Can we can tell how many years hell get because his. Source so c. Many got 35 years before he was our by president obama so i think julian those are if he does get extradited well get 50 years and he wont by press truck thats crucial but why would have jumped in say lovely killings but why would they suddenly at this late stage and weve had meals meltzer he won ruined special rapporteur on saying hes being tortured here in britain why this late stage would be trying to change the indictments against maybe even stopping the old ones are trying to came it theyre trying to add to it. All conspiracy charge going back to it is gays as a juvenile hacker in australia. All the people literally persons unknown is the phrase theyre using to me encourage to send him secret set weekly leaks and of course in those days weekly chs wrist rather good because it exposed the courage of scientology to be exposed corruption it did a lot of good things where back in his early days which now the americans are trying to turn into a past conspiracy this may be because they feel the case isnt Strong Enough to be evidence of persecution is pretty strong because its been shown that hes and his his hideaway in the ecuadorian d embassy was bugged by the americans that they had intercepted conference will have a subject in a spanish case because of course he felt cia has not admitted to mocking conversations with you i understand jeffrey having been following that case so it was a case of its a breach of european law its the sort of thing that caused the pentagon papers case to be derailed because they bugged and stole stuff from the Sources Office so it is the kind of evidence coming out that they may not like there was a suggestion that white house wanted a to be postponed until after the elections because some evidence was going to come out about how overtures were made on behalf of the Republican Campaign to weaken leaks and there was evidence by his fiance who said that one of the guards on behalf of the ins or tried to get her babys nappy. So they could analyze the pool in order to see whether a sound was a power but theres a lot of clue in the courts a person that the moment and more importantly as far as the press were concerned was he left it on johnny depps bed so im afraid that was what the media was interested in but you have said to you successfully you youve successfully overturned so many wrongful convictions here you presumably are not going to be called a witness to the Spanish Court will bow to the guards on is trying to complain or at least sort out with a cia link company you say global were bugging you yourself in the Ecuadorian Embassy can you remember any of your cases where a cia link company was abusing client lawyer privilege none that i know of but i wouldnt necessarily know but there is julian a sour 100 journalists letters and publisher who is locked up in coakley dangerous in belmarsh and he can only talk to his lawyers now after 10 minutes telephone calls for 10 minutes and its difficult to prepare a case he could have been let out on bail under a kind of house arrest or mansion arrest in the country where alec chronic shackles would prevent him from leaving but at least hed be able to prepare his case with concentration that did not appeal so he is looking at the barrel of a gun which will provide him with life imprisonment to die in an american supermax it might come by air when the americans have their way and i think it is as american as american journalists are now realizing it is. Correct to freedom of speech because the argument that the white house is putting forward is that he doesnt deserve the 1st amendment because hes not an american in australia and that it doesnt apply to any journalist working for american papers you you were retained by Julian Assange and youve defended him so is Jennifer Robinson amber heard lawyer thats why she says she was in the news so is amal clooney and the Guardian Newspaper which partnered up with wiki leaks printed an article in the past few days as this hearing was being discussed in london and then the earlier printed an article saying hes basically a russian asset. He has a russian asset and defacto as a man you yourself were defending a russian as a mom a journalist and so i didnt see that article thats headings i suppose from the American News about wiki leaks publishing stuff that they may have obtained from russian sources from Russian Hackers but youve got to remember wiki leaks had the idea or publishing anything of Public Interest and that what they published about the Democratic National committee to show that there was a lot of jiggery poker a carrying on to stop Bernie Sanders getting the nomination and 5 members of that committee had to resign but people are realising that perhaps if the cia had secretly slipped him some information about mr putin and his wealth or his involvement in assassination in britain then he would have had the integrity to publish classes well but when we hear and we dont know. He published collateral murder which was evidence of certainly him rights crime the killing of journalists it was really a case of burial manslaughter i suppose so so that another nothings ever been tried in that way in the d. N. C. Meanwhile joe biden the president ial contender said and then when he mixes as almost an enemy combatant seem to reflect pompei oh no reflection of the resignation of you mentioned high tech terrorists i wanted to let you get to the russia report because even though no evidence was found by the russian or bordered by the intelligence and Security Committee here the recommendations were that we may need american style espionage act which is under which the underlying cause canada penitentiaries and present treason gunpowder creep creep in and prot is the object now but it would cause we havent had much luck with preteen girls the conditions we allowed him to be to escape we allowed blunt to continue selecting the queens loose so theres been a reluctance to use the earth in 81 treason act ad i think it would be a great mistake to update it it should be abolished because its one of these they close about and compassing the overthrow of the monarch and i think to use it against people who have. Assisted particular russian list would be wrong a much better idea frankly is to have a rigorous foreign interests so that those who act for foreign governments must come clean about it and tend to see what would that mean for me saying because i think he said mandated by the russian duma the mimi. C. Obviously likewise mandated by the British Parliament to broadcast overseas does that mean the registering of 5 foreign journalists in one of them even bankers actually bankers who work say for h. S. B. C. Or a company in the city of london well i think this is reasonable but of course the problem with reduced ration of as a foreign interest is shown in russia or in simple where theyve forced Amnesty International and other human Rights Groups to register and then create all kinds of bureaucratic problems so youve got a box these laws and there is a good law thats been suggested incredibly you can donate more than 10000 pounds to a British Political Party without any Money Laundering scrutiny so this is quite serious people are upset because Russian Oligarchs wives dont make hundreds of thousands in return for a tennis match with power a strong person and its clear that money that comes to any Political Party from abroad should be able to have a 10000. 00 pounds should be subject to Money Laundering room and at the moment its not so i think thats 1. 00 valuable law that will come from the russia report which didnt find any russian interference in regulated but said that was because m i 5 wasnt looking well obviously the toys say all that Russian Oligarch money the entirely innocent donation to the tory party i just want to quickly just ask here we have seen case because we had someone on the senate. Geoffrey epstein was working for the israelis the Israeli Government denied it and now Galle Maxwell finds herself on remand in a brooklyn prison how safe is. Given that our friend epstein died in a new york prison early this is interesting because it may seem quixotic givens theres so much injustice in the world or to care about it justice or give you a match but you know you judge a system of law by how it treats its most unprepossessing people and the complement with american lore in these high profile cases is that there is no contempt of court nor as we have in britain so theres massive judgement its as if shes presumed guilty and the judge shows so and so strong and so good strapped and allowed and i find those astonishing allowed 3 prosecution witnesses to oppose bail and just say shes almost shes a sociopath and this of course is all reported and this is because america has no new contempt of court looks designed to protect a fair trial and as a result there is a massive a market you can see games and of course weve seen in a number of high profile merican trials that preaches hatred to sing the jury can produce a wrong verdict well she denies all the charges all wrongdoing very romantic you say thank you very much after the break does u. K. Prime minister Morris Johnson stand a chance when he hears negotiations enter the dragons den of the Worlds Largest trading rob we ask t. V. Star and business mogul never meeting him its time for u. K. Business to leave the country paulism or coming im about to im going underground. And her early. 54 jets and more than 1300 military personnel are headed to heal some air force base in alaska where is that to say come on ill show you whats the reason for any type of enhanced u. S. Military presence in this area russia. What is it suddenly about the South China Sea that makes it so of it 11000000000 barrels of oil. Take a look at this map who really owns what kind of says no it belongs to us india says no we claim that that belongs to us both of these countries have Nuclear Weapons capabilities there is reason for concern so thats why were going to drill down on the story for you today right here on the news of where you know as we always like to say we do believe by golly its time to do news again. Welcome back to this lockdown edition of going underground joining me now from somerset in england is dragons den business mogul debra median and the reason deborah you on the show is really to explain to us what is in store for Small Businesses now were hearing from britains e. U. Negotiated david frost that basically the e. U. Has to accept the deal on the table what will it mean for me businesses in this country well its not enough that weve been living in sort of limbo land not really understanding what the answer. Is if you dont which is pretty much anyway. But i think its very worrying the deeds that businesses that probably have a huge say you know and yes and you know theres a lot of just in time and probably going to like trash employed in the business is nuts. With this great lump of money the 1st time that theyre looking forward and thinking i dont know what ive got to do ive got a government telling me prepare but i dont want to pairing off the phrases actually to prepare for all possible outcomes do so through in the corridors of whitehall they respect to or with the people so much who they think that they do that anyway on a regular basis therefore they dont have a problem with the uncertainty of. The earlier the issue for me with all possible achnanthes is that takes money you know actually its madness you know its crazy you look at a business you think about whats the most likely outcome and you prepare for its the most likely outcome you look around you take account of all of the factors of the things my justin says this is probably the things that happen there is such scant information there is such a muddled horizon that i dont know from this is me who spends my lunch trotting through issues assent that doesnt matter but doesnt it doesnt matter. I dont know how we were kants what is the most likely scenario as sussan we dont have a lot of trust sitting around you know what chapel of money then that its yes interesting the government themselves and the reason that they didnt have and night says is that it would have been a wrong decision to put a load of cash into a load event then to laces just in case theyre asking businesses to put a lot of cash into them into what will probably be socially relevant projects that is just not joined up. More disturbing arguably if you believe the sources that are talking to the Financial Times was this report that the people in white always saying they could use covert to mosque the economic negative consequences of a no deal at the end of the year presumably the government would say that definitely is not the case do you think that could be the case and there are people thinking like her well if it is the case its a pretty ugly mindset you know. That really is what we should be spending our time Walking Around the halls of whitehall talking we should be talk about how we get ourselves asked is dont be very difficult to distinguish whats happened at the edge of what has happened because and it might be helpful to the government that would probably have struggled with a with a very difficult scenario. And i did think it will let people off the hook you know and i dont like letting the i think people make decisions that theyre i i agree with them i dont agree with my help they get them right it get them right well done if they dont get it right then they they should be held responsible for it and i think they could be an element of why were. Well theyre saying theyre trying their best i dont know how many requests you are getting for Venture Capital how many Business Plans are being sent at the moment but i mean how do you think people see it when the bank of england bails out Ryanair Easyjet 600000000 be a 600000000 john lewis 300000000 mark and spend the 260000000 greggs 1c5xw6cw i know that has very money for as i mean is life support but what do you think theyre thinking when the Biggest Companies in the country seem to have got so much money from the bank of england in tows alone facilities well im. Just a facet of the son so hes less unease but the truth of the matter is that there is. Happy companies that they have jobs and theyre begging at an betting that tax revenues theyre betting our economic stability even if were not adding anything at price so i dont have an issue with looking at a business that what fundamentally survive beyond this as opposed to it for who i say that whether its a big business or whether its a Small Business we should not support industries that are fundamentally a problem because you know thats just the money how to manage and we should be spending that money looking at new industries in the new shapes so so you know i dont say worry about the fact that were saving jobs for people and were trying to stabilize an army i dont i think thats a good way to spend the money and i think in the early days i was pretty comments about whether sportiness unease because they had moved quickly they made promises quite quickly and they actually delivered the casket as weve gone they felt clunky they havent looked at individual industries in a i think a particularly indepth way in what they should be doing is worth in the trade associations in dealing not just with industries as a whole you cant talk about the Hospitality Industry money in the halls or all is a part you know look at each sector that industry and understand what it needs to support and ive been a bit disappointed about the targeted support now that theyve had the time to understand you know the different effects on the different parts of the Different IndustriesGoldman Sachs needed money from the u. S. Taxpayer back in 2008 which is an act emanates from Goldman Sachs ive kind of ethos is the is the 1st the 1st straw to be clutched at by some of that kind of inheritance going to be this style bailout i mean when you think about it for a time i dont know whether if the case right now the government over heres the thing as most people are being in effect most people are in effect employed by the government you know he when all is not a company is saying you know they need to be bailed out weve turned into the u. S. S. R. Its a good point and its a really good question because we didnt with the support issue how do we get people through this what were not really didnt make is how we shape the thing that theyve got to get through so so you know new industries encouraging people to behave and i encourage people rewarding people im actually full going into the emergent you know this is a billet industry is the i. T. Industries that are going to do pretty well as Software Companies so so so along with you know theres pieces that they need to get everybody through this and then that is a piece it says we need to die then into a long term and sustainable industry not just but we need to hold on we need to make sure that we get through to the time that we can make a bit of money because with fundamentally change and you know we still feels a bit like were just trying to get back so the norm when we should be looking so the future this is a really good moment to do that and the government needs to get more intelligence about doing that both because in our own building a different gun. But isnt that a bit disturbing for a dragon in the sense that people really are questioning whether this of moores law of the economy is right or do we have some or all of her own recently you saying theres a reason why big businesses work so well without internal markets within the big businesses and they thought just economies of scale use and they are more efficient thats why walmart is more efficient thats why theres a big tech business when defending themselves in coal rest being accused of market move elation thats why their businesses are efficient they run like the soviet union well absolutely and i think thats a problem and i think that is the area of a very clunky and Old Fashioned way of doing business and i think the businesses that will survive are the ones who are actually simply agile fleece or thought they can check you know that the world already 5 years ago was dense or somehow asa world is changing the same guys the most simple. And you can see if anybody is a guilty you know just good just went on agility and you win the world and actually this big business is that company that can change so awful it can do is have a disproportionate voice in government thats worrying because what it was trying so things down and keep things as they were the consumer is changing that is you know has actually changed the might they be all still you know they must all virtual and much happier better we will shop in a microscope in what more are not communicated by on line weve built in our lives in a different way were worried about sustainability the worries of the business businesses that doesnt fundamentally change that view the way they look and the way they look at the gun to be left behind is as good news in the s. And ps about well placed to take advantage. Of them as on google and these companies will say we are just as agile as the smallest business in fact we can take over and buy out a Small Business in fact who are regulars then a little about Venture Capital taking over innovation from the small guy so that doesnt mean the end of big business it doesnt start a big business is consolidating and taking why it all up again we get back to this soviet style of state capitalism thats why ive completely agree with you and actually the business is that you thought about it all right giles and they are all good looking and they are having a major influence on the way we do business and its our i dont want rate i dont quite dragons that because dragons we are we are and that lists but we are looking for the arcsin aware of the assembly and we actually looking for the new ideas america best in those people to carry x. And you want to is unhealthily i mean i always say every big Business Needs to remember it was a Small Business its actually is a Small Business is just bigger and they somehow the. And when i say either of the businesses that got potential for growth into larger businesses it kind of doesnt matter who owns those businesses as long as the Market Forces them to behave as individual businesses because theyre a big Umbrella Organization oh lots of different platforms and lots of different businesses but within and each of those platforms. And then stop the entrepreneur entering the Market Building something you know coming up with a great idea has it doesnt does it matter that it goes on to be owned by somebody else all it goes on to be the business that owns other businesses thats how it works but its the essence of it and got to change its got to stay on top of mariel fleets of 1st hearts and thats the big Monkey Business is with old fashion crutches and too much legacy and com is ok were just virally we began by talking about me really agile whoever you are because of the break. Is it still your view that the british people didnt really vova breakfast at all and that it was russia that interfered with the breaks or vote out now so thats never been my view because we did the press it you know so the question is how much were they influenced well i think russia obviously played a part. I but i think there are a lot of influences you know there are a lot of people banding around a lot of meaningless words a point we were making decisions and. Listen i already did understand many cases of threats and i live in the you know in the biz you know i could understand. It some peels for me how everything. Is is integrated with the e. U. Oh spend my life worrying about what were going to do with the rights so i guess im sorry but i defy anybody who was going to. Make such a mental decision to fully understand me including what decision that. Well pressure of course denies any interference whatever made me thank you very much love to have you all again as we hopefully get some clarity about what business is both of you about planning thanks so much and thats it for this Long Television all going underground on the monday well talk about going into outer space stay safe. The world is driven by dreamers shaped by the person of those great. Dares thinks. We dare to ask. 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