Suppression and failing border situation similar to scotland in westminster Western Australia is now back to new normal while noble and folks are unlocked and again i dont think you could have been any clearer john says well done we should all learn from new zealand how to manage this virus trevor says they havent killed it it will be back when people start travelling to the end of the world again and finally roselle says all the Women Leaders have done great. There is a new Coalition Government in ireland it will fit the foil back in the driving suit and the home market and sworn in as to shark of Prime Minister no no great surprise there my guest today back there have been led to 3 correlation governments between the years 1997 and 2008 and he was a fin a foil t. Shirt and Prime Minister have of the new government in dublin comes of a clear difference the 2 great parties of the state in a foreign finagle have joined together the coalition for the 1st time in a century of independence they did this to the keep the upstart shin fein who actually topped the fall in the last general election he held martins administration of inherited a stunning International Diplomatic success with ireland elected on to the Security Council of the United Nations for the the 1st time however that government will also have to deal with the substantial economic followed of both covert and brecks so fails the lander file and im joined by former tisha bethia have whos speaking to me from his foreman in dublin that welcome to the alex salmond show thank you very much alex and its nice to be talking to you again and lace me on your show about it youre no stranger to Coalition Governments of a new lead 3 coalitions in your time as as tisha but a coalition between finn a file of the feeder galas Something Different altogether how surprising a development is that in the context of the 100 year history of irish independence i suppose its not wholly surprised alex because since 2016 at ciena fault had been supporting gina galen government but somebody outside with a country supply arrangement so they were working actual shit together down day probably had never gone over decades the best. You are island 2nd longest 7 Prime Minister of. Second only to Edmund Beverley and i himself must have been very very surprising as a leader of the foil of the official to see the. Whole particular than the coalition with the great rivals of a 100 years of that is quite a spectacle of the vellum of the slightly the tories and the labor party going into coalition in the u. K. Yeah but you know the histrionics vote both parties kind of grew out of the proagreement anansi agreements of december 1021. 00 and they went their separate ways after the civil war. Gina gale 1st of all Central Command of gale it was called and in the fall down under devil d era was set up in 1926 and they they were the 2 enemies faina fought and beat again right down to true history and civil war politics probably continued for for many decades in ireland. And then Economic Issues took over and so so it is new but i suppose like everything alex and new generation of younger generation. Things were not as polarized as the noradrenalin and a good friday agreement kind of settled down and the Peace Process developed issues where were not as difficult to strike those that where even in the sixtys seventys and eightys so i think people in the last election finnigan a loss holds for the fall and did not continue to gain stock they didnt in 2016 and there are 4 and this kind of force the position where if we were to have a stable government and not go back to having another election and say defaulting again have to go together so i think itll work out ok and if its different it will be difficult but you know and the challenges of Economic Issues and covert 19 issues so well have to see how it plays out alex. Im highly surprised were you to see the the success the breakthrough of sion fame in the february election and was that in your estimation to mainly to Economic Issues or the constitutional issue an island no edge it was very much Economic Issues i think what happens and alexs is as simple as this that seen a gale wording governments seem to fall were seen by a sizable amount of the electorate to be propping them up and supporting them so its left. An opportunity for shin fein and who had a good election day they kept it very much under kind of me and they had a good housing spokesperson the housing is a big issue here of the lack of them in the republic and theyve loved finance flows present and had a good Health Spokesperson so they kept our campaign cleverly. Tree are for and front faces of the parakeets who are good performers and am i think theyre probably surprised when they did surprise themselves alex because they eat you know our system its not 1st past the post is proportional representation multiseat constituencies and if they had to start more candidates ad they would have our you be one d probably another 10 or 12 states and would have been the Largest Party so i dont think they saw their own success coming and so now but now daryn net and a good position from their Development Point of view there now they may not position parity and Mary Mcclure Mcdonnell is the leader of the opposition so shell get far more coverage publicity and all the things that go with being. A front line positions spokesperson a lot i once said in the age of scott of politics the oppositions tend to become government. Some point would that be what beilin mcdonald as is thinking though that she isnt a stiff agent was strong position as the the opposition the dominant Opposition Force from the yeah i think so its how they perform and how they deal with opposition constructive opposition i think she can feign very traditionally tended to be against everything and im far nothing and you know and now i think theyre going to have to nuance their position in more could stall out of objective way and supporting issues when it makes sense to do so in stride and in opposition when not and thatll be a new far to. You you and i would say alex normally in opposition would would develop that position easy enough but it has not been some to induction fane have ever had to do so and im not saying they wont do it they have some very good people had a of capable people who are not involved in the troubles they have their articulate spokespersons and certainly a group of them so dont perform i take the electorate will watch their performance and over the next few years so its a big opportunity for them but its also a difficulty for them how they actually could you know create and a constructive opposition that scene by deal lectors and to be ready to be in government. And how about there the government itself the new administration i mean you know the path now to very well may hold martin lee of a god who is they will they operate together as Prime Minister and that meet the Prime Minister of in the in the new coalition yeah i think and me whole american has been a around a long time he was in all of my government sigmas back when i was leader of the opposition he was not physicians postperson so he has served the end of the problems of health and Foreign Affairs and industry and education so hes at a why is politician he says you know we i think hes well up for the task its a rotational teisho so in 2 and a half years time at the end of 2020 2 d and the override who comes back in again so he has a fixed periods to perform and to use his energies on his experience to do well so i think its a great honor for him might even see it as a great opportunity in this political career it would be less recent stunning that robotic success of being elected to the Security Council of the United Nations give us an impasse the how important that is for the proceeds and reputation of violin worldwide yeah its very very important to our salix we work very hard to win date at decision the council and i think probably the Foreign Affairs and the government to determine to make it work and to do a good job honest and i think theyll have to be realistic as well and you know but also ambitious and but they they tend to do the council and nowadays. As youre familiar with alex from all our times as it is has huge workload its stealing east play plan which about targeted by the could return to a country of one. As situations and 20 crosscutting to mattick issues all around Global Security this is this will be a great diplomatic challenge for us but one that the country is very proud of and you know protecting our Peace Keeping our country resolution and reconciliation and these are the ends areas where we talk to to focus on that to him of course to talk about the onset of the world financial crisis of of just more than 10 years ago what should i say the mission of. This situation compared to that that Great Recession following the financial collapse that are in the world is that more or less serious in your estimation what is fascinating for a guy like me alex unasur you too is is how the companies have changed and the 1st thing everybody did was 12 years starting years ago when the problem started and they they stop spending money they told stock they they brought in a sterile measures left right and center. And you know we suffered and out in our next course we had a property boom which was a lot of our own making show those are very different assets be taken by the powers that they vote in you do get European Central bank and other is situations and the world bank i. M. F. To describe a system was taken to overcharging years ago so therefore my conclusion is if they stick with that for a period i think we can get through this and not easily and bored with it in a fairly quick time spent. John the soft of the well ill continue my conversation with the 2nd longest salving Prime Minister nitish history they have to have. Was a pandemic no certainly no borders just blind to nationalities. Has emerged we dont know but certainly we dont look like world peace to be. A judge of. Commentary crisis at least the same things. We can do better we should. Everyone is contributing to each of our own way but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever the challenges create the response has been masked so many good people are helping us. It makes us feel very proud that we are in it together. World is driven by a drunk. Person. Dares thinks. We dare to ask. Problems drugs dont always come from unscrupulous dealers but from pharmacies too and every state in the United States we see a very sharp increase in the number of people seeking treatment for addiction to prescription opioids invited to america under the banner of medicine persisted with the pain but instead of trying to wean him off though she just goes after dose after dose after dose and really became his drug dealer so whos to blame patients doctors manufacturers all the governments of. Welcome back i mean conversation with best to have a 2nd longest serving Prime Minister to shock in the history of phylum best to have ireland is facing a double economic kwami it with the Economic Impact of blacks it made you must be kidding as you look at the negotiations between the betters governments and the European Union so a staggering towards up potential cliff edge at the end of this year yeah well you know like you. Just it its a disaster start to finish and continues to be so but anyway we are where. We are as a young people say nowadays that. The door is no extension rishis government my clothes made up their d. End of the year it is day is to transition period ends. I think the as a as we talked the. Discussions are continuing to endure during continued and right through july and august now and we hope addition tens of vicechancellor talks brings us to. Some solutions because i can give we drift into september october it will be too late its a complex issue if youre his october all of a whatever agreement is race shifter is agreement i assume and hope there will be but if theres one adult house we translate it into over 29 wages and a legal text have to be checked to make sure theres not into translations of great problems and were on to a new regime from the 1st of january as so and he areas that are on stand and as i understand this fisheries at a level Playing Field today Law Enforcement underage additional cooperation and governance as of these already issues thats have to be cracked during the remainder of this month and holiday month of august so you know its down to the wire still once again a book recs it for over 4 years now has tended to be that way. I bet to him if youre a stablished the very secure relationship with one of the government and standing for the the good friday agreement. Would you have any advice for me home optimum of a stablished of walking away from set with a johnson government during day tony blair years and your garden brown years there was considerable interest in number 10 in irish chose to was a lot of people in and the vets at senior level that you go down to fairly well but with arlington cable was always high in the agenda one of the very very sad tangs about the u. K. Leaving and the u. K. Government leaving they are paying union is that daily contact of ministers politicians officials advisors agencies meeting actually repeat meetings metion in strasbourg and brussels meeting in london and dublin thats end it and back to playfully and under 31st of the same british year you know sold and it was built up from 1970 trade doc chose contact is gone and i think theres a lack of appreciation that that is the case at the form of structures and the informal structures all ceased under 31st the same british year and there isnt really any other all tears now older than it is situations of good friday agreement and you know that kind of personal contact you know that the form of meetings or wanting unexposed is the relationship ship built up its to contact to people know who took phone or you know who to check serve you know who are going to get on to be that that thats gone and you know whats been built up over the period since that nutria is gonna and i think thats a Great Sadness and its something done has been badly or underestimation in at all paying and and whats being written about breakfast. And listen and the views the new tisha home often has been not so that cautious about any prospects for them egypt bought a poll to test the question of of violence here the tape is the right to express that caution on the cover and suck them stanzas he is aleksey assets and the reality is an extension and its kind of a reality but even though the border has been a big issue undecided and since 1021 the amount of work and alices preparedness of how you would and limitations on have one i meant economy and demand to work and that is very little in fact it would fail when youre folders so there is an issue of mounds of and preparedness and and ledges if examination and legal examination and you know how you would integrate to guard you should karna day to guard the peace force and the republic but the p. S. N. Ion organize elude Legal Systems are all these things and would have to be worked through before you could go to the people and damn it none of that work has ever never been done and weve been talking at each other for years and so and if somebody wants to rushes and for political reasons well parts will happen is you get a political answer and the people reject it and so and i think you know my view is not that we should never do which of course i am a republican and it is a game of number one aim of phina follow the party i lead and for years and it was actively involved at every level at that unifications a conflict but it has to be done properly properly organize properly negotiation trying to convince people that any other way will only lead to term hardship and failure. And your political career beth a him finally of you see in Rapid Economic Development a phylum beyond any thing that could have been imagined you have seen the precious price of peace a stablished through the island the there you see the the challenges of of covert the the brechts the looming not on the horizon but in the valley of need to fill in towns of the reality of it these are extraordinary developments are here any thoughts on how d i havent this place to face that knew what all that women i think i wanted to tell a good position on x r a population is rising all the time and thankfully education levels are rising all the time weve most for young people now go to charge level high proportion of retard never graduates wanted to ph d. Some further studies were continuing to attract an enormous amount of Foreign Direct Investment into the into the country. And employment and ireland today is double what it was when i was labor minister dealing with debt high unemployment in crisis after 2 years ago but we have a generation who are by and large hard working and there are anxious to and to able to drive things forward so yes 50 challenges but i think that the future of handle race of manager and if sensible decisions are taken which i hope will happen and if we continue to keep peaceful island more than anything else and ahead of us back as you know alex for so far 2 years and its least now are and can be seen around the world as a pace of Economic Sustainability economic advantage and not not a place for tears for just a struggle as we are seeing for a long time so we have a lot of pluses and minuses i think just have to be handled very carefully and delicacy well in towns of international role. Island which was once called the island beyond the island. As assuming some santa stabs in and european town with and theyd want to. Quote what role will island be able to play in that and that new environment yeah were a very very happy and a suppose a 2 front which a Great Success has recently with day which the Security Council which we were talking about for a bit served and have a seat 4202120228 finance minister hat is to take over the euro group as is charity euro group so i think increasingly our people are working outside of the country and theyre involved in and developing that we have as nearly as much an Irish Investment in the United States now as weve United States invested in ireland which has been an extraordinary position of Irish Companies now been able to bring f. T. High the other way and that youre mr trump is aware of that problem and it is a fact and so we continue to i think you punch above our weight but when youre small and when youre a trading country when youre export like we survived and on an issue to levels of exports and if we were had to be just supplier sounds we go underwater very quickly alex so we have to be competitive and we have to be bright we have to be smart we have to be innovation that we have to work carriage and when youre a 9 and you know in north and south and 6000000 or so but continue to write this week we have to work very well but there are opportunities and outs and i do see opportunities for Northern Ireland if the cards are played well and they will still be partially dating which and. The regulation and the e. U. Markets and also have the u. K. Position of being out of excess and so if its played right they can get the best of both worlds and if its not paid late and be a disaster but i think it i think people realize that if they play right ordinary come a very good place to to work and invest in and id love to see that and to get into power in our disability that it probably has never had so and it. Challenges but i think theyre the ones that have bring a lot of opportunity alex that they have in the 2nd longest serving to show them that has their phylum thank you very much for joining me on the all examine show thank you very much alex and a pleasure to be on your program. In the 100 year history of independence ireland has never faced greater challenges or greater opportunities after a shaky start the dublin government handled the covert crisis well much better on any measurement than the london counterparts at least diplomacy has succeeded spectacularly in securing elevation to the Security Council of the United Nations but a failed to persuade westminster to call canny on but accept the consequent danger to dietitian kaname is very clear that indeed there is some level of opportunity faced with a clear choice between london and brussels ireland has chosen europe as a result its clear position within the Single Market will give a degree of competitive advantage compared to britain which will to some extent of say the top dillons of bricks and then theres the question of either through unification it may not be an immediate prospect but it can be argued to every rational reason for the partition of a sense their goal has either been a routed or has disappeared entirely their rationality doesnt always determine Human History but has a habit of shaping our ends rough hew them how we will and so forth this mean im a self and all of the show is good bye for now stay safe well see again next week. Now is the issue of trying to playing out in the American Election cycle both trump and biden betray themselves as being tough on beijings maybe they are at least rhetorically but reality tells a very different story and its bipartisan the commanding heights of industry and finance for to china for decades and their riches to show is this china still. I 1st heard about these you know. From the helicopter for troops in iraq. Or i still get down to people going to im going to with military who have never forgiven. The traitor and truth of the book and it will make it look to some he was really starting to have. Independent journalists and that was you got to see a lot of crimes to have nothing at all and. The idea of developing an anonymous digital trombones and applying it to the media consensus means that he thinks that was a friends. Control and just right that he would be truthful. And one of the worlds most powerful news will remain very serious Anderson Anderson every founder of the song give a song knowing. That there was a great deal of jealousy in the minds of her for the song why wont it be more like all that q. Seen all for. Instance when he. Says my. Records. For. Giuliani sides. I dont see him. When hes taking. A. Grip support. Deploys federal troops in the city while the president. What cities are doing is absolute insanity many of the same problem. Resources for