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Last shot sometimes is that is death life or death for a film and for me ive been running after that light when when the sun sets in the afternoon Late Afternoon or early evening you dont have any more like to shoot or you have to go to artificial light which is no good for me so im always running to get their list lets say its 4 oclock 6 oclock in the afternoon in the latest fall in i have 3 shots i want to get to finish to see if i dont get them i cant i have to rethink the scene quickly it puts me under maximum pressure the kind of movies i mean there sure were low budget most of them were pretty tight on the budgets always so i didnt have a lot of days to asked it was the opposite of Stanley Kubrick if you want you mentioned life and death because in this book its very apparent that after painting as amazing they were a man take a picture of your parents and theyre meeting in the shadow of world war 2. You literally seem to be almost suicidal in your in his. For it too far to say for death of the me rejected for an all to enlist i explained that in detail it was very painful for me i hadnt i had lived a magical life for 15 years in new york and in france my mother was french my father was a soldier colonel in world war 2 in marriage it was a beautiful but here they never belonged together they were im the product of that its a contradictory relationship between 2 people that has haunted my whole life and by writing the book i understood myself better as being torn between these 2 and im the child of that divorce and i try to write about what a child of divorce is like he sees the world in a different way he sees the world as a lie i mean what people are saying about themselves is often a lie as we know from governments as well so i grew into a. Young man who was very troubled and you have to admit adolescents are not in those days were not they didnt give them space we were not considered full and also i dont think it was attention was paid to the to the problems of adolescence they continue to this day in america we have a record suicide rate for young people of 1920. Record and may countries i gather that this is a growing problem because theres a lack of Spiritual Life thats what took me to this place of fatalism and i said i want to go to war i want to see what its like at the bottom i dont want any favors and if the gods my destiny were intended for me to take me they would take me i would test myself against them and i did i didnt complain when i was there i got wounded twice i mean i did a lot of fighting i saw a lot of combat. When i brought it on myself i wasnt whining about it i felt like i was lucky i survived and if you saw a picture in europe or the end of it i found a meaning to my life in that war which is to say i really go on and teach what i know to others good teach goodness and teach experience teach the good things of life that i can garner that i can turn on and thats what ive done to the best of my ability one thing ive done which makes me very proud and its really i documented the war before you people knew argue with me about vietnam through other sources and when it came to films and pictures it was the pain of the american saying in the in the deer hunter but you do say that he killed people and we had maybe stop the rape of demis girls but you came back knowing the lie i just want to skip a lot on a bed to midnight express because the Prison Industrial Complex is something we talk a lot about here im going underground fact we say often that the United States imprisons per capita more people than stalin or mao why was midnight express not just about what happens in turkey if if mr and what happens to be watching to try to make it or unsuccessfully at the turn but when i wrote me to express years later this was in 1970. I come back from vietnam in 68 late 68 i had been thrown in jail myself for federal smuggling in San Diego California and right after i came out of vietnam i was carrying no some marijuana from from vietnam because it was good and i was smoking it on a regular basis i learned about that over there. And i was busted with it and thrown in it was a federal slowly charge very serious but increase and i was with 5000 young people blacks spanish manic americans and a few white drug people mostly old drug crimes nonviolent but they were being severely dont with at that time it was the beginning the very beginning of the war on drugs nixon had just been elected he ended cleared that war yet but he was about to so we were the 1st wave that i could see the in the injustice of it these these kids most of them were coming from rough lives they didnt want to go to vienna you know they they were boarded at the best of their ability but many of them were drafted they made it they were trying to make extra money on the side and that was the way to do it there was a system that i saw in america which and of course i was lucky because my father got me out of jail with the with with money there was there was class there because yeah you came from a relatively wealthy family meant your. Speech at the Golden Globes which a recount here which alas i guess is not on vimeo. Some people may dont know that the amazing speech by tony montana in scarface where he talks about the corruption of society it was partly inspired by your own speech on the Golden Globes with chair of the film people he liked said no you call her that if i can talk like that my anger changed from there because i thought hollywood was hypocritical about. She at that time in the 1970 s. There was a lot of cop shows we shows on the air they were very popular successful and they were very simplistic the drugs were bad cops were good people were going to jail and i was protesting that system and there were a lot of those producers were in the room they were making money off this American Television has prospered on the idea of fun foresight years about the media about criminals and dances it resulted ultimately in the Clinton White house and the crime bill thats put 2000000 people behind bars most of them not most of them but a significant amount or a black man Joe Joe Biden of course joe biden being the leading democratic contender for president proud pasts of his mass incarceration record joe biden goes along with it with the crowd he is thinking is not original in this regard. Even bill clinton did so i mean and Hillary Clinton they created a lot of his problems but thats another story but my anger was based on the hypocrisy and tony montana suggested that you know drugs in america has the biggest appetite for drugs you know what because i think where theres a spiritual. Spiritual shallowness about america creates that need for a new film i felt victim to it too and not to be hypocrites and it was. Definitely i i had my problems with it my ups and downs with it including cocaine after midnight express and winning the oscar i made to him which i think is an interesting film to watch its with Michael Caine who was excellent in the film but it didnt succeed the box office said that i was i allowed myself to be shamed by the general into feeling to money period there that since it is all about scarface and itll be longer because i dont know whether theres any truth in it that some prints of it that are released dont have the female castro bit at the beginning and some people try to appropriate it you talk a bit about how well again you nearly lost your life in research for or for scarface but how in allowed you in a way to do salvador because some people saw it as a you as a person who understood violence and others especially in miami saw you as a as an apologist for female castro because it was a film about the impossibility of the American Dream arguably. Yes. Yes scarface was a was a take a satire almost on the american materialism that was prevalent at the time tony montana comes to this country and he is a free man you know thats the way hes a gangster but hes a free man and for that reason i think he was a admired and appreciated by a certain class of people. When the film 1st came out the white or it was either you know beat or whatever you want to call it did not like that you did not review it well the crowd that came in new york city where i was there were as black puerto rican latino and white drug or white druggies id say you know that was the initial audience for the show it only grew through time. Because its the dialogue stood out because now to cheat us before and sort out and that and Brian De Palma made it really wonderful still grander like a grand opera you were saying you know no i couldnt get off the route that i was in love with violence that i and i argued back in the book you know that i was exploiting violence in midnight express and in scarface and this and that kind of the bar or conan the barbarian here or the dragon i understand and i write about that i wouldnt i didnt direct the films but i really put on paper real violence in my head i mean i have seen a lot of violence in that time in get and in other merchant marine too and i was trying to and in the prison i tried to reflect the real life that i saw i just couldnt as they were there were scenes and you mentioned i mean for those in the know tell you a assassination in washington d. C. Of the high end as ambassador in washington some are smuggled in to scarface how is it that i wouldnt have any way a person voted reagan would you dead didnt know what was going on in Central America and then end up creating salvador are going to be one of the greatest films about u. S. Intervention in the western hemisphere. When i researched scarface in 1903 i did not i did not go i did not know Central America because it the connection was from colombia to miami so it was not about politics for me at that point i did throw in because i had a political bone in my body the end a murder from 76 the chilean. Ambassador it was a very outspoken critic of the of the regime in chile which was fascist eat was bombed and killed in a car 3 blocks from the white house or so it was outrageous so in my mind i made i combined that with tony much and it being the it was supposed to kill him but doesnt kill him because tony has a conscience in the end about family and so it becomes an involved story the message didnt get out and it wasnt understood so what im saying is when i did i dropped out of the business essentially after 980 i was you know i was dead no water i was just a screenwriter living in a broader in new york so i wanted to get a make a movie and in one necessary deal with hollywood i wanted to write make this movie salvatore and it was based on now i had gone to salvador with Richard Boyle who was a great journalist but an oddball journalist 20 it was intro to countries hed been in lebanon and in ireland hed been everywhere nicaragua salvador and he had a story in salvador with a woman and it was a fascinating thread for the movie he took me down there i saw enormous amount of corruption i saw a pathetic situation in Central America where all the reformers teachers the unions were being busted were being oppressed they were the ruling class was old aristocratic families owning all and youre talking about the eightys and you know as he was coming from ecuador from bolivia the whole people had to mars johnson he recognizes in venezuela. Maybe they havent seen your film that film salvador has anything changed since those days you think. Im not up to date on but it seems not it seems that whoever is in worse shape or send it i think what Hillary Clinton did the intervention was a disaster and why does america keep intervening in the wrong for the wrong side in all these countries is a very good question for history and we will be we will be held to account of the but going back to the south the sounded or story we got that still made i mean i got into the fascist Party Headquarters arena major bob who it was responsible i believe for the murder of our tradition romero i go almost to meet him i was supposed to meet him but something happened but they gave me their cooperation because they love scarface in other words i was getting the car operation of the desk lights because they loved scarface for having balls and being what they thought was a fascist youre almost done ill stop you there after the break more from all of us tone on intellectual neoliberalism an alleged attempt by Henry Kissinger to stop platoon from ever being made and why his next project returns to have j. F. K. Assassination all of them all coming up in part 2 of going on the ground. Well the pandemic no certainly no borders and is blind to nationalities. As americans we dont have a therapy we dont have a back seat the whole world needs to be. People. Judging. Come in a crisis like this. We can do better we should know. Everyone is contributing each in our own way but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever the challenge is great the response has been massive so many good people are helping us. It makes us feel very proud that we are in it together. Welcome back youre watching going underground lockdown edition im still here with all of a stone discussing his memoir chasing light i mean if anyone thinks its easy making movies this book isnt off of them because it clearly shows it isnt but how how seriously should we take the accusation that the military Industrial Complex interferes with the distribution of movies as you seem to allege you dont going to very much detail but you talk about kissinger there in the shadows Henry Kissinger xander hey i mean they actually acted to interfere with me that i think they did because well its a 2 term story im in the im in a bad moment the end of my career so to speak i want to be can you ward so what im 30 in my thirtys at 3839 they take everything i had all my resources and i plunge them into south to make this movie for no money now this is very difficult because there are 93. 00 speaking parts i mean to country cus its over i have tracks or starches murders assassinations civil rights im shy to include everything its remaining dollar budget and i keep it in started that started 300000. 00 but it would have been a disaster for me it would wiped out thank god it was an englishman who came in it was john daley with him do you read salvador and put 2 and he asked me literally which film do you want to do 1st of all or he was even a boxing promoter at the alley fight in the congo no american studio would touch the show either as a script to produce or as a Distribution Company of john put up all the money nobody would do it this is disgusting to see is all the studios to which all the studios would say well we were an interest in the film an artistic merit had you know i endeavored. Not just its a past but this you know if you think about it politically this is a film with revolutionary sympathies which was totally against i guess the America Great real revolutionary ship where the west wing were the heroes of the film. And nobody would touch it was a crane to experience painful i cant tell you it turned off the projector in the middle of the film it was too violent too sexy too everything the film only going out because john stuck with Johns Company distributed and not not to Great Success or anything but he also at the same time said oliver go to the philippines make sure to he had that amount of confidence in me i went to the philippines on the back of salvador and i made this low budget movie little bit more money with the best of my ability to get it for 56000000. 00 as opposed to 3. Nobody expected anything i mean it was i didnt i was happy to make it but you know theres something very disturbing in this book when you talk about salvatores reception when you say salvador didnt make it to care this side of the this this side of the ball and i think one for serving as you say a creeping intellectual neo liberalism in the in the 1980s i thought a sense or as identity politics drew an idea of what what constitutes politics just explain that a little because of course that debate is here about Council Culture and all the rest of it and that it isnt the car culture of George Orwell that didnt inspire it here but theres Something Else going on that the violence and so on get confused and somehow you mean we saw jonathan racist even though what youre saying is actually on team perry last. Well actually as Franklin Roosevelt said i i was a traitor to my class. The idea here is this is a speculation i was making in the book about europe changing because the old europe that i knew from Charles De Gaulle time grew up a lot of the time in france it was much more independent they were separate countries they were not into a Common Market de gaulle was very independent and tough with america he through he exited nato as you remember so when he came along and neither all was a socialist but you could feel i felt that there was. When reagan came into office in america that was a breakpoint that was a beginning of a reaction to the liberalism of socalled of jimmy carter etc and john kennedy and reagan took it back to a worship of the market in any cost get rid of the unions get rid of regulation same as trump kind of thing and free up the whole thing it would do Better Business everybody be happy well its a nice idea and to some degree my father of course believe that too but not to the point of reagan my father you mention him earlier did believe in a regulated capitalism and he would not have approved of this breakout that happened with reagan in fact he called reagan a dope and my father started the changes as a result even and i said our men and now he thought reagan was miss and was brain back the cold war when there was no need to bring back the cold war it once said you know what difference does it make who got who how many arms you have when you know when a soviet when a soviet nuclear sub can be off long island with one you know and do so much damage to our country its just it doesnt make sense to build keep building up his arms surplus to tune was also had many problems on its way to be made daily said my ass but it almost been made by another producer 983. 00 and it was with there at that point the producer was putting up his own money 3000000. 00 to make the movie and all thats thats not a lot for platoon and the distributor his deal was with m. G. M. And on the board of m. G. M. Was enriquez injure and Alexander Haig i do i believe that because either they were consulted or not but whatever happened the distributor said no to the film and this was outrageous because he was making films like blue velvet with which is very risky all kinds of other films were being made that time with a video revolution. My film was thrown out so i had only you have to realize rambo was being made chuck norris missing in action we were refighting the vietnam war going back to save our p. O. W. s that was a big issue back which is i think totally misplaced and that the American People did not really get a true picture of yeah it was like the idea was we could have won the war if we really wanted we had our hand side behind my back our back like like hitler said about the germans in world war one was the same. Way i was living in a benighted benighted Society Communication was not possible they were even released by film thats how desperate i was thats why john daly is dedicated the book to john down that he hes hes an english lower class guy who says for all you know were going to do what we do and i think we need that spirit really need it especially now when no ones going to do anything with any guts because they dont want to see. The media in this country which is doing the governments work for them. Well because tame he helped to put on a better lucina for marcus on lost to emperor the list so many different ties between you i would say and they have and the left wing european filmmaking one he didnt really understand you perhaps when it came to top gun he wanted you to direct top gun isnt true oh yes not directed to write to write it in 1903 you know that you want to be to i couldnt do it. I wrote for the 4th of july and put to it accordingly i was in run kopeks corner i had made a film but it was no way i was going to do top gun i was heartbroken because it was a lot of money i see in the book when you worked also with robert bolt famous for lawrence of arabia no question of aagot and he tells you in this book how terrorism can be used by the state to change the minds of people within within a state i dont know whether thats premonition of snowden later on what impact did that bolt have on your thinking when it came to me i spent it was sold to his company or a company was partnered he brought me to it they brought me to los angeles and i met with Robert Robert love my treatment my treatment was based on a story i heard back in 72 or usually for the patty hearst kidnapping that the people which is the person who led the gang that kidnapped many years donald. To freeze i believe was the name was a black man but it id heard the story that hed been in the f. B. I. Informant and i went with the idea that he was a provocateur one of those people and its this is common in america where you find an under cover agent working to create. Still chaos for example like kent state there was always this rumor its been strongly supported that there was the 1st shots were fired by an undercover f. B. I. Guy who worked with him he may not have been an f. B. I. Agent but he was certainly associated with these stories about if thats what you have to be careful of when you have these chaos situations is its very much in the interest of the state to start chaos to start fires to start this concept of destruction because it brings the wrath of the public on the demonstrators and before you know it the government can do what they want with the dimeter its going on and to some degree in america right and so you understand the robert will pick up on it right away he was a dedicated much more socialist than i was and the cover of never actually came out as i for as far as i and found i should just say by the way if any one thing in portland is full of i dont provoke her though here were having an inquiry into just what he went talking about i dont know how you know he had so decide who havent had twice and you see it in the book a thunder leatham comes up and some money and then here all ready to go and then stopped at the last minute a couple of times it broke my heart i mean each time i cant tell you you know youve got to have a strong resolution to stay in this business you have to suffer or you take the pain because it hurts and even if you succeed and you make a film and then it gets burned at the box office you youre going to have a hard fashions change all the time this is popular thats the popular and its in the long run what matters i love watching movies i watch old movies a lot because they last i like movies and last i love the long range the long picture but thats not economically a viewpoint the. Most producers have because theyre going to make money in the short run so its a tough business ive run into a lot more heartbreaks but i was steeled for it i was disciplined by the early years and thats why i ended book at 40 i said this dream was realized and i appreciated it very much because i knew this i knew the last side of it the rest is a hell of a story as you know its a lot of other things happened i know nearly a threesome between gore and Allen Mick Jagger and you you found are about all 3 lisa documentary on j. F. K. Most people new generations are they as concerned im not sure but it is it is your contention that based on evidence the cia willing to the assassination of john f. Kennedy. Pretty a lot of evidence and we get into it its a 4 hour documentary its a legacy piece i dont care if the young generation doesnt care they should care because it was the beginning of a period in American History when the intelligence agencies essentially grown bragg grasp the reins of government and if you look behind the scenes ever since the intelligence agencies have a lot to do with what happened in a look at their role in the in vietnam only i mean all the misinformation all allies out of vietnam came from them and also in iraq twice afghanistan theres no end to what theyre going to mess is they get us into syria certainly and libya doris goes on and on you know its getting worse when i 1st talked to you years ago i thought it would get better and i cant believe its getting worse hasnt caught why has it got better because obviously doll jumpers elected on a socalled and hand to mention effect if hes pulling troops out of germany not that he didnt have war in france and anything like that or any recent like it was for that but i was dead wrong he cant do anything about it because its a system as mr putin says documentary said the american president they come they go weve seen eating 5 of them now or for them 5 he said. It doesnt make a difference we have to pollinate russia has a policy what we have in america is a changing spectrum of personalities we demonize our enemies which is not a policy of is horrible castro is horrible putin is horrible we who every now and she she ping is the next bill and you know who are the villain of the day is just pure or well whats important is the military Industrial Complex must go on must be budgeted in anything besides that is unimportant including the welfare of the American People on the throne thanks so much for coming back on going on the ground will want you for that new documentary on j. F. K. And your next book and whatever new films youre doing this book i highly recommend that all of us john thank you so much regular she. Had better for the show will be back on saturday with cornell west facing. All across the board trying to sit down in the polls and not just by a full interview traditionally incumbency alone is enough to me feel like shit but this time around these are very strong for me and lets be clear this has little to do with joe biden how did he get. Ah no t. V. No crowd. No shots no. Action helps me. Well. No 1st one. Point should your thirst for action. Welcome to all of us from around the world live from Central London this is all to u. K. Right now. Shocking footage of the mothers of a full of of being dragged away from his darling door his bed signed by police the family plans. They say they have race was a factor in their treatment and i dont think yeah i mean. Just in general or whatever we would be in this situation this would not surprise you. Is it morning after some 100 people were killed and thousands injured in a massive explosion that rocked the countrys capital. The health and social Care Committee proposes a new system for a better way to govern its performance is against major policy pledges and targets will be joined by a risk exposing the liaison. For the conservative party leader in duncan smith calls for the brakes it was all agreement to be scrapped despite having voted for it last year ill be talking to a brick civics but. A grieving family is taking legal action off to the father was dragged from his terminally ill daughters bedside by Police Officers off to the hospital decided to withdraw life support. Rights itself. Thanks thanks thanks thanks this is the Moment Police dragged dr russia to see away from his daughter upside where he was shot it was dusty has spoken to the family and joins me now. To take us through what happy. And what they said to you well it was incredibly hiring speaking to both dr russia bassy and dr ali or a bassy not only did they lose their daughter in such a tragic way but they also had all 4 dealings while in hospital as well as you saw in that footage the police seemingly appearing to be very heavy handed when trying to move both parents from across the room away from the bedside of their daughter bear in mind just after that just before that incident they were told that their daughter would be taken off life support meaning that she would die both parents being medical professionals themselves working for the n. H. S. A combination of over 30 years but they werent treated like medical professionals nor were they even respected as parents they believe they were treated like criminals. Except. That so do the girls you know. Billy carr. She was. And she will she was. Now the incident occurred just under a year ago but the family has only Just Launched a legal battle that is because its taken them an awfully long time to obtain the Police Officers camera footage also to try and lift the restrictions when it comes to reporting and of course to try and emotionally become Strong Enough to relive and account all of this during the Court Proceedings especially as dr russia bassy says that his human rights were violated as well as his daughters. Thank you but no i was well it was a b. What you know is missing in recognition is. Rights of a dying child she had a whole human needs rights you know it was the clothes are really to her her family around her to try and maintain the normalcy that she knew or the last 3 years of having im very sick with her sleep at night every night this was not to get into consideration although she was a member but her last wishes last post nobody can or could remember him round. The court. When the dignity was saying upon us air with a ration at a disease called name and peck she was taken off have ventilator after the incident but passed away so tragically 4 weeks later on september the 16th last year now the ending of her short life in such a way like best is something have parents cannot accept nor understand. Physically my husband was unable to be there and emotionally and mentally im unable to. That is just are wrong even if you know its made an application that april she died from emergency hearing to a mule saying to you that the steroids that the law. Will literally say its do or die and leave the judge said i havent had enough information to make this into more and we have she said to him shes not going to make it till tomorrow and she tied her and. Well during our conversation dr abbas explained to me that relations between his family and the hospital staff had broken down during the entire to say naps treatment eventually breaking down entirely as his words on the day of the incident in particular when the place arrived at the hospital he question asked them why they with that and why they were trying to remove him did they happen arrest warrant but according to the november place they said it was rushed the battery himself that was aggressive and when questioned by the hospital as well which cant be named for legal reasons they say they were simply trying to protect the patients. When there is a risk to the safety of any of the patients in our care to relatives visitors or to our stuff or interference with the delivery of care and treatment it is necessary for us to seek help from the police this is never taken lightly it is essential we maintain a safe and secure environment particularly where we are caring for a very sick and vulnerable patients the 58 year old was arrested on suspicion of breach of the peace he was subsequently also arrested on suspicion of assaulting who lease officers due to the nature of the incident it was necessary to detain the man and when he complained of feeling unwell he was taken for treatment as soon as was possible we can confirm that we have not received a complaint in relation to this incident we are however in the process of reviewing a civil claim so be inappropriate to comment any further. Well to add insult to injury dr fauci says that her family was not being treated in this way if not for the color of their skin and i only know really yes i mean. Just in general or whatever we would not in the situation this were not so how can i come imagine they were. Right you know i dont know a white medical consultant is in line is the problem too its not that. Of course the family knows that nothing can bring cena back but their fight for justice can tell us its a terrible situation which is really you know really wants and i think you can never get over the tragedy of losing a child if you know. You know here are the trash bags that basically are you know somebody believed you out of my building darkest rao and helping him got round wrists will feel like a line to the soul whos has left our home i knew what you are valid or step youre not berube means im dashed maybe youre our. Condolences are being sent from all over the world to live in and where a devastating explosion ripped through the capital on tuesday the nation is in mourning as the catastrophe has claimed the lives of at least 100 people and left over 4 cells and injured according to the countrys red cross. Given the large number of injured hospitals are under immense strain facilities already dealing with the Coronavirus Crisis were quickly filled beyond capacity they should pleas for blood donations and for generators to keep the lights on there are some 1st hand accounts from those who experience the shock wave of the blast. You must die in the sun we felt a boom everything turned over our hands i was at home and my dad washing t. V. When the window fell over on me the wardrobe also follower asked my daughter injured how and she needs a surgery now. Because it. Cannot be me we were at home we heard the sound of the airplanes above our house well even the op of floor of the building but her destroying noise from airplanes and suddenly the song falls on us something explodes and everything falls with it. But. I was moving and it felt like an earthquake relinked around and resold glass shattered everywhere. We spoke to our correspondents until of eve fall asleep but 1st we hear from a journalist in beirut too has been to the size of the blast for us. Well right now were standing in Martyrs Square square that house long been a venue for many of the poor form that have been taking place 11 on the past couple months especially after lebanon was gripped with the worst economic crisis it has witnessed in the past 3 decades at least we know that the lebanese lira has lost at least 80 percent of its worth in the last 2 months alone right now in the marchers as you can see behind me demonstrators and activists are collecting donations for people whose homes have been ravaged by the explosion which rocked the capital city badal yesterday you can see Water Bottles on the ground food stuff even blankets and clothes and everything that the 300000 that now 300000 homeless lebanese are could be in need of also you have a lot of proreform demonstrators who are once again demanding that the Government Take Action and they are calling even on politicians have long been. You know part of the sectarian based power sharing system that has led to the brink of economic collapse they are calling on them to resign and to leave they are 8 accusing them their negligence of being behind that explosion which rocked the capital city yesterday we know that the 2750 tons of. Ammonium nitrate that went off as well as other explosive material and the poor baby with yesterday the main cause up until this hour according to lebanese officials as negligence is that they were actually who are without any preventative or Safety Measures this is why you have over 100 people now. People killed this is why you have over 4000 lebanese injured and this is why you have over 100 others missing and the. These are still adding up the injuries are still adding up rescue teams are still going through theyre all theyre still trying to find survivors and injured and now here you find that the p. People have fun together despite all that 19 despite the warnings from the government that this is going to you know we need to ask about the pandemic they dont care theyre here for their soul their soul their view that those whose homes have been ravaged theyre here to show their solidarity with the victims a with the families of the victims were the families of those who were martyred as well and they are also sending a lot of their message to the lebanese government that is for 4 months it is not acceptable and they are calling all politicians who would just believe the countrys Prime Minister has said that the cause of the explosion was 2 1700. 00 tons of Ammonium Nitrate that was stored in a way house he said he would reveal facts soon about the way house but he wouldnt do so now because he did not want to preempt an official investigation thats under way now hospitals continue to report being in the state of chaos we know that theyve been turning people away theyve simply been unable to cope with the huge number of wounded and injured they are calling for blood donations and also for generators to keep the lights going all of this comes as the Lebanese Supreme Defense Council recommended declaring beirut a disaster stricken city and also calling for 2 weeks of National Emergency the military has now taken control of the security on the streets were also hearing that the lebanese government has made available 100000000000 lebanese pounds in emergency funding to assist those who has been affected the Prime Minister says that they will find that those or those responsible and bring them to book i will not rest until we find the person responsible for what happened so we can hold him to account and impose the most severe punishment it is unacceptable of as a shipment of 2750 tons of Ammonium Nitrate has been present for 6 years in a warehouse without any preventative measures. Now the lebanese government has asked for assistance theres a host of countries who have responded saying that they sending both humanitarian and or medical aid amongst them are to leave the United States the United Kingdom qatar iran and france we are hearing from the american President Donald Trump who says that this looks like a terrible attack which is a statement that contradicts contradicts the official words that we hear coming from lebanese officials let me begin by sending americas deepest sympathies to the people of lebanon where reports indicate that many many people were killed and i met with some of our great generals and they just seem to feel that it was this was not a some kind of a manufacturing. Explosion type of event this was a seems to be according to them they would know better than i would but they seem to think it was a attack it was a bomb of some kind yes now and mungos countries who have been offering assistance are israel this is despite the fact that the 2 countries are technically at war we have heard from the countrys foreign minister benny guns saying that 3rd party mediators have been approached and israel has offered humanitarian assistance no word as of yet what has been of a sponsor from lebanon all of this comes as an Emergency Security Cabinet Meeting is due to be held in the lebanese capital this morning it comes as both israel and has been that deny any kind of involvement there has been speculation as to what caused the blast at this stage the official word from lebanon is lets wait until the investigation is concluded. Still to come this hour. The health and social Care Committee proposes a new system for evaluation the governments performances on health and social care talking to me intense criticism of all aspects of the code that 90 percent of the street hear from a risk expert shortly. Britains former pensions secretary calls for these. Crapping all the bricks it would all agree with despite having voted it through part of last year ill be joined by a bricks of expert. We go to work so you can stay home. And ill show small seemed wrong why dont we all just dont all. Get to shape our disdain for the conflict educate and in gains from an equals betrayal. When some many find themselves worlds apart when shes to look for common ground. To. Come close. A local lockdown has been imposed in aberdeen after 54 cases of code 19 have been confirmed pubs and restaurants in the city will have to close before 5 pm under the reimpose restrictions residents are no longer allowed to travel more than 5 miles from leisure or visit another household the measures are said to be reviewed in a weeks time well that says the British Government is accused of failing to act on quarantining foreign arrivals allowing 30007 facta travellers into the country. Up 210000 cases are believed to be imported by failing to introduce quarantine rules early enough the measures were finally introduced on the 8th of june they have Affairs Select committee of m. P. s says it was a critical error that almost no other country made and it found that the mistakes that were far worse experience of the disease for britain the government has responded saying the policy was guided by the science when it comes as the health and social Care Committee has published reports on Government Accountability it proposes a pilot system which would evaluate performance and aspects of Health Policy designed to hold the government to pledges and targets the 1st such endeavor it will aim to evaluate the progress of Maternity Services before on this im not joined by professor of risk in disaster reduction david and xander d thank you david for being with us now rating governments decisions what any government actually consent to laos. This is some more doubtful im all in favor of voting governments accountable but in fact governments have a tendency to exaggerate their commitments anyway and i rather doubt whether the Rating System will curb perpetrate but we do need more transparency do we not absolutely but this may not be the way to do it or perhaps could there be a chance of it being effective. I think there are several weaknesses in this approach one of is that its already being done by another government tribute to riches the committee on standards in public life and you can dance on the way up and look at their website or to know you have a code read part where professor mark. Were a q. And a go steve has a blog enriching experience a very very savvy she is very much parallel to what this committee is there in here. Another factor is that. Its very difficult to evaluate these things are very sexually taken the kind of evaluation used for schools and prompted down in the arena of evaluating government decisions a government decision. Very different to other running schools that sara and i really wonder whether there will manage to get to grips with this and i dont think a single child 20 is likely to be enough to describe the success or failure of government Decision Making what would the effect of a judgement baby would there for example be any penalties if decisions were wrong i rather doubt whether they currently posetti penalties other than trying to shame the government it to doing better and what weve seen so far in the covert emergencies of the government has dredged up all sorts of excuses rather than necessarily doing better. And that i find distinctly worried but the government obviously should be held to account as you say its done in another way but its really it seems whatever happens or no recriminations that these these seem to be just talking shop start late well that may be the case maybe the recriminations should come through the political system and example if the government does particularly badly so this is an opportunity to probe and one would hope that the electorate would push them out on the other hand it also depends on what the alternatives our in fact whether the electorate perceives a better alternative a government more capable of doing things in some cases that is definitely going to be true in others it may be rather debatable but of course we could have a government well perhaps even this government could be in for another term soon as it got elected people say well it could be 2 times ahead of a tory government so theyll just ignore all that so i think when they were limited world there is so far what many could take account of is the advice that goes into making this sort of judgement and although im not really particularly impressed by the criteria theyre using for criteria and about 5 or 6 different ratings. I think that it will be tracing a much more complex reality where. It will be very difficult to get a single rating searchers outstanding you know insufficient on on whats going on but of what goes into making that judgment may in fact be useful to the government because it will be some kind of evaluation of fortys very very clearly indeed be useful if the government to really get to listen to it and take it it to account it does the to be rather positive evaluation in the sense that it may be quite damning about the decisions but when hes got to do is to provide temporary suggestion as to what else might be time state or how things might be done better professor David Alexander thank you for talking to us live on r. T. Britains former work and pensions secretary in duncan smith has called for the scrapping of the e. U. Withdrawal agreement claiming it denies britain True National independence the European Commission has already rejected the call saying the commitments made in the agreement a reasonable and will stand in a twitter post in duncan smith said the e. U. Wants our money and the brussels which is to stop britain being a competitor his comments spark confusion online as many were quick to point out that duncan smith actually voted for the Withdrawal Agreement when it went through Parliament Last year others were keen to highlight that he wants claim that 3 days was enough time to debate it britain is set to leave the transition period at the end of the year following its official withdrawal in january. Of mourners im not sure but associate professor of politics of the month for University Alice to jones out of their great to see you so what you make of this is is Ian Duncan Smith at having regrets now well that would appear to be the case i mean as you pointed out he said you needed 3 days to debate it you would expect that all m. P. s to actually lose read the legislation were votes in what instead as what normally happens with so much legislation mentioned system is that the m. P. s voted the way the party told them and most m. P. s i suspect have not read the legislation so they could not sell you about how much money i mean brussels the next 40 years. Or what the situation is going to be a republic of ireland on border so this is highlights one of the many problems with the whole political system and talking of money doesnt smith said the age you want money and that the agreement helps them to get it in that is true i mean what is he actually referring to what is this to him lots of money this one with the e. U. Have got to you learn and weve got a commitment to paying some of that back and then this other commitments that the u. K. Is made i think were going to be paying some like 39000000000 pounds back over a 40 year period so in the case of total Government Spending it talking small change behind the sofa yes a 1000000000 pounds per year is a lot of money im not disputing that there are relative to total Government Spending this is about attack commitments towards pensions and other things like that within the e. U. And you think there rob other issues in the majority agreement there are indeed a lot of concerns that it will tie the u. K. To take a you in definitely it major i mean the problem is going to be come the 31st of december 1st or january whether or not theres a new agreement to take over because if we actually dont have an agreement then it may be that their withdrawal at least could actually lapse and that we leave so many of the things that are included in Withdrawal Agreement for example the Northern Ireland border how that is going to operate and how the u. K. Border of the u. K. Britain border should i say with little knowledge how that is going to operate isnt the Withdrawal Agreement if theres no trade agreement there after that could become know that voice never got you just used to go to the whole Northern Ireland Peace Process or even if you looked at the compass in our eyes what is your take on the situation in general will come of it 19 lead to know day a lot of stuff was going to happen at the end of the year my suspicion is that its going to lead to no deal now having said that Boris Johnsons given his juice is phenomenally good at pulling rats rabbits out of hats get there in the end very short notice it may be that come november suddenly theres a magic date now whats going to be interesting is what is actually in it because it doesnt have to go back to parliament this bill is not going to be approved by. So whatever Boris Johnson agrees he will then tell the public what his team of agreed on behalf of the u. K. He would tell us it is the best possible to get and we will not see the detail until after it comes into play so it may be that some sort of deal is called to get but bear in mind that the e. U. Was a very comprehensive deal it may well be that becomes a stumbling block and thats before we start seeing such as fishing out of the giants really good to talk to thank you for being with us live here on r. T. Thank you and thats it one more news in often are. And how can you explain love ive been to 82 countries ive given 12 but i came here and on those 3 days i just felt it hopes to cover all of it. And he kept pretty isnt it sick show. I made my decision to come here because i felt a new i could build a new life here see it at the. Companys new. Shows a free man. God decided that this money is not going to be free style it would only. Then did you see it i was there my one dream is that all my children d find the same kind of happiness i do. 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