for him to refute this and it infuriates people yeah one week that one surviving member of the family said well he signed up for it yes its signed up for ins latter guy he signed up to fight for his country in oh but as he gets away with things larry that none of the politicians youve interviewed over decades could ever get away with ever. Why are why out is he doing it. He made an emotional connection with tens of millions of americans who were mainly blue collar who felt they had been cut out who werent part of the conversation and because he made such an emotional connection with them they will forgive him anything either they believe him that he didnt say it or they dont care that he said it its what and the other they always Say Something like well he isnt a politician really hes president of United States he is a politician what do you make of his attack on the pentagon brass saying you know he loves the troops but not the brass. Hes had a lot of fights with the pentagon brass because he is not respectful as he said during the campaign i know more than the generals how many times did he say that i know more than the generals and they know thats not true and hes insulted many of them personally hes gone into the pentagon and said terrible things to his own generals insulting things well that has a price trump really wants the votes of the rank and file now riginal he had 70 plus percent support the best soundings now are bad basically 5050. 00 you still got half of the troops but thats a thats a real come down from 70 percent is it true you know all about this that his standing with hispanic voters is stronger now than 4 years ago. It is its mainly because of cuban americans mainly in florida that cuban americans believe that he is strongly anti Castro Castro has been dead trees here but you know a lot of the older cuban americans larry when you go around and talk to them they Start Talking about the the bay of pigs it was april by 961 theyve been managed democrat since j. F. K. In the bay of pigs i dont know how youre ever going to change that other hispanics are much more problem like could we have an election similar to 4 years ago with the popular vote winner being the loser yes i hope it doesnt happen its terrible for the country if it does its going to encourage violence because twice in a row you will have had the popular vote not producing a president but it could happen because the Electoral College has gone over here and the popular vote is gone over there and thats thats half the problem. Or about the theory you know better than any one of socalled secret Trump Supporters they say the polls a myth missing these people who really had not saying wait what theyre about and then on election day well vote for him. There are some of them they dont say theyre from by theyre not theyre not lying in telling pollsters theyre going to vote for the other candidate theyre the people who say im undecided actually theyre very decided they voted for him 4 years ago theyre going to go into the polls and vote for him again as come allow us help the ticket. I think she helps i dont think a Vice President ial candidate ever produces a victory the exception being Lyndon Johnson 1960 for j. F. K. But she helps them i think shes popular among communities where turnout was a terrible problem for Hillary Clinton and biden has to make sure that minority communities vote. Polling is your business are there too many polls. Actually i would argue there are in the key swing states i like to do polling as which most people today do we dont rely on this poll because we think its great or that poll because we think its great you wash out a lot of the error in polling when you average out the results thats fine nationally but the popular vote doesnt mean anything i want to see more polls in michigan i want to see more polls in wisconsin and pennsylvania and arizona so that we can average them and have a pretty good idea of whats happening how important is the upcoming debate. Much less important than most people think its the end of the the vast majority of people dont change their minds in debates they tune in to cheer for their side its like a sporting event so and the democrats come away saying my guy won and the republicans come away and say my guy won so they really dont change very much larry youve been doing as how long now virginia ive been doing it since the 1960 s. Well its been a long term larry. 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To use the book with this ghost is going to have those with use of the police using the media of course. In this president ial election cycle both democrats and republicans claim to be tough on china but does that actually meet in fact what does the American Public really know about the china today on this edition of the program the attempt to separate this. Joining me now is Republican Former congressman bob barr of Georgia State with double ballin concerns allegations of wrongful voter rolls and lots of others he was attorney general of the state of georgia and he was the libertarian partys president ial nominee in 2008 hes in the lab all right the big news of the day of course is trump admitting that he knew the coronavirus was very bad but he wanted to protect the public so he led them down a different path what do you make of that. Well i it it doesnt surprise me i mean theres a lot of balancing that has to go on whenever a president says something about something as consequential as a as a pandemic and initially i dont think a lot of people really understood including the experts exactly how insidious this this this virus really was so you know the president i think was trying to balance the need to not create an iq but not also Say Something that was not true so that that you know gives people a false sense of security its a very fine line there you know im not sure that he really got it exactly right but i understand what he was trying to do what about the reports that he called american troops losers and suckers at a world war one cemetery that makes no sense to me whatsoever and the timing of it of course is very suspect 2 years after the fact i think it is or at least a year and a half after the fact for this to come out you know trump has a very blunt sometimes over the top way of putting things but i cannot imagine that he would Say Something like that in a way that people you know including people that might use it against him could overhear i mean its one thing to say that you know to your spouse in the privacy of your own bedroom its quite another to Say Something so over the top when other people are there so i discount that that makes no sense to me larry ok last month you blogged that teaches who refused to return to the classroom because of call the 19 should be fired he said they should stop acting like scared bunnies and grow up. Fired if theyre worried about the health of their children and themselves. I dont think its so much that they should not worry about their health and their children certainly they should but as we were saying here in georgia to simply say well because theres a Health Problem rather than take reasonable measures to ensure that teachers administrators and children are protected reasonably we just wont have anybody come to school and instead will rely on Distance Learning which by any measure and according to all the experts ive seen is not a good way or a complete way for children to learn my point is larry that there are certainly ways that children could be brought back into the schools reasonable measures be taken to protect them and teach them at the same time rather than have them sit at home month after month after month and not benefit from the in classroom experience which is invaluable to their kid to their learning experience the a. C. L. U. s released a report that says georgia likely removed nearly 200000 georgia citizens from the hotel rolls have the wrongly concluding that these folks had moved when in fact they never moved at all. Well there we do have in georgia a process that the secretary of state or some sponsible for to ensure that the voter rolls are cleaned up on a regular basis and if people move and are not receiving information if they are not properly registered or if they are registered in 2 different places for example if they move in then register to new address it is a legitimate responsibility of the secretary of state to correct that whether or not there were mistakes made im not sure yet id certainly wouldnt just take the a. C. L. U. s word for it but certainly its worth looking into to make sure that the process was done properly are you worried about november 3rd you were about the election what might happen mrs votes wrong votes panic in the streets im very worried about it larry when i see whats been happening so far on the streets of many cities and you sort of extrapolate from that how angry people are going to be regardless of the outcome of the election on november 3rd i fear for the safety of our cities and our citizen really people are are so angry so viscerally angry right now that anything could happen and im very worried about it and the anger is on both sides and that yes sir it is its its its very its very toxic ive never seen anything like this i had you know grew up back in the sixtys late sixtys and early seventys going to college and saw you know as you did the weatherman and the Symbionese Liberation Army and so forth but it was never this ban across a broad swath of our society and it doesnt look better on the horizon does it. No because already. I guess are you know already sort of laying the groundwork for a dispute in the Election Results and even if there may be problems in terms of vote counting or ballots received late the fact that both sides are sort of indicating that theyre not ready to accept the result of the election leads me to believe that were in for a a rough november do you think people would deliberately vote twice go to that trouble of mailing in a vote and go and avoid the just say that will be a very few. Well i dont know how many how many it would be but i certainly as a former prosecutor know that people are capable of pretty much everything if they really want to accomplish something so i wouldnt be surprised if we see that happening and what numbers i dont know but this push for universal mail in voting bothers me a great deal and i do think that it is rife for potential problems why. Well because you you have so many steps in the process when you have people go to the poll and vote you have basically one step that person is going there their identity is verified here in georgia by a government i b and they cast their ballot if you have millions of ballots malad out in advance to whom you dont really know whos collecting those how theyre getting dropped off when theyre getting dropped off there are so many more steps in the process and every time there is a new step in that process there is the potential for error or deliberate fraud. At a rally in of carolina President Trump urged his supporters to gather the polling places and monitor the election won them do expect thieving and stealing and robbing use aboard that well i dont think that kind of rhetoric really helps here in georgia and i suspect in most states larry we do have a system of monitors at at polling places in addition of that back when i was the u. S. Attorney here in atlanta and i know the department of justice continues this process you have u. S. Attorneys in every district in the country who are tasked by the attorney general to monitor elections to make sure that there is no fraud from the standpoint of civil Rights Violations for example under federal law so i think that its important for people to be to be aware of this but leave leave it up to the authorities at the state and local level to make sure that there is proper monitoring at the polling places i mean we dont need to have been giuliani monitoring so to speak. Bob and seems likely that in your state judges 14th Congressional District is going to elect republican module intel agoing and avowed cua nonsupport a president from has called her a few joe republican star what do you make of her. I dont know her personally ive met her ive seen her ive listened to or you know i certainly read the stories that youre referring to there and many others about some of her some of her beliefs in statements. There are there are there are a little bit out there no doubt about that but i dont know her personally larry. Youve endorsed incumbent g. O. P. Senator Kelly Loffler and georges nov 3rd special election law for cohens the w n b a team and criticized the Womens Basketball league for making black lives matter such a big part of their a season. I think i think that sports to the greatest extent we can larry ought to be or politics ought to be kept out of sports whether its the Womens Basketball league whether its the n. F. L. Whether its Major League Baseball you know it it really has become unfortunately very very politicized and i think that is that is something that takes away from the love of the sport so i thought i really dont like to see the you know sports move in that direction whether its black lies matter or Something Else i would much prefer to see politics stay out of it. How is the term blood lives a matter political well it is political because the leaders of it are both marxist and very leftist and they are making it very political they are involving themselves deliberately and anti trump activities they are making statements that very clearly are political and i think it really has very little to do with black lives and has everything to do with politics matters nowadays but you would agree that black lives do matter certainly they do and the lives of every Police Officer up there matters but i dont think that the organization itself is doing a service to the lives of black people or anybody in this country because they have become so radically politicized or anything is going to happen on of a 3rd. Oh man i know it is it is so difficult to gauge larry i think that right now i think that the races is tightening somewhat i do think that if the unrest in the violence in cities continues i think that that will be very much on the mind of voters and unless the Biden Harris Team comes out far more strongly than they have already to condemn the violence saying it once or twice doesnt really cut it i think thats going to hurt them unless they come out very very strongly against this sort of violence and rioting and looting that weve seen how about the president s weaknesses though. Now the president s weaknesses are himself hes his own best best. Reason for voting for many of his own worst enemy i think his weaknesses he needs to. Talk less and act more and act alone more president ial are you worried that there might be big problems on november 3rd. I am i do think that there is great uncertainty even now and i think that with the unrest and the violence that weve seen in the cities i dont see that decreasing or diminishing before the election and i think it will increase unfortunately. Do you miss Holding Public office. Some aspects of it larry i do miss the work that i was able to engage in while i served on the Issue Committee in the house its very important work and right up my alley a lawyer and former prosecutor but i dont miss the environment nowadays in washington it is so on pleasant its just sucked all of the enjoyment out of the work up there and thats very unfortunate bob thanks for being with us we always appreciate your thoughts thank you larry thank you for having me and thank you audience for joining the on this edition of politicking remember you can join the conversation on my Facebook Page or tweet me at kings things dont forget to use the politicking hash tag thats all for this edition of politicking. 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