The mainstream liberal media and im pointing this to r. C. Right now is. Grabbed onto systemic racism and then and thats part of their mantra and the case i suppose could be made for that but the phrase i cant repeat that resonates with me because i think that talks a beyond race its actually a class issue with the ruling elites do not like to to frame things in terms of class and i think nick did a very good job of doing that and im coming from this from a complete servitude perspective here because watching the elites in washington bail out the richest people in the world i think they were are no chance these people are going to go under here and im really disappointed with the g. O. P. I hope theyre not going into the lame stablish when democrats would need to put their toes didnt believe in helping working class a little better ways is its good policy is good. Oh it takes but its not happening r. C. Go ahead well i think that there is no i you know kerry sure exactly could have done a better job but he got her active so i would but shes a wire for i think americans below a lot of americans. I think if they got few 1000. 00 you probably still see these protests if they had gotten 3500. 00 you probably still see these protests i think that its highly academic and a little bit of spin in nature to say that this is now to turned into a class struggle i think in actual quality what youre seeing is youre seeing are radical groups doing a very good job using issues as a cover for their motives and their decider justice and. R. C. And her well can be true with the same time would you agree both could be true at the same time because. There. Is theres a perspective theres an Older Americans who are you know still in a little bit of Economic Experts say that it is nearly predicated on a g. O. P. Bailouts that would appease the american system it is a bit misguided in my accent i think. I got in trouble of the amount that they did yet i still think youd see protests and i think youd see protests not necessarily because of cost structure but because these are you know one of the worst errors and. You know one for america were an equal i think its making the claim that this anger is because of what the g. O. P. Did or didnt do is really a footnote to a whole of this year i think that in let me go back to nikki i mean this is the neal liberal model of being judged in and being judged by iowa why a rate of members of society i mean we went from. The apparent murder we havent had a complete due process year of an unarmed black. Man in many many outlets now weve gotten to riots all across the country and i think it is left that that specific tragedy and it is being people are expressing an enormous amount of anger because the system isnt working for them it has nothing to do with one check or a 2nd check if the system isnt working go ahead nick. I agree the system is not working for a ball. And i think that that cannot be overstated when you have so many people in poverty at this moment and you know when you have for example for even those who when there was a there for example there was a freeze on. Foreclosures earlier you know early on in the end amec a couple months ago but that freeze was temporary and so that is going to become you for example and you will see thousands tens of thousands of people get kicked out of their homes just like you saw in the Great Recession i mean some of the figures that i brought up earlier about a 3rd of americans with children not being able to order food anymore i mean this is a reality this is why i describe this as a state not being able to provide basic services it goes beyond that and what i want to add to this is the fact that you cannot continually tell. I think a people who have lived through centuries of slavery bent a century of jim crow and following that Mass Incarceration Police Brutality prison took for a school to prison pipeline and then say that somehow ah after decades of that one peaceful protest has not worked best somehow they are the problem or an expression of desperation that is happening now across the country you set it up very well and i and i understand the argument and its Campaign Compelling in many respects but lets go back to our see here im sorry i will have to disagree this kind of looting and violence is completely unacceptable it is against the rule of law it is it turns into a hobson war of everyone against everyone and and i find that a. Acceptable and you know watching a nike store being cleared out that has nothing to do with what happened in minneapolis again anyone it makes that claim is wrong ok now im im agreeing with the nit with nate in the sense that this is a systemic issue and its being fought for one thing so that agree with you r. C. On that i want to talk about m. T. V. A little bit later but thats why i asked the question in my introduction because the protests in a right go ahead us well see if i can and i think you know nick i think you and you are perhaps a good service to the Democratic National committee writing these are talking points use i think the way that nick is trying to construct a reality is exactly what the far left wants you think they want you to think that this is all about racial inequities in our country and they want you to think that this is a had this kind of mindset that america is a Current System is a prevailing mice and among most americans well guess what it isnt like americans were serai. Or d coronavirus was unleashed. However it was. From the east so i dont think that america is a failed state when you look at failed states like i dont know places that were stabilized by drugs like high goal or perhaps by sector green a horn of africa those are felt states what happens and what happens and chatted up and in europe when someone really needs a surgery they come to the United StatesUnited States provides much more than what is needed thats much more then ever m. R. So sorry are you americans are doing fine whats happening right now is not a result in justice in america it is simply the result of as a result of the coronavirus and a desire by a status meant our last hours to create a kind of tension in america to create a kind of you know kind of an environment where you know. The talking points he talks maybe get a couple a swing voters to vote just for me than how they voted. Arent you guys and 16 and oversight and our stupid back and some you know are all you know over or expand your business as usual so i asked so that the meal liberal project that has not is not party specific ok i mean theyre all in on that ok and this the clever biker audience i dont think the democratic establishment would really give mick any time of day because i speak as a concert and this is much against the g. O. P. Establishment as i am against the d. N. C. Because im trying to reimagine politics here maybe a progressive im a conservative but i think we can do it because the people who are separating us are the ones that want us to keep us separated and dont want to talk about a reasonable policy its a lots been said here nick go ahead jeff. Likewise. I actually left the Democratic Party in 2016 after watching them cheap Bernie Sanders and after i didnt work on his campaign actually lobbying that the n. C. Members to try to persuade them of the kinds of things that i was saying that was the job i add on that campaign and so if that is it they heal it or a project is a bipartisan projects you know you have seen for decades on end that working people have not gotten a rise the minimum wage in real value in 1968 and so that is consistent through democratic republican administrations both parties that helped all control of government during this on their bill clinton we are with the democrats across obama with democrats as well and that is basically why im working with an organization actually called the movement for Peoples Party who just was out with a major new progressive up those already in the United States and that has nothing to do it with the democrats are taking her to get away from both of them because so much access and a in office able. R. C. How do you respond because the interesting thing is if it and again in principle i would agree with nick and everything he said it just how he would get there thats when we get into the minutia ok and thats fine i like politics i like debate ok i like to honest people ok now people are constantly lobbied to you in the new style because up to the do best. I agree i agree that tempted you see i agree with everything you said but i dont think youre on so youre missing the point for me re neo liberalism is a bipartisan project and so is anti trump and the reason anti tribalism and you are some are similar is because that trump is a popular strong were a National Conservative we were not trying to find a lot more in common with Bernie Sanders populous voters. You know and and dance media center. Democrats so youre right no one who isnt isnt like our government is the action that i think. I am an interest from trump on a bipartisan members obvious hours on end up quite strong kind of nuts like trump is able to you can actually read it. Because national it was grand is something that speaks to both parties antiestablishment and you know a lot of what i mean you know. There is a major. Pain on our sleeve is that i would hope that donald trump would be that taking the lead in dealing with this crisis but no he let congress do it and i found that really remarkable that he didnt want to take any responsibility for that i gentlemen im going to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that short break you know our discussion endemic and its reaction and writing in america. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to a guest of the world of politics sports business im showbusiness ill see you then. On the back to you guys and report the Summer Solutions series next as was daisy harbor and today were going to be talking about the banning selves of money sovereignty and self custody and stuff reliance joining us very quickly will be jamison a lot of the stuff cost of. An entire village in alaska has had to move if another country trying to wipe out an american town. We do everything in our power to protect the. Water then scraping climb a tree. Poses the same threat right now alaska seems some of the fastest coastal erosion in the world we lost about 30 feet. 35 feet of growth in just about 3 months while we were measuring. The bass and happiness of the river isnt 30 closers how. Long was a year or anything were part of a 1st for the proud. To. Welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered im hearing about to remind you were discussing whether United States is becoming of their own state. Ok nic let me go back to you lets go back to a topic but it was just touched upon in the 1st hour of the program minutes on t. V. And thats something that really really irritates me here and there is ample evidence now video footage of these a professional troublemakers from all over the country invading communities and just causing a ruckus and destruction and were being up all kinds of emotions when we dont need that right now because you know i say this to anyones support and cheaper is that whatever you do where every human do it you her or and working people ok and theyre very selfish these anti people and they are i would say the antithesis of what they claim to be they have a very sick mind its my way or the highway how do you respond of course there are people attempting to wipe the crisis but so focused on those people its to do now i think the job. This that actually created this systemic problem and its a beginning whether thats what i would say ok ok but it is so you would condemn though their tactics and their behavior of course and there are those who are exploiting the crisis to do by law and loot you know and that is that that should be condemned it doesnt you know it doesnt necessarily have to do with george lloyd there are people who are using it you know as there always are you know just like i mean but at the same time if youre going to condemn that you know i mean you have to condemn the conditions that created this in the 1st place and i think we agree there and you also have to condemn those who exploit crises on orders of magnitude far greater than it is like exploiting coronavirus asked the base up or transfer of wealth in American History i mean the reason i keep it really kind of is that its a special court with me nick is that the the middle class has been looted for 40 years ok they have experienced that here and 2 wrongs dont make a right because our see i am very in phatic about this think the number of stories ive been told from people that are in the know theyre up ended and many out was a firefighter or i dont know if he was active or retired he was going to start his own bar for the community and it was supposed to open up on monday today but hurt the ground. And i think it was an africanamerican on top of the class a race should matter but i mean theres a who or person to pull himself up ok addict you think that he and then you have these thugs to go burning to the ground he didnt have insurance hes just out of luck ok this is what your mean by this type of behavior because this kind of behavior is unconscionable under us is very and counterproductive r. C. Its very counterproductive and you know when you have something that i actually said a few days ago and now i do what not many people do you have. What it meant that i was wrong is a go i said. He condemned commuters before we stop the hooter a prerequisite is arresting George Lawrence murder and guess what he was arrested days ago and already has continued under the worst so. In addition to the man how you ever went to all of our. House oh theres no room for your trunks to get beaten down by a man with a wooden plank i mean we can continue to say before we can get back we should also condone violence i. Know a lot of time has come. Down and and recognize that this just isnt happening on the ground the discussion. On top and you out in america is being signed shocks hijacked by whites isnt just popping by and and in the streets its also happening i had small roles when it comes to the span of a narrative and went on being spied on by the establishment media to make this a class struggle well and that was they want to make it into a race struggle and i dont i dont buy it and im americas original sin is racism ok and itll its something a project it will have to work on for our entire existence but its there if you like but i insisted i go back to nic here it is much more of a class issue here because there are so many myths and many more people in public need to think and looking at the reaction to the coronavirus and now the tragic events i have just come to the very same conclusion that the elites no hoper had any answers for the problems that they have created you know why because theyre just insulated from those problems ok i mean they can or are Mainstream Media all cable you know you can have all of these you know these a talking heads on t. V. Talking about how sad and poor and terrible things are theyre 2 all earning 68 years they go back to their gated communities i mean its almost as if theyre watching a Netflix Series you know and just waiting for the next episode you had. It is as its really. The well the richest americans millionaires has increased by 434000000000. 00 during this crisis and so you have a section of society this happened and this also happened the 21st that separates off from the rat this is during you know during the gilded age or thats why when there was massive inequality right before the depression and the stock market crashed and black to say that set it was like an american a stock aristocracy and that is whats happening again when you have one family you go out and am like that as the wealth of the bottom 43 percent of americans and their consult and theyre using this crisis to consolidate even more well then you do you have a segment of society that is no longer connected they do not experience its not only that they do not live the conditions of the majority of americans the mass of working class americans but they no longer even experience them or come into contact with them in their own lives like you mentioned they live in gated communities there are varied around either. Limousines they go to you know there are. The glass op you know massive glass Office Buildings you know in steel skyscrapers and they never have to see or encounter the ramifications of the kinds of. You know im including members of congress here senators you know the average of which is above a 1000000. 00 and well and many of whom enrich themselves in the course of office. They never have to see earth experience the consequences of the laws that they passed down the brunt of which is borne by working people you know her see if i was just astonished and go by the fact. When the lockdown started been you know 1st you had the markets crashed and all the. Which of course is a subset of all the oxygen the markets and all the markets dont really have much into the average person ok most people are not invested in the stock market it is they put so much attention into it ok and then when this stimulus or aid package is i mean i just find it astounding the. Treatment that the richest people in the world the richest concerns in the world the treatment they and then we have both parties is 2nd guessing the maybe we have to wait and see thats more the g. O. P. Being and then you have the democrats its not their christmas list a bit is every kind of special interest they want and most of it deals with local allat exposed bass majority of people are sick and tired of it seems to me that the political elite on both sides of the aisle they forgot some really simple things like most people go ahead r. C. Look i definitely agree that there is an error and that there is no you know sense in the air that a lot of americans are still looking at a lot of younger core not only one percent but you know people who are rich people who you know seem to have the ability to other americans the other problem though is that a majority of those kind of. Our most they are largely and still courts will be and are you know you see on t. V. Every day from these mass protests right so i think that we should question on those motives and ask ourselves why are people at the hands of our all the celebrity creating all these funds for individuals wired to continue to drive this chaos and number 2 we need to remember that remember it was doing fine before this lockout if anything this isnt an indictment on america as a state this is an indictment on globalist must own exterior and i think this is what trump and you know conservative populism this is what the mess that youre trying to get out this is what you hear when i talk about you know you know reinstill an hour in the america all of the problems of wealth inequality you talk about what happened remember what happened. We never want to give in china and are going to translation status in 1990 but one who isnt talking about the clinton years theyre all anti trump and all and i just kind of wait for opulence there so youre absolutely right there isnt a critter if its at a mosque or Rick Santorum stock market and that animosity is is actually. Getting momentum to the National Movement and you see the trunk reach you crito are counting which uses well ok oh i can say is china didnt steal one job from america it was americas elise that sent them overseas ok i mean this is what you just played thing its just it again its part of how to divide us this is what you know me the left the traditional left and the traditional right theyre always looking for ways to bite the majority of people i actually believe the majority of people actually have a lot of Common Ground and would have 50 percent 51 percent agreement but its a its are pathetic Political Parties that never want is the habit of a real debate ok because somebody put something money in your car going to make a telephone call or putting your son aboard in the company in ukraine and you know it the the elites have just separated themselves so far from the average person they have no idea how we feel what were doing it when we need hell they dont seem to have the tools or the brains to react to go ahead. He goes beyond that i dont think they are necessarily in control of this system to the degree i dont you know this is a system that is built you know capitalism on unlimited growth you know. And of course on a finite planet that has i had resources you know and dishes who are working people and you know working people do not have infinite amounts to give you know there are certain physiological. You know you need a certain amount to be provided for in order to abduct to eat more to add shelter in order to outflow that i mean basic needs Education Health care and those are the levels that are being exceeded now you know and youre seeing mass loss of people who used to be considered you know in the middle class in the United States dissolving into the lower class and so this is something that was happening before around a virus anyway and now i would disagree with r. C. But that trump is a populist actually in the sense that he actually represents working people i mean for someone for a reality t. V. Show billionaire to have a man and brother billionaires in its administration and have of course signed off and gone along with and advocated for the kinds of Bailout Program that we saw that was we absorb. Or a Small BusinessBailout Program you know what were seeing now is a massive consolidation of corporations unlike anything that weve ever seen in the u. S. And its going to be absorbed it run out of money as r. C. I really wish i were an economic populist when hes president only as all the time you know what i think my guess would be an exe and a great and it would make their viewers for watching us here are p. C. Unix not remember. The. Crazy. He just took out the syringe and. Made a shot but harry. Potter ive been waiting for the moment of complete and total societal collapse i never knew would happen this. New york alone. 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In this connection the moment you ask him should i ask for the last company and seeing antimilitarist today for the match. Commission. Branches just shoot on disk in the. Least you. Know your new car so said im not going to march to the mama just our. Opposition leader her fellow citizens to keep up the pressure on president Lucas Shanker with more strikes and protests. The news russian opposition figurehead election of all need is in intensive care after falling sick during a flight to moscow to say conditions to frangela allow him to remove the broth for treatment. So the u. S. Secretary of state for me to request a resumption of un sanctions against iran accusing the country of violating the 25th Nuclear Deal Even though washington put the grievance 2 years ago