Bravery project is because weve heard of the our vats the Lincoln Project all these republicans trying to stop donald trump from becoming president in november yashin good to be with you that the bravery project is all about finding republicans and conservatives all around america who all privately believe that donald trump is a moron and hes unfit to be president and were trying to help bring them out publicly to say what they believe about trump privately to say that publicly he had republicans going against shrum but as you know written a couple of books including what does it. Have to be about you know what he said about you youre a one time bad congressman from illinois and then trump said you lost in the 2nd term by a landslide and then you failed in radio you see what trump thinks of you and your attitude to him and not winning in november. Its high praise ask him any time data will trump goes after you you know youre making a difference look a lot of people have left the Republican Party we dont talk about that enough donald trump always prattles on about how to 90 percent of republicans support him you know what a lot of people no longer identify as Republican Trump support is like a sinking ship there are a lot of former republicans and conservatives out there who want nothing to do with them and we hope theyll be brave enough to vote for biden 90 percent is it one is 90 percent of republicans reputedly and youre using coronavirus when that poll rating in journal poll rating would and within the g. O. P. Was used using coronavirus against your president do i should add you voted for yeah i voted for him and 16 asked and thats what makes me unusual im not one of these original never trumper so i voted for my figure he was a goof but he might hire a couple good people and maybe a couple good things might happen it became pretty clear to me after he got elected that the man cannot tell the truth and he cannot put the countrys interests ahead of his own and america right now my friend with this pandemic were paying a price about for that donald trump has a lot to us repeatedly about the virus he didnt give a damn he does not give a damn how Many Americans have died all he cares about is get himself reelected were paying a price for that. Well we invite the u. S. Ambassador to london on but junk definitely refutes any allegation that hes lied about coronavirus in fact he says and im going to tell you the u. S. Coronavirus death by capita rate is far far better in the usa than it is here in britain may i add and come to think of it when you think of Foreign Policy is us saying by i mean you say youd rather than trump have someone who would have taken the American Meat to syria would have done another libya would have thats really what youre advocating a method of Hillary Clinton style Foreign Policy just keeping it to Foreign Policy for a 2nd well and im for pot look aspect lets lets be clear i am a tea Party Conservative i dont agree with joe biden may be any issue this is not a box the issues to me we have a guy in the white house who cannot tell the truth we you talk about Foreign Policy action we have a guy in the white house right now who loves dictators in thought hes putins puppet hes invited foreign governments to with our elections to screw with our elections donald trump is a traitor thats more important than any issue do i dont like joe biden no but im working my ass off for joe biden because donald trump got impeached because he tried to pressure ukraine to help him cheat in our elections thats a big deal ok as you know the miller report widely seen to exonerate dont trump the maniac is a colony and all then it foreign powers and what youre saying then as a form of Tea Party Activists that youd. Have had someone like biden who were of course was Vice President joining the disasters in libya invasion dude rather see dead american soldiers in ridiculous Foreign Enterprise wars then donald trump in the white house. But then yes even events surely know and gnashing your right on Foreign Policy im im im not interventionists if i were president weve gotten our troops out of afghanistan 10 years ago look im not in the old cat and i dont want to american troops all over the world but we have more troops in the middle east now under donald trump we still have troops in afghanistan under donald trump thats not trumps a faulty to know the 1st thing about any of this but look man my friend go back to the report if you read the mahler report its clear donald trump in the Trump Campaign colluded with russia trump welcomed russian interference in our election you cant have that i dont want this that everything is either an email or a board on the one hand i thought it completely. God no it didnt encourage in your face and he sent the entire. Senate of the United States congress is a sham because it didnt didnt support the house on impeachment. The muller report makes clear that donald trump obstructed justice repeatedly the moller report also makes clear that there was collusion and muller was very clear that there wasnt enough collusion to rise to the crime level of a conspiracy but certainly there was enough in there to have impeached him and that was before what he did with ukraine you know i think the problem the program here is that if youre going to get rid of trump youre going to get rid of those 77000 swing voters in the midwest that got him through the Electoral College threshold given that you are saying it was putin in moscow that persuaded those 77000 presumably the russian government say they would democratically elected and donald trump certainly says he was democratically elected its not a very nice to say to the 77000 voters who clearly did not one in 3 clinton in the white does that it was all Putins Facebook ads that somehow got them to vote republican you know well never know as you will never know what we do know is this russia interfered in an unprecedented way specifically to help get him elected the difference it made well never know heres the deal though donald trump is getting killed in the polls right now that can change but if the election were held tomorrow biden beats him and biden beats him in the midwest biden kills him in wisconsin pennsylvania and michigan why not because of putin why because donald trump has miserably failed in our response to this virus and people in the midwest like all over the country they know that now thats trumps fault guys it doesnt matter who runs trumps camp. Truncheon easy it and he cant keep his mouth shut thats his own fall jump and his people would be the 1st to say this is its a federal government there is state why health care you cant put it all on the white house but again there you are supporting biden you know that biden didnt even support the segregated schools so basically youre supporting someone who is on the record in accused of being a racist in the white house and the race as well but not trump yeah again ashen you got me man i dont im a tea Party Conservative joe biden and i dont agree on the issues to me this is more important than the issues when i got out of my almost hopeless primary challenge to tromp burning sanders was in the lead back in february and i said that id support Bernie Sanders i said at the time and i believe that id rather have a socialist in the white house than a dictator you can disagree with me but i believe donald trump is a dictator in to me thats a much scarier threat than then some left winger in the white house by definition your view must be in the majority of you add up all the democrats with the republicans you dont like drum but why do you think then that so many institutions in the United States all went along for the right since 2016 as trump did what you say are a terrible things trump says a great achievement. Well look ill be clear im no longer a republican because the Republican Party has become a cult and i do believe as well and this is an interesting discussion i think the Republican Party is breaking up i can tell you it is a fact that the vast majority of republicans in congress privately agree with what i say about trump theyre afraid to say it publicly because theyre its theyre afraid of trumps voters in thats going to continue look i think trumps going to lose but i think donald trump in trump is is still going to dominate the Republican Party so conservatives like me who dont like trump i think im going to be in the world in this for a while well well never know what they did in secret im going to ask you mike want peo says in public that he once an allied countries to china to some i want to fear and change the communist party of china and weve heard trump joking about china in what is being variously described as so cool cold war tombs do you think youll even get to november over legal and some kind of war against china we were thinking he was going to go into it on their own you know i think pomp alun i served with pompei on congress i know pompei i like him i think pompei was talking tough because donald trump doesnt talk tough about china my pompei o rightly talks tough and defends hong kong doesnt theres not one china trump and calling coronavirus the chinese myers. We will call it the chinese virus well call it the virus and then in private and in public man since january donald trump is going out of his way he not to blame china for this virus to say nice things about china look hes east puppet just like hes pot putins puppet the guy loves dictators i dont want a president who loves dictators and what happens if trump wins in november because trump says and anyway hes tweeted out in the past 24 hours its rigged it anyway he said rigged election and everyone knows. What he just only what a result of what a thing to say what a new thing for the president to say the reason hes doing that is because hes a he knows hes losing donald trump knows hes probably going to lose and he wants all of his supporters the day after the election to say what hes saying now that it was rigged he wants them to believe that our elections are not legitimate again what a thing is. Its not its. Just like you are with the russians. Well not knowing exactly what he should think to say to say to to deal legitimize our own lections before they even happen but again this is an example of trump putting themself before the country he didnt give a damn about the country all he cares about his downfall and thats why hes in the mess hes in right now joe walsh thank you thank you man after the break is one of britains most subversive going to miss stephen bell leaving the Guardian Newspaper under attack for its new liberalism and its alleged lies about judy the sons of Jeremy Kuhlmann he joins us a picture of all that and dining with the Prime Minister bars job all this all coming up on do going underground family that. The world is driven by shaped by the curse of those great. Dares thinks. We dare to ask. About me and by north its so many people because they copy him hes so good that even such a bad puppy sending. Im not to kill anybody a good. Deal to find that makes the. 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Great story but of course it isnt true. Im getting to go shares with the guardian but all my life because im afraid i dont know over the last few months several months after negotiating about. My position im sure im getting your number 70 next year thats not something i will learn next year if im still there ill be 40 years on the guardian at the moment its coming up to 30 knowing. Knowing this eliminated out of the way this leak came from but it was. I think its a malicious story that somebody wants me to be gone obviously sunday telegraph in the sunday telegraph there is a very some danger and i think i dont think im attending to your racism yeah it says complete drivel. There is not a fact you can gain contact me to check the story or to get my reaction i mean thats thats a given of journalism if youre writing a story about someone you checked with them or even if youre expecting them just to deny completely you at least check with them now he tweeted this and i think about di you like ross i somebody pointed out to because i dont i dont look at twitter that often these days im fed up with twitter but. Afraid of what my colleague martin right Martin Rowson rang me and said dont you see always represent twitter so i. Was out there bound i already went by now that it is ridiculous tweet saying that ive been sacked for reasons of racism in new jersey and god knows well so do it pretty to tell. So of course like a photo i responded in a sense because he was making your thoughts your statement that. I was it with what ive read you what i did was confirm the story which is stupid of me but actually im stuck between negotiating with a guardian for years nothing was resolved what were all those the only thing that was result was that my contract as it is which is a very big contract with the guardian and this is the reason we really go just because they are introducing swinge in cut so im probably the most expensive freelance so were in negotiation about reducing it wasnt about being sacked for misdemeanors or any kind theres nothing like that thats a question of the right but the guardian served by me and so some. Real released a story and this bloke is putting this out on twitter the results are always the stories i dont know i still want to catch hold of him her guardian after next and an exwife. I think. As we go every as we got that were facing our 190 job experience flashed the chapel was you know obviously worried ive been back to all the chapel for many years of the any judge can you do a chapel well at this point the tweet is still open Chris Williams a Business Manager in the sunday telegraph them by the barclay brothers you know im just saying he was doing his job he got information he tried to put it out there but the Guardian Press office himself got in touch with you its not you did not explain to them what was happening but. It is so that you have the guardian have been remarkably silent about it they havent received the im the only one is the really the problem is because ive already annual contract and i dont know after next year whether or so what we might do i mean ive got to say im the best alternative well why wouldnt he we can neatly go from this case and the n. U. J. Chapel in the sackings at the guardian the money redundancies to why on a no one checked the story because youve been there thats not and thats my thats my key element my Response Twitter i sort of receive try to put it ive got a nice list but. People its usually found for abuse of all sorts when you said i didnt think id and were talking about some of the greatest journalists in history in this country hes like yeah cameron you know i think. People going to remember these great journalists and they wouldnt judge karen was a very distinguished journalist i remember sitting next to him as a young whippersnapper at a Union Meeting regard you know ive ive always worked in brighton some about a dividend always but remarked the arm which everybody dont need to grow up done it all my working life rarely i got to go up there now and again and this is back in the eightys and it was a big crowd it making about something rather hard it was. That theres lot of people there. And i was i sat next James Cameron it was great but i think we actually. Dont know so famous you know. Walker 20 Foreign Correspondent yeah it was only during the boom and now seen imperial wars in the United States were going to get into any and obviously. That that wallace emerges nothing to do with your current work and you cannot explain your recent cartoons in the wake of the russia report show showing boris johnson. Doing whack a mole presumably think coronavirus sic yes stamina and i mean organism kind of buckling does explain why cant sports and can stammer just some buckler actually think he is banning its front bench from coming on my program at the moment and well yeah i. Care so im not you know im not im not really the antique i was i was i tend to be more pro corporate so i was sorry to see him go i think corbett was true juiced horribly and abused constantly and lied about and all the rest but hes gone now hes over the last up to good whipping boy id like to bring it back at with him a bit more but. But i cannot i guess your storys been performed very well at Prime Ministers question of times id like to say so youre making your stance that im comfortable. But if it was it was it was a strange to suggest or doing that came out of the blue its very rare the. Quite often people will send me ideas this a lot but you know 99 times out of 100 the idea is you know just dont work with the person and sort of suggest you know. You care stumble across somebody but. I think theyre sort of like sorry if i had because there is something. Bodys eyes without rabbit in the headlights look so a very worried look dont cry no its price plump and rick chunky jaw hes got and hes got this amazing little right in tune with the fact that hes often so often im like you know we call when congratulating the government on its response to coronavirus or one eminent. Party that is about the idea of im here to serve im the leader of the loyal opposition its that kind of thing which is you know of course is is that his role but there is a point where you do have to. You do have to come company from the government in some ways but hes been very good at rattling orus i mean doriss just doesnt know what to do about it he sees totally screwed so i think in that regard but i think in the long term if i sort of butler actually ive made even so a jeeves like carrot is called keefs now geez i was brought up on page you would alice books about jeeves and about lord emsworth a newspaper i used to skive off school to rate because he was i love page with us and i love jesus i love. Now hes in the black ink a poster thing was there was a nice sort of bumbling character my stroke. Is not so nice to ski season really quite unpleasant obvious think given very easy to discern when you can tune it back into an asset and there was an evil there with tony blair you can see he has a degree i mean well one of the name you know im just thinking Martha Johnson is just a bumbling incompetent specially when it comes to cartoons where you have bumbling uncovered i just im as a bum you know its gone but its the great mark of her i dont even bother to draw actually ill tell you about boris my relationship with boris goes down back quite a long way and usually i actually worked for boris so many years when he was as respected actor. A year as my cartoons regularly. He came to make the he like mark work this is back in about 2000 when during the blair again as it were when the tories all right out in the cold and why would they be interested in a severe lefty obsessive like me were puzzled me at the time but it was a you know i was doing the guardian time but it was nice to be noticed by somebody else and i didnt. See anything easy or you might be emptied into protecting some i need nathan brown to meet me and what i what im told you know. But its not james intended nor is any senator always a journalist but since hes become a Prime Minister he said hes like it is our strong like susan is a very good customer whos very good. You know he took the old pif very well and. He didnt interfere at all the only spiked one which he got it. And used me regularly for several years to have a deep knowledge of boris deeper than any other Prime Minister or political leader because ive met you i had lunch with it once i gave him. Go but as i said how to conduct his life he didnt listen but well you know its just it he in his own carry. On a personal way a personal level a gunfight with political and i says we all think about political commentary i mean youre ripping the people. For their people think youre just doing it because they look a sting but what youre doing is youre attacking the public persona. So in a sense me doing him is a simple you might think a but its a kind of way of depersonalizes so get rid of the fact that i actually used to work. But im just wondering if youre not good for it oh im sorry sir boreas your house or if youre being an arse chorus your house last night. Communicate with boris again is about progress 7 years ago its funny but some artwork offer is great and to be out it was quite obvious if it was the overt but you know what can you say. I dont see it was the founder evil because of that with him on a personal level but you know hitler was kind to dogs mark johnson is no hitler no ones going to say that just very briefly human the people who have been in movie worrying about you know being in the guardian the usual question on things getting kind and more respectful to politicians and people seek to ban satire that is too mischas it can sing like that and there is a bit of a crisis in that have you had to cut to the script and thats an ongoing problem because. Were all freelancers very few stars i think perhaps. You might find light Creative Work so might start as everybody else everybody else is free their own stuff just ive never been offered a soft job in all the years thought nearly 40 years of it work the guardian. So youre slightly below this so ill be on the payroll something in some ways that it works to our Mutual Benefit because the guardian and i have mutual tonight a part of it. Which is sort of gloriously showed in this most recent evans arbor though it was neither of us quite know whats going on and i dont know were going to know either were going to break it was in may seem well thank you openly you will be joining us in the studio when we stop doing lockdown additions are going underground thats the finishing there will be back on saturday again in the lock down edition to join us on social media to let. The sudden forced and illegal takeover of the government by a small group. Rather than the revolutionaries or so just condemn small groups the operation when you have a tiny group of people who have all the power you have to have some means to make sure the rest of us dont get together and talk about. These are sacrificing. Places that capitalism exploited and destroyed for profit and left behind misery poverty environmental devastation and so you see things like Voter Suppression building more prisons you seem gerrymandering all sorts of undemocratic practices are well in that world are well into. Question the coup detat. Sure seemed wrong but all the rules just dont call. Any new world yet to shape out these days become educated and indeed from an equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. The headlines in our t. V. Us city pleading with the president for a cease fire lead is important and on trump threatening more federal troops to clamp down on anti racism protests the mike is with in washington are also in disagreement with violent rioters american artists have hijacked legitimate protests shame on you mr barr can i just say mr iemma you cannot just in time is expired. 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