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This is the one business show you cant afford to miss im proud to borean washington coming up President Trump has extended the deadline for the tick tock ban in order to allow microsoft to acquire the aftermaths Chinese Parent Company while the u. S. Tech giant be able to seal the deal and how will this affect tensions between the worlds 2 largest economies plus the nasdaq has popped once again on news that apple has now claimed the title of the worlds most valuable publicly traded company will break down what lies in store for the tech giant impact show today so lets dive right in. And we lead the program with one of the biggest tech stories of the year and it appears to be playing out minute by minute microsoft confirmed monday that it is in talks to buy tick tock from Chinese Parent Company bite day its now this of course after u. S. President donald trump announced a plan to ban the app in the United States President Trump spoke about the controversial situation monday afternoon. He cant be controlled for security reasons but in china too big too. Invasive and it can be and heres the deal i dont mind if theres microsoft or somebody else a big comes. Secure company a very very American Company by they set a date of around september 15th at which point its going to be out of business in the United States but if somebody whether its microsoft or somebody else buys it that will be interesting i did say that if you buy it whatever the price is that goes to whoever owns it because i guess its china essentially but more than anything else i said a very substantial portion of the price is going to have to come into the treasury of the United States because were making it possible for this deal to happen right now they dont have the rights unless we give it to them and the Chinese Foreign ministry for their part respond to the reports early monday calling out the u. S. For hypocrisy and double standards in the move while claiming this is a violation of key principles of the World Trade Organization now for more on this lets go ahead and bring in blue bus cohost ben swan and Cyber Security expert todd shipley who also serves as president of dark intel now ben i want to start off with you here lets kind of it it appears that microsoft has about 45. 00 days to get this deal done but doesnt it seem strange for the u. S. Government to ban a company and then turn around and basically force them to sell helping an american tech giant to buy. Yeah i think the whole thing is pretty disgusting i mean as this is all playing out everything is wrong with this from the fact that number one as you said 45 days this company is being told youre going to be banned in the United States you can sell office in chile the u. S. Version canadian version Australia New Zealand versions of tik tok dance can and in exchange for that not only will a big company like microsoft get to take over talk but at the same time you just heard what the president said he says a substantial portion of that price should go into the u. S. Treasury what because were facilitating this do you know what i mean this is this goes against everything that if you believe in a free market capitalism theres nothing free market about it theres nothing capitalism about it its all cronyism and the fact that evil what the president said about it go into a big company like microsoft the reality is we know that Big Tech Companies in the United States facebook and apple and google have not been good stewards of data here in the u. S. Of the collection of data they use and the misuse of data it happens all the time so the idea that the chinese are collecting data and theyre bad but when facebook and apple and google and now possibly microsoft are collecting that same data its somehow ok that somehow a good thing it makes no sense to me at all you know todd actually before i get to any deep content in this i really want to ask you 1st what is your opinion of this situation we just heard ben say that this is a terrible idea but todd what do you make of this situation of the president basically forcing the sale of this and to an american tech company. Well i think overall this is the geopolitical politics of. China and the ongoing problem that weve had with china already because you look back at what has happened with wall way in the other events that are going on and the fact that indias already banned you know tick tock theres a lot of other things that are happening here so its not it is about the data and how its going to be stored and we want the Chinese Government to have access to that data and compare it to the other data theyve stolen from us and be able to put a picture together of americans and what they do or do you want to American Companies have it in granted the American Companies of been know better about the data but at least the data is in the United States at some point. So ben i mean you just alluded to the fact that something about todd actually just referenced right there is that you know american Tech Companies havent been great with our data and whether they provide things to Law Enforcement the government or just to other businesses and selling that data so this is in europe it is actually no better to have microsoft take over this company. Well i it might be somewhat better but i dont know that its better i dont think theres any evidence that its necessarily better other than the fact that there is a belief that the chinese are misusing or collecting data and because its a you know National Government collecting this data it is harmful to us that is the belief but i dont know that we have seen evidence that it is more harmful for china to have and to hold that data than it is for anybody else to do it and certainly a company like microsoft and facebook what we have seen over the last few years in terms of the abuse of Tech Companies to control narratives to control content could to control speech on line microsoft would jump right into that tiktaalik is an anomaly in that it is the 1st tech company in recent years to outpace and outgrow massive the he met. Like facebook and youtube and instagram and so it was one of the few companies they didnt get acquired and it was out there you know whether its a good thing or a bad thing i think its not the question its the fact that its another tech giant who will now control another form of social media and just because its american doesnt make it you know by virtue good versus bad. In recent weeks months maybe even the last year ticktock is kind of been outperforming us Tech Companies and social media for that matter and now suddenly the us has a problem with Cyber Security with the company which is understandable no doubt about it but you know i understand a ban of the company if thats where you want to go geo politically you could make that argument but now youre going to sell it to one of the Biggest Companies here in the u. S. Who has a troops could serve as it has in the past yeah i mean are the other nations todd going to see this as us essentially the u. S. Saying were going to steal your company if theyre successful and we dont really like their business practices. Well i mean thats certainly you know position to take but i think if we look back at the ongoing issues that we have with china that is just another one of those things that has been a release of data about americans and thats essentially what the governments position is that they dont want the Chinese Government to control the data now right or wrong with do you believe thats true or not thats the position that the trumpet ministration is taking and so weve had ongoing issues like i said if we look at what we and the other things that have happened this is not something the just crept up keep in mind that you know to talk got a u. S. C. E. O. So that they could look better theyve got a lobbying company in washington to lobby for themselves so theyve been playing the game for some time knowing that this was coming because of the ongoing issues with china so. Is it an issue with the security who knows for sure probably but the u. S. Government now at this point is taking on the position that theyre going to control ticktock and get it to a u. S. Company and that was just a solution because keep in mind the Trump Administration wanted to ban it they were going to do this until. Microsoft stepped up in agreed to buy it because facebook has already tried to buy it one time before. Bed i want to give you the final word on this i mean i guess just looking at it from an outsider perspective it appears that if you ban it you bet it thats fine but brokering a deal just looks like youre propping up American Companies whats your response although i think i think it does look like that i think it just globally it looks really bad i think even within the United States it can look bad to say listen this company is that is bad because of the collection of data that was being passed to government but if we broker a deal why wouldnt microsoft and pass that same data to the u. S. Government i mean again it comes down to a question of is a government evil because its chinese or is government in general a negative in terms of the way it tries to dominate and control people and if you believe that then you believe that any government thats harvesting data and collecting data any tech company thats handing off dated to governments is a problem and lastly id say that microsoft has basically been out of the game so the fact that microsoft stepped up and said oh well take this on of course they will right this is arguably right the most Successful Tech Company right now in terms of growth in the entire world and so microsoft wants to jump in and just and just grab it i think there needs to be new rules on Data Collection not just who is collecting it who must cohost ben so on and Cyber Security expert todd shipley thank you both for your insight lot to cover here so well have you back. And all eyes are still on the race for a cope with 1000 vaccine you. Drugmaker lilly said monday it is beginning a late stage trial of an experimental antibody treatment now the phase 3 trial will test their l y c o b 555 drug created in partnership with canadian biotech firm. On up to 2400 participants who live or work in the u. S. Nursing homes which have recently diagnosed a case of the virus now meanwhile the Russian Health Ministry Announced over the weekend that Clinical Trials of a vaccine candidate from the moscow based get Malaria Institute have included with positive results adding that while any vaccine would of course face Regulatory Approval the country is ready for mass vaccination as soon as october and with all this vaccine related news the director general of the World Health Organization warned against overconfidence in reports of late stage vaccine tests number of latinos out of now in phase 3 Clinical Trials and we only hope to have a number of effective vaccine the start could help prevent people from infection however there is no Silver Bullet the moment and then might never be for now stopping outbreaks comes down to the basics of and this is going through. Testing isolating and treating patients and tracy and quiet until their contacts. And with this in mind lets go ahead and take a look at the spread of the virus with our correspondents. So where are we worldwide so grand more than 18000000 people around the world have been diagnosed with the coroner as of monday but almost 11000000 of those 80000000 have fully recovered meaning that about 65 percent of those 18000000 have fully recovered while nearly 695000 people have died now the u. S. Has recorded by far the highest number of cases worldwide right now more than 4800000 cases 50 percent of which have fully recovered and the u. S. Thats right now stands at around 158000 so a little over 3 percent have died from the virus here in the u. S. While a new forecast from the u. S. Centers for Disease Control and prevention estimates that the death toll in the u. S. Is projected to reach at least 173005 august 22nd so thats less than 20 days from now thats going to claim another 15000. 00 lives and brand so far july has been the worst month in the u. S. With nearly 1800000. 00 cases in this month alone and about 4040 percent of the cases in the u. S. Occurred in july when restrictions were lifted in most states and we thought we saw the worst of it in april when we had over 858000 cases but then again in july we saw such a big jump may and june both were in any better but going into august were looking for a better numbers but the good news is that deaths have been significantly lower in july compared to other mon so thats a really big plus so going into august on sunday the u. S. Reporter around 47000. 00 cases. Now thats thats an increase in almost 4 weeks thats a small its actually i should say increase in almost 4 weeks and as of 4 pm monday another 8500 cases have been reported so again thats a positive news right now but i also want to take a look at 5 most affected countries right now and whether those countries are anywhere close to flattening the curve so the u. S. Like i mentioned of course theyre seeing a small decrease in numbers but still nowhere near the curve now india is once again trending up thats the orange right here india is seeing more and more increases in fact just in the last 24 hours the saw 52000 cases so thats not good at all brazil is doing slightly better as you see there the one the red there going up and then up and down theyre seeing slightly less you see right here going down but still they have a long way to go just in the last 24 hours they saw about 24000. 00 cases now south africa right here in purple now they appear to be doing a little bit better but not not by much on average theyre seeing about 8100. 00 cases per day now russia the country right here appears to be flattening a little bed and theyre the country with the 4th most cases in the world but theyre still averaging about 5500. 00 cases per day so right here top 5 affected countries that appear not to be anywhere near flattening the curve then there are countries that are seeing a 2nd wave right now like japan where cases ruled by more than 50 percent in july while us trail is also battling a new wave of infections hong kong israel and spain are also fighting a 2nd wave while iran one person is dying from quote 1000 it every 7 minutes. R t correspondent side thank you for keeping us up to date. And time now for a quick break here because when we return big tech continues its winning streak as the throat of the worlds most about publicly traded Company Straight ahead well take a look at how markets are reacting as we go to break here the numbers afloat. Thinking of getting a new gun the ones we got in our ships no problem why is he didnt know what to do he was trapped in this tiny little wired how much we dont need a crate with him he will stir freaking out and she wont let us bring him anywhere near and thousands of breeding dogs are caged in the into lane conditions on puppy farms i mean 67 years you know theyve been locked up in cages outside you see no protection from the weather the heat you know the courtier the rain the snow the thunder nothing they have no protection. To take care of you. Know its ok. Across the u. S. Cruel puppy mills are supported by dog shows and pet stores most of the puppies that are coming from these large Scale Factory farming kind of operations are being sold in stores even joined a Group Businesses are involved like agoa mom center there has been a shocking amount of the organizing opposition to efforts to increase the standards of care for dogs bred in commercial breeding facilities most of that opposition is coming from huge agricultural groups and industries that have nothing to do with jobs dont buy dog. You cant be both with the yeah you want. And welcome back tech heavyweight apple became the worlds most valuable publicly traded company on friday and sitting state oil giant saudi aramco. Shares in apple gained more than 10 percent on friday alone after a strong Earnings Report the day prior and continued its run on monday adding as much as 5 percent points throughout the day close friday the companys market valuation top 1. 00 trillion dollars while saudi aramco now sits at just over 1. 00 trillion now apple stock struggled at the onset of the crowbars pandemic but is now up more than 44 percent this year old lowered meanwhile the Company Also Announced a 4. 00 to 1. 00 stock split so for more on what is more on this and what else is moving markets lets go ahead and bring in blue bus cohost christiane and c. E. O. Of Transformative Research tobin smith thank you both for joining us today know christie why did apple know the stock split well on thursday after earnings which reported strong sales and. Beating analysts expectations so this stock split would quote help to appeal to a Broader Group of investors that is make it more attractive to Retail Investors who have a really hard time struggling and swallowing a triple digit price tag of 400 so the last time they did this was back in 2014 when they did a 7 to one stock split when any of the 700 price mark so stocks but really doesnt do anything for its valuation the price this quarter the dividends are quarters so its exactly the same thing but because medically it looks very different because the price tag is lower so to an average retail trader it doesnt seem like that big of a commitment to buy something at a share of 100. 00 versus 400. 00 so it makes the stock a lot more liquid and tradable so right now there is one actual effect of the stock but one benefit is that it relates to the membership of the dow the dow is a price weighted average versus versus a percentage based index so that means the moves are based on the dollar move at the price so previously apple had the most effect on the dow every single time it moved because it was the largest member of the dow but now ever since it dropped from 400. 00 price tag to one 100. 00 prize. Now it is no longer the largest weight in member of the dow and its replaced by United Health interesting now tobin it is this valuation of 1. 84 trillion really justified i mean apples neither a growth stock nor a value stock and innovation is slowing down as the wearables category is really not taking off as they had initially planned and what do you see and hear. Well our philosophy on investing changed significantly you know maybe a decade ago decade and a half that apple is building a digital platform and when every time they add a new customer it costs them nothing to do it number one number 2 is when you sign up for a phone today whether in the United States or europe or trying to the Telephone Company essentially finances you nobodys paying 1500 bucks for that new phone that i just got that i cant live without from apple youre paying 45 bucks a month so the nature of the business has changed that its profitability its Business Model has changed and as a services continues to grow faster than any other Service Business remember if you took the Service Business alone and please you know Tech Companies are saying please will you break this up because every time you break up a tech company the value goes up if you value the Service Business just on a normal. Dollar a normal revenue time so you mean the multiple of sales it gives me it would be worth 2. 00 trillion dollars today but thats the reality so the market is is paying for this business that never goes away you dont know what youre in the Apple Ecosystem youre in the Apple Ecosystem you know kristie i want to hit on the u. S. Dollar here following its worst performance in decades the dollar is now staging a comeback in august shorts are getting crushed as the dollar surged on the back of a euro slump and accelerating weakness in the yen whats going on here at this repositioning while last month he had this surge in the dollar shorts and thats why you saw gold as well as they claimed surging and the dollar weaken as bets were taken against the u. S. Economy and how poorly it was handling the coronavirus pandemic so strategist also warned against the dangers of this Unlimited Money printing business by the central bank and the unsustainability of its current trajectory however in this latest survey right now Asset Managers are now at lall the euro and they yet. And while selling off the u. S. Dollars and the survey record of the highest exposure in years while the us dollar sold off heavily against it however this today on the 1st day of august trading the traders are starting to turn their attentions towards a surging amount of covert cases now in europe and japan so it seems like there are experiencing a resurgence a 2nd wave that was not expected and due to that the euro lost about 200 pips the 2 in the 2 1st 2 days as traders were struggling to find another alternative safe haven currency so right now at this point whats most surprising of all is that goal today is still up for that matter as well that both of them are rallying and gold is Still Holding strong and green despite the strength of the dollar when normally they would trade inversely so this shows that despite the fact that the greenback is gaining strength a little bit reversing last months trajectory the trust is still not what it was before as other safety assets are now being considered and instead. I want to talk a little bit about the economy here lord and taylor is now the latest retail casually filing for bankruptcy now meanwhile additional stimulus talks have been stalled here leaving a lapse in unemployment assistance what do you see when it comes to holding up this stimulus package and how bad it is going to hurt those who actually need it immediately. Sure well 1st of the you know little misinformation out there if you filed your claim on sunday you know you do it digitally electronically then those people are going to get paid the 600. 00 on monday or tuesday depending on the state theyre going to have cash this week but then we get to friday and the jobs report is going to be its maybe id be i guess id say this is youll be you know bad news is good news then with the numbers we see is that that were going to see a spike up in employment were going to see a spike down in employment which means that Congress Better get off. Because whats going to happen is is that you start to get the sort of tumbling down effect the consumer spends about 1. 00 trillion dollars a month in in a excuse me an inmate in june and somebody in july if july of spending is flat or down then we got a real problem because in august if we dont have this funding were going to be down 8090000000000 in spending thats 89 percent drop and all of a sudden were going to drop and thats why the dollar sold off is people were looking at you know assuming that they were going to be a bad numbers are deal is right now that were going to have slow growth but were going to have enough job creation if we can pay the bills if the one primary worker at home remember the United States 40 percent of people who work are working poor and theyre only paying 8. 00 to 10. 00 jobs now you tack on being thrown out of your home for not payment for rent for foreclosure for a vision that snowball bread becomes a nightmare and it becomes a real nightmare for the person whos in charge of the country as in our present a United States and its last time i remember he doesnt like bad news so i got a real strong sense that theyre going to have a little come to jesus meeting here and guess what they want to what it all is republicans or democrats want 6450. 00 baby split the difference one of the most incredibly difficult negotiations of all time hey lets split the difference. Christiane tobin smith of Transformative Research thank you both for. Joining us today. And thats it for this time you can catch boom bust on demand on the brand new portable t. V. s of ale and smartphones and tablets to google play in the Apple App Store by searching portable t. V. Portable t. V. Can also be downloaded on newer model Samsung Smart t. V. s as well as a broken devices or simply check it out a portable t. V. Well see you next time. All across the board trump is down in the polls and not just by going to traditionally incumbency alone is enough to win the election but this time around it is a very strong and lets be clear this is. A. 54 jets and more than 1300 military personnel are headed to air force base in alaska where is that to say come on ill show you whats the reason for any type of enhanced u. S. Military presence in this area rush up. What is it suddenly about the South China Sea that makes it so that it 11000000000 barrels of oil. Take a look at this map who really owns what kind of says no it belongs to us india says no we claim that that belongs to us both of these countries have Nuclear Weapons capabilities there is reason for concern so thats why were going to drill down on this story for you today right here on the news with rick sanchez where you know as we always like to say we do believe by golly its time to do news again. Welcome to our viewers from around the world live from Central London this is all to u. K. Schools thats what next month experts warn the government has just one month to ramp up its test and trade scheme if england is to avoid a 2nd wave of the virus but that is the u. K. Is still yet to launch its much maligned tracing apple be joined by a Technology Expert. Paul says defy government plans to get stuff back to the office as its revealed homeworking could cost the capital 178000000 pounds a month but thats one businessman sachs those refusing to return. Of paul shanley the system is not just quote mob work well you know what that is. The British Government urges pharmaceutical companies to stockpile medicine in case trade talks with the e. U. And without wants a deal. And to see government increases prison sentences for terror offenders report claims that more jail time fuels even more all extremism but does it we hear from both sides of the debate. Experts have warned the briton faces a 2nd wave of covert 19 if the government doesnt ramp up its test and trace scheme within the next 4 weeks it comes amid number tens commitment to fully open schools in england by next month and he joins me now with the latest so we see how bad do things look for test and trace. Well absolutely weve been seeing a number of calls for the testing tray system to be improved over the next few weeks in particular before schools attempt to reopen next month weve seen the chief medical officer for the governments chief medical officer chris with the warning that in order for schools to reopen other things may have to clothes clothes things like. That maybe some type of trade off the Prime Minister saying that schools represent a top priority for the government weve been hearing and seeing the research is that the London School of hygiene and tropical medicine looking at a wide range of scenarios in light of the planned reopening of schools and they found that the reopening of schools in the town of pupils will increase the risk of a 2nd wave if changes are made to the n. H. S. Testing tray system which has been criticised for not contacting enough people or people fully through the cracks and generally having a number of issues with at the test and traced scheme is split into socalled complex and noncomplex cases the complex cases referred to outbreaks stop missions like schools will factories you can see factories being blamed for a potential 2nd breakout in places like nest not on compact complex cases are considered to be the standard cases where people have been in contact with a coded 900 positive person but we have a look at hap some of the problems with contacting people weve been in touch through positive cases when it comes to testing traces the current 55 percent of all noncomplex contacts have been successfully contacted and traced by the n. H. S. But the London School of hygiene and tropical medicine have also models an area where 60 percent of contacts are identified off schools have been reopened that would be a significant improvement but still a long way off. 100 percent of the people who need to be contacted at doing so now the government how are worried about the 2nd wave potentially breaking out in the winter time around september october they have previously promised a world class system weve been hearing from our sons in the past and it is just saying a world beating system in terms of testing trace will be in place they still havent released their Contact Tracing app there were tests being carried out in only iowa that white run is a number of issues related to date security but also people not download the app enough however there are other places where people have been using the app we can see an island they are not being used modeled on the apple google model used around the world in ireland it was launched on the 6th of july it was downloaded 1300000 times in just 8 days the same Company Making that out have also successfully launched one in gibraltar weve also seen the launch of an apt at the end of last week in Northern Ireland so it is that still lagging behind when it comes to the rollout of a doubt that would help the government with that test in trace system but perhaps the main challenge for the government is getting people to overcome their suspicions when it comes to things like surveillance tracking and data security. Thank you for all of that well for more on test track and trace and the absence of the promised app im now joined by Technology Expert amanda brock and out here amanda. But after all why has it been so hard to get the system up and running. Well i think what weve seen is a Rapid Deployment of technology and thats never something that straightforward or easy but as time has passed what were nice seeing is levels of collaboration which are beginning to improve about process and i think theyre going to make the difference to getting a working in place and talking about collaboration why have there been collaboration the likes of all and i mean theyve already got the app and what are they done differently on the digital and yet now you say the app of the island has got an a an interesting the the irish Health Executives have worked with a Company Called near form to create that out a new form is pretty well known in the open Source Community and they have great expertise in that area so the app that theyve created actually im told by one of the developers and i had 1500000 downloads and if you look at a population the size of our lands which is just dumb to 5000000 i think thats 30 percent up taken a couple of weeks now what weve seen consistently is that weve been told that the apps we use have 6065 percent uptake in order to be successful in reading to compute track and trace and i think theres a strong likelihood that going to happen in ireland the near form team have not only created out for armand theyve gone a step further and theyve donated a cocos a green and its been donated to the linux find a sion at the limits fund a sion is a longstanding organization with a great deal of history and open source that one of the biggest organizations managing collaboration in the world and what they are now i doing is bringing parties globally together with Companies Like tencent major yam were who were working with the n. H. S. Axeman London Company small of the world local Public Health authorities well of the world collaborate so we really are seeing that and in fact its not just scotland that is reusing that out but more than on and to a much to do for the irish help to fix some of the cross border issues that they were concerned the. Press got wind. Means on and more on scotland are all going to happen are probably should work with an elaboration cross border and you mentioned uptake and one study does suggest that more should be done on focusing the public to trust the app is that fair is this an issue. I think trust is absolutely essential and one of the things that is regularly talked about is the n. H. S. Round and how much trust the raise in that round are i dont think there are failing will necessarily have destroyed but certainly its something were going to need to see real need a ship on in the can ok trust is one thing what about convincing the public to really abide by the system to really use it to make it effective. Thats a very difficult one some countries have gone down the river of actually making out monday tree and obviously thats not going to happen here weve moved from the centralized to the decentralized model to meet civil rights requirements to make sure that your compliant i think men will need to be a big campaign entranced and people are going to have. To make them. And they are Technology Expert but but the question is this app will be effective and they can as we see in other apps are effective but just how vital are they are in tackling the virus because the government seems to be playing down its importance at the moment. Yeah its funny a bit in the early days of discussing this i was there and dance importance because this is going to be. Still there we can still see out yet and just disappeared are coming but im still here. And im important because there is an air component will never be anything more than a component in the overall track and transparency is important. That technology will not fix a moment amanda brilliant to talk to you on this thank you very much for your time amanda brought very much by. The u. K. s capital could lose 178000000 pounds per month of Companies Continue to refuse to follow the government guidance and keep stuff working from home calculations by the center of economics and Business Research expects that in 202130 percent of london based employees will still be working from home on any one day and that means hundreds of millions lost to restaurants sandwich shops pubs bars and coffee shops its despite the governments latest eat out to help out initiative offering discounts on meals to kickstart the hospitality sector senior economist publish our says the capital could lose its reputation as a fun place to work weve got reaction from the public think people people still want to meet up and find a way because people are getting bored at home as well so they craving some social contacts im sure things will still go on board because of you know its but i dont believe that you know london is still. Out of the best places to work in but you know yes because were going to take their we take safety 1st are we gonna enjoy ourselves personally i think my sushi horse yeah no its only going pretty drinks after work probably are just being you know social distancing in the lie. But i believe its not just not quite as it was but it definitely still feels like we did have a very strong team her to her husband previously. Meanwhile the founder of Pimlico Plumbers in london says hes fired those suits refused those who refused to return to work Charlie Mullen says workers need to get back to the day job to limit damage to the economy people need to get back to work and. You know the people that are no longer with us are all very much the place where the want to come back to work and then the same people spending time on the beach theyre not about social peace in sin but they actually said come up with is you know theyre not ready to go back to work but if were going to stop the 2 cent follow tomorrow theyd be back to full indict but wouldnt many of them have a valid excuse and that is they are very worried about catching the virus particularly plumbers you have to go into peoples premises i cant look so people are going to feel all that promise of continuing working for at the but then when theyre so employed and you know well give them all all the protection we can march gloves. For cover up sanitizing machines sinks in their vehicle and you know were obviously concerned about our stop and we might sure. That our site is complete and when i go into customers that says. We contacted them privately appointment and if the customer doesnt want to be in the sign room as them they can let them in with the job willie its estimated britains Job Retention scheme is cost around 30000000000 pounds protecting one and a half 1000000 jobs across the country from the beginning of this month employers have had to start making National Insurance and pension contributions as a scheme winds down towards october while the government has given bosses the power to tell work is to return even if they can work from home. Weve got to draw a line at least for low system weve got to get people back into work weve got to get people into the office and by the coffee and using public transport and you know you know use in pubs and restaurants and shops weve got to get sort of the economy going again the longer than. The worse the economy the bigger the unemployed course of people can successfully uneasily work from home thats fair enough isnt it obviously plumbers thats slightly different but those work from home why not thats an advantage. So it suits a company and its to see if you want to choice it doesnt suit us i dont think its the whites who run the feces you know we need we have called site weve all at people to see them out of the everything to get up we want very much for personal service and. Its not good for at least these im not completely so welcome fall from home is the overall answer for many albums which 1st of all these selfies the fact that you know theyre not open up the p. C. C. Is why you know tell me its a lot of them you know and use you know all the facilities and you know typically novel quickly and so well everybody saw it so well from the old 4 in the hunt for him and its got to be huge so were going to be because it is and you look so far on that the call me. Still to come out of this research is fine extremists could be using a long jail times as a chance to radicalize a broad reach a taste for the government thinks a lengthy sentences of the onset we have something thats the debate. Summer. Episode. Was. Going to be exciting very exciting im excited i know youre excited i know stations excited. Is your media a reflection of reality. In a world transformed. What will make you feel safe. Isolation community. Are you going the right way or are you being let. Go of. What is true what is. In the world corrupted you need to descend. To join us in the death. Or a major in the shallowness of. The British Government spend a letter to Pharma Companies encouraging them to stockpile drugs in the event of a no trade deal being agreed between the u. K. And the e. U. It comes off to medical supplies will the government it may not be possible due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic said that initial stocks had already depleted and was concerned about replenishing supplies by the end of the in the chief commercial officer at the Public Health and social care steve all feel insist that Companies Need to be prepared for all eventualities. Holding additional stock in the u. K. Provides a further buffer against some disruption and we believe where its possible is a valuable part of a robust contingency plan to build upon past work and ensure a coordinated approach we will be asking supplies to confirm that contingency plans for the end of the transition period and in particular the balance between Stock Holding in the next round of trade talks the shadow for the middle of august and will take place in the belgian capital today little progress is being made during the negotiations with both sides suggesting it was up to the other to change tack. By its current refusal to commute the condition of open unfair competition and to a balanced a grouping fishery the u. K. Makes a 3 agreement additional point only likely the who has listened to us in some areas we have. Made it clear out concerns about the role of the European Court in any future agreement and the e. U. Has listened to that and for our part similarly we have listened to the e. U. s concerns about the structure of the future games and avoiding complexity so there has been movement but the gaps are still significant. Economics expert professor good at jones told me supply chains are vital and the solution is needed urgently. This is something that have to be done in any event and its something that we will need to be done whether the deal is struck or not because what we know at this stage is that the u. K. Has left the European Union it will leave the Single Market of the European Union at the end because the government to say that will be no further extension to the transitional period to put this in perspective we trade around 25000000000. 00 pounds with phones who called in each direction we export that much we import that much and most of the imports do come around 18000000000. 00 pounds with imports of pharmaceuticals to come from the European Union so thats a lot of stuff coming in thats going to be subject to checks that are not there now because we are part of the Single Market but those checks when they really need to are saying crucial that is running out potentially lives being lost as a result of that. What weve already seen bill is that the stockpiles that we already had in place around 6 weeks worth of stockpiles in some cases have been eroded and so have run out as a consequence of whats been happening with coded so theres been disruptions to supply chains already inevitably as a result of the pandemic youve got some production is not being taken place its been switched into other activities within the pharmaceuticals companies. Are not producing and so on so theres been disruption already thats led to the erosion of the stockpiles that were already in place so what the governments saying now is that Companies Need to make sure that this stockpiling where they cant stockpile. As british m. P. s seek to toughen prison sentences for terrorist offenders reporters warning that those incarcerated see more jail time as an opportunity to further radicalize themselves and Others International center for the study of radicalization highlighted that in the last year alone there have been 4 terror attacks committed by serving all release prisoners in england the research is one that jihad is are increasingly treating prisons as this of conflict and confrontation rather than rehabilitation they suggest that extremists could also be using jails to understand how authorities work it cites the fishmongers whole attack it was one car on who went on the Rehabilitation Program learning together as an example of false compliance giving authorities the misleading impression he had reformed there is an emerging view among extremists that prison is an opportunity not necessarily just to recruit or network but to also work on themselves in prison recruiters learn psychology to become better recruiters for example while in prison by ideologues learn Islamic Jihad is history to become better ideologues they see prison as a test of their commitment to the cause and a place to recover from isiss battlefield losses and the wider up evil in the jihadist see currently there are 238 terrorism related prisoners in england and wales with 138 inmates categorized as islamist extremists and 44 as far right report places the average prison sentence for those convicted after 2012 and around 7 and a half years however this sentence could see it increased up to 14 years almost double after m. P. s recently voted to back the governments new terror laws the ministry of justice responded to the researches claims the prisons are an opportunity as unfounded. We have put in place world leading measures to stop extremists from spreading their poisonous ideology behind bars on new legislation means they now face tougher sentences and monitoring on release including polygraph testing to scrutinize behavior. Well to debate this im not joined by terrorism expert and former Police Officer of the u. K. Special branch for counterterrorism dr david low and investigative journalist jane beech i thank you both for joining us j f our prisons are a breeding ground for radicalization then longer sentences will actually mean more attacks well i dont necessarily agree i think there are many factors that contribute to radicalization and if we reduce the sentence in time if theres no to terror and we have to have it terror in place but that being said prisons do serve as a perfect breeding ground for many reasons it it actually fits the narrative of your typical jadis or or a Freedom Fighter whether theyd like to call them selves its an environment thats oppressive they have never had their freedom taken away from them and obviously they have a hierarchy control and so its very easy to become radicalized in prison so that i dont believe that the focus should be on the prison sentence alone thats one aspect of it you cannot reduce the prison sentence i dont think its Strong Enough as is we have to be focusing on the radicalization and we have to be focusing on preventing you know radicals from spreading their ideologies in prison for instance we had jordan one of the british born islamists who actually boasted that he had used the prison system to spread his ideology and recruit many people who had never thought about jordan is cause so there are many aspects behind it but like you said we join horner they moved him from prisons prison and you can shift the person as much as you want but if you dont shift the mind then the problem just remains in the eye and geology still remains so not enough is being done in a suit the radicalized david is it though possible to stop radicalization in prisons if we just have an authority is earlier saying that doing the utmost they think they can stop it just how much are prisons then a breeding ground for this kind of thing and can it be stopped behind bars. Its its an issue thats been there for many years i think bill you know we really go back to the irish troubles even now in polish magali president mean when you gave the figures during the wales on top of nile you have dissident republicans trying to recruit loyalists trying to recruit new dimension isnt just the islamists who are trying to do this you have the extreme far right is the same and its been there for many years. I mean i know from my own experiences and sense of retired now im a Senior Research fellow at least back at university and from my own research it is a problem that prevents strategy thats applied in prisons needs to be dealt with but you have another issue i think bill to think about i think weve got to take each case on their own merits. Just lengthening prison sentences is not the answer if someone has committed a serious offense lets get a murder that is terrorist related other deeply imbued theyre going to be a threat but theyll be those on the periphery those who commit murder offenses i think we should take it. As a different attack and maybe our sort of agreeing a little bit with jerry there that part of that is what we do with them in prison prisons never rehabilitated if you want to be a better burglar of their voice and go go to prison and youll learn you know learn your trade better what i think it is looking at what we do with these individuals when they when they arrive in prison ok but what do you make of that you know i agree with david on that aspect there is but i want to see you know i have to say that i feel like our Justice System and the public in general are losing faith in the Justice System and we see in our sentences being too weak and not providing any counsel or justice victims. Yet terrorism and serious crimes but. Not enough money and and funding and resources is being pumped into that core strategy which should be to change those minds so i do think that you need a lot of long sentence because it cannot be deprogrammed as it were only night so it has to be pumped into land and heavy folks on up at princeton see you know we mentioned as a candidate who mentions he attended to such programs that prevent the radicalization programs they clearly dont work. And a lot more money see placed into that but also i feel that prison these be isolated you see when theyre around people with the same ideology especially when we have overcrowding agrees and then that it is it fair to say just that one example means that it doesnt work or together that really arent taught and have been mocked. You know it it does to some people it can work it can work if theyre not as far gone if theyre not as into that not met you know got carried out such serious crimes but the bulk of. This not just as as david rice its not just yeah this as and the data has very quickly james got a point here that when times the and the public will agree with this about longer sentences surely weve got to make it clear that extremist acts carry very tough sentences and shorty that is the answer thats what the public want to see people doing much longer sentences the shorter ones because of course those who are let out with those shorter sentences are committing these terrible crimes. Well i think everybody would like everybody. Certainly tarasoff and certainly those who commit serious crime to go to prison but weve got to weve had an overcrowding issue now for many many years the presence of murder well how to build more prisons weve got certainly for different categories we have private companies who are carrying out this Public Function but were looking at category a prisoners here with with with terrorists with many terrorists those who are. Very very serious criminals and to have them in isolation could be a problem youre going to have to build more prisons are you going to have to extend the likes of belmarsh the house those facilities so we have to look at not so much those who are deeply entrenched with an interview with their ideology were looking at those who are getting caught up in the extremism or those who go to prison maybe for another offense and then get radicalized in prison this is the process its got to be there and we have to look at some of these minor offenses or searches downloading information the on your internet its quite a concern this i mean you know me bill normally im very very supportive of of government initiatives in keeping us safe but i do have a concern where youve got mine or what i would what i would term in terrorism cases and so minor offenses and you put in prison for a long time like lets hit finally from jay as we are getting out of town jay funnell coming from well you know i agree on that theres a big responsibility that should be placed on social media platforms then theyre not doing enough to stand radicalization and hate but at the same time you know we do have a massive overpopulate overcrowding problem but we dont print we free separations senses. Just as they have a nickname and only one of them is actually open and in full so the government needs to step up because with the problems in 2025 were going to have a hell of a lot of terrorists that come to us. We need to get you know all they going to be to radicalize all the guys so i dont think so we need to get in there quick. And actually do something active not increase funding mainly talk to the radicalized. I said ok thank you both very much for that interesting discussion dr david low and jay beecher and thats it morning. Thinking of getting abused by the ones we got. Along with. In the. Field near the crate with him he was. Freaking out he wanted to bring him anywhere near. Breeding dogs or caged in inhumane conditions on poppy i mean 67 years theyve been locked up in cages outside you see no particular