First across the line russia says it has a code of its vaccine good to go questions already coming from the west of the how it made such quick progress. Those are the headlines for this hour coming up next his political larry king. Front line perspective on the covert 19 pandemic on the city politics. The politicking on larry king as the National Death toll tops our 140000 we laid off for the front line perspective on the cold the 19 pandemic from the chief physicians of the state of delaware dr rick pesca drawer including whats his assessment of the state of testing and the effectiveness of public outrage thanks for joining us dr how do you describe the cold 19 situation in the United States right now the president said yesterday were doing well. Pushback on that larry you know we have talked about this from the beginning that there is a need for a comprehensive nationwide strategy leveraging the resources of the federal government and bringing them to bear in situations in areas where theyre needed and were feeling that now in the southern United States in the western United States just being ruthlessly transmitted and having terrible things. Not been found jesus said that we going to have 100000 new cases a day if this is not change you agree with that absolutely theres no question we need a nationwide strategy we need to return to the science and we need to let data drive our decisions. Whats the condition and where weve been very fortunate here in delaware speaking to our data driving decisions our governor has really leaned into the science and allowed the science to be the overwhelming factor in what drives everything we do weve seen a decrease in cases weve seen a decrease in hospitalizations and severe illness weve seen an explosion in our ability to provide testing for our citizens and were very optimistic as how are states doing but you know just as what happens in your state can influence what happens in my state because you can come here and i can go there to not take into context whats happening all over our country would be a mistake. What are you doing right those florida is doing wrong you know i think that things are so variable and we are extremely fortunate to hear out government the citizenry that is leaning into making sure that what we do protects everybody around us our our citizens have has taken to social distancing Wearing Masks weve had an absolutely fantastic contribution from all of our community and Hospital Partners in making sure aint making sure that testing finds its way to individuals and those things have been absolutely paramount in helping us flatten the curve. And doug says the young people are propagating the current upsurge in call the 19 gauges but hes not blaming them these young people are doing this in this innocently and in that merton really what do you make we have one year olds getting it now what do you make of apps weve seen the same thing here in delaware where down at the beaches we saw an explosion in cases in patients who are the age of people who go to beaches and as we see people move back into day cares as we see schools begin to reopen were going to see more cases in children and for us not to understand everything thats happening there for us not to take the science for us not to learn along the way you do everything we can to protect that really most Precious Resource would be traps. I you know schools opening we are going to take a very slow systemic and data driven approach to helping schools you know i agree with what the American Academy of p. The American Academy of pediatrics says that schools are absolutely pivotal to social growth and that learning happens in person but then were also going to pull on this technological pieces that allow us to deliver education to students remotely so were going to approach a hybrid solution to opening schools and were going to do so with having those 3 pillars in place the social distancing the masking and wide availability to fast turnaround testing here in the city nowhere. But a month ago you said there was an issue more has warned of coven 1000. 00 testing times she also said you believed well be seeing the establishment of high volume high volume universal testing sites combined with increasing surveillance whats your assessment of testing right now in this country. Testing in this country is a mess testing in the state of delaware is doing fantastic we have those high volume throughput testing sites and we are bringing point of care antigen testing to bear all of those things matter very much testing in the country on the broader scale lessons have not been learned the ability to get ahead of things was not taken advantage of and were seeing slow down of turnaround in testing in our large commercial labs were seeing redirection of resources to all the wrong places across the country and its really disappointing that we didn t. Could be any age of the lead time we had to put testing in place where we needed it all over the nation. This was supposed to go away you must go away in the summer what happened and i dont think anybody thought anybody who knew what they were talking about but that was going to appen we know that this is a respiratory virus we know that its going to spread and speaking about sort of attenuated transmission for u. V. Or he is important to talk about but to think that it was ever going to wear going away was i think some of us pulling the wool over our own eyes we knew that this was going to be with us we had warnings all across the world not just the country for us not to take advantage of those warrants for us not to have a comprehensive National Strategy in place is a failure theres no getting around it. Weve been hearing about and engine testing what does that answer do in testing is exciting in the past few weeks weve seen f. D. A. Authorization of antigen testing this is a direct test that looks for direct evidence of the virus the whole bothers not just that sort of r. N. A. When we talk about p. C. R. This sort of dread it needs will swap or other ways we get the assessments and to do testing can be sort of immediate turnaround doesnt have as good sensitivity as the p. C. R. Testing that most commonly used testing but it has operational advantages that allow us to get information about patients in real time and i think that were going to see utilization of antigen testing weve seen that the Department Department of health and Human Services is placing it to do testing into Long Term Care facilities across the country i think well see antigen testing in schools i think well see antigen testing in all sorts of congregate settings and i think its a i think its a great innovation. Well im getting too complicated whats the difference between manned engine and the money and g. M. Is the virus its looking directly for presence of the virus and antibodies looking for evidence of your bodys response to the virus the sort of immune response one is direct the other is indirect but they both have a role to play. And the Delaware Division of Public Health d. P. H. Is partnering with walgreens for a couple of 19 testing housing or going out its going really well so i cant say enough states to these pharmacy partners where we make the call and the next day were all together seeing what we can do to provide 16 reliable infrastructure for covert testing throughout the state for the past few weeks months weve had these massive drive up sex systems with the National Guard and other volunteers and Public Health personnel and theyve been fantastic and theyve really allowed us to get the last of around this floor but theyre not sustainable and theyre not predictable and theyre not as good a solution as being able to go to your neighborhood walgreens whenever you need to and have a test available to you that is safe its fast its easy and its process for free and rapidly through our Public Health lab you have also said the confusion and misinformation surrounding cloven is nearly as significant a Public Health concern as the virus itself what it will remain. I mean that you cant get it straight nobody can get it straight you log on to social media to lay media and theres so much information out there that its my job to be able to sort through it and sometimes i have difficulty its hard to know what is the science and what is the science sort of biased by politicization or or just by anecdote or opinion its extremely difficult and its making this more difficult for everybody for me to you know to all of your viewers to everybody who interacts on social media every single day and thats dangerous not having clear concise and evidence based messages its dangerous and its going to cost lives. But where does the public trust more of the information now the department of health and Services Change the governments coma 19 Data Collection hospitals and now and to report data on komen 19 directly to a. J. Jess when you think of that you know i wasnt thrilled with that change if only d for the logistical burden in place on hospitals that are fighting every day to keep people safe we need safe and reliable sources that are free of bias and rely on information and data not anecdote and opinion and theres only one place that were going to get that its the same place that weve always got it its unbiased and that gathering journalists were able to share that information with the public which is why i think these things are so critical area i think having these conversations and sharing them with the public is one of the most important things we can do and. Whats a typical day like for you and i have difficult day im im up as soon as i can get out whatever my kid starts crying and i go to get or im all over the state im in the office i met Testing Centers im in the laboratory im meeting with partners to do everything we can set sort of to those boxes which is again to say to flatten that curve to get Testing Available to everybody to have it turn around rapidly to have an accessible to everybody no matter who you are where you are what your barriers are. Its been the greatest challenge of my professional life so far and i dont know what to say ive learned more in the past few months than i have in the past years ive been an honor and its been incredible and i work every day just like the rest of this team thats just truly fantastic not to bring life saving interventions to people across the city. Or about the lack of leadership from washington yeah you know last time we spoke i had a muted response and that you know i made i didnt say that what we all can see right now that theres a lack of response from washington theres a lack of a concerted and and sort of. Approach a sort of organized approach across the country ive been extremely grateful to watch that our state has benefited from that executive leadership at stake in the science and not let the politics and not let the enemy do not let bias pull it one way or the other and allow that data to drive all the decisions. One dog in imposing what is the biggest problem with this virus what makes it so puzzling. You know that i dont know that i have a single answer to that and i think that theres so many things that puzzle us again and again we started off with a relatively limited understanding of the asymptomatic and precint dramatic transmission and now we know that nearly half of people with the virus will be eastern to america time of diagnosis which is truly unbelievable weve got back and forth about what how its transmitted is it airborne is it droplet what is the role of services in contract in the virus we learned so much every day ringback and probably the biggest challenge if i have to lay hands on one is that we have to be open to changing how we understand the virus we have to be willing to say we were wrong earlier we have to be willing to change our approach and change our tactics based on new information and frankly i think thats difficult for a lot of us but weve learned weve learned a lot none very optimistic about whats. Dr always great seeing you thanks so much for joining us thank you sir really appreciate it thanks doc and well be back with more politicking right there with this break. Well the pandemic no certainly no blood is just blind to nationalities. As americans we dont have a theory we dont have the facts in the whole world beats to be the chief. Judge of. Comedy crisis at least distance and time so we can do better we should. Everyone is contributing each of our own way but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever the challenges created the response has been masked so many good people are helping us. It makes us feel very proud that we are in it together. We go to work so you stay home. Join me every thursday on the alec simon show and ill be speaking to guests of the world of Politics School business im show business ill see you then. Welcome back to politicking coronavirus and capitalism plus the 2020 campaign and keep being happy its a pleasure to welcome for a wide ranging one on one the former president of the American EnterpriseInstitute Author of brooks shes a harvard professor a New York Times bestselling author host of the product casts the art of happiness shes also featured in the new documentary fishing with dynamite what does that mean. Fishing and i might as a documentary am im one of the people that they interviewed for the movie its an interesting movie its a very pro markets movie about it it recognizes that you know we can exploit the system you know we can you know we can cheat we can be corrupt if we dont use our morals capitalism isnt that savory earliest it doesnt take care of itself the bottom line it turns out that thats a way of fishing you can fish with dynamite if youre a stick of dynamite and all the fish in the lake will come to the surface you can harvest them but theres no more fish or anybodys the whole point and i guess the idea is that a lot of people are kind of fishing with dynamite these days and we should be better people. Im anxious to see it ok lets go recent polling shows a vast majority of American Voters believe this country is headed in the wrong direction. Do you share that view. No i dont i mean people have been saying that it and mostly its been a kind of a majority of people who thought that for a long time its really bad right now in particular for basically 3 to 3 reasons number one is the coronavirus have a direct number 2 is the polarization in politics thats been getting worse since the 2000 a financial crisis the 3rd is the social unrest that we see right now and so those events are making people feel really really pessimistic we have here today challenges in front of us but those are big opportunities i mean and i know you share this point of view because youre an optimist larry and im watching you for years and what optimists and entrepreneurs see is when everybody else sees these unfortunate circumstances whoa is me we have is a big opportunity to remember who we are as americans to make our Society Better and im kind of excited about that. My late friend the great Edward Bennett williams though i asked a month so you optimistic or pessimistic he said of course im tess im a 6 im smart. I know its also my dad used to say that you know he used to say you know as i said the gas tank got to halfway he said were going to be sleeping by the side of the road and say why are you such a pessimist that he said because i like to be pleasantly surprised. Youve asserted that capitalism is the greatest force for human advancement we have hows it doing in this man that make. Its tricky although i have to say im pretty encouraged by the fact that its capitalism thats going to find the solution of this pandemic it wasnt capitalism they created it i mean the truth is is market failures and you know we have a. 4 tarion regime in china that covered up this thing and it was a real problem for a long time and we didnt actually cover ourselves in glory in the United States so well the way that we dealt with it but its capitalism its you know private Drug Companies that are going to come up with a vaccine that therapeutics this thing is going to going to solve this problem for us so you know capitalism isnt always fun its not it was pretty but its lifted 2000000000 people out of poverty since youre not rich and its an engine thats going to keep doing just that. Concerned about post call that capitalism. I am and part of the reason im concerned is because were racking up a huge bill that were going to have to pay back and the way that we pay it back is going to be a Battle Ground between people who see the Economic System differently and again im not even to take sides i just see it continuing battle you know using the coronavirus of a democrat an opportunity to change the american system of Democratic Capitalism and that actually does worry me we need a period of american reunification we need to actually have politicians who are willing to to make compromises minutes astounding to me that we have you know one party that says that theyre willing to go hammer and tongs one says that we have a Corporate Tax rate should be 20 percent says 30 percent and and we can say look americans need a break lets have lets agree that for the next 10 years its going to be 25 percent or just something that normal people with that you would do in a business relationship that are politicians are unable to do and thats twisting our system and hurting our country. Why do you think its so prevalent now are among the years ago when members of the senate were friends with each other they go to a weekend they would have been at a game and they would learn to compromise while we noncompromising ball. One a couple Different Reasons one you have not like it larry im going to use it from now on you know into one of the reasons is because of gerrymandering the fact that we have districts that have been gerrymandered so that theres a 0 percent chance that an incumbent wont win and so those are blood red or dark blue districts and when you do that then you get people who are the most uncompromising people that are elected so that the farthest left people the farthest right people are elected to those Death Threats the 2nd reason is that the the new media and the media landscape in i mean people with the way the cable t. V. And the internet has worked is that its made it so you can filter out everything you disagree with and people can cater entirely to what they already thought and so the result of that is you get you dont get rewarded as a politician by compromising you get rewarded by getting clicks and getting on the the Television Network that favors your extreme point of view and thats all of those things as incentives come together to make it impossible for people you know they actually do like each other behind the scenes some of them do but that to pretend like they dont assist a sad state of affairs thats because of those forces we have to solve. This coming week is the last for which the 600. 00 federal unemployment enhance when is going to be paid what do you think. I think that were coming to a cliff and i think that and it has to come to an end at some point the problem is that we were hoping that the coronavirus lockdown would be definitively ended by this point that were seeing this kind of dislocation so i think is a possibility that the congress will in some way extend some of these benefits so that we dont have such a jag and drop off and i think that were actually going to have to find some way to open up and manage the crisis notwithstanding the fact that the threat is ongoing otherwise were going to have a big big economic problem in front of us and a number of republicans are jumping ship as as a professor of the practice of public leadership how do you a sense of how do you assess donald trump as a leader. Well donald trump is like like in the case of most leaders in both democracy and capitalism they follow the demand of the public you know people say that these great Corporate Leaders are visionary and rolling out these new products not i mean they figure out that is something that people really really want and they respond to it in politics these politicians and im going to have it for them i mean god forbid i should have to run for office and be a politician or are you larry i mean did the misery but but theyre reacting to market signals and so i see the things that people complain about trump or Bernie Sanders or any in a populist and polarizing political figures as responding to the signals more than creating the issues so we need to solve the underlying problem such that we dont create creating market signals to have politicians that we say we dont like but at this point of the it looks like trump is out a way back with a majority of americans thinking. Well trump is hes a hes a hes a cagey guy and hes figured out a couple of Different Things number one is by locking down a minority but potentially a plurality of the American Public and making the other side look scarier in other words you like the other guys less than you dislike me you dislike them more than you dislike me and number 2 were in a position the United States were the media does not have the trust of a lot of people in the american right so if you call and say im you know im im conducting a poll for National Public radio a lot of people on the right in wyoming or somebodys going to hang up on you know and so theyre getting 8 percent Response Rates and all trump is counting on the idea that a lot of people are going to vote for him who are not telling pollsters that and thats certainly what happened last time and if we look for a classic example of the other side would have be mitt romney. And then those which other side of it republicans that dont have this point of view say bet mitt romney is going to vote for joe biden i say yeah so there is a lot of counterexamples to whats going on in the Republican Party i mean maybe the most distinct counterexample to donald trump brand of republicanism would be george w. Bush i mean theres a dearth of bush was a love based politician hed love people i meet and to know george w. Bush is to love him i mean hes just and because he loves people hes not necessarily people that agree with his policies necessarily people didnt like his presidency necessarily but he is somebody who sees as his sacred duty to bring people together and to lift them up and and not everybody sees their sacred duty in that particular way and when youre in a populous time in american politics on both right left youre not going to find major politicians who have that fundamental philosophy very often what will i see you and i watch fishing with dynamite. Fishing with dynamite is a is a is a wonderful documentary and i didnt make it i was just in it but i was delighted when i actually saw it at the end fishing with dynamite talks about how the capitalist system requires morals before markets its a very pro markets movie and im very pro markets myself i mean capitalism is a miracle Democratic Capitalism in particular is just an incredible thing but but in the wrong hands were twisting and where we have have crony capitalism and where people are actually corrupt it could be really a curse and so it talks about morals who for markets its actually nice thing its on i tunes and and on apple t. V. Already people can go watch it but basically itll give you an idea of how you can support capitalism at the same time you can support basic morality theres things are not dots when you look at whats going on with protests and the like the the virus and the conflict and. Do you see. A government possibly in turmoil if tom for a. Tom chooses not to leave the white house lets say its a lot of yeah. I know but again yeah i know ive read that a lot but i just dont see it hes going to leave hes going to follow the typical constitutional process i mean he says provocative things but i dont see any indication that the people around him would suggest that we should have the affective we should effectively circumvent the constitutional process of the peaceful transfer of power if joe biden wins the presidency trump will leave on Inauguration Day and all shake hands and all shall go back to new york thats my thats my my boring prediction larry. You dont see im barricaded in the office. But if i persist i mean it makes for good twitter but i mean i mean donald trump will hell give pro hill hell say productive things that people can over interpret along those lines but i i strongly teleprinter be facing that eventuality op of thanks for your time today great having you with us great to see you larry as always. 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You know it seems that everyone these days rather than just rolling up the sleeves and doing a little hard work are trying to fix the problems we face would rather just let technology do the dirty work for us it seems to be one of the sad truth of the 21st century you know rather than sweeping up your own mess out of aruba to do it for you tired of parallel parking your car hello auto park too tired to pick up the remote just have a lexus lets change the channel for you