Ross talking this and more im joined by my guest Marcus Papadopoulos in london is the editor of politics 1st magazine and in budapest we have George Samuel he is author of bombs for peace natos humanitarian war on yugoslavia our gentlemen crossed up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate ok lets 1st go to budapest george i dont know what iteration of russia gate were in right now but again we have a hoax that is evidence free anonymous source the media ran with it of course the political opposition the United States democrats they ran with it. And if lots but i suppose most people that heard a conspiracy the version of that Conspiracy Theory believes its true this is turning into a pattern i must say george yes yes im right be that it is a pattern we have the same cost of carrying. Anonymous intelligence officials. We have the democratic. And we have the media and the pattern is exactly the same which is we have a story arise with no evidence. No documentary evidence no one speaking on the red core and a story that flies in the face of common sense such as you know why would the taliban want to kill americans when americans are withdrawing from afghanistan. Why would the russians want to kill americans when the United States is doing what russia wants it to do which is to withdraw from afghanistan. And you know this common sense notions fly out of the window and instead were onto the road of thats due to the stupid media story of what did the president know and when did he know it so the media assumes something is true and from going from if its true what does this mean about relations with both at the same yes yes it is true and whats going to do about it what is he going to do with putin so its exactly the same the same crap was before. And the consequences are already apparent because we now have the house of representatives that is tabling an amendment to the National Defense authorization act essentially preventing any u. S. Withdrawal from afghanistan unless the Us Government can prove the negative which russians are not assassinating americans well how do you to prove that you can prove a negative but thats it the Mission Accomplished no american withdrawal earmark is also down to what george missing here the taliban in killing americans for 18 years ok i mean why would they need the russians to help them out ok when thats what theyve been doing i mean the thing thats really quite pathetic about this in my mind this is akin to just mutiny. I dont care how you feel about donald trump this is another mutiny against the elected president of the United States by deep state bureaucracy and it is being egged on by the same usual suspects as George Porter now go ahead mark. Well look what we have seen develop in the ways in the wests over certain periods of time is a situation in which governments loyal groups think tanks and movements are able to make assertions without corroborates in these assertions weve concrete srong evidence indeed they dont even need to back up what they are audio and weve even an ounce of evidence and that is because journalistic standards in the west have all collapsed indeed let me reword that they have utterly collapsed and russia is a very good case study to exemplify the point there is ever since the american backed coup in ukraine into france and through st last has been athletes in a group who are offensive by western range dream media but i think that we have to take into consideration that this november there is an american president ial election so in the long term this allegation that russia has. To care what american who saved british soldiers is on the one hand part and parcel of a longer true offensive against russia zeman i said but in this sure there is no doubt in my mind that the emergence of this completely unfounded allegation is and hence the liberal elements in the american establishment through to ensure also trying to ensure that donald trump is not reelected this november so yes on the one hand russia is going to be a long term victim of western mainstream asia. I think this feature a story is more out. There to me and i dont think it really moves the needle one way or another i mean russia gate the primary to be the full feature film as it were was a complete flop and the the other iterations ukraine gave it just doesnt get any traction ok and and this is just one way another way to take a hit the president but george whats really whats more insidious here is that on one level its to deny filling a Campaign Promise ending. And less wars which i have to say all the ones hes inherited have been enhanced ok it was stayed with the record all right but also it is the indication that the bipartisan consensus about foreign wars is intact and it has the support of the Democratic Party and most importantly the media because the media will not take any moral responsibility for anything anymore theyre just the p. R. Outfit for the democrat for the d. N. C. I mean so on these 2 Different Levels they deny drums up until many of the promise and at the same time is to get back to the good old days of empire the way it used to be the way it should be and with the last 3 president ial elections the majority of people voted against that consensus and want to go ahead. Yes exactly right there was an article the other day in the New York Times written by. Diplomatic correspondent david sanger who has never met a wall that he didnt puff up and propagandize on behalf and the thrust of the. Item trump fighting russia in libya why isnt he fighting it in ukraine wisely fighting it is syria so the thrust of it is this is the New York Times you that trump should be fighting russia in the dispensary lets add 3 more wars to the already ongoing wars that the United States is engaged in and this is what were getting now with this amendment to leave the National Defense authorization act this is a bipartisan effort this is a list cheney you know of you know her dad you know the great the great cheney with the war on terror list cheney along with the democrats which absolutely determined to sabotage u. S. Withdrawal from afghanistan and we had this when trump trump you know several times floats the idea of withdrawing from syria how is of indignation from the democrats immediate accusations that hes just serving the interests of putin. And you know trump eventually is forced to withdraw notice what the democrats and the media arent indignant about theyre not indignant about the sanctions campaign against iran theyre not indignant about less isolation of a Senior Iranian leader that theyre not indignant about the sanctions campaign and the theft of assets in venezuela so any intervention aggression on the part of the trumpet ministration media is old but likely happy for if its any of these tentative moves to withdraw that causes the absolute arent syrian accusations of book collaboration. You know how much is it because one of the origins of this new hoax is that it was. Captured prisoners of the taliban making this claim here which of course the Afghan Government what support and the pentagon would support and and the the empire cheerleaders would support because its a gravy train over there everybodys didnt pay and the u. S. Taxpayer is name for it ok i mean you need the level of. Deceit is just hard to comprehend i mean the amount of money that has been poured into that conflict that has not been resolved they never should have been an invasion in the 1st place if they deal with al qaeda it should have been a Police Operation and that it was not reasoned occupy that country so you know all of the bad actors are in you know are teaming up and all the people that are being demonized have no idea what theyre talking about but the media doesnt tell you that go ahead mark and allegation pacer can only be taken seriously if it is corroborated with concrete answers and this allegation is to be distant mists because not only is there no shown evidence to support it there is not an absolute evidence to support it and i will say people in the american mainstream major and british mainstream major so consider a fact a few years ago the venice cia director says publicly that america was considering what killing a russian soldiers in the middle east syria he referred to russian soldiers in syria but it seems her co officer who was a western him an american major and british major. Say to the americans and the british if they want a story about afghanistan are a should consider this 1st how america actress and. The mujahideen which later on morphed into howie in killing soviet soldiers soviet soldiers who had been party to. Afghanistan to send the rise of islamic fundamentalism in the region i do also syrians and us orry about afghanistan then what lots of consider running aussie rules on how ever since the americans and the british are right in afghanistan in the fools who found obama over here production house some of us are who are now our ira later posts are stories we. Constitute a magnificent magnificently Food Production also and there is evidence massive evidence to prove. George is no more of a i mean theres so many inconvenient truths about afghanistan and not the most important one that mark has pointed out to us is that it was the United States under bush instead that supported the motion having to kill russian soviet soldiers in afghanistan they know no one has any sense of irony i suppose in washington i had last night hes not not at all. And it was done for no other reason other than to kill russians. And no no consideration at all for what how dangerous these people were i mean you know the judges you knew perfectly well you know who these people or what fanatics they were. And you know this is a great we just believe the russians. You know and that you know its a pretty thing that when you get in the media who really refer to the soviet lately in afghanis well they got out there night years United States has been that night let me get. Your louis short break and after that short break well get your discussion on some real news day with our. You cannot be both with the yeah youre right. Welcome back across town where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing some real. Well the markets let me go back to you in london i find it really quite interesting over the last few days we have a new super pac. Getting into play with the president ial election for 43. 00 alumni for bikes and theyre all republicans and theyre bush era republicans now joining the fray in support of joe biden which of course tells us is that they they want to like i said in the 1st part of the program they want to go back to business as usual empire is usual as i pointed out 3 election cycles in a row b. Electorate voted against these wars against interventionism but now they want to find this new bipartisan consensus to go back the way it was it and you know i want to point out here trump really is only with bain so he hasnt really changed that there. American Foreign Policy around the world and i find that to be. Quite disappointing because there are a lot of people that were interested in his campaign precisely because he questioned the cold war orthodoxy go ahead mark well hes a never in my lifetime have i searched such a personalized attack on a candidate in america going into an american a president ial election it really is quite astonishing and the same time it really demonstrates that the real powers that be in america are undermining american democracy in fact i was actually used the word they are some of the hurt in american democracy because i dont know trump was listen to late unless its into fastens and 16 we cannot however say exactly the same about George Bush Jr into france and because there are many many folks in irregularities regarding his fair trade our job was legitimately elected and yet in the last 4 years we have seen the liberal elements predominantly but also the conservative elements do that are most to try and bring down the trunk administration now i am no friends awestruck and i believe that whoever is in the white house is not going to make fundamental changes in america be it domestically and also in terms of american Foreign Policy. I respect the fact that he won that election and was i absolutely loath pizza is the science of those in the american astonishment who are not just secretly a tendency to undermine him and bring him down or theyre doing it him claim that fear of not just. Im popular but it will be. Sad it is an issue that must be address the American People that they are all enemies we are seeing america who have no regard for who will watch the American People all they want to say is america has a baby with this city. And this is an intolerable situation if you dont get saved answers one phrase but it was the adults in the room that was the one that was always used york you know because of the adults they got is all into so much trouble in the birthplace of these adults ok and of course i mean we look i mean its been chronicled here at trump every 6 months wondering whats going on in afghanistan why are we here and of course theyre piling up all of these reasons lying to him. As they deep state has historically done with president s i mean barack obama he does. Ok just to me and say well ok whatever you guys want to do you know he he advocated his responsibility in at the meeting his promise as an antiwar candidate when he was elected in the 1st place and you know marcus brings up such a want here is because were constantly told in broad daylight with megaphones that well take care of for him told us the its none of your business were the adults in the room we know what were doing well the about you particularly since the end of the cold war youve shown to be no exact look they dont know what theyre doing and they go from one and cast me after another and ill say it for the 3rd time a list record is that the American People through 3 different president ial cycles said they dont want any war this is a breakdown of democracy go ahead george is a complete breakdown of democracy and thats exactly this is the adults in the room so lets see weve got the afghanistan and iraq that bottles its already a couple of decades that the United States. Still involved. We have the libya the horrific civil war taking place also as a result of these adults in the wrong the devastation in syria thanks again adults in the room and well what are the adults now say which is we have to stay there forever and ever when you ask these adults whats the rationale why donors well then they have to start thinking well lets see how are we going to help the kurds thats if were going to help the kurds yes why do we have to. Get back to you know now. All we have to prevent assad from consolidating his regime so lets just you know destroy this country just in order to prevent a legitimate government resorting its all started no matter how much suffering mean flick. And then think its safe same with libya you know whether the little it in the the the mess that this is created the flow of refugees into europe and so on weve got to maintain this you know presence there so these adults in the wrong on absolutely devastating and but they get this wonderful Media Coverage because theyre their cows a lot of people who write these stories but going back to this bush crowd this these people who are part of the super pac i mean theyre fantasizing that theyre going to come back in 4 years time under mickey haley or marco rubio or maybe even jeb bush will be resuscitated they are delusional it isnt going to happen i mean the democrats are playing for keeps they do win this election with biden this is the end they are going to change their electorate 1st order of business will be comprehensive Immigration Reform and thats going to dramatically change the electress or 203040 1000000 or one who knows how many illegals there are in the United States will be added to the electoral roll and. Then republicans can say goodbye to texas florida to arizona and there is no way or but theyre going to come back in a generation to generation so its a fantasy world that somehow republicans will be back in 2024 in many markets let me read you their Mission Statements quite interesting here tonight in mobilize a community of historical historically Republican Voters who are dismayed and disappointed by the damage done by our nation done to our nation but these are the same these are the people that have done damage to the nation many i dont you know we on this program the 3 of us we often kind of dissected drums or impose the enough for people that are really into it like ourselves i mean stepping back quite broadly trying to send very little impact on the thrust of american Foreign Policy hes been able to do some things on the margin and not actually very well i mean i find it really quite astounding is that even tinkering on the margins is considered you know you have to be driven out of the church because you know you somehow have short circuited the purpose and drive in the economics and Business Model behind him. Oh hes a last sane until you just resume the ranges between reader bio and tedious drivel it really is absolutely laughable but what it demonstrates is suffering i said earlier on in day in this program that people are able to make the manner of the most out ladyships statement the most ridiculous statements the most cruel posterous all statements and yet they know because we just standards have collapsed have eroded even for example america is going to be no more scrutiny or theyre saying they know journalists are not going to stand up in a press conference and ask them penetrating questions so that really is are very very serious serious assessed which has developed not just in america pizza equally true in britain and also reinforces that it doesnt really matter whos in the white house and indeed the bidens of this was just from people what we had an american we have in britain is a permanent unseen government and they are the ones who determine the fundamentals in america and in britain and when it comes so aaron Foreign Policy and british policy and this is absolutely fanciful statements all adults in the who well lets examine this this editor bill clinton because hes overseeing one of the adults in the room this is a man who said he sat in the oval office and prayed to god he asked god did cause shy attacks. Yes automatic yes if as hack. We have jewish bush jr who lessee absolutely franken in no way am i being condescending to the man who was and remains. Leiserowitz and yes these are family adults in the room well he just demonstrates stacy why the well is since perilous conditions are tired when you have just such a man in the white house right now and you know that george just imagine. A trunk im sorry by presidency i mean im sure biden will be treated with kid gloves like he is now as a candidate the way barack obama whats ok never ask him a hard question and never put never but a challenge authority all right i mean i have no problem with people challenging Donald Trumps of already i just wish they would do it enough and they act based worlds ok instead of their fantasy world that they live in and its only getting worse and i think one of the things that one of the lasting damage that we will see through all of this is that the media has just discredited itself so much is that and i think thats one of the reasons particularly in the United States why there is so much anger and rage because nobody knows what to believe anymore its just one big propaganda show from beginning to end and i think most people they look at their everyday lives and theyre trying to understand why that what why these things happening to me because you know they see these people you know you know you know you social distancing you know you get away you know stay home you know and then youre all protest will go right out i mean that is so glaring for people is that you know what is it which one is it and are you telling the truth and youre probably not telling the truth because you have your own agenda and it has nothing to do with the people who had george bush yes thats it the media have an agenda and what media a supposed to be doing which is to create and forms public to provide the public with information about what government is doing and who what how what governors is about it said they are probably gand this for one side. Of the debate and so whatever he is the Democratic Party talking point of the way the media spread it and suddenly what is the media story like what is trying to do or why isnt wrong they basing out the bullshit and you know what is this or that doesnt move our viewers think that theyre getting a semblance of truth and logic on this program thats all the time we have many thanks my guest in london budapest and takes your viewers are watching us in our remember us. We go to work you straight home. Join me every thursday on the alex simon show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of Politics School this list im showbusiness ill see that. Some rumors assume resumes he didnt search hes going to be named chris no founder. Member you. Know him and those he just came stuff over uploaded to get in your show that oh. Im talking about is a very international community. Meeting yesterday and the trip were going to to. 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