Ross talking this and more im joined by my guest Marcus Papadopoulos in london is the editor of politics 1st magazine and in budapest we have George Samuel he is author of bombs for peace natos humanitarian war on yugoslavia our gentleman crossed up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate ok lets 1st go to budapest ga i dont know what interation of russia gate were in right now but again we have a hoax that is evidence free anonymous source the media ran with it of course the political opposition the United States democrats they ran with it. And its lots but i suppose most people that heard that conspiracy the version of that Conspiracy Theory believes its true this is turning into a pattern i must say george yes yes the right be that it is a pattern we have the same cost of care. Anonymous intelligence officials we have the democratic. And we have the media and the pattern is exactly the same which is we have a story arise with no evidence. No documentary evidence no one speaking on the red core. And a story that flies in the face of common sense such as you know why would the taliban want to kill americans when americans are withdrawing from afghanistan. Why would the russians want to kill americans when the United States is doing what russia wants it to do which is to withdraw from afghanistan. And you know this common sense notions fly out of the window and instead were onto the road of thats due to be stupid media story of what did the president know and when did he know it so the media assumes something is true and from going from if its true what does this mean about relations with both at the same yes yes it is true and whats going to do about it what is he going to do with putin so its exactly the same the same crap was before. And the consequences are already apparent because we now have the house of representatives that is tabling an amendment to the National Defense authorization act essentially preventing any u. S. Withdrawal from afghanistan unless the Us Government can prove the negative which russians are not assassinating americans well how do you to prove that you can prove a negative but thats it the Mission Accomplished no american withdrawal you know mark is also down to what george missing here the taliban in killing americans for a 1000 years ok i mean why would they need the russians to help them out ok when thats what theyve been doing i mean the thing thats really. I could benteke about this in my mind this is akin to just mutiny i dont care how you feel about donald trump this is another mutiny against the elected president of the United States by deep state bureaucracy and it is being egged on by the same usual suspects as George Porter now go ahead mark. Well look what we have seen develop in the ways in the wests over certain periods of time is a situation in which governments loyal groups think tanks and movements are able to make assertions without corroborates in these assertions weve concrete srong evidence indeed they dont even need to back up what they are audio and weve even an ounce of evidence and that is because journalistic standards in the west have all but collapsed indeed let me reword that they have utterly collapsed and russia is a very good case study to exemplify the point there is ever since the american backed coup in ukraine into france and through st last has been athletes in a group who are offensive by western manged remit media but i think that we have to take into consideration that this november there is an american president ial election so in the long term this allegation that russia has. To care what american who saved british soldiers is on the one hand part and parcel of a longer term offensive against russia zemin i said but in this sure there is no doubt in my mind that the emergence of this completely unfounded allegation is and has had the liberal elements in the american establishment to ensure or is trying to ensure that donald trump is not reelected this november so yes on the one hand russia is going to be a long a. Victim of western mainstream asia. I think this feature a story is more out. There to me and i dont think it really moves the needle one way or another i mean russia gate the primary to be the full feature film as it were was a complete flop and the the other iterations ukraine it just doesnt get any traction ok and and this is just one way another way to take a hit the president but george whats really whats more insidious here is it on one level its to deny filling a Campaign Promise ending. And list for us which i have to say all the ones hes inherited have been enhanced ok it was say with the record all right but also it is the indication that the bipartisan consensus about foreign wars is intact and it has the support of the Democratic Party and most importantly the media because the media will not take any moral responsibility for anything anymore theyre just the p. R. Outfit for the democrat for the d. N. C. I mean so on these 2 Different Levels they deny drums up until many of the promise and at the same time is to get back to the good old days of empire the way it used to be the way it should be and with the last 3 president ial elections the majority of people voted against that consensus in washington go ahead. Yes exactly right there was an article the other day in the New York Times written by. Diplomatic correspondent david sanger who has never met a wall that he didnt puff up and propagandize on behalf and the thrust of the odd thing was i didnt trump fighting russia or in libya why isnt he fighting it in ukraine wisely fighting it is syria so the thrust of it is this is the New York Times you that trump should be fighting russia in the dispensary lets add 3 more wars to the already ongoing wars that the United States is engaged in and this is what were getting now with this amendment to leave the National Defense authorization act this is a bipartisan effort this is a list cheney you know of you know her dad you know the great the great cheney with the war on terror list cheney along with the democrats which absolutely determined to sabotage u. S. Withdrawal from afghanistan and we had this when trump trump you know several times floats the idea of withdrawing from syria how is of indignation from the democrats immediate accusations that hes just serving the interests of putin. And you know trump eventually is forced to withdraw notice what the democrats and the media arent indignant about theyre not indignant about the sanctions campaign against iran theyre not indignant about less isolation of a Senior Iranian leader that theyre not indignant about the sanctions campaign and the theft of assets in venezuela so any intervention aggression on the part of the trumpet ministration media is old but likely happy for if its any of these tentative moves to withdraw that causes the absolute arent syrian accusations of book collaboration. You know how much is it because one of the origins of this new hoax is that it. As. A captured prisoners of the taliban making this claim here which of course the Afghan Government what support and the pentagon would support and and the the empire cheerleaders would support because its a gravy train over there everybodys didnt pay and the us taxpayer is name for it ok i mean. The level of. Deceit is just hard to comprehend i mean the amount of money that has been poured into that conflict that has not been resolved they never should have been an invasion in the 1st place if they deal with alqaeda it should have been a Police Operation and that it was not reasoned occupy that country so you know all of the bad actors are in you know are teaming up and all the people that are being demonized have no idea what theyre talking about but the media doesnt tell you that go ahead mark and allegation paisa can only be taken seriously if it is corroborated with concrete answers and this allegation is to be distant mists because not only is there no shown evidence to support it there is not an absolute evidence to support it and i will say people in the american mainstream major and british mainstream so consider a fact a few years ago the venice cia director says publicly that america was considering what killing a russian soldiers in the middle east spirit he referred to russian soldiers in syria but it seems her officer who was a western him an american major and british major. Say so the americans and the british if they want a story about afghanistan are a should consider this firstly how america actress and. I hated the mujahideen which relates a morphed into how ita in killing soviet soldiers soviet soldiers who were being party to. Afghanistan to send the rise of islamic fundamentalism in the region i do also syrians and us sori about afghanistan then what lots of consider running aussie rules on how ever since the americans and the british are right in afghanistan in the fools who found obama. Here production costs us off who are now our ira later closer stories would constitute magnificent magnificently Food Production also and there is evidence massive evidence to prove. George is no more of a i mean theres so many inconvenient truths about afghanistan and not the most important one that mark has pointed out to us is that it was the United States under bush in steve that supported the motion having to kill russian soviet soldiers in afghanistan they know no one has any sense of irony i suppose in washington i had last night hes not not at all. And it was done for no other reason other than to kill russians. And no no consideration at all for what how dangerous these people were i mean you know judges can you perfectly well you know who these people or what fanatics they were. And you know this is a great we just believe the russians. You know and they have you know its a funny thing that when you get in the media who really refer to the soviet lately in afghanis well they got out there 9 years United States has been that night let me get. Your yet lou a short break and after that short break well get your discussion on some real news day with our. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guests of the world of politics or business im show business ill see you then. 54 jets and more than 1300 military personnel are headed to air force base in alaska where is that to say come on ill show you whats the reason for any type of enhanced u. S. Military presence in this area russia. What is it suddenly about the South China Sea that makes it so that it 11000000000 barrels of oil. Take a look at this map who really owns what kind of says no it belongs to us india says no we claim that that belongs to us both of these countries have Nuclear Weapons capabilities there is reason for concern so thats why were going to drill down on this story for you today right here on the news with rick sanchez where you know as we always like to say we do believe by golly its time to do news again. Welcome back across town where all things are considered. To remind you were discussing. The markets let me go back to you in london i find it really quite interesting over the last few days we have a new super. And getting into play with the president ial election for 43. 00 alumni for bikes and theyre all republicans and their bush era republicans now joining the fray in support of joe biden which of course tells us is that they want to like i said in the 1st part of the program that they want to go back to business as usual empire is usual as i pointed out 3 election cycles in a row b. Electorate voted against these wars against interventionism but now they want to find a new bipartisan consensus to go back the way it was it and you know i want to point out here it trump really is only temporary with bain so he hasnt really changed the thrust of American Foreign policy around the world and i find that to be. Quite disappointing because there are a lot of people that were interested in his campaign precisely because he questioned the cold war orthodoxy go ahead mark well never in my lifetime have i served such a personalized attack on a candidacy in america going into an american a president ial election it really is quite astonishing and the same time it really demonstrates that the real powers that be in america on the mind in american democracy in fact i was actually use the word they are thats in american democracy because i dont know trump was listen believe alexis into fastens and 16 we cannot however say exactly the same about George Bush Jr in true france and because there are many folks in the regularities regard in his fair trade our job was severely alexas and yes in the last 4 years we have seen the liberal elements predominantly but also. Conservative elements do that are most such try to bring down the Trump Administration now i am no friends of struggle and i believe whoever is in the white house is not going to make fundamental changes in america be it the message clear and also concerns of American Foreign policy. Iris the fact that he won that election and was i absolutely loved pizza is the science of those in the american astonishment who are not just secretly a tendency to undermine him and bring him down theyre doing it in claiming that fear of not just the American Public but all the entire you know well that is an issue that must be addressed by the American People that there are enemies we are in america who have no regard for the will of the American People all they want to say is america even as they will see this city. And that is an intolerable situation if you dont get it needs to be safe answers one phrase but it was the adults in the room that was the one that was always used york you know to be easily adults they got is all into so much trouble in the birthplace of these adults ok and of course i mean we look i mean its been chronicled here at trump every 6 months wondering whats going on in afghanistan why are we here and of course theyre piling up all of these reasons lying to him as they deep state has historically done with president s i mean barack obama he did. Ok just dont get me and say well ok whatever you guys want to do you know he he advocated his responsibility in at the meeting his promise as an antiwar candidate when he was elected in the 1st place and you know marcus brings of such an one here is because were. Constantly told him broad daylight with megaphones that we will take care of for him told us the its none of your business were the adults in the room we know what were doing well the about you particularly since the end of the cold war youve shown to be know exactly what they dont know what theyre doing and they go from one can cast me after another and ill say it for the 3rd time a list recording is that the American People through 3 different president ial cycles said they dont want it any more this is a breakdown of democracy go ahead george is a complete breakdown of democracy and thats exactly this is the adults in the room so lets see weve got the afghanistan and iraq the bottles thats already a couple of decades that the United States is still involved. We have the libya the horrific civil war taking place also as a result of these adults in the room the devastation in syria thanks again adults in the room and well what are the adults now say which is we have to stay that forever and ever when you ask these adults whats the rationale why dont miss well then they have to start thinking well lets see how are we going to help the kurds thats if were going to help the kurds yes why do we have to. Go back to you know now all we have to prevent assad from consolidating his regime so lets just you know destroy this country just in order to prevent a legitimate government resorting its all started no matter how much suffering mean flick. And then think its safe same with libya you know whether the little it in the the the mess that this is created the flow of refugees into europe and so on weve got to maintain this you know presence there so these adults in the wrong on absolutely devastating and but they get this wonderful Media Coverage because theyre their cows a lot of people who write these stories but going back to this. Proudness these people who are part of the soup or they are fantasizing that theyre going to come back in 4 years time Nikki Haley Marco Rubio or maybe jeb bush will be resuscitated they are delusional it isnt going to happen i mean the democrats are playing for keeps they do win this election with biden. They are going to change their electorate 1st order of business will be comprehensive Immigration Reform and thats going to dramatically change the electricity 20 study 40000000 of them who knows how many illegals there are in the United States will be added to the electoral roll and then republicans can say goodbye to texas florida to arizona and there is no way republicans are going to come back in a generation to generation so its a fantasy world that somehow republicans will be back in 2024 and many of them want to see me read to their Mission Statements quite interesting here tonight in mobilize a community of historical historically Republican Voters who are dismayed and disappointed by the damage done by our nation done to our nation but these are these are the people that have done damage to the nation many i dont you know we on this program the 3 of us we have often kind of dissected drums or imposed the enough for people that are really into it like ourselves i mean stepping back quite broadly trying to send very little impact on the thrust of American Foreign policy hes been able to do some things on the margin and not actually very well i mean i find it really quite astounding is that even tinkering on the margins is considered you know you have to be driven out of the church because you know you somehow have short circuited the purpose and drive in the economics and Business Model behind him. Same answer you just resume that ranges between reader safety bio and tedious drivel it really is absolutely laughable but what it demonstrates is suffering i said earlier on in day in this program that people are able to make the manner of the most out ladyships statement the most ridiculous statements the most cruel posterous all statements and yet they know because we just standards have collapsed have a road it is for example america is going to be no more scrutiny or theyre saying they know journalists are not going to stand up in a press conference and ask them penetrating questions so that really is are very very serious serious assessed which has developed not just in america pizza equally true in britain and it also reinforces that it doesnt really matter whos in the white house and indeed the bidens of this was just from people what we had an american we have in britain is a permanent unseen government and they are the ones who determine the fundamentals in america and in britain and when it comes so aaron Foreign Policy and british policy and this is absolutely fanciful statements all adults in the who well lets examine this statement this editor bill clinton because hes overseeing one of the adults in the room this is a man who said he sat in the oval office and praying to god he asked god did cause shy attacks. Yes automatic yes if as hack. We have jewish bush jr who leslie absolutely frank and in no way am i being condescending and was and remains. Leiserowitz and yes these are kindly adults in the room well he just demonstrates why the well is in perilous condition society where you have just such a man in the white house right now and it is worse than george bush just imagine. A trunk im sorry by presidency i mean im sure biden will be treated with kid gloves like he is now as a candidate the way barack obama whats ok never ask him a hard question im never put never but a challenge authority all right i mean i have no problem with people challenging Donald Trumps of already i just wish that we didnt know any fact based worlds ok instead of their fantasy world that they live in and its only getting worse and i think one of the things that one of the lasting damage that we will see through all of this is that the media has just discredited itself so much is that and i think thats one of the reasons particularly in the United States why there is so much anger and rage because nobody knows what to believe anymore its just one big propaganda show from beginning to end and i think most people they look at their everyday lives and theyre trying to understand why that what why these things happening to me because you know they see these people you know you know you know you social distancing you know you get away you know stay home you know and then youre all protest will go right out i mean that is so glaring for people is that you know what is it which one is it and are you telling the truth and youre probably not telling the truth because you have your own agenda and it has nothing to do with the people who had george bush yes thats it the media have an agenda and what media a supposed to be doing which is to create and forms public to provide the public with information about what government is doing and who what how what governors is about it said they probably gand this for one side. All the debate and so whatever is the democratic talking point of the day the media spread it and suddenly what is the media story like what is trying to do about why isnt drug they face you know and you know what is this or that doesnt but i hope our viewers think that theyre giving us a blitz of truth and logic on this program thats all the time we have many thanks my guest in london budapest and thanks your viewers for watching us here are you seen x. Number of. Time after time corporations repeat the same mantra sustainability its very important to accelerate the transition to sustainable transport sustainability explainable amana more equitable and sustainable well. They claim their production is completely harmless. It. Companies want us to feel good about buying their products while the damage is being done far away and this is Something Else this must keep going to mean and i mean look. 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