Species and its their lives to bookworms like yourself just as not just to everybody else now i heard me say a couple of years back that work especially a fulfilling work wearing down drinks not just income but other crimes of great vacation will one day become a luxury and i think that nowadays any kind of work is actually actually a privilege especially coupled with a monday to restrict actions on social and mobility how much longer do you think states around the world can afford to maintain that no government in the world has an interest in keeping its citizens flock to opt so they have that virus will go by this still rules and restrictions will remain i think its a. Scare idea the governments of the world are very much interested in lifting this restrictions but they are evidently and recently. Doing this in such a way as to provoke another wave action i think we shall worry about the oncoming level of poor see that will be faced by millions and millions of precious citizens and people all around the world this will be temporarily. Restaurant sounds coffeeshops will come back sarah says it will revive but some jobs lost will indeed be a lost forever to those people who lose that. The advantage is also working for the state evidence right now because these people receive their salaries. But why is the staying at home period will be over this advantages will not be over this state has been primarily a job giver in russia since well since since a long time ago but just because im 14 the number of people directly or indirectly and debts owed to the state for the s. L. Race has grown it will likely grow even more the course of the table work places will be scarse and this is not a very good saying well as the mill state is it is in a good shape right now and regardless of dire political system and i would claim that this is perhaps the most consequential catch 22 situation when there are simply no easy solutions but i also see a lot a lot of discontent and building up around the world and the notion that this states around the world with very very few exceptions what prioritize how considerations often very limited group of people and were talking about 10 to 15 percent of the population who this virus of claims about only the die how considerations would be prioritized over Everything Else given where we are right now gee think it was ultimately a good call. And part of their courage is to you know to these people on the pedestal and ignore Everything Else take place and they arent of the day this is an issue of priority everything has its costs and cannot be the jat lists all the governments of the world have been acting in a remarkably similar manner as you know it is no matter whether that democracy is all talk process and this for Political Science this has been one of the remarkable things to watch and to analyze the matters have been very much similar even bill is just lace them and that in that and a ploy employed during this weeks crisis has very large similarities so its not the question also although horses being more a factor in a democracy has been more effective rather rational to rewilding in the same. This similarity rather should tell us that this so various governments have the reason for acting like they act even though its so great an economy and what would be the cost. Well. I already say before that the reason the wide you know states around the world were compelled to behave that way or to react the way they reacted was because of the appreciation in the value of human life and i take a major issue with that because the save lives of obit 9000 patients a likely to come of the cost of many other lives we are talking about you know either patients who rent able to travel well lifesaving treatment abroad were talking about. Domestic abuse which is likely to have increased over the stressful times were talking about people who lost their livelihoods or mental how because of this a deal when you look at the human cost of both the endemic and the response to it comprehensively is it really such a humanistic response isnt it actually saving some and more safety in the other. We can ask each of the long term consequences because we cannot we dont know what would this situation be enough there were no restrictive measures an act at all imagined. And then it all go away and. We dont need to imagine that we can look at some example of sweden and it is clear that at this point the number of fatalities. Is slightly higher but its not overwhelmingly so i mean we have some indications that at least you know case in areas that many people were painting and many scientists were painting and submitted to the government it may have been overstated i guess i kind of does a touch of that medical specialist or even liston economy but i must have an issue with a swedish example dont ease not conscious that did nothing about that and what im is a country that did not employ legislative restrictions on its citizens until speeches all School Restaurants in stockholm are as a misleading their words and government will advise people to stay at home and a lot of them did and they are also connected to the fabric of social life in northern countries is different from the conflicts so they do have a kind of course but its uncommon dasent its not is not absolutely a great idea but its far more did very response down the blanket ban that was imposed are. Recommended in some countries now when i was thinking about it you know what into my mind is the culture of this socalled phenomenon safe it is and that we see in some u. S. Colleges which creates a moral hazard for College Administrators to overreact to every complaint from a student and we ultimately imperils agitation and Critical Thinking and i wonder if together with this common 1000. 00 pandemic were also witnessing the outbreak is not all departed governments when they think that its better to be saved and story even though distraction. You made us say. All right youre going to say for a while us the last thread on story evolved on the kind of consequences that that calm. But when i was saying and continues to say that this matters. Around the world has been the consequences they have high value of human lives i was talking exactly about that there is a dark side even to a little higher cost of human life because even poses it imposes a certain duty on any public government so it cant just say lets let life go on as a den of the sick will get sick somebody will die will try to help those women who will read or not with the business as usual that isnt possible they need to share that they take a stance and but be it in addition you feel on your even if this is costly. Rationally but then thats the only outsider i fear and i dont the time including on the russians they dont channel these kind of argumentation but we know that this is a highly discriminative a virus it goes primarily after people with preexisting conditions do could likely be sick and that you know type 2 diabetes is the prevailing disease among the population and i dont understand i havent heard anyone are clearly why do we have to isolate everybody of growing the economy to a halt instead of isolating this is to decrease the population at least have the highest chance of and in that ending up in the Emergency Care units as opposed to everybody else who has either very slight or no symptoms that told you im a very wrong person to put this question to but what i say. The circumstances lets watch the consequences thats what were social site is do lets wait till the end of the war on time measures and see how they call an eerie bounce in the healthy economy of a rebound maybe quite speedy and that will will say thank you to it is democratic and then on the credit government that you told glenn to trust your actions that killed elasund. The noble cause and im going to sound everything came back normal effects of this will serve as a kind of. Accelerate search to an economy crisis or in the context of nation that has already given its weight and thatll be a whole different thing in jesus christ we are in that you know kind of and all that and all the best all we do know how they virus but we also know how. Economics the nation for a little that was there before and we shall be im president the oil. Crisis which has not even began to take real consequences we will see for example a sequestering all solid federal budget we will see the budget deficit and well see if theyre necessary inevitable cutting off sounding of budget the risk and the already melon society as a whole is expecting their well take so how well you did before you turned into a full fledged prophet of the our callouses lets take your very very sure that i do know that not only because the we have seen this things before we have some right that if you want some real or a colleague take process you used to i could name a few names. So here you are people thats what you need. So i am getting very noticed. I will definitely be interested in exploring the spill but after a short break lets take a moment but we will be back in just a few seconds they can. Disregard them just because their spirits going to go. Vols. For a cure most of them in the early 1970 s. Helmet can play a psychologist and nixon would just propose to the west but incentive to social experiment wanted to live paedophiles adopt and care for neglected boys experiment was. Dont work or. Dont. Want your kids in your world dont tend to believe that sex with older men would help with the boys socialization over 30 years many children were handed to back up paedophiles to raise us to mention who pushes a little harder to go to the dogs in years or go to work which until we can do the most work rooms or you can just hope for gerbers or someone to go through. With. Welcome back to worlds apart from the key to getting the show going that russian political analyst economic just before the break were talking about how common 1000 is a highly discriminative virus which primarily goes to people with preexisting conditions and speaking specifically about type 2 diabetes and other its a ball of disorders i think at this point it is absolutely clear that they. Are in the area that it otherwise would have been and even before these are dynamic beasts kind of diseases south. Is easy is also a lifestyle well radie bankruptcy public how care sector is in many countries because of their. Cost for example just in the United States theyre in the federal budget goes into medicare and about their death medicare it is child of diabetes now the question i want to ask you is have. The prevailing social norms of the time being which tree how to turn signal is she getting down to a sustainable social norm at a time when society that expected to make such dramatic sacrifices to treat diseases that are easily preventable we do not know the virus goes off so we have a lot of data by thats data so far will be able to fully judge only when its over and 2nd i would not describe any disease as its looked at although of course there is a connection between the old way of life and the way are sealed as also in genetics. Inclination or does inclination towards a disease so its not a thing you can blame a person on for having having made though those 2 of those deployed 2nd proceed to your original questions balk me august the 6th type of privacy and this is our this is very interesting thing and this is my kind of thing because its social and its political. By a policy or by of politics the way the state or society offer all the needy all the lords and early on and on who the lord interferes so on direct your physical. What things are and what. You doing. With your body what was a body off your loved ones with your children how far can a parent judge for example when dont look to vaccinate their child. Before that weve been all of this. Liberal drop off our my body my decision and if i harm myself a way of making this decision if yes again its not wrong its melting isnt the fear with me society even liberal society made after their chav parents are really. Course on the one hand a we to perceive the family as a castle as safe privacy at the same time we as a society cannot tolerate the full parental power over a child the power of other from merely a small aroma base as we do interfere our society and legislative systems interfere but it comes to face all Development Well this jail house now this is the logical say for to is perceived as a kind of probably good to be defended by the force the full force of the lawyers forcing states its interesting how this things will develop but where we may be sure the thing will develop maybe we will see for example for moments a risk in Public Places as a customer a thing as we have now those safe its a restriction of the measured service and now were what we got years during the last 20 years that reading search area search oh yes we go straight. To airports at any public location maybe well see the same kind of frames that will measure our got a temperature or maybe you are an arab by the way because this is one of the. Major factors risk factors allo still diseases including comet 98 its a major risk factor it is going away what you put in your bio. Is not going to be on li your decision or is it going to be at least inquire the matter of society because and the end of the day you ask a society to pick up the bill for your ram expound in later years well you may recollect how the number of scandals rob so its a recently about high prices for airplane tickets 14 waiting over. And it was it was a whole host of public questions whether companies have the right to charge a high price is what its such a thing with its discrimination on offer and now its that that was an innocent debate in the. Us so. That the question the real question is the question off policy measures how do you. Things that you think beneficial for society and people who are waiting more again as sort of a. Cigar or do you know if you teach him Healthy Lifestyle and teach every a school child to cook for example and in this way you try to make us a science it helps that you may not be the whatever line between the line between christmas and democracy even make it into a distinction between the talkers in democracies and yet to me know that democracy is on base from. Paralyzed i mean the challenge you raise in the United States from call it like to these the highest in the world and its the highs in the states with the highest rates of obesity and i heard you say recently that consumer is we just dairy directly related to the consumerism is here just a comment 19 is going to is not going to kill it and understand just consumerism is a sick mix of well likely and perhaps mentally. Compromised individual that requires a lot of services when we talk about the value of human life is that to really be conduct live that we have to cherish that me ask you aspire to protect beyond of the United States which means a lot spends a lot on how care is on the verge of bankruptcy how carries on the verge of bankruptcy because its not sustainable their doctors quite. About dementia as 3 diabetes because many diabetics go on to develop dementia and if you imagine you know this whole population of diabetics and people who are children will have to take cheryl i think its a question of intergenerational you know solidarity and sharon its why should our children take care and pay for our excesses you imagine i always children the general generational. As just this is the sort of very Healthy People who want have any disabilities themselves and our children are the beneficiaries of this society which allows people to survive which helps people with various sorts of disabilities to adapt to the comment course of society so we cant be going back to a start and since you feel when you were born. With a 100 percent says that theyre not going to have what he can also get im sure a solution of personal responsibility and stating that you owe your own good how to not only to yourself but also to society because at the end of the day this is an easily preventable problem you know we cant talk about authoritative psyches but not authoritarian can actually control what you put into your mouth its only now control if it ensures very where you you know like you change a lot of money both to you and the state and also make people understand that this understanding who youll meet and dk tional program not as system of fines and on the police measures that was my point yes the society is going to be well and while diverse also in terms of house and sounds of your name were not going to change that were not going to have an area of the long healthy young people were going to have a lot of people on that a healthy. They are our competitor its now also citizens that they stay or send workers they can trade. Its a society and they demand side of things to side from the side but they also contribute so this is the reality we are going to lead and were not going to make everybody house but we have as you say makes a sides have by by as i would say indicating that i would very much argue in favor of changing dedication and progress even in gardens and in schools the younger of the children the better we do not teach them enough well we dont teach them at all meaning i am there and its functioning well theyre all the body and the importance also as you say what you know their house i think i just think that every child should be taught to cook and every chance will be what what is a house its what and what is not and what is jack for what he should years and what he should have we are now and very we have and were these so called stay at. Regime which is not really obligatory but in the end of the day everybody many people seem to comply with it i wonder how disciplined you are in observing the city hall recombination. I strongly suspect im being disciplined is rather crude alleged being able to get severe disability or to be able to comply is rather privilege than a virtue i can do that i have. To i have some how i have certain resources which do not make my situation materially tragic so i can enjoy having my children with me and they can study alive and we have enough devices so its not something that i did by my or by and accept ourselves and i can do all that i can imagine people with different jobs bus drivers to share her. Medical work as cannot able to comply with this restrictions so im sad for all that and i will and ill be able to do this for a few more weeks even is necessary to my own house and were. Well being a society like everybody else i do hope it will be over and like everybody else i will be even more thankful when i will be able to meet my students and their son because the conference is all very well but its not teaching well it is teaching but its about 25 percent of what it should they i do know how to see that they have and the will come back. And i dont know just the day and id be able to come to do your studio and you know there are some instead. Theyre looking forward to it but before we say goodbye just let me ask you one more question because if you know conversation to say the russians is complete without quoting our great quote under pushkin who. Once when he himself was under quarantine of the milks or worse down cholera even though he himself turned out to be very productive. Own seclusion unlike what here are i dont think were going to try to any problems. Well and thats actually my question of whats your personal recipe a young baby apathy add. That so many people are complaining about these days and isnt that one of the challenges of this isolation regime that faggot people regardless of their circumstances theyre struggling on the mental and psychological. Wistar of our conversation with me. That theres a quality of intellectual work although its so varied and if you dont but the quality of intellectual work is going down in the absence of a societal compact a so what else yes will we do a softer end of the product that. Offers from the consequences of what i do is i think what they want to also is doing i try to my scan you know place i have my Google Calendar we sure as my life so i try to go to bed at a reasonable i work i even started doing some sort of exercises which i never did so i just seriously this was. All this kind of thank you know what i did or yes keep it is actually back to the responsibility it is this year have to keep your immune system in a good shape winds your cash the virus runs you mean that 90 other series they yelled at you i dont care youre a enjoy it unless they actually do it as a camp having my family are with me is a great help my children seem to enjoy the extra day dont have to go to school and back parents would that solve a day seemed rather to like it as if they are expecting a battle we cant. Well you can tell its always a great pleasure talking to these kinds of isolation its doubly said thank you very much for being with us today thank you and they healed told watching so they helped me take care of yourself and help the syrians next weekend. The sudden forced and illegal takeover of a government by a small group. So rather than revolutionaries or soldiers could that small group be cooperation when you have a tiny group of people who have all the power you have to have some means to make sure the rest of us dont get together and talk about. Police or sacrifice some. Places that capitalism exploited and destroyed for profit and left behind misery poverty environmental devastation and so. No you see things like Voter Suppression building more prisons you seem gerrymandering all sorts of undemocratic practices. In that world the wealthy world. The us economy was booming growing numbers of people were made homeless. You can work 40 hours d in a week and still not have enough to get housing everybody believes america still is the land of opportunity the reality of were not financially equality and the lack of Affordable Housing for a living minimum wage gave many people no choice though thats been a problem with the city brunos turn around and told me stay away id almost. Consider that there is no answer because the answer requires resources the most vulnerable are abandoned on the streets to become the invisible comes. Huge antigovernment demonstrations are still being held in the better russian capital after last weekends contested president ial election which saw a long time president Alexander Lukashenko secure a 6th term in office. This person has been in power for 26 years. And doesnt want to let it go. To rallies have also taken to the streets today in support of the beleaguered president. I support Alexander Lukashenko i wasnt forced to come here this is my personal choice. And in the stories that shaped the week here in our city russia begins mass production of its new vaccine claiming it is a world 1st of many scientists around