The lives of martin movement. Visionaries was coming your way in just a few moments well be here in the studio taking you through the global headlines to join us again that. The commissioner is me Sophie Shevardnadze the quranic crisis and the need to rethink the way our societies function. Around these im joined by one of the worlds most influential thinkers large interest law for. The legendary philosopher author of pandemic colleague 19 shakes the world ive been wanting to talk to you for the longest time welcome to our program. I do. And i know what you dream beyond these are going to make if you are just too much or with these are both let me be rejected it. Is less so for and this i remember during last years samus debate with jurgen pettersen he said that humanity will continue to slide towards some kind of apocalypse until some major catastrophe awakens us yet these print demick be categorised as successor theme. Not defunding just sad but if one did wed. 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In the desert an organized way to be sharing talks to construct a our ira message that were never going to own that to what we used to call our where all right enter at or isnt all that you say that things that certain practices can drag on for years and some places may never end yeah it is the same color 99 they know again i dont know i dont know what to expect of vaccines and so on i am. I think what one of these should mean is something catalyst and i wonder. If you have this then in beijing but in context that they follow those my own standard i wish to be honored. Is if we get something we are small in florida getting something today that people of color. People and others seem to die of ghosts and looser hogarth of the dangerous and so on and so on and theres no dont want to deal with heat in date go well in my own country to have. Even these days now and you know bandied about the influence people who dont many people or dont wear masks even in shutting the restaurants they do i noticed they were adequate if youre in the know since eagle ray only knows but even below. Here said. You know its so rare games. Again these. I am afraid off of course i did. Say. We always we mean. Quite. The study for the present you know as to what. They say to you a lot of fruit yes Somebody Just to bring you food and so on and so on so what im saying is that eat eat may get a little beat bad we make. Our lot. That is dead this is weve got to be a. Better man and state and then we will shift to change our way of. Inclusive. If you look at it from the outer side and your research the other centers are well im saying its a permanent state and yet when you say the prevalence say for many. A time it could be done one dead certain but oh yeah man this is something that we need to get used to im just our hobby. Youth economists raising this thing that happened because maybe less lunch time that we need to stop and think where are you going to go. I didnt get any deals here although i dont want. To you know i was saying. That and i always say if you think like this the march industry goes i only say youre going to justify the cost because we dont go across probably you know stay those you know know what it is they still should be but this is true i would. Think that the same this didnt happen you know with it mate much more easy but all about the danish and. The Security Council so should dangerous and so on we travel over ladies here. Mean its not just what he does. Indeed since i totally agree with your it could be i wouldnt say. Something that treated. This issue of yours ok so theres another question people dig deeper and way except the fact that the crisis is permanent its a permanent state but after a while because a permanent state is no longer a crisis and as soon as a threat of virus is accepted as the new normal this as a urgency and the need for to change is done how should societies keep the determination to ask upon the change a life equal except the crisis as the new normal 1st is this if we accept i think we have not yet dead is the ash and we shift you know it will be ok but 1st its not just the guys it could be the norm. Here he said melissa be ready ations we can lower the danger and join in so on the basic research we just did the economy. That is going to lead us into war they slowly. And i think we have. The. Dream. When we dish might be over guess what we have school except it be demeaned. By a lot if you go by ok me good day better event we share this slow shoot because. Society leave me cynical extended. 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Places that capitalism exploited and destroyed and left behind misery poverty environmental devastation and so you see things like Voter Suppression building more prisons. In. This. And were back talking to last person. Like you say this is not just like economics or paradigm crisis its also a psychological crisis what we see is a set of people out of the streets demanding an end to like a massive corporations are bad guys we have people out there manning and to certain issues and Police Racism around mandatory wearing of masks and force isolation what needs to happen in your view for peoples protest energy to the it into a path of fundamental social change. I only hear the best english if you ask me as though i was some of the stand and she dont think that now because all of these energies will come to gather. Again she goes i. Economic trouble. Again space using 6 years are. Dead. And you may god progress of movement and so on and so wrong. Side is that we said hey ive long been a. 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Couldnt we just to be decided by the police i dont mean to be Straight Police decided i mean there there should be. Good. To go to be sure to keep going through a storm and latest we need shares care. Must we need. To hire this be done again the problem the screen got here you need a bully degree. Its no longer my or my takeaway were saying when you masturbate hospitals theres that that could be just as a massive Global Response to tackle the pandemic but when you say when even you conning isnt i dont always understand because to me for someone whos lived half of our last in common is unlikely to communism is a great idea but it just doesnt work when applied to people so you tell me what exactly does that entail when we say were meeting economies and what exactly is it well sure fiasco yes. Certainly it doesnt indicators you were centers community in soho and so on working days is just something that even go to center these schools that are just full of these remember our stand. 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And so on and so on but we none of the nish need what we just are using economy when you say they need commies and you know you have a market economy but it is a political economy as well it makes sense of course for me has downfalls because there is much less freedom but you know i guess then you have to choose what what kind of a 3 dont you know here that are believed to be the let me see your low lady made this famous spoke for you dont yes but for whom and so on and so on you know i always seem to get it. Its a lot you know western liberals think meat free dont do question the choice in this initial free indonesia. Or do you later stage for an orchestrated on the scale a bloody decent group goes dead this is many precious. Sleep dont should all this so mean. The despondency of power and debt somewhere. 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But correct me if i were wrong and you now have used them they had the notion of the war and this is what i want to ask you about because postwar relative stability always rested on a social contract that implemented imply that citizens pay their dues while government is keenly improving the Living Standards now this crisis has completely highlighted in haifa and all the issue with social contract with sirius is that we paying their dues in calm as having nothing to hear back what will be any the governments of the walls do now to regain the trust of the public because its not going to be easy not going to be like before anymore what can be done to regain that trust is what i am afraid and if youre scared to think spatially in the United States is that you know i dont think these shes bad but didnt give me a so go. I mean to go back to sort of probably just democrats there was some kind of base bubbly. Or i would say. We do a gate they gave us come to d. C. But. 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